This article is about full-frame mirrorless cameras that support autofocus and interchangeable lenses.
Who is the first - that and the slippers!
SONY:
- October 16 2013 Two full-frame mirrorless cameras were presented at once: Sony a7 и Sony a7r. Sony calls them ILCE (Interchangeable Lens Camera E-mount, E-mount camera with interchangeable lenses). These two models are rightfully considered the first classic full-frame autofocus mirrorless cameras, EVI and interchangeable optics. Further to the line 'a7 x', 'a7R x' added ruler 'a7S x', 'a7с', 'a9 x' and 'a1 x'. Separately, it is worth highlighting Sony FX3, for video filming. Bayoneto Sony FE, which is used in Sony full-frame mirrorless cameras, was built on the basis of Sony E mount, which was used in cropped Sony mirrorless cameras. Lenses Sony E и Sony FE fully compatible between all cameras (depending on sensor size).
LEICA:
- October 20 2015 a full-frame mirrorless camera came out Leica SL (Type 601), the first full-frame camera with Leica L mount. This is the same mount that the alliance from Leica, Panasonic и Sigma for their future mirrorless cameras (older rangefinder cameras from Leica, like the Leica M9, are mentioned below). Bayonet Leica l is a full-frame variant/development of an older LEICA T (aka LEICA TL), which was used for cropped mirrorless cameras Leica BILLION, Leica tl, Leica TL2 и Leica CL. Most likely the development of a cropped line LEICA T (aka LEICA TL) will not continue. Lenses LEICA T (aka LEICA TL) и Leica l fully compatible between all cameras (depending on sensor size).
NIKON:
- August 23 2018 Two full-frame mirrorless cameras were presented at once: Nikon Z7 и Nikon Z6. Cameras began to use a completely new bayonet mount Nikon Z. I'm interested in the question: is the model really Nikon Z7 imitates the name Sony a7? In October 2019, this mount acquired cropped models: Nikon z50, Nikon Z fc, Nikon z30. Lenses Nikon Z for Nikon Z FX full-frame cameras и for cropped Nikon Z DX cameras fully compatible between all cameras (depending on sensor size).
CANON:
- 5 September 2018 camera appeared Canon EOS R and a little later, February 13 2019 of the year - Canon EOS RP. Cameras began to use a completely new bayonet mount Canon RF. In May 2022, this mount acquired cropped models: Canon EOS-R7, Canon EOS-R10, Canon EOS-R50. Lenses for cropped cameras are marked RF-S and are fully compatible with full-frame cameras (including sensor size).
PANASONIC:
- February 1 2019 two full-frame mirrorless cameras were introduced at once Panasonic Lumix S1 и Panasonic Lumix S1R. A little later PAnasonic Lumix S1H. Bayonet mount Leica l, same as cameras Leica SL и sigma fpthat are part of a common alliance. Camera lines Panasonic with cropped sensor and mount Leica l doesn't exist yet. Before release Panasonic Lumix S1 и Panasonic Lumix S1R Panasonic did not make digital full-frame cameras.
SIGMA:
- 11 2019 June camera development was announced Sigma fp, and on October 10, 2019, the camera was officially presented. Bayonet Leica l, same as cameras Leica SL и Panasonic Lumix S1that are part of a common alliance. Camera lines Sigma with cropped sensor and mount Leica l doesn't exist yet. Before release Sigma fp Sigma did not make digital full-frame cameras.
For 2013, Sony's first mirrorless full-frame system was young and attracted mostly enthusiasts. The cameras did not have a built-in image stabilizer, a large fleet of mirrorless optics, and the feasibility of switching to these mirrorless ones was a big question. But over time, mirrorless full-frame systems have become a serious competitor to their DSLR counterparts. In general, the age of SLR cameras is gone and, around 2020, the priority of manufacturers and photographers has finally shifted towards mirrorless systems.
The main reason for switching to full-frame mirrorless cameras
The main reason concerns the method of sighting and the structure of cameras. I have described it in great detail in the section JVI or EVI (an important article that answers the question 'DSLR or mirrorless').
Sensors
Sony itself manufactures sensors for its cameras. It is worth noting that at the same time, Sony creates a huge variety of camcorders/camcorders, including those based on full-frame sensors, such as Sony NEX-VG900 or Sony VENICE MPC-3610. The company has a very long experience in creating full-frame sensors. Behind Sony are developments in the creation of digital full-frame SLR cameras Sony DSLR and digital cameras with a translucent mirror Sony SLT, which, in turn, are based on the achievements of the legendary Konica Minolta.
System Nikon Z in its digital full-frame mirrorless cameras uses sensors manufactured by the same Sony company. For example, in this article (link) There is a detailed table with sensor types. This approach has its pros and cons. The main advantage is the use of advanced developments from Sony. The main disadvantage is the loss of unique characteristics and dependence on Sony.
Sensors in the system cameras Panasonic L - most likely from a third-party manufacturer, nairmer, you can hear the opinion that it could be Towerjazz. There are rumors that, for example, Panasonic Lumix S1R the sensor from Leica Q2 is used. Close connection Panasonic with Leica adds points to the system Panasonic L. Reliable sensor data Panasonic L little, however, is known that before the release of the cameras of the system Panasonic L the company had no experience in manufacturing its own full-frame sensors. First cameras S1, S1R, S1H, S5, BS1H on their sensors they did not have hybrid focus sensors, which the vast majority of cameras of other similar systems had. Only available in 2023 models S5II и S5II x sensors have acquired this very useful feature.
Sensors for system cameras Canon r made directly by Canon. It is worth noting that Canon also creates a huge variety of camcorders/camcorders, including those based on full-frame sensors, for example, for the Canon ME20F-SH. The company has vast experience in the field of creating sensors. It was Canon that became the first company to launch the first successful digital full frame in the face Canon EOS 1DS. For your system cameras Canon r uses DUAL PIXEL technology, which has significantly improved the quality of focusing since 2013 and is a characteristic feature of the system's sensors Canon r.
Leica stands separately. Which, in fact, is 9 September 2009 (09-09-09!) introduced the first full-frame 'mirrorless' camera, the Leica M9. But the Leica M9 was a rangefinder camera (no Live View or autofocus) and doesn't fit the role of a classic mirrorless camera. Its full-frame CCD sensor for the Leica M9 and all its modifications (Leica M9-P, Leica M Monochrom, Leica ME Typ 220, etc.) was designed and built by the legendary Kodak company, which had vast experience in creating sensors, in including full-frame (hello from Kodak Professional DCS PRO 14n). 17 September 2012 The Leica M9 was supplemented with the rangefinder camera Leica M (Typ 240) and its huge variety of modifications), the CMOS sensor of which was developed by CMOSIS and manufactured by STMicroelectronics. Most likely a sensor Leica SL (Type 601) also manufactured by STMicroelectronics. In any case, sensors for system cameras Leica l prone to creating myths about their uniqueness.
Lenses
Since 2013, Sony has built up a large number of lenses, both original and third-party. A very, very strong advantage of the system is the openness of the protocol - this means that the development of lenses by third-party manufacturers is greatly simplified. The possibility of getting a problem in the operation of a third-party lens with the release of a new camera is minimized. To release autofocus full-frame mirrorless lenses with E / FE mount have already joined Sigma, Tamron, tokina, felttrox, Samyang, Zeiss, yongnuo, TTArtisan, Meike, AstrHori etc.
In the case of bayonets Nikon Z и Canon r - the situation is deplorable. Companies prohibit the release of lenses by third-party manufacturers, or the release is limited to a very small variety of them.
In the case of the L mount (an alliance of Leica, Panasonic and Sigma), everything is much more interesting - Sigma produces a huge range of high-quality lenses for this mount.
