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  1. Dmitriy
    04.07.2019

    Well, I think that a moment with a high price is no longer relevant, lenses for dead systems such as APS are now worth a dime, another thing is that you need to cut, but the game is not worth the candle

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    • Arkady Shapoval
      04.07.2019

      I wrote referring precisely to the release time and the fact that a full-frame 70-300 was cheaper. That is, it is rather strange that light plastic cropped lenses are more expensive than “correct” full-frame lenses. Apparently it was a cunning plan to earn extra money, but in the end it turned out like with Nikon 1.

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    • faehmel
      05.07.2019

      Yes, yes, as you know, true professionals shoot only in large format, and everything else is just self-indulgence. Maybe it's time to come up with some particularly large format?

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      • Novel
        05.07.2019

        Ku-ku! APS - half film format initially. Designed for “household” camera-soap boxes with additional features for fast automatic development. Canon and Nikon went there, releasing both cameras with the usual mounts (for using EF and F lenses with serious technology), and specially created ones with a convenient focal range (20-60, 22-55), but these are full-frame lenses that cover ordinary film and FF sensor. But nothing good came of it, and then the format itself died safely. Film soapboxes turned out to be cheaper, film DSLRs were more convenient, then digital cameras and digital SLR cameras came.

        APS-C and APS-H digital are in a sense named “after” film APS. But they have only the name and (conventionally) size of the photosensitive element in common. So don't get excited about the crop battle, in this case it's not about it.

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  2. zengarden
    04.07.2019

    The case resembled the Soviet plastic Zenitar 2/50

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  3. Lynx
    04.07.2019

    take garbage, cut off part of the garbage, get garbage.
    A great way to get rid of garbage at a flea market!

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    • Arkady Shapoval
      04.07.2019

      Imagine, someone at one time paid for her hard-earned 250 forever green :)

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      • Lynx
        04.07.2019

        Blat!

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  4. anonym
    04.07.2019

    So that's it for ix, thanks

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  5. Onotole
    04.07.2019

    Damn, it’s necessary to manage to come up with such an inconspicuous lens design. Even for the 90s this trash seems to me.

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  6. anonym
    05.07.2019

    I would like to add about the glare. When digital cameras appeared, lens requirements increased due to reflections. The fact is that the sensitive layer of the film is matte, and the coating of the matrix is ​​glass and therefore gives additional reflections. This should always be taken into account when placing “film” lenses on digital cameras.

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  7. Koba
    05.07.2019

    If this was done in the USSR, everyone would start scolding the USSR and not the manufacturing plant, but when the Japanese produce such ugly trash, which is also part of a complete marketing failure in the market (by the way, Nikon repeated such strategic mistakes after producing a dead Nikon system 1 and almost started the production of another guaranteed failure DL system or something like that, but sensing something was wrong during the time), then not a word about Japan, since other successful products cover the failures. By the way, I always wonder why Canon and Nikon always focus on their own lenses not to a point, but to have Back or Front focuses (it should be noted that Canon calibrates its systems better, it has less defects in this matter), but on Olympus and Panasonic systems this is rarely or never? What is this, if not the absence of strict standards in the production and calibration of all products? Or a conscious step in order to earn additional money in service centers. I say this because over 10 years of using Pentax devices I have tried several old autofocus lenses, but nothing like this happened with them, is it really so difficult to do that there are practically no lenses from Canon and Nikon that, without additional adjustment to a specific camera, are not they can get into focus, or they can, but with luck, like in the lottery. I am writing this because literally 2 weeks ago, a Chinese friend of mine bought a Nikon system, all three high-aperture zooms - 14-24, 24-70, 70-200 F2.8, with the Nikon D5 included, and everything was smeared in focus until he didn’t take them to the service center and didn’t pay 450 dollars for adjustment, after which everything was in place and the camera began to give out as if completely different photos, super sharp, focus misses became minimal or negligible, etc. Why can't Nikon do it in his factories? Can someone explain this?

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    • BB
      05.07.2019

      Just Nikonov and Canon are much more in the market (an order of magnitude?). And even if the percentage of cameras with front / back focus at Olympus and Pentax is higher, then the absolute number of users who come across this is much less.

