Overview of JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

This review presents a JUPITER-9 2/85 lens manufactured by LZOS (Lytkarinsky Optical Glass Plant, Lytkarino) with M42 mounting thread and serial number 8510041, most likely manufactured in 1985.

Below shown list of major versions of JUPITER / JUPITER-9:

  1. JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC. In the case for the Kiev-10/15 cameras, the Arsenal plant (Kiev), the Kiev-Avtomat mount
  2. JUPITER-9 1: 2 F = 8.5cm. In a white case, Krasnogorsk, mount Contact-Kiev
  3. JUPITER-9 1: 2 F = 8.5cm P. In the white building, Arsenal building (Kiev), Contact-Kiev bayonet mount
  4. Jupiter-9 1: 2 F = 8,5cm P... In a white case, KMZ, M39 for Zenit cameras
  5. JUPITER-9 2/85. In a white case, Lytkarinsky, M39 for Zenit cameras
  6. In the black case of the old type, Lytkarinsky, M42 (no review yet)
  7. JUPITER-9 2 / 85. In a black case of a new type, Lytkarinsky, M42
  8. MC JUPITER-9 2/85. In a black case of a new type, Lytkarinsky, with 'MS', M42
JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

Before the release of 'black' lenses, such as the one shown in this review, Lytkarino released white model Jupiter-9 2/85.

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

The optical layout of the JUPITER-9 2/85 was copied from Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 2/85. Of course, Zonnar himself has much better optical performance than his twin brother.

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

JUPITER-9 2/85 is soundly assembled - all made of metal and glass. The focus ring rotates smoothly. During focusing, the front lens does not rotate, and the frame of the body moves forward. The focus ring rotates 270 degrees (!). During focusing, the entire lens unit moves. The minimum focusing distance is 80 cm. The maximum ratio for macro photography is 1: 7.3. The lens can use standard 49mm filters.

The lens has an installation ring and aperture preset ring. The setting ring can take one of the following fixed values: F / 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6, 8, 11, 16. The preset ring rotates smoothly and with this you can set any value of the number F. There is also a DOF scale for the same values ​​of the number F as on the aperture setting ring. It is very nice that the diaphragm consists of as many as 15 petals. And it is a pity that the petals are metallic, reflecting light.

The native cover simply fits snugly to the frame of the case and can easily be lost.

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

On the open aperture, the lens does not have any sharpness and contrast, which can be skillfully used to create portraits. But still, for ordinary purposes, the sharpness of the lens is clearly not enough. Even closing the aperture to F 2.8, the expected sharpness does not come. In fact, loss of contrast and strong software between the f / 2.0-2.8 apertures, mostly black Lytkarin lenses, such as in this review, suffer. White brothers from the Krasnogorsk plant can be used with the F / 2.0 aperture.

It is quite difficult to focus on the JUPITER-9 2/85 on a fully open aperture, and at first the soft effect was taken by me for misses when focusing.

At f / 5.6, the JUPITER-9 2/85 delivers normal sharpness. The lens 'greens' the picture a little.

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

How to use with modern cameras?

Lenses with mounting thread M42 (M42 X 1 / 45.5), such as the lens from this review, are very easy to use on almost any modern digital camera (both SLR and mirrorless), for this it is enough to choose the right adapter (adapter). You do not need to carry out any additional steps to modify the lens.

The cheapest adapters can be found aliexpress.com... There are adapters (adapters) with a chip that provide more convenience during shooting, usually chips are used to confirm focus and / or metering exposure, and form the correct EXIF. The chip does not affect the image quality in any way.

For some SLR cameras (for example, Nikon F) it is necessary to use adapters with a corrective lens, which allows correct focusing at all focusing distances. For any mirrorless camera, such a lens is not needed, and the adapter is a simple decorated hollow metal tube with an appropriate mount.

For SLR cameras

  1. CANON: For cameras Canon EOS with bayonet mount EF / EF-S need an M42-Canon EOS adapter, such an adapter with a chip can be found herewithout chip here.
  2. NIKON: For cameras Nikon DX / FXas well as for cameras Fujifilm и Kodak with a Nikon F mount, you need an M42-Nikon F adapter, you can buy such an adapter without a lens and a chip here, with a lens without a chip herewith chip without lens here, with lens and chip here. Why a lens? Why chip?
  3. PENTAX: For cameras Pentax with mount K you need an adapter M42-Pentax K, you can buy such an adapter here.
  4. SONY / MINOLTA: For cameras with a Sony / Minolta A mount, you need the M42-Sony A adapter, you can find such an adapter without a chip at this linkwith a chip at this link.
  5. OLYMPUS / PANASONIC / LEICA: For cameras with a 4/3 bayonet mount (not to be confused with Micro 4/3!) You need an M42-4 / 3 adapter, you can buy such an adapter here.