It's important: In this article, I only consider a fleet of mirrorless lenses. I don't like the idea of using old DSLR lenses on a new mirrorless system. Nevertheless, for many “mirror” solutions, there are still no alternatives among “mirrorless” lenses. If we take into account the old fleet of full-frame lenses for SLR cameras, then the systems Nikon Z, Canon r и Sony E have the opportunity to use a huge fleet of various old optics, which work well through the appropriate original adapters. For Nikon Z the situation is slightly worse than for Canon r и Sony E due to compatibility issues. But Leica and Panasonic simply did not release their autofocus full-frame SLR lenses, and therefore there is no way to use their old developments.
All Full Frame Sony E-mount Cameras
- Sony a7 [October 2013]
- Sony a7II [November 2014]
- Sony a7III [February 2018]
- Sony a7IV [October 2021]
- Sony a7r [October 2013]
- Sony a7rII [June 2015]
- Sony a7r III/IIIA [October 2017]
- Sony a7r IV/IVA [July 2019]
- Sony a7rV [October 2022]
- Sony a7s [April 2014]
- Sony a7s II [September 2015]
- Sony a7s III [July 2020]
- Sony a9 [April 2017]
- Sony a9II [October 2019]
- Sony a9III [November 2023]
- Sony a1 [January 2021]
- Sony a7c [September 2020]
- Sony a7cII [August 2023]
- Sony a7cr [August 2023]
- Sony FX3 [February 2021]
- Sony ZV-E1 [March 2023]
All Sony FE Lenses
Fixes:
- Sony FE 14 mm F / 1.8 GM [April 2021]
- Sony FE 20 mm F / 1.8 G [February 2020]
- Sony FE 24 mm F / 1.4 GM [September 2018, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 24 mm F / 2.8 G [March 2021]
- Sony FE 28 mm F / 2.0 [March 2015, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 35 mm F / 1.4 GM [January 2021]
- Sony FE 35 mm F / 1.4 ZA [August 2014]
- Sony FE 35 mm F / 1.8 [July 2019]
- Sony FE 35 mm F / 2.8 ZA [October 2013, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 40 mm F / 2.5 G [March 2021, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 50 mm F / 1.2 GM [March 2021, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 50 mm F / 1.4 ZA [July 2016]
- Sony FE 50 mm F / 1.4 GM [February 2023, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 50 mm F / 1.8 [March 2016, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 50 mm F / 2.8 Macro [August 2016, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 50 mm F / 2.5 G [March 2021, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 55 mm F / 1.8 ZA [October 2013, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 85 mm F / 1.4 GM [February 2016]
- Sony FE 85 mm F / 1.4 GM II [August 2024]
- Sony FE 85 mm F / 1.8 [February 2017, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 90 mm F / 2.8 Macro G OSS [March 2015, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 100 mm F / 2.8 STF GM OSS [February 2017]
- Sony FE 135 mm F / 1.8 GM [February 2019, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 300 mm F / 2.8 GM OSS [November 2023]
- Sony FE 400 mm F / 2.8 GM OSS [June 2018]
- Sony FE 600 mm F / 4 GM OSS [June 2019]
Zuma:
- Sony FE 12-24mm F / 2.8 GM [July 2020, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 12-24mm F / 4 G [May 2017, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 16-25mm F / 2.8 G [April 2024]
- Sony FE 16-35mm F / 2.8 GM [May 2017, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 16-35mm F / 2.8 GM II [August 2023, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 16-35mm T / 3.1 PZ G C [November 2020]
- Sony FE 16-35mm F / 4 ZA OSS [September 2014, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 16-35mm F / 4 PZ G [March 2022, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 20-70mm F / 4 G [January 2023]
- Sony FE 24-50mm F / 2.8 G [February 2024]
- Sony FE 24-70mm F / 2.8 GM [February 2016, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 24-70mm F / 2.8 GM II [April 2022, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 24-70mm F / 4 ZA OSS [October 2013, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 24-105mm F / 4 G OSS [October 2017, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 24-240mm F / 3.5-6.3 OSS [March 2015, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 28-60mm F / 4-5.6 [September 2020, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 28-70mm F / 3.5-5.6 OSS [October 2013, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 28-135mm F / 4 G PZ OSS [September 2014]
- Sony FE 70-200mm F / 2.8 GM OSS [October 2017]
- Sony FE 70-200mm F / 2.8 GM OSS II [October 2021, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 70-200mm F / 4 G OSS [October 2013, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 70-200mm F / 4 G Macro OSS II [July 2023]
- Sony-FE 70-300mm F / 4.5-5.6 G OSS [March 2016, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
- Sony FE 100-400mm F / 4.5-5.6 GM OSS [April 2017]
- Sony FE 200-600mm F / 5.6-6.3 G OSS [June 2019, and ends with his sculpture Moments Contained on the square in front of Central Station. Of course it can also be walked the other way around: from Central Station to the Kunsthal.]
Autofocus full-frame lenses for Sony E / FE mount are also available from other manufacturers:
- SIGMA DG A/C/S: 14 / 1.8A, 14/1.4A DN, 15/1.4A DN Fisheye, 17/4C DN, 20 / 1.4A, 20/1.4A DN, 20/2C DN, 24 / 1.4A, 24/1.4A DN, 24/2CDN, 24/3.5C DN, 28 / 1.4A, 35/2C DN, 35 / 1.4A, 35/1.4A DN, 35/1.2A DN, 40 / 1.4A, 45/2.8C DN, 50/2C DN, 50 / 1.4A, 50/1.4A DN, 50/1.2A DN, 65/2C DN, 70 / 2.8A, 85 / 1.4A, 85/1.4A DN, 90/2.8C DN, 105 / 1.4A, 105/2.8A DN, 135 / 1.8A, 500/5.6S DN + 14-24/2.8A DN, 16-28/2.8C DN, 24-70/2.8A DN, 28-45/1.8A DN, 28-70/2.8C DN, 70-200/2.8S DN, 100-400/5-6.3CDN, 150-600/5-6.3S DN, 60-600/4.5-6.3S DN (A-ART, C - CONTEMPORARY, S-SPORT)
- Samyang: 14/2.8, 18/2.8, 21/3.5, 24/2.8, 24/1.8, 28/3.5, 32/2.8, 35/2.8, 35/1.8, 35/1.4, 35 / 1.4 II, 45/1.8, 50/1.4, 50 / 1.4 II, 75/1.8, 85/1.4, 85 / 1.4 II, 135/1.8 + TBU, 35-150/2-2.8 + V-AF range
- Tamron: 20/2.8, 24/2.8, 35/2.8, 90/2.8 + TBU, TBU, TBU, TBU, 28-75/2.8G2, 28-200/2.8-5.6, 28-300/4-7.1, 35-150/2-2.8, 50-300/4.5-6.3, 50-400/4.5-6.3, TBU, 70-180/2.8G2, 70-300/4.5-6.3, 150-600/5-6.7
- felttrox: 16/1.8, 20/2.8, 24/1.8, 28/1.8, 28/4.5, 35/1.8, 40/2.5, 50/1.8, 85/1.8, 85 / 1.8 II
- Zeiss batis: 18/2.8, 25/2, 40/2, 85/1.8, 135/2.8
- yongnuo: 35/2, 50/1.8, 85/1.8, 85 / 1.8 II
- tokina: 20/2, 85/1.8, 100/2.8
- Meike: 35/2, 50/1.8, 85/1.8, 85/1.4
- 7Artisans: 50/1.8, 85/1.8
- TTArtisan: 32/2.8, 75/2
- AstrHori: 85/1.8
- laowa: 10/2.8
- Nikon f (AF, AF-S, AF-P, AF-I) -> Sony E/FE
Full frame Nikon Z mount cameras
- Nikon z5 [July 2020, BHphotovideo | AMAZON]
- Nikon z6 [August 2018, BHphotovideo | AMAZON]
- Nikon z6 ii [October 2020, BHphotovideo | AMAZON]
- Nikon Z6 III [June 2024, BHphotovideo | AMAZON]
- Nikon z7 [August 2018, BHphotovideo | AMAZON]
- Nikon z7 ii [October 2020, BHphotovideo | AMAZON]
- Nikon z8 [May 2023, BHphotovideo | AMAZON]
- Nikon z9 [October 2021, BHphotovideo | AMAZON]
- Nikon Zf [September 2023, BHphotovideo | AMAZON]
List of all 'Nikon Nikkor Z' full-frame lenses for mirrorless cameras with Nikon Z mount
Fixes:
