This review presents the lens JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC with a rare mount Kiev-Avtomat.
JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC
JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMAT is a lens with a fixed focal length equal to 85 mm and a maximum relative aperture of 1: 2. The Kiev-Avtomat bayonet mount is used only by Soviet SLR cameras KIEV-10, KIEV-11 (prototype), KIEV-15 Tee and KIEV-15 TTL. Usually it is customary to talk about two main models: KIEV-10 and KIEV-15.
The most complete list of lenses with the Kiev-Avtomat mount can be found in the review JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC. There you will find interesting information on lenses of this type.
Below shown list of major versions of JUPITER / JUPITER-9:
- JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC. In the case for the Kiev-10/15 cameras, the Arsenal plant (Kiev), the Kiev-Avtomat mount
- JUPITER-9 1: 2 F = 8.5cm. In a white case, Krasnogorsk, mount Contact-Kiev
- JUPITER-9 1: 2 F = 8.5cm P. In the white building, Arsenal building (Kiev), Contact-Kiev bayonet mount
- Jupiter-9 1: 2 F = 8,5cm P... In a white case, KMZ, M39 for Zenit cameras
- JUPITER-9 2/85. In a white case, Lytkarinsky, M39 for Zenit cameras
- In the black case of the old type, Lytkarinsky, M42 (no review yet)
- JUPITER-9 2 / 85. In a black case of a new type, Lytkarinsky, M42
- MC JUPITER-9 2/85. In a black case of a new type, Lytkarinsky, with 'MS', M42
JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTO while focusing on infinity
JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC is all made of metal and glass. The focusing ring is also metal. Unfortunately, like all AVTOMAT lenses, the JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMAT has a slight backlash in the focusing ring.
The focusing ring rotates with jerks, perhaps I came across a not very successful copy with poor lubrication. But, as practice shows, the AUTOMATIC lenses not good assembly.
During focusing, the front lens does not rotate and the trunk of the lens lengthens. The focus ring rotates 180 degrees. Focusing is performed by moving the entire lens block. The minimum focusing distance is as much as 1.2 meters.
The lens has a focusing distance scale and a DOF scale for F / 5.6, 8, 11, 16, 22. Like all AUTOMAT lenses, JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMAT has no aperture control ring.
The diaphragm can be adjusted using the so-called 'jumper' - a special projection on the side of the bayonet. When used on modern cameras, you have to remove the lens to set the desired aperture value, and even then, by eye. I used the lens on a Sony a7 camera with a homemade adapter. How to make an adapter is shown in the review JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC.
The diameter of the front filter is standard, at 49 mm. Lens cap metal, fits snugly to the frame of the case, but does not have latches, such a cover is very easy to lose.
JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC, maximum trunk length
Unlike Jupiter-9 lenses with other bayonets, JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMAT is deprived of one of the advantages - a diaphragm with a large number of blades. Unfortunately, JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC has only eight aperture blades. The resulting aperture aperture is not quite round, you can see polygons, and even irregular shape (example).
And the worst part is that the aperture blades are 'golden'. It is a pity that they are “golden” only in color, since such petals, made of yellow-golden metal, easily reflect and reflect light (goodbye contrast).
A few more photos of the lens:
JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC, view from the mount
JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC MACHINE with lower case cover
JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC
Petals of a diaphragm of a lens JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC
Petals of a diaphragm of a lens JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC
MIR-1 2.8 / 37 AUTOMATIC and JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC
The lens has a pronounced chemical enlightenment, which gives a terrible yellow-green tint in photographs and when sighted through JVI (see). The shade is almost as vile as that of Jupiter-9 2/85 (M39X1 / 45,2, white, LZOS).
JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC has very weak sharpness at F / 2.0-F / 2.8, similar to unsuccessful versions of Jupiter-9made in Lytkarino. On covered apertures, the lens is expectedly sharp. The image quality of this lens is bad. Of the strengths, only a good drawing remains. JUPITER-9 is considered a good portrait lens, I would use it for black and white portrait shots, but this time I was just too shy to shoot people on this Jupiter.