For mirrorless cameras

  1. SONY: For cameras with an 'E' series mount Sony NEX и Sony Alpha you need an adapter M42-Sony E (aka M42-Sony Nex), you can find it at this link. An autofocus adapter is also available for these cameras. Techart PRO Leica M - Sony E Autofocus Adapterwhich can be found at this link.
  2. OLYMPUS / PANASONIC / KODAK /  XIAOMI: For cameras with a Micro 4/3 bayonet mount (Micro 4: 3), you need the M42-Micro 4/3 adapter, you can find it at this link.
  3. CANON M: For cameras with a bayonet mount Canon EF-M need adapter M42-Canon M, it can be found at this link.
  4. CANON R: For cameras with a bayonet mount Canon r need adapter M42-Canon R, it can be found at this link.
  5. NIKON 1: For cameras Nikon 1 Series need adapter M42-Nikon 1, you can find it at this link.
  6. NIKON Z: For series cameras Nikon Z need adapter M42-Nikon Z, it can be found at this link.
  7. FUJIFILM X: For cameras with mount X need an M42-Fuji X adapter, you can find it at this link.
  8. FUJIFILM GFX: For medium format cameras G-mount need M42-Fuji GFX adapter, you can find it at this link.
  9. SAMSUNG: For cameras with NX mount need adapter M42-Samsung NX, you can find it at this link. For the camera Nx mini adapters do not exist yet.
  10. PENTAX: For cameras with Q mount need an adapter M42-Pentax Q, you can find it at this link.
  11. SIGMA / PANASONIC / LEICA: For cameras with L mount, you need the M42-Leica L adapter, you can find it at this link.
  12. LEICA: For cameras with a Leica M mount need adapter M42-L / M, you can find it at this link.

If you have any questions on compatibility and adapters - ask in the comments (comments do not require any registration at all).

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

Important lens parameters for Jupiter 9

  1. Large maximum aperture F / 2.0 and a focal length of 85 mm make it easy to control the depth of the sharply imaged space.
  2. The lens is quite heavy.
  3. The diaphragm consists of 15 petals and ideal for portraits, gives smooth bokeh. Also, an excellent zonnar scheme for 7 elements in 3 groups helps to create excellent bokeh.
  4. The lens suffers strong spherical aberration on the open aperture.
  5. Compactness - the lens is small, several times smaller than a modern similar autofocus lens Nikon AF-S Nikkor 85mm 1: 1.8G IF SWM.
  6. The lens uses a simple single-layer enlightenment and is very afraid of flare (it feels like there is no enlightenment at all).
JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

Below are photos taken on Nikon D90. In different galleries, photographs are taken with different aperture values. No processing (except resize). To remember the aperture value, you have to do tricks. At 2.0 shoot in RAW, at 2.8 shoot at JPEG L size, at 5.6 JPEG M size.

Aperture Examples 2.0

Aperture Examples 2.8

Aperture Examples 5.6

Full frame examples:

Source files can download from this link (55 photos in the '.ARW' format, 1.280 Mb). The gallery shows 'camera JPEG'. On camera Sony a7 I used the lens with the M42-NEX adapter without any problems.

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS) and Nikon AF-S Nikkor 85mm 1: 1.8G IF SWM

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS) and Nikon AF-S Nikkor 85mm 1: 1.8G IF SWM

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS) and Nikon AF-S Nikkor 85mm 1: 1.8G IF SWM

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS) and Nikon AF-S Nikkor 85mm 1: 1.8G IF SWM

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS) and HELIOS-44-2 2/58 (MMZ)

JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS) and HELIOS-44-2 2/58 (MMZ)

Catalog modern brand lenses 'Zenitar' и 'Helios' can look at this link.

In the comments, you can ask a question on the topic and they will answer you, as well as you can express your opinion or describe your experience. For the selection of photographic equipment, I recommend large catalogs, for example E-Catalog. Many little things for the photo can be found on AliExpress.