- Nikon Nikkor Z 20 mm 1:1.8 S [February 2020, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 24 mm 1:1.8 S [September 2019, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 26 mm 1:2.8 [January 2023, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 28 mm 1:2.8 [October 2021, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 28 mm 1:2.8 SE [June 2021, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 35 mm 1:1.8 S [August 2018, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 35 mm 1:1.4 [June 2024, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 40 mm 1:2 [September 2021, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 40 mm 1:2 SE [November 2022, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 50 mm 1:1.2 S [September 2020]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 50 mm 1:1.4 [September 2024]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 50 mm 1:1.8 S [August 2018, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 50 mm 1:2.8 MC [June 2021, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 58 mm 1:0.95 S Nod [October 2019, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 85 mm 1:1.2 S [January 2023, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 85 mm 1:1.8 S [July 2019, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 105 mm 1:2.8 S VR MC [June 2021, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 135 mm 1:1.8 S full [September 2023, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 400 mm 1:2.8 S VR TC [January 2022, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 400 mm 1:4.5 S VR [June 2022, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 600 mm 1:4 S VR TC [November 2022, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 600 mm 1:6.3 S VR PF [October 2023, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 800 mm 1:6.3 S VR PF [April 2022, BHphotovideo]
Zuma:
- Nikon Nikkor Z 14-24mm 1:2.8 S [September 2020, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 14-30mm 1:4 S [January 2019, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 17-28mm 1:2.8 [September 2022, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 24-50mm 1: 4-6.3 [July 2020, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 24-70mm 1:4 S [August 2018, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 24-70mm 1:2.8 S [February 2019, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 24-120mm 1:4 S [October 2021, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 24-200mm 1: 4-6.3 VR [February 2020, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 28-75mm 1:2.8 [December 2021, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 28-400mm 1: 4-8 VR [March 2024, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 70-180mm 1:2.8 [June 2023, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 70-200mm 1:2.8 S VR [January 2020, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 100-400mm 1: 4.5-5.6 S VR [October 2021, BHphotovideo]
- Nikon Nikkor Z 180-600mm 1: 5.6-6.3 VR [June 2023, BHphotovideo]
Third party autofocus full-frame lenses for Nikon Z mount
- felttrox: 16/1.8, 20/2.8, 24/1.8, 28/1.8, 35/1.8, 40/2.5, 50/1.8, 85/1.8
- Tamron: 90/2.8, 28-75/2.8G2, 35-150/2-2.8, 50-400/4.5-6.3, 70-300/4.5-6.3, 150-500/5-6.7
- yongnuo: 35/2, 50/1.8, 85/1.8
- Meike: 35/2, 50/1.8, 85/1.8, 85/1.4
- TTArtisan: 32/2.8, 75/2
- 7Artisans: 50/1.8, 85/1.8
- AstrHori: 85/1.8
- laowa: 10/2.8
List of all mirrorless cameras with Canon RF mount
- Canon EOS [September 2018, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon EOS Ra [November 2019, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon EOSRP [February 2019, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon EOS-R1 [July 2024, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon EOS-R3 [April 2021, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon EOS-R5 [July 2020, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon EOS R5C [January 2022, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon EOS R5 Mark II [July 2024, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon EOS-R6 [July 2020, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon EOS R6 MARK II [November 2022, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon EOS-R8 [February 2023, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
An accurate and complete list of all Canon RF lenses:
Fixes:
- Canon Lens RF 5.2 mm F2.8 L DUAL FISHEYE [October 2021, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 16 mm F2.8 STM [September 2021, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 24 mm F1.8 MACRO IS STM [July 2022, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 28 mm F2.8 STM [May 2023, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 35 mm F1.8 MACRO IS STM [September 2018, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 35 mm F1.4 L VCM [June 2024, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 50 mm F1.8 STM [November 2020, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 50 mm F1.2 L USM [September 2018, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 85 mm F1.2 L USM [May 2019, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 85 mm F1.2 L USM DS (DEFOCUS SMOOTHING) [October 2019, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 85 mm F2 MACRO IS STM [July 2020, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 100 mm F2.8 L MACRO IS USM SA CONTROL [April 2021, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 135 mm F1.8 L IS USM [November 2022, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 400 mm F2.8 L IS USM [April 2021, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 600 mm F11 IS STM [July 2020, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 600 mm F4 L IS USM [April 2021, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 800 mm F11 IS STM [July 2020, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 800 mm F5.6 L IS USM [February 2022, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 1200 mm F8 L IS USM [February 2022, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
Zuma:
- Canon Lens RF 10-20mm F4 L IS STM [October 2023, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 14-35mm F4 L IS USM [June 2021, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 15-30mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM [July 2022, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 15-35mm F2.8 L IS USM [August 2019, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 24-50mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM [February 2023, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 24-70mm F2.8 L IS USM [August 2019, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 24-105mm F2.8 L IS USM Z [October 2023, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 24-105mm F4 L IS USM [September 2018, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 24-105mm F4-7.1 IS STM [February 2020, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 24-240mm F4-6.3 IS USM [July 2019, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 28-70mm F2 L USM [September 2018]
- Canon Lens RF 28-70mm F2.8 IS STM [September 2024]
- Canon Lens RF 70-200mm F4 L IS USM [November 2020, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 70-200mm F2.8 L IS USM [October 2019, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 100-300mm F2.8 L IS USM [April 2023, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 100-400mm F5.6-8 IS USM [September 2021, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM [July 2020, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
- Canon Lens RF 200-800mm F6.3-9 IS USM [November 2023, BHphotovideo | ADORAMA]
XNUMXrd Party Autofocus Full Frame Canon RF Mount Lenses
- Samyang: 14/2.8, 85/1.4
- yongnuo: 35 / 2R, 35/2CR, 85 / 1.8R
- TTArtisan: 32/2.8
- felttrox: 85/1.8
- Meike: 85/1.8, 85/1.4
Panasonic full-frame L-mount mirrorless cameras
- Panasonic Lumix S1 [February 2019]