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    • Oleg
      05.07.2019

      There was no autofocus in the USSR, just as there was no genetics and cybernetics. It’s just that the party decided, people don’t need autofocus, just as they don’t need genetics and cybernetics, you can use helios-44 for fifty years in a row and tuck it into holes. And these, through trial and error, eventually occupied their niche, but not all, here Kodak, for example, has gone somewhere. Competition however

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      • Valery A.
        05.07.2019

        It was not the party that decided, but the engineers were "not round in their noses." Now zenitars-helios who does not allow autofocus to do?

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      • Novel
        05.07.2019

        As in that joke - the place is damned.

        Theoretically, you can, of course, but you don’t want to carry the battery pack from their autofocus behind your back?

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    • anonym
      05.07.2019

      Well, you yourself answered your own question: 450 evergreen pink papers do not roll on the road.

      Well, olics and Panasonics are not mirror ones, they have no problem with inaccurate focusing, as they say, by design. For mirrorless cameras, there is only one image that is formed on the matrix and absolutely all camera nodes work with it. In the DSLR, we have as many as 3 different images: what we see in the viewfinder (on frosted glass), what the autofocus sensor sees, and what happens on the sensor. Therefore, to hell with it, you will definitely focus on it if there is even a slight inequality in the distances to the matrix and the used focusing plane (manual or automatic).

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    • Alexander
      05.07.2019

      I agree one hundred percent ... Nikon does everything at random ... I have two bodies and almost a dozen lenses, I had to take everything to the service for adjustment ... And for some reason, the service was very surprised at this, because in their opinion Nikon always has the correct focus setting ... The image on Nikon cameras is taken by Sony matrices - is this the only plus of Nikon? everything else is like everyone else's and it is not at all subject to discussion, the main thing is the matrix ... If the matrix is ​​worthless, as on the Canon, then no strapping will help ... If Nikon made his own matrices, then I think you could not look at him, it would be the same situation as with Canon - the image quality would be useless ... There is a feeling that they (these companies) do it anyhow ... for what ..? Provide work for yourself and your services ...? From the very beginning I had mirror Olympuses and Sony, and then I did not even remember about any adjustment, everything worked correctly ... I just switched to Nikon and off we went ... The area where their service center is located in Moscow I already know as my own five fingers ... In a word, these capitalists have already lifted up with their marketing logos ... And this is not only in photography, this is in any sphere ... Now, more than ever, you understand from what world-class degenerates and grabbers the Soviet Union was protecting us ... Now even many young people understand this who did not live in the Golden Time ...

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      • Vitaly N
        05.07.2019

        I have nothing against the USSR, but even then marriage was enough. Probably even more than now. Tape recorders, TVs that do not crawl out of services ... It is not necessary to make a golden age from the Soviet era. Marriage has always been and will be, regardless of the system and politics.

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      • anonym
        05.07.2019

        The main thing is not only the matrix, but the processing of the information received from it. It's like with OLED TVs. Panasonic does not produce OLED matrices, but buys, if I am not mistaken, from LG. But at the same time, the quality of Panas is a reference, in comparison with the same Skis.

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      • Oleg
        05.07.2019

        And now we take everything together and go to the double-crop

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      • Onotole
        05.07.2019

        Well, stuffing ...

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      • Novel
        05.07.2019

        It is not just fat, it is fat.

        Are you a masochist? Why did you switch to Nikon, the beautiful mirrored Sony is still available.

        Why do not all soviet co-drivers sit on divine Zeniths with divine tyrenny Biotars, but constantly switch to something and suffer unseemly from the damned capitalists, enjoying the process?

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      • anonym
        05.07.2019

        Oooh, what a delicious bacon ... come on again!

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      • Dmitry
        08.07.2022

        Indeed, the USSR carefully protected you from the capitalists, selling you at crazy prices (in relation to the salaries of that time) helios-44 with single-layer enlightenment, jupiters with grease on the petals and metal shavings inside, and zeniths / feds / cues, rooted in the dashing 50s . Do not worry, you will have the opportunity to return to everything domestic.