Conclusion:

The JUPITER-9 2/85 is a fun lens with strong soft effect at full aperture. From an aperture of f / 2.8, the lens noticeably increases its sharpness. Can serve as an interesting creative lens, in particular for portraits :).

The material was prepared by Arkady Shapoval. My Youtube channeland Radozhiva's group on Facebook и VK.

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Comments: 206, on the topic: Overview of JUPITER-9 2/85 (LZOS)

  • Vladimir

    a successful specimen is apparently a rarity. people write this on specialized forums that one is amazed. and they put a fishing line under the front lens, and file something, but still remain unhappy. I was lucky - I grabbed a black, Lytkarinsky, 87th year. and it's sharp from 2,0! the hood is a must, of course. the subsequent wrapping of contrast in raw - too. but otherwise the lens is fabulous. in conjunction with canon 5d gives the notorious "film" picture and "cinematic" air. I consider it pointless to use it on a crop.
    test different instances, look for yours. it's worth it.

    • Paul

      Why do Jupiters software?
      The answer here: http://www.deep-life.ru/jupiter-9/index.htm under the tag NB.
      I fully agree with the author of the article. Over 2 years, 3 specimens of black Lytkarino MC Jupiter-9 (sic!) 1987, 1989 and 1995 passed through my hands.
      The most successful is the last, already Russian (not Soviet) assembly.
      At Ø2 it has a beautiful (subjectively) software, keeping the passport sharpness. At Ø2,8 the software becomes much smaller, and at Ø4 it disappears completely and the lens becomes “one of the many 85s”, losing its individuality.
      I have a dual attitude to this lens.
      On the one hand, it is morally and technically outdated, and its ergonomics are extremely inconvenient.
      On the other hand, imperfection (or better - a feature) of the optical design gives the picture taken with this lens a unique charm. As a photographer, I just get a kick out of shooting with him!
      The body would be good for him and the diaphragm ring is normal, without pre-installation - he would not have had a price!

      • mAlex

        The link is dead. What's interesting?

  • anonym

    lens jupiter 9 lzos black with a long working length. what was it made for? not homemade!

  • FM

    Receive this object as a gift, almost new, not a single scratch in the factory packaging.
    Quite heavy. As for the optical qualities, a more or less sharp picture appears after 4-5.6 apertures. In my subjective opinion, when compared with helios 44M5, then Jupiter is noticeably inferior in almost everything. Maybe I didn’t use it on a hollow coil ...

  • OsmiusRDBa

    What do you need to

  • Timur

    I have a version of Lytkarino, black, but the case is like that of whites. 1976 year. I look forward to being able to compare with a white and later black fellow

  • Oleg Demyanov

    Now this lens should be taken only if you want to purchase this particular picture characteristic of it. I think the lens is greatly overestimated in the secondary. In other cases, it is better to take the 85th Samyang, you can find them for 10K, but the difference in the picture is just cosmic.

  • Alexey Fot

    I bought this lens for 3500 rubles from a person who makes and repairs lenses (he himself is a photographer), so he put it in the helios body and an adapter for Nikon and made it so that it is very sharp on F2 (with straight hands of course ) -the picture-clean-does not yellow not green.Today I spent the first shooting-everything on the open f2-I am delighted! The lens sees the VOLUME! The picture is magical.I uploaded the photo immediately without processing to my social networks with a post-that I shot on manual optics (by the way, for the first time without having the experience to twist the trick), the networks exploded with likes! Damn, I fell in love with this glass!

    • Rodion

      Proofs about sharpness will be?)

    • Alexander

      Alexey Fot, show me, give me a reference !?

    • Alexander

      Jupiter in Helios Corps? Oh well )))

      • Alexey

        maybe in the case of the fortieth helios ... But you need to look and compare the optical circuits, while it looks like a fairy tale.

        • Rodion

          No, he will fit in 44m)))

  • anonym

    Goodbye. Tell me which one is better to take the lens Jupiter-9 or ms world-24? thanks

    • Rodion

      Frying pan or pan?)

    • B. R. P.

      Both must be taken so that there is no mistake)

  • Andrei

    Maybe someone will come in handy: in practice, I found out for myself that the main reason for the marriage in Yu-9 is a violation of the alignment of lens groups. The attached file shows the result of the fix.

    • Rodion

      Great, how did they fix it?