- Panasonic Lumix S1R [February 2019]
- Panasonic Lumix S1H [August 2019]
- Panasonic Lumix S5 [September 2020] + Panasonic Lumix S5D [October 2024]
- Panasonic Lumix S5II [January 2023]
- Panasonic Lumix S5 II x [January 2023]
- Panasonic Lumix BS1H [October 2021]
- Panasonic Lumix S9 [May 2024]
Exact list of Panasonic LUMIX S lenses (Leica L mount)
- Panasonic Lumix S 18 mm 1:1.8 [September 2022]
- Panasonic Lumix S 24 mm 1:1.8 [September 2021]
- Panasonic Lumix S 26 mm 1:8 [May 2024]
- Panasonic Lumix S 35 mm 1:1.8 [November 2021]
- Panasonic Lumix S 50 mm 1:1.4 PRO CBL [February 2019]
- Panasonic Lumix S 50 mm 1:1.8 [June 2021]
- Panasonic Lumix S 85 mm 1:1.8 [November 2020]
- Panasonic Lumix S 100 mm 1:2.8 MACRO [January 2024]
- Panasonic Lumix S 14-28mm 1: 4-5.6 MACRO [January 2023]
- Panasonic Lumix S 16-35mm 1:4 PRO CBL [November 2019]
- Panasonic Lumix S 18-40mm 1: 4.5-6.3 [October 2024]
- Panasonic Lumix S 20-60mm 1: 3.5-5.6 [May 2020]
- Panasonic Lumix S 24-70mm 1:2.8 PRO CBL [August 2019]
- Panasonic Lumix S 24-105mm 1:4 MACRO Ois [February 2019]
- Panasonic Lumix S 28-200mm 1: 4-7.1 MACRO Ois [February 2024]
- Panasonic Lumix S 70-200mm 1:4 PRO CBL Ois [February 2019]
- Panasonic Lumix S 70-200mm 1:2.8 PRO CBL Ois [November 2019]
- Panasonic Lumix S 70-300mm 1: 4.5-5.6 MACRO Ois [February 2021]
- The L mount alliance also includes Leica и Sigma
CBL (Ccertified By Leica), Ois (Optical Istomach Stabilizer), PRO ( PROprofessional), MACRO (macro shooting capability)
Exact list of LEICA SL lenses (Leica L mount)
Full frame cameras with Leica L mount
- Leica SL [October 2015, BHphotovideo]
- Leica SL2 [November 2019, BHphotovideo]
- Leica SL2-S [December 2020, BHphotovideo]
- Leica SL3 [March 2024, BHphotovideo]
Leica SL full-frame autofocus L-mount lenses
- 21 mm: LEICA SUPER-APO-SUMMICRON-SL 1:2/21 ASPH. [October 2023, BHphotovideo]
- 28 mm: LEICA APO-SUMMICRON-SL 1:2/28 ASPH. [February 2021, BHphotovideo]
- 35 mm: LEICA APO-SUMMICRON-SL 1:2/35 ASPH. [February 2019, BHphotovideo]
- 35 mm: LEICA SUMMICRON-SL 1:2/35 ASPH. [February 2023, BHphotovideo]
- 50 mm: LEICA SUMMILUX-SL 1:1.4/50 ASPH. [October 2015, BHphotovideo]
- 50 mm: LEICA APO-SUMMICRON-SL 1:2/50 ASPH. [August 2019, BHphotovideo]
- 50 mm: LEICA SUMMICRON-SL 1:2/50 ASPH. [February 2023, BHphotovideo]
- 75 mm: LEICA APO-SUMMICRON-SL 1:2/75 ASPH. [January 2018, BHphotovideo]
- 90 mm: LEICA APO-SUMMICRON-SL 1:2/90 ASPH. [January 2018, BHphotovideo]
- 14-24mm: LEICA SUPER-VARIO-ELMARIT-SL 1:2.8/14-24 ASPH. [October 2023, BHphotovideo]
- 16-35mm: LEICA SUPER-VARIO-ELMAR-SL 1:3.5-4.5/16-35 ASPH. [April 2018, BHphotovideo]
- 24-70mm: LEICA VARIO-ELMARIT-SL 1:2.8/24-70 ASPH. [May 2021, BHphotovideo]
- 24-90mm: LEICA VARIO-ELMARIT-SL 1:2.8-4/24-90 ASPH. Ois [October 2015, BHphotovideo]
- 70-200mm: LEICA VARIO-ELMARIT-SL 1:2.8/70-200 ASPH. Ois [September 2024]
- 90-280mm: LEICA APO-VARIO-ELMARIT-SL 1:2.8-4/90-280 Ois [March 2016]
- 100-400mm: LEICA VARIO-ELMAR-SL 1:5-6.3/100-400 Ois [March 2023]
The L mount alliance also includes Panasonic и Sigma. More full-frame autofocus lenses for Leica L mount:
- Meike 35 / 2 AF, Meike 50 / 1.8 AF, Meike 85 / 1.8 AF, Meike 85/1.4 AF
- Samyang 35-150/2-2.8 AF
- 7Artisans 85/1.8 AF
Sigma L system (Leica L mount)
Sigma full-frame mirrorless cameras with L mount (Leica L):
- Sigma fp [July 2019]
- Sigma fp L [March 2021]
Making a list of Sigma lenses for the Sigma L mount is quite difficult. Now Sigma produces lenses in three lines: SigmaART, Sigma CONTEMPORARY, Sigma Sport each of which indicates options for the Leica L / Panasonic L / Sigma L mount.
My experience
After the release of combo monsters Nikon Z9 и Canon EOS-R3 I consider full-frame mirrorless cameras to be absolutely accomplished, worthy of an evolutionary replacement for mirrorless solutions. The first combo monster was Olympus OM-D E-M1X and even then it was clear that there was no getting away from the “mirrorless”, even the Micro 4/3 system.
In 2021, I also completely switched to mirrorless systems (most commonly used Sony a7M3, Sony a7R2, Sony a3500, Sony NEX6, Canon RP)..
Сonclusion
Everything is simple. Mirrorless full-frame systems over the years have already managed to gain mass, acquire lenses, technologies and have become a worthy replacement for their DSLR counterparts.
Choosing a mirrorless full-frame system is a very complex one and depends on many factors and preferences of a particular photographer or amateur photographer.
In general terms, I recommend sticking with the system with which the user already has experience. For example, if someone has used a mirror system on a mount for a long time Canon EF/Canon EF-S, or a mirrorless system Canon EF-M, or Canon digital cameras without interchangeable lenses, then you should stop at Canon's full-frame mirrorless system - Canon r.
If such a system / camera is the first in the life of a photographer / amateur photographer, then I recommend looking at the top three “leaders”: Canon R, Sony E, Nikon Z. The cameras of these systems are very widespread and have a huge fan base, which will allow you to quickly explore the possibilities systems and solve current issues in a team of fellow thinkers. But the Leica L, Panasonic L and Sigma L systems are less common and will suit more experienced amateur photographers who know exactly about the nuances and subtleties of a particular system.
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And the Beatles are fake! How do you know? The neighbor sang! ))))
And now we are analyzing the terrible and sad news from the link above.
Firstly, the news is not about the ff bz market, but the ff bz market of JAPAN. I hope the difference is clear?
We read on. The “fall” of the share is due to the fact that the date when Sony was the only one doing ff bz was taken as the starting point, ie. had 100%.
Then 2 bz canon, 2 bz nikon enter the market, which, due to the cessation of sales of d610, d750, 6dmk2, 5dmk4 (in whole or in part), provide a total of 50% of the sales of the new bz ff market, where there are already 4 companies.
In things and in $$$, Sony is fine.
But if you look at the sales of Nikon and Kenon in pieces and $$$ everything is not so rosy there, it is obvious that the new mirrorless ones just take away the shares of their own DSLRs, i.e. pure cannibalism.
For the consumer, such competition is only a plus, you can expect new technologies and low prices.
The BZK has been supplanting for 10 years and cannot supplant the ZK. And because this is not a new technology, but the old one, all compacts work on the same principle, here only the optics are removable.
You write complete garbage without even thinking about the flow of your unconscious.
Bzk ff started in 2013. They, in principle, could not displace the mirrors then because of children's sores and the lack of a good and fast af.
The main problems and testing were completed by 2018, the third generation of bz ff are slick, excellent cameras that brought down the ff DSLR market.
Because of this, both Nikon and Kenon were forced to throw half-baked bz onto the market in order to at least somehow reduce the outflow of customers.
And yes, both kenon and nikon reduce the crop and ff DSLR lines, precisely because they are no longer needed.
and meanwhile, your already licked UPC and have children's sores. Weak battery, shutter lag.
And in general, not everything is so simple. BHC is more convenient for walking and street photos when I took out the camera and took it. For work, they are not so reliable.