Source files can download from this link (20 photos in the '.ARW' format, 500 Mb). On camera Sony a7 I used a lens with a makeshift adapter.
Enlightenment of optics on the lens JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC
Catalog modern brand lenses 'Zenitar' и 'Helios' can look at this link.
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JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC disappointed - Poor build quality, poor sharpness at open aperture, terrible yellowgreen shade in the photographs. Perhaps I didn’t have the most successful copy on my review.
Material prepared Arkady Shapoval.
in vain they were ashamed to take pictures of people. and the shade, I think, can be easily corrected during development ...
All these "bring to mind", show in the editor, replace the lubricant, "better than Lytkaren" and other nonsense does not change the fact that the lens is a green beast :). If I need to dance with development, I'd rather take a regular lens and put a green filter on it, which will be really “green”, not yellow-green with a bow :).
And it’s even better to go so easily, buy a Canon EF 85mm f / 1.2L II USM and not spoil your nerves with all kinds of greens, and it’s probably better to live either in Switzerland or, at worst, in mamevouri and not in Ukraine.
Everyone’s wallet is different in thickness and the soul wants beauty in the range of 85mm, on fish without fish and cancer.
It’s not so bad (every Jupiter-9) is hopelessly bad (with respect to what to compare) as you described it.
Don't leave the topic, discuss the lens. Nobody says that they cannot take good shots, but, as indicated in the review, the lens is either really bad from a technical point of view, or I had a bad copy. Instead of meaningless polemics, add good, successful shots here to the discussion - this will be the best advertisement :)
I agree.
As for the lens, I can say that it is not so unique as many people think and often ask about it, it is suitable for those people who simply have it on hand (lying around idle or purchased for a very ridiculous price) and they are able to remake it, or there is someone to give it for a rework (for an adequate price), to think that it is unusual and should not be looked for specifically; on many online flea markets, it will not add up to a reworked price.
Compared (after the alteration) in convenience with other U-9s, it loses in many respects but not so much (as to whom it seems to me it’s not difficult and quite comfortable and tolerable) when you hold in your hands the U-9 of different designs, you understand that the usual u-9 is not much better from the machine, by the difference in apertures (number of petals, their color and convenience) there is no point in arguing the machine loses 100%, in contrast and color reproduction it will be better than the brothers, but again, not significantly, in sharpness (depending on the instance) in general between white and black horo PWM (successful copy), the main advantage is the price, and if it costs twice as much to remake as usual, traditional Yu-9, then it’s just good and you will benefit, but again if it is remade very high quality,
here it seems to be something like this in general terms.
Indeed, the Yu-9 Automatic without alteration can be found at all at a ridiculous price.
it all comes down to it, for a relatively low price it is better to get the u-9 in optical quality than black lens, the aperture of 2,8 gives weakly noticeable nuts, this is practically tolerable, it makes no sense to close it more if it's not a landscape
And that “Jupiters 8” is already over :(
It was said that there are still four kilograms.)
Well, since people demand Yu-8, half a bucket is left :)
Do you have another instance of the Yu-9 Atomat? And then they have a very wide range of quality. I wanted to take it on an alteration, I saw very good reviews about it, now I’ve thought about whether the game is worth the candle.
No, in the bucket with Yu-8 only one Yu-9 was caught :(
Do not be.
The alteration is not fast, and therefore the output will be more expensive than the usual Yu-9.
Sharpness in the open is all a fairy tale. There will be a nut on the covers, but the sharpness will still not be better than budget zooms.
I had a couple of assault rifles and 1 Lytkarin resident and 3 pieces of crane cranes. I made the following conclusion for myself: if there is a free U-9, you can use it, if not, it is better to take the conditional Zapop 85 1,8
There is experience, I have already remade Jupiter-11 Automatic, Mir-1 Automatic and Mir-20 Automatic. So the problems with the alteration are completely solvable. Nuts are also not particularly scary, you are just afraid to run into a "crooked" specimen.
World-20 Automatic I would take for review :)
I would send, but I live in another country ...
Personally, I did not notice any difference with the Mir-20N MC from your review.