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    • Alexander
      05.07.2019

      Kick-ass ... The logic is iron ... yes, the capitalists will cheat you a hundred times while someone eats them ... And who will eat them there, if they are all wolves .. And the raven will not peck out a crow's eye ... the capitalists are now engaged in a scam, and not devouring each other through competition ... They had fair competition in the 197s ... And now this is no longer for a long time ... Kakrl Marx very clearly characterized capitalism: "the capitalist will commit any crimes for the sake of superprofits" ... That's all your competition ... capitalists are enemies for people ...

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      • Valery A.
        05.07.2019

        Alexander, well, there is no 100% truth or correct beliefs. And Karl Marx, and after him Lenin, lied like gray geldings in their “works”, and the socialist-communists committed even greater crimes for the “happiness” of certain groups (classes) of society or peoples. And, no matter how sad, as laziness is the engine of progress, so the thirst for profit, the desire to organize a profitable business is also the engine of progress.

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      • Onotole
        05.07.2019

        Well, the socialists never deceived anyone, everything was like garlic. Here is helios, here is the zenith, if you don't want it, don't take it. And no one wore cameras to services, but not because they were so well adjusted from the factory.
        And those you are writing about have the same relation to the discourse about capitalism as a pimple on the nose to the way of breathing.

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      • Onotole
        05.07.2019

        * respiratory organs

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    • anonym
      05.07.2019

      I wanted to clarify about a Chinese friend. He bought this kit new, from an authorized seller or used? The specialists of the service center are absolutely right about the new equipment, all equipment at the factory is calibrated according to quality standards.

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    • Michael
      05.07.2019

      It's about admissions and marriage. Reduce the tolerance by 2 times - the price will increase by 10. Tolerances for all manufacturers + are the same. It's just that you are somehow out of luck. I didn't have such problems with Nikon.

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    • Oleksandr
      06.07.2019

      There is such a thing with focus. Definitely there. As the former owner of Pentax switched to Nikon, I confirm every word! But for this there is a fine tuning of autofocus in the camera menu, which is configured for each lens separately and stored in the camera’s memory. After connecting the appropriate lens, this correction is automatically applied. Thus, once tuned in, you can forever forget about it and always get jewelry with accurate focus. From my own experience I will say that with a fine-tuning tool, I was able to adjust the correction for my 28-105 in such a way that in macro mode, at autofocus, removing the dugout flower, I was able to choose with autofocus which pestle to focus on! If the back- or front-focus of the lens is so large that it cannot be corrected with the built-in camera tools, then such a lens has a direct road back to the store. On return, as defective goods. Why your friend didn’t do it, but ran to repair it for his money, I don’t understand.

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      • Vladimir
        12.07.2019

        what a pity you late reminded them that there is such a wonderful function

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  8. anonym
    06.07.2019

    It is strange that no one had thought of remaking it before. There are a lot of similar lenses on the secondary

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  9. Oleg
    07.07.2019

    “A large cost at one time $ 250 for a new IX-NIKKOR, for example, Nikon AF Nikkor 70-300mm 1: 4-5.6G cost only $ 170" stripped off. There was a lot of full-frame, but not enough crop. And everyone said: wow, you have a crop. Maybe there were more frames in the roll of film and so they tried to compete with soap dishes

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  10. Oleg
    08.07.2019

    “Special devices - APS players allow you to easily view the captured and developed film on a TV screen or computer monitor. If you have such a device, you don't have to print the photos - it is enough to develop the film, but it only costs about $ 1000. They are produced by the same companies as cameras: MINOLTA, CANON, etc. ” It didn't work with the film, but now we definitely print little on digital

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    • anonym
      08.07.2019

      Who is how. I often make prints of the best portrait photographs in photo albums in 15X20 format, as well as on a wall in an A4 format frame for myself and my friend, well, one A1 format poster.

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  11. Tanczura
    08.07.2022

    Once in 2021 I bought it for 1000 rubles, sawed off the tail using a barbaric method, played around and sold it as a plug on the camera.

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  12. Tanczura
    08.07.2022

    And here is a photo)

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