He took out the camera without a lens？
The laws of optics have not been canceled.
He took out a camera with some kind of compact fix, for example 35, 50, 85. Size matters there.
M5, albeit a crop, but better than your sonok a6400 +
The most confident and consistent manufacturer of mirrorless cameras and superior lenses is Fujifilm.
Although I am a longtime fan of Nikon (D750) and have a full fleet of optics, I am quietly moving to this system (XT-3).
Benefits - How to take off heavy boots and put on sneakers.
A full frame is not good.
Given how successful the Z series has become, what's the problem with changing into sneakers and keeping the full frame? Modern crop top-level mirrorless cameras are in no way inferior to their full-frame counterparts in terms of price and size.
I will NOT switch to Z due to the lack of an adapter for non-motorized lenses. It is fundamentally.
While he is gone, greedy Nikon goes through the forest.
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I didn't understand the second sentence at all.
Crop bzk are not cheap, but what is cheap now?
Crop BZK will be replaced twice in the near future. Those. these will be cameras for vloggers. Fuji and Sony have such cameras （a6500-a6600）
such an adapter, obviously, will never be. and not at all for technical reasons, although purely technically it is by no means easy to do.
Record updated. Added all (all-all) original lenses for different mirrorless mounts for full-frame cameras. You can clearly see how many lenses Sony has managed to build up while the rest are cool. You can also see how much Sigma helped the Leica-L mount (for Leica, Panasonic, Sigma cameras).
Where in Ukraine can you really buy sigma l-mount lenses? Google didn't help. Besides Panasonic, there are no offers.
Why did they forget the Leica M8, it is the first rangefinder mirrorless camera from Leica, but not the M9 ...
Does the M8 have a full-frame sensor?
Thanks for the informative and interesting article. As you can see, of the major players in the market of full-frame mirrorless cameras, only Fufifilm and Olympus are missing. The first, in addition to APS-C, still has a medium format GFX, but it's too cool and expensive. The second seemed to be stuck in the past with its micro 4: 3, to which the cameras of top smartphones are already breathing in the back. I wonder when they will start moving towards the full frame.
I believe that after the publication Olympus OM-D E-M1X the company made it clear that it’s not about the full frame, nor about the APS-C.
Due to the ingress of water, my d7000 ordered to live a long time, and now I am choosing a new camera. My main interests now are reporting in poor lighting conditions (small concerts in small clubs) and street photography, with an eye to turning my passion for photography into full-fledged earnings, reporting for the most part. I choose between d750 and z6. In the UPC attracts focusing on the eyes, an intra-camera stabilizer and slightly smaller dimensions. Scares off the EVI lag and battery life. I don’t care about the color, if necessary I’ll finish it in the editors.
Of the lenses there are 28-75 2.8, 80-200 2.8, 50 d-versions and a bunch of manual ones for the soul :) I know that only 6-28 will work on z75, well, so I mostly use it. A couple of fixes (wide and long portrait) in any case will be needed sooner or later.
Or is it better not to bathe and take the time-tested d750? How's the z6 focusing on fast-moving people in the dim light? In general, I want to hear opinions from the outside.
If it’s mirrorless, then Sony7m3, at the moment the best in terms of c / c, did not stand near the z6,
Soon the fourth will be released
I don’t want to switch to another system yet. I bought a d750 already.
Are you serious? Look on YouTube for the latest review “Top 10 mirrorless cameras from Toptygin”. A bit tedious, but the reviews are very serious. This is not for you not Kai W, who basically pours water. The Z6 bypasses both the Sony 7m3 and the Canon R. And the Z7, even more so, covers them like a bull. Although they are not the leaders of the TOP 10 either.
A little time passed and it turned out that in a number of characteristics the z6 turned out to be significantly better than the a73, so everything is relative :))
Please tell me what is better?
Than a7!
Where's ff bzk Nikon DF?
DF Is it bzk?
I will continue about Df - there is a review, but it is not in the list of camera reviews.
It is on the list, just in the “Reviews from Radozhiva's readers” section. Not very convenient, by the way. It would be much more convenient if they were in the general list.
Like the announcements. It seems that there are topics with discussions and reviews, but you will find FIGs.
I did not do a text review on DF
Yes you get it. He’s like, but he’s not https://radojuva.com/2016/11/nikon-df-obzor-ot-chitatelya-radozhivy/... You have a lot of topics that you need to use a search engine to find, not a menu. Kick-ass how uncomfortable. The question has been raised more than once, but the answer is one - Google to help. Even in topics, when Df or other devices are mentioned, links lead to the store, and not to the review on this site. Why then such reviews and announcements - in order to be in oblivion or on the second page of Google? Exit the moderator mode and try to surf your own site without a search engine.
No, I never answered "Google for help", there are 2-3 sections where materials are collected throughout the site :)
Added vidosik on this subject.
Sony, Sony…. Tell me, no one cares that their bzk have terrible screens and evi in terms of color rendering, bb and exposure?
It repulses me ... I had a sleepyhead a7 ... I have a second time olympus omd 10 Mk ii. And on the Olympus I can display bb on the screen (although the auto bb is almost perfect) and the exposure does not lie ..
The Nikon Z6 and Z7 cameras and their second re-release are a pitiful resemblance to the UPC. Raw and ancient. They should have been released about 4 years ago.
There was information that the service life of UPC cameras is THREE times less than that of DSLRs of a similar class. The weight is already the same, the price is the same or even higher. Conclusion - in the coffin I saw these UPC. I thought for a long time, changed D5200 to D7500, that's enough for my life.
In general, this is incorrect information. But faith is both terrible and useful.
I'm sorry, I didn't put it that way. Not the service life of the UPC, but the life of the UPC from one battery. Just don't write to me about spare batteries. I have them too, but over the years I realized one thing - you can count on the one standing in the cell. One can only hope for spare ones (I forgot to charge at home, etc., etc.) My chamber is always charged. But what you thought (camera resource) interested me. That's about the shutters https://club.dns-shop.ru/review/t-143-zerkalnyie-kameryi/8503-pro-resurs-i-lag-zatvora-zerkalnyih-kamer-i-bezzerkalok/ I didn't dig further, look for the matrix yourself (I think there is also not everything unambiguously there). Many years ago, after the ingenious apparatus Smena 8M, I dreamed of Zenit, but having twisted Zenit and FED in the store, I chose FED, and did not regret it later. That is, then I ran away from the DSLR. My best shots, it seems to me, were taken by Smena. Everything said above in no way pretends to be an immutable truth, and expresses only my opinion (possibly erroneous).
in 7 years since that article, oh, how much water has flowed under the bridge (from a completely electronic shutter without resource limitation and ending with the appearance of TOP boosters with a declared resource of 400.000), now boosters are the only way of camera building, and it's not all that simple about Akums, I wrote about it here https://radojuva.com/2020/10/milc-evil-dslm-battery-life/
That's right, in terms of batteries, everything strongly depends on the shooting style - from a multiple (smaller) in comparison with DSLRs, to even exceeding the mirror resource (when using an electronic shutter and continuous shooting)
Well, the author seems to have updated it that year. Well, the dog is with her. Take Nikon z50 vs Nikon d7500 compare. While about the crop. The price is exactly the same. Which one would you choose? I'm sure the cost of the Z50 is much lower. And if it would be cheaper, maybe I considered it for purchase. I waited for UPC cameras, hoping that they would be simpler and cheaper with the same characteristics. But alas. However, you are right, the future belongs to them, tk. it is more profitable for the manufacturer to produce the UPC.