Thanks for the info :)
Arkady, many thanks for the review! I wanted to buy such a glass, because there is a familiar craftsman who can remake under Nikon. But now I decided not to change the flea. Since there is a clumsy Latyrkin who, however, sometimes pleases, then why do I need another hemorrhagic.
It is a pity there is no example of how he looks on camera.
Here
Photo, by the way, is mine :)
Yeah, I took with OLH;)
on olsh there is no such
Thank you.
on kenon, my photo
Now it’s clear why such a protection for the Yu-9 :) I saw your rework ads)
My options with iris control:
Jupiter-9 near Nikon http://retrolens.ru/product/yupiter-9-avtomat-85-2-nikon-s-besk-i-upr-diafragmoj-kofr-i-blenda/
My Adapter Kiev-Automatic - M39 for any mirrorless camera on any lens Automatic http://retrolens.ru/product/kiev-avtomat-m39-kiev-automat-l39-adapter-dlya-obektivov-ot-kiev-10-15-na-bajonet-leica-l39/
Yes, there is nothing special to protect, purely experiments, were available from Soviet times
Alexander found an old cache with a Jupiter automatic, not otherwise :)
not even argue over, on a sunny day the contrast on the covered hole drops
TEE is familiar with the monster Kiev-15. Extremely uncomfortable in the hands. All mechanics are in cam gears. A dead-end attempt to create an automaton on an obsolete base.
in repair it is even worse than in the hands
Looking at the photo of the device, reading the reviews, you understand that it is really, extremely uncomfortable in the hands - ergonomics is at zero. On the other hand, you understand how lucky we are all now that we have the opportunity to use much more convenient and functional technology than before. And also, to put on this technique glasses that are older than ourselves, and get good photos. Thanks to Arkady for his efforts and to all visitors to Radozhiva :)
For the review, kanesh, thank you, but it seems that the bucket with optical fossils Jupiter is bottomless.
there are some more in bags such
Waiting for reviews :).
Here is black https://radojuva.com.ua/2015/04/jupiter-12-2-8-35-contax-rf/
Apparently, the lenses from the machines are much worse than ordinary ones, such as cheaper ones.
PS If anyone needs an excellent Jupiter - take from Kiev gave a license plate, white. I have Krasnogorskiy, 59 years old, “P” light-colored. Sharpness is super! Zelentsa is there, but not at all critical. White Helios with 13 petals turns yellow even more, but this is even a little bit. The BB can be easily controlled by camera automatics or, in a difficult case, by means of photoshop. I've never had any problems.
This does not apply to all lenses. Had Jupiter 11 under M42 for contact and for the machine. It has virtually no frying under the automatic machine, and it is several times less for Jupiter 11. The color is quite good. I have not seen a single modification of u37 that would be the optically best automatic.
“In terms of sharpness, the U-11 submachine gun will also be better than the U-37" It's funny, by God! I just can't imagine why in this review they filmed instead of the U-37, except perhaps 100 times.
give the facts, if I affirm the Duc unfoundedly, I can say that my great-grandmother shot Lenin, if it’s better to keep silent than to confirm the words, if there is something to say so, lay it out.
Jupiter37
Jupiter37
the photos are good, I don’t argue, but you need to compare with something, for example, with the same Jupiter-11 machine, I was also sure that the 37th is better not yet compared with the Yu-11 machine, I can also post a bunch of good photos from s-11 and from the same s-37 but, without comparison, this is just a photo and nothing more, and at the moment, Jupiter-9 is being discussed here and somehow it’s not very good to get off the topic.
tales go, which is just the case with automatic machines, some of which are even poured.
for me they are all the same: porridge and yellowness
What is poured?
the term <> means - to rearrange lenses from one lens unit to another,
as a rule, the error lies in the manufacture of the lens block frame itself and sometimes in the lenses themselves, and the so-called overloading does not always help, this is not a one-time verified fact.
You are very far from reality, do not confuse Jupiter 9 and Jupiter 11, in automatic Jupiter 11, the diameter of the exit pupil of achromatic gluing is larger than in any other modification. Yu11 lenses cannot normally be put in any other.