      • Leonid

        This happens if the lens is not pressed in. The solution is obvious - disassembly and assembly of the lens unit. But this is not the main reason. The main one is the misalignment of the helicoid with the frame.

        • Rodion

          Come on, about the helicoid and the frame - he's not in business at all. There would then be a displacement of a sharp center spot or a blockage of the focal plane.

          • Leonid

            I have three Yu-9s and only one is normally centered, while others, when focusing in the center of the sharpness table with a picking focus, run from one edge to the other. I unscrew the lens unit and put it on a working one - everything is fine, focuses in the center. Yes, another had a lens rattling, I had to disassemble and tighten the ring.

            • Leonid

              And further. I have a Varexon, it washes the left side, but there you can visually see the skew of the lens block from the shank. Regarding the centering of the lenses by twisting - do not be ridiculous, how will you twist them if the block is of a bulk type?

              • Rodion

                Do you have any other options?

              • Leonid

                Rodion, do you need it if you reject the misalignment of the lens unit with the frame from the start?

              • Rodion

                You will explain how the frame, i.e. the focusing mechanism, should affect the sharpness of the lens, for which the lens unit is responsible? Even if the focuser is crooked, sharpness will still be there, even with a skewed focal plane or an off-axis axis.

            • Rodion

              What do your observations have to do with the sharpness in the center of the frame in LZOS U-9, which is usually not there?

              • Leonid

                Are you seriously? On the screen, reproduce the sharpness table and aim at it with an open aperture of 2,0 by the LZOS Yu-9 lens with focus-picking on on your Sony a7s camera from a distance of one and a half meters.

              • Rodion

                I am very serious. Of the many Jupiter-9 LZOS that I had, all were extremely mediocre at f / 2 in the center of the frame, they cannot be compared with the CMZ Yu-9.

            • Rodion

              There are several reviews of LZOS Yu-9 on the site, which clearly demonstrate the mediocre optical quality of this lens in comparison with KMZ / Arsenal Yu-9. None of the lenses rattled lenses, it looks like they all look crisp - like new.

              • Leonid

                I have 2 LZOS Ju-9 lenses from the same batch of 93, heavily used, one normal with centering, and the other in which the lens rattled without centering. When the lens was tucked in, the centering was not restored, and when it was thrown over to a working one, everything was fine. It's the same with the third lens “new” in '91. It turns out that the lens blocks are in order and everything rests against the frame.

              • Leonid

                Read the review and test of the Ju-9 and his (the author's) opinions on quality and sharpness in the first comment. https://www.deep-life.ru/jupiter-9/

              • Rodion

                We have already seen this, the author generally put something under the front lens. And he threw the lenses between the lens blocks. Which unequivocally hints at problems in the lens unit. Also, the replacement of the lens block in the LZOS U9 by the CMZ U9 did not damage the quality of the latter.

              • Leonid

                Everything is correct. He also identified the reason for the software, and then came to the following conclusion: “Recently, I have come to the conclusion that it is the soft Jupiter-9 that is the“ correct ”portrait. According to technical specifications, the resolution of the lens is 30/18 line pairs per mm. My sharp white in the center clearly has more, about 42-45. Because of this, the Gaussian of sharpness has a sharp-peak characteristic. It is very difficult to shoot with the lens. We have to do several takes so that the finest depth of field is in the right place. On less sharp lenses, the Gaussian of sharpness is uniformly stretched. For a portrait photographer, the characteristics of the white copy are flawed.
                And with the ability to "tweak" the picture, the softness of black Jupiters-9 is not so negative. "

              • Rodion

                Eeeemmm whatoooo ??? Now it would be better to justify the assembly and thousands of screwed-up lenses with words from the era of 6 megapixel crops ... I recommend that you believe your eyes more, and not juggle with numbers.

              • B. R. P.

                By the way, Senor Limberg somehow adjusted it to razor sharpness (as he claims). And of course, I sawed in autofocus. Somewhere here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/252399328785950/search/?q=%D1%8E%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80-9

    • Alexander

      Those. was open software, but it became abrupt? Very interesting! I would not mind ridding my copy of this birth sore.

      • Rodion

        As far as I understand, the main sore is the deviation of the lens groups from the optical axis. It seems that the mechanics of the lens unit were done crookedly. Therefore, the correction method, perhaps, is an attempt by rotating the objective lenses to find such a position so that the aberrations on the axis disappear.

    • Dmitriy

      I would also like to know the correction method.

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