An electronic shutter is good, a new super processor or two will handle noise just fine. There is no optical stabilization, we will make an electronic one, it will remove the blur. Further more. Why do we need optical zoom when our new processor can handle digital? As a result, instead of photography, our output is computer graphics and we cease to recognize ourselves on it. What's next? Film!!! They will release a camera analogue of Smena 8m at a frenzied price, development, film is the same. Marketers will glorify all of this, customers wry their noses at the word "digital camera". Take care of your D40, it will never become outdated.
And what did you want to say?
Don't like progress? Well, it doesn't depend on you in any way.
Is it that new mirrorless cameras are expensive? And where did you get the idea that it is certainly cheaper in production? Are you involved in this production? Also, are you not aware that the price of a product does not consist only of spare parts?
Matrix stabilization for all serious mirrorless cameras, none of the serious mirrorless cameras bother with digital zoom. Yes, your general passage is not very clear, including the mention of d40
It's just that you take such photos on D40 that most owners of top-end cameras will never take. It's not a compliment.
This does not change the fact that the new technique is very good :)
I completely agree with you, at one time Smena-8M took gorgeous pictures with me, I don’t know why. Maybe because the used black-and-white films with clear characteristics made me think, experiment with shutter speed-aperture, and the compactness of the device made it possible to grab an interesting frame on the go. Then I bought a Minolta Dinax 1998 in 5, I also had a test device, the quality of the photos was wonderful. It's a pity, a photo master named Beard blurred it during repairs in Riga, the inhabitants of Riga know him, a swindler. I think it's a good buy...
Why in THREE? Not at five, not at seven, not at two, at worst?))
Do you yourself understand the absurdity of this information, or do you just want to believe it unconditionally?
This is some kind of delusional vulgaris. all that comes to mind is the thought of guaranteed obsolescence and failure. yes, that can be done. but only on purpose.
I read some of your articles on mirrorless cameras and I still don't understand why people buy them at all. A mirrorless is a non-mirror for the price of a DSLR. You can understand the manufacturer - he needs to produce and sell. But what about the consumer? If you don't want to bother with interchangeable optics, you can take ultrazoom, but not at the price of a DSLR. And if with a replaceable one - a DSLR. I did not see a single sensible dignity in EVI.
First, you are confusing concepts. Interchangeable lenses are not synonymous with SLR cameras. Secondly, the mirror in the cameras is a vestige from film cameras. Now the technical possibilities allow getting rid of the mirror, while removing separate focusing and exposure metering sensors. Ahead is the global shutter, which will rid the camera of the mechanical shutter. UPC is progress. The quality of the UPC is no longer inferior to the ZK, and in some ways even surpasses it.
Again, I did not see a single weighty argument against DSLRs and behind the UPC. Is it the purpose of life to get rid of the mirror? I don't have it, what's the point. The complexity of the design? This is not my problem, the manufacturer is dealing with it. Focus sensors in DSLRs work faster than in UPC. And UPC eats a lot of energy. In short, you are using the stamps of advertisers, trying to lure him with a bright wrapper.
I am not using any cliches, but speaking from a technical point of view. Basically, for a photographer it doesn't matter what is inside the camera at all. The camera is a tool for him. A photographer uses a tool to create and create art, and he can do it with any tool.
I have not given any arguments for or against. There is no purpose in life to get rid of the mirror. Simply, for a digital camera, this is really an extra element. If you follow your logic, then the electric car should have left a manual transmission, because you so want and you do not have such a goal in life - to get rid of the manual gearbox.
Okay, look.
The first argument is that the metering algorithms are imperfect. On the mirror, sometimes you have to double-check how the frame came out and introduce exposure compensation, making another frame. On the mirrorless, you can see how the frame will come out even BEFORE shooting the first one and enter the necessary correction even before it. Saves time and resource of the mechanical shutter.
The second argument, as mentioned above by Ivan, is the simplification of the design, getting rid of the already unnecessary mechanical elements. It's no secret that any even the most reliable mechanism eventually fails, the mirror lifting unit on the cool d700 DSLR is an example of this. And the shutter itself. On a mirrorless camera, all the functions of these elements were transferred to “unlimited” electronics. In addition, due to the placement of phase focusing sensors directly on the matrix, we got rid of another drawback of DSLRs - back-front focus, because not always in-camera corrections in DSLRs allow it to be solved, and also a bonus is the ability to shoot video with sighting through a peephole.
And thirdly, finally - the ability to play with dimensions. You need a full-size mirrorless camera - please, you need a really compact one with a pancake-fix in your pocket - here you go. And all this, mind you, on one mount.
In addition, fans of manual glasses also got the opportunity to use any manual lenses, even from rangefinder cameras.
Yes, the mirrorless initially had many disadvantages for children - poor autofocus, short battery life, stalled sighting through imperfect evi, but now they are quite successfully leaving them - focusing is just as fast, multi-pixel viewfinders at 240Hz and an ever-increasing battery life.
And the most important thing is that technical progress is inexorable, over time you simply will not be left with a choice :-)
The tiny phase-detection AF sensors on the bzk have nothing to do with the AF system of DSLRs. They simply cannot be compared.
What is the value of DSLRs? The fact that they give a guaranteed result, regardless (relatively) of the shooting conditions.
And when, in a bad light, the bzk suddenly begins to drive a marriage, all its value and all its advantages (still controversial) instantly fly into the pipe.
Perhaps someday the bzk will become just as reliable. Will take a look. In the meantime, bzk remain mainly toys for amateurs.
I should note that even in very poor light, UPCs work very well, and even their focuser sensitivity is much higher than that of the overwhelming majority of professionals. But, I understand, changing something, especially your own idea, is quite difficult. Most photographers are very conservative and do not perceive new things well.
You can't take off ballroom dancing at the BZK. This is unambiguous. Until you shoot, on any camera.
There is the limit of the possibilities of optics and technology.
It is quite possible that this will also be mastered in the future.
I am personally interested in it myself. And yes, if DSLRs simply stop producing, then there will be no other way out.
Bzk are no longer toys for amateurs.
And you can ask - you are so confidently claiming that ballroom dancing cannot be filmed on any mirrorless camera - have you filmed all models?
And on Canon p5, and on Sony A1, and Fuj xt4? Do I understand you correctly?
Please give an example of a UPC model with the same focusing speed as a similar ZK?
Focusing speed is not only about the camera, but also about the lenses. For example, a Sony with their four motors in the lenses and constant tracking of the frame does not feel at all that focusing is there as such, it is instantaneous.
In addition, as a counterexample, I can cite sets of the top-end CZK with slow lenses (even professional ones), where the focusing speed is like a turtle. Subtleties.
I'm talking about a good fast AF ZK. Yes, at least Nikon D7500 with a whale. What is its analogue of the UPC in terms of speed?
Alas - already any, the same last sleepyheads a6500, etc.
The speed of single-shot AF is back in the year 2013 Olympus made it fast purely on contrast AF.
AF tracking - any modern Sony or Canon mirrorless camera with a DualPixel sensor. As an example: an amateur Canon M50 Mark II, wrote a video with a cat at home on a dark whale in telephoto position with f / 6.3. The cat (black) darted from the lighted room into the semi-dark corridor, went a little outside the frame and returned. All this time, the AF frame was unmistakably on it, and when the cat ran out of the frame for a while, then it picked it up on its return.
Or open the Canon 90D review on dpreview - they clearly show how the AF tracking on large, large individual phase sensors can no longer compete with the image sensor.
Canon R5 versus 5D Mark IV - I think the result will also be predictable.
"Canon R5 versus 5D Mark IV - I think the outcome will also be predictable."
Sorry, the price tag is different.
And if you take into account the cost of 24-105 / 4L or RF24-105 / 4L, then it is completely different.
RF glasses are expensive.
Without native RF lens - adapter and EF lens needed.
Starting price 5D4 - 3499 $
Starting price R5 - $ 3899
In general, one field of berries.
You're right:
BUT, this is the price for the US market.