I won’t argue about Juliter-11, I didn’t have to rearrange the lenses from one to another, but the ninth one went over and wrote an explanation (to pour) on his Yu-9.
that's it, silver rangefinder Jupiter got soap concrete! so it's all relative
Well, as much has been said - you need to look at the manufacturer, and not at the color of the case. You got Lytkarinsky, apparently.
Well, shoot the black-and-white on it.
Arkady, have you tried the Olympus Pen-F lenses? With Sony NEX mirrorless, for example, a sweet combination is obtained, as if they were developed for this camera. On A7, however, there will be noticeable vignetting, most likely.
Explain what is “sweetness”?
The beauty is that Pen lenses on crop are like Helios 40 on ff. Their drawing is fully disclosed.
it is simply impossible not to raise such a comment immediately, it is simply impossible not to reply, after a short deliberation, only one thought came to mind - the author of the comment above himself understands what he wrote about.
Add examples of an “open” drawing
What's not clear? When using full-frame lenses, the edges are cut off on the crop - part of the lens pattern i.e. This is clearly seen in Helios.
Alexander, if you are especially gifted and still have not caught up - take a look at the behavior of G44 on crop and ff. Then look at G44 for nex5 and G33 for APS-C for nex5. And you will see the difference in the behavior of glass for ff on crop and glass for APS-C in native format.
The foam glasses are already for the crop - there are no “losses”. See examples for yourself at Nukemall, who dealt with them. I have a DSLR - there will be no examples.
Tell me, please, how to pull out the lens block with Jupiter-9?
Why do you need this ?, except for the automatic rim, you can’t insert it anywhere.
I remade it under Nikon (without an aperture control ring). The picture is very interesting but too soapy. The reason, presumably, is the poor assembly of the lens block. Inner bonding of lenses unceremoniously dangles. It is necessary to disassemble and, at a minimum, fix it.
Understood. To remove and disassemble the lens block, it is necessary to unscrew the front nut with the engraving of the lens name. Slots for gripping with tweezers made a 1.2mm drill.
oddly enough, but this is a frequent defect of theirs, a defect of assembly, when you first take it in your hands you need to shake it on the sides, if it clinks, it means that the inner back gluing is not twisted, it wakes up a lot of soap, after elimination it becomes quite acceptable.
Very interested in your alteration! I read that for Nikon it is possible to replace the bayonet mount with KP A / N, but how can I put the diaphragm manually? I saw one way, but it looks different from yours and is more resource-intensive.
What exactly interests ?, if under Nikon I usually do under M42 but I plant it deeper than the lens block, under the Nikon segment, it’s so simple more practical, you can use one adapter for everything under M42, I did it several times somehow and immediately to my native adapter.
If anyone is interested, I found a good list of Soviet lenses http://m42-adapter.in.ua/sovetskie-obektivyi-spisok-populyarnoy-optiki/
Please tell me: What adapter is needed for the Canon EOS 40D?
Hello, is Jupiter 9 an automatic machine suitable for the Nikon D3100 camera?
Is there an adapter for the Canon DSLR?
There is no
The adapter is not needed. I made them great friends http://retrolens.ru/product/yupiter-9-avtomat-85-2-nikon-s-besk-i-upr-diafragmoj-kofr-i-blenda/
Thanks for the review, I almost bought such a thing.
I think the yellow-green tint is not on all copies, on mine I do not observe this.
strangely, only good reviews about the machine are written about sharpness on the linsclub.
I didn’t have a silver automatic machine that is valued by a rangefinder expensive! so it turned out to be soap.
but black and sharp machine guns only came across.
I think you just got caught by the bad review
In the distant 1980, I remade it according to Zenit E. I turned a ring with M42 thread and made a manual diaphragm drive - I made a cutout in the body and a neat leash from a duralumin corner. I drilled two 1 mm holes in the ring and inserted the shank of the leash into these holes, sawing it in the form of a fork, with epoxy. I shot it a little. It was bought in a second-hand shop for ridiculous money. Now it lies idle with Zenit