For Europe - the euro.
And then 5DMk4 dropped in price by 1000 rather quickly.
In Russia now - 5DMark4 can be bought from 175.000 rubles.
And R5: from 300 thousand.
But this does not in any way change what I wrote, since we are now living not in 2016, but in 2021. The price tag is still different. And yes, RF glasses are more expensive than EF glasses.
Plus EF has a lot of used and new Tamrons, Sigma.
In section JVI or EVI there is a separate section of the Dignity of EVI. This is exactly what you are asking about. Please see if you can find the answer.
Yes, I read it, thank you - there are no advantages of the BZK, overlapping the advantages of the ZK. And most importantly - the speed of work and volatility.
To deny the merits of the BZK in our time is something not to understand. Even if you don't like it, to write like this “there are no advantages of the UPC” when the facts are clearly indicated is an indicator of some kind of misunderstanding.
About focusing - here is my note https://radojuva.com/2021/01/new-milc-love-real-time-eye-af/
Let's just say, 3-4 years ago, I was also sure that the CPC is the peak of perfection and nothing else is needed. But due to the fact that I do reviews and constantly come across new technology, I must state with full responsibility that bzk in our time can really easily compete with ZK, especially where my professional interests of working as a photographer intersect.
And after the announcement of the Z9, there will be no return to the ZK.
Arkady,
“But due to the fact that I do reviews and constantly encounter new technology, I must state with full responsibility that the bzk in our time can really easily compete with the ZK, especially where my professional interests of working as a photographer intersect.”
We are waiting for your reviews of new BZK: Nikonov, Canon, Fuji.
I'm not saying that the UPC has no advantages at all. The UPC does not have advantages that override the advantages of the ZK, which the UPC does not. At least for the current time.
In general, I assume that the situation will be as follows - despite the long-standing automatic transmission in the car, there are a bunch of models, incl. from top brands, with manual transmission. How the DSG did not cancel the manual transmission of the cars. And Duster has 86% of sales in the Russian Federation - with manual transmission.
Alexey, you are again manipulating concepts, in the same way as previously attributed interchangeable lenses to DSLRs. What does Dusters have to do with it? Is there an electric motor there? The point is that the manual transmission is for internal combustion engines or diesel engines, and in electric vehicles, the engine thrust is electronically controlled. It's the same with cameras. If a mirror is a good solution for film cameras, then for digital cameras it is an atavism.
Once upon a time, the adherents of the film asserted that there was nothing better than the film. But the market decided otherwise
Ivan, quote me my comment and give me a link to it, where I “attributed interchangeable lenses to DSLRs”?
Gearboxes for electric cars are not needed due to the peculiarities of the electric motor, so they were never installed on them. This situation is not comparable with the mirror of a digital gearbox, where it has been successfully used for a long time (unlike a gearbox and an electric motor) and is not an atavism due to, at the moment, the inability of the UPC to reach the level of the gearbox parameters, such as the power consumption and AF speed ...
For example, I believe that there is no fundamental difference in AF speed, even in difficult shooting conditions. By the way, even the 70 Canon 2013D showed wonders because of the DUAL PIXEL, not to mention modern cameras. If you do not like, for example, Sony, about which I mentioned here, then take for a sample Canon, which has DUAL PIXEL and which is an analogue of phase sensors. Only these sensors are now as many as there are pixels.
And there are no problems with power consumption for work, I wrote about this - https://radojuva.com/2020/10/milc-evil-dslm-battery-life/
But as in the case of the film, it will be possible for a very long time to hear about the superiority of the CZK.
“If you don't want to bother with interchangeable optics, you can take ultrazoom, but not at the price of a DSLR. And if with a removable - a DSLR. " This is your phrase. Rangefinder and scale cameras are also available with interchangeable optics.
Electric cars are "lucky" that the electric motor control appeared earlier. And there were technical difficulties with the CZK, which have now been overcome. That is why, at first, the design was based on film cameras.
Arkady is right. A person who does not want to understand is not going to understand anything. Your other thoughts have no desire to comment.
I can only say that this type of people who deny everything new and progressive is quite common. They will find thousands of arguments to support their beliefs. My grandmother has always been against innovation. All her life she was used to lighting a gas stove with a match. When I bought her a piezo lighter, she was hostile. But then for many years I only used it. My father was aggressive towards the cell phone (in the days when they were still push-button), and now he changes iPhones like gloves. And more about cell phones. I know people who, in the days when the cellular was a luxury, said that only idiots use cellular communications, because it causes a cancerous tumor. And then, the same people began to use this everyday accessory with might and main.
And there is also a type of people who scold everything that is not available for them in terms of financial capabilities.
And by the way, what kind of features of electric motors are you talking about? There are only other external control schemes. Remove them and put on the clutch and gearbox. There are no technical obstacles to this.
Ivan, read at least something about the electric motors of electric vehicles yourself. The electric motor effectively operates in a much wider rpm range than the internal combustion engine (which usually turns 1500-3500), while delivering maximum torque at any rpm from the start. It has no idle speed - it can be stopped and started all the time, so it doesn't need a clutch and gearbox. This is its fundamental difference from the internal combustion engine, and it's not about the "control schemes"
What I mean is that it is possible to reduce the torque power from the electric motor and using mechanics, only this is not necessary, because it is superfluous. And the mirror for the CZK was a necessary measure. As well as a mechanical shutter. It is also illogical in digital cameras.
And by electric motor control circuits, I meant a thyristor power regulator or a frequency converter. Not a single unit with an electric motor can do without them.
This phrase became a turning point in my mind as a photography enthusiast who is considering what to exchange my d300 for.
Maybe the reason is that I have been reading Radozhiva for a long time and find not just very useful articles, but articles of an intelligent person, written in an accessible and practical way. Maybe because, unlike other characters in this discussion, it is clearly known who Arkady Shapoval is from his works on this site.
But in any case, I thank all the participants of the thread, since I finally made my choice.
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Arkady, I think that this phrase of yours should appear in the conclusions to this article – it has a lot of meaning for your regular readers.
It looks like a bzk is much cheaper to produce than a DSLR. So they tell us from each iron what ultramodern and technological they are. And what a crap that ancient mirror is. As a result, everyone starts repeating the same thing, nevertheless they say how out of date I will be, like a piece of feces in an ice-hole. No way.
No pro will switch to another new and completely unfamiliar system without obvious and indisputable advantages. Well, I can only talk about reporters, of course.
So it is - the key to successful sales is to make more assortment, all kinds of modifications, variations. The consumer's eyes run wild and he wants to try everything. When it comes to candy in the store, it's one thing. And when for years to produce the same camera, albeit a good one, while your competitors have already changed a dozen, the user gets the impression that this is some kind of backwardness. So they came up with a new system for the user - BZK crop, BZK FF ... A bunch of optics and went to this noise ...
Whereas everything worked and works fine before. It is enough just to follow the development of electronics and install improved sensors, processors ...
How to organize autofocus on the eyes of animals on the ZK?
Modify the ZK of Sony SLT cameras. Although, stop - they are already extinct :). Use Live View
There won't be a pro, an amateur can. Moreover, some buns of the bzk still give, such as advanced autofocus algorithms (for eyes, tails), good exposure metering, a good viewfinder (relative to amateur DSLRs, of course) with an extended and customizable set of parameters in the info line. Without a mirror, it is easier to follow the path of improving the camera software without additional. glands.
Yes, you can do without everything, especially with a mirror profile.
I do not like the weight distribution and battery operation in the BZK.
When a normal 2.8 aperture zoom lens is mounted on the UPC, which is actually a digital rear with an awkward grip.
Have you seen the EOS R with the 28-70 / 2.0?
I am not against the UPC, but what we have now is a trial run on users.
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I didn't like EVI - what I saw is still different from the real shot.
For example shades or colors. There is no 100% match.
Perhaps they will finish it.
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And most importantly - by putting a battery in the One or an analogue from Nikon, I can be sure that it will last for a day or even more. If you have a spare one, then you don't even need to take a steam bath and take off all day in winter. Even if both are unoriginal.
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In the UPC, I like the idea of a matrix stub that can work in conjunction with a lens stub. This compensates for the inconvenience of ergonomics.
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What I don't like about the UPC is that even with a native adapter, not all lenses work normally.
Especially not relatives. And even such a moment - would you risk hanging something heavy by 6kg or more through the adapter on the EOS Rp or R1? Let me remind you that the body of these cameras is made of plastic.
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What's funny is that the lens revolution never happened. In the whales of the BZK some kind of disgrace.
They promised that all lenses would be smaller and lighter. But where are these marketers now?
Shut up and do not disgrace anymore. For fairy tales are one thing, but physics and optics and real life are another.
Now - another marketing tale about the weight and compactness of cameras.
Yes, a mirror of the archaism type, it is not needed. We will put EVI, the percentage is more powerful and more voracious, the battery is less than in the phone. The BZK adherents say, let's hang 40 / 2.8 or Chinese and like jeans or jackets will fit into the pocket of jeans. I have a question - do you have a modern 6-inch tablet phone in this pocket there? Does the pocket pull back? It pulls me off and in general it looks moronic, but I won't carry a jacket or jeans a pound in my pocket. Let the marketers wear.
I have a similar opinion, but I think this is temporary. Nobody stutters about the size and weight, cameras with a normal grip appear. In the end, there will be normal solutions for the pros and the running-in will be completed) In 5-7 years everything should be settled.
... but to make 80-200 2.8 the size of a thimble, the laws of physics will not allow nikokhda :)
If the State Duma in the third reading adopts laws against the laws of physics, it is possible.
Do not need. Large bzk in a magnesium case with a good grip and does not need 80-200 with a thimble
"Big bzk in a magnesium case with a good grip ..."
Then what's the point in the BZK?
They should be of the same type, so that the type must be in
the pocket fit.
The point is in the developed software part. They shouldn't be small. This is Sonev's insanity because of which I was very skeptical about the BZK several years ago. Only cameras with a small sensor can be small - the rest is marketing
Bzk do not have to be small, but they do not have to be big by all means. Let them be different. Anyone who needs a good grip and a bunch of buttons - they will choose one who is small in their pocket (Sonya Nex with 16 / 2.8, for example, quite fits into the pocket of a jacket) - they will take one in their pocket. This is normal. Choice.
Again.
A camera in your pocket is a moronic, non-viable notion of marketers.
What is this nex? This is used.
Of the new small ones, Fuji has.
But they are strange and to them again. NEED a lens.
What is 16 / 2.8? This is a 24mm EGF. It's impractical - humans have horse-like muzzles.
Those. ideally a zoom, well, maybe a girl and a picture and a landscape.
Something like 24-105 / 4L, preferably with a stub. And this is the size and dimensions.
Well that is the pocket version does not roll if you do not go like a gopnik all year round in a tracksuit.
Olympus and Panasonic have cameras for girls and for pockets. Those that are undercrops. But they again need a lens, and if a good zoom and a zoom is again the size.
Well, about the nonviability of the Nexus, this is only your opinion, as well as about the stupidity of the 16mm pancake.
I use them often on trips, for example, a very convenient and compact (!) Bundle.
The opinion that compact cameras “for girls” is already yesterday.
I don't even know, they tried to attribute compactness to the full-frame a7 and a7p, while no one spoke about the pocket, after these cameras the rhetoric about “compactness” disappeared. Personally, I think thoughts about the compactness of the bzk are not consistent. For professional solutions, no one mentions compactness. Can't understand why you cling to it
Nex in the past.
Don't believe me? Ask Sonya.
What happened to Nex? And he is not there.
There is a6500-6600. And they are needed by other people, for other purposes.
Very convenient 24mm focal length ....
For everything, huh?
Throw off a couple of photos to rate.
24mm will definitely not work for everything, I know that. Arkady think too.
Well, stick in the text where I mentioned “for everything”. I try not to shoot people close to him, you shouldn't worry about this. General views - yes.
There are plenty of examples on the net.
Sony went into the premium segment, even the 6100 costs money, but the a6000 is still on sale, and in fact it is not far from the Nex in size. Actually, the entire 6xxx series is quite compact.
Yes, and on one Sony, the light did not converge like a wedge. There is Fuj. Canon with compact light and cheap pancake. Mikra, yes, these are also cameras, oddly enough.
The a6000 series is quite an ideological continuation of the same Nex-7, just the name of the line was changed when switching from NEX to ILCE.
So there is already an R5 with the ergonomics of dimes, and then there will be "ones".
So "ones" have already been declared - a1 and z9
"But to make 80-200 2.8 the size of a thimble the laws of physics will not allow nikokhda"
You are overly categorical.
It is enough to compare what the “laws of physics” were like 1000 years ago and now to assume that in the next thousand years, while maintaining the same rates of development of science and technology, this 80-200 2.8 the size of a thimble may turn out to be such an ordinary thing that it will even be boring talk about this.
By the way, at the moment Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra offers the user 13-240mm f / 2.2-4.9 in a very compact size. The creators of the first cameras, perhaps, also considered the possibility of the existence of such cameras, which are now in smartphones, unscientific fiction.
what nonsense ... ..
one question - what is the size of the matrix for this piece of plastic, eh?
here is the answer.
no one can change the laws of physics.
Joe, you are not from Kemerovo, by any chance?
“Would you venture to hang through an adapter on an EOS Rp or R6 - something heavy weighing 1kg or more? Let me remind you that the body of these cameras is made of plastic. ”
1. Used Canon EF 80-200mm f / 2.8L (1,33 kg) with Canon EOS 200D. The body of this camera is made of polymer materials (you call them “plastic”). No problem.
2. Polymeric materials have long been used to make things that are subjected to high mechanical stress. For example, firearms bodies.
By the way, yes. I prefer to hang a battery pack on large lenses for more convenient weight distribution, but this is just a matter of convenience, and not impossible to hang the same lenses on my wife's 200D. Either a tripod foot is used, or the weight is transferred to the lens rather than the camera. In the end, there are 400 / 5.6, 600/4, 800 / 5.6 - somehow they shoot on them, without fear of breaking the mount.
And also in the template of Nikon lenses Nikon Nikkor Z 50mm 1: 2.8 S MC leads to page 105 / 2.8.
Edrit-bashing, this is a sketch on the fan!
nikon vs canon nervously smoke on the sidelines.
And the best bzk is an iPhone
"... and again the cripples converged in an unstoppable swing with crutches and prostheses!" (With)
Hello, I would be interested to know your opinion on the future of the L mount system. I don’t see the point in dividing this system into any separate companies, but the basis of the camera line is Lumix, of course. Now I own a camera in this series and, in general, I’m happy with everything (I would like raw video, but after Nikon’s victory over RED Raw it will appear in the next or at most one top-end camera in the line). I'm a little short on small lenses (like 28mm f2.8, 40 f2) and now I'm thinking about how much it's worth investing in lenses for this system. The small market share and possible dependence on Sony are confusing (it seems they make sensors). I’m thinking about an alternative in the form of Nikon, its lenses are more interesting, their new cameras are wonderful, but they are also dependent on Sony, but the market share is better than L mount. In fact, I have general sympathy for Lmount, but am a little worried about their future.
And then there is the Olympus system with a huge number of lenses. Well, yes, there is no full frame, so not everyone needs it, just as not everyone uses FF cameras from Nikon, Sony, Fuji... Olik has many wonderful cameras from the OM series to simpler PEN models...