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Navigation
- Briefly about the Blackview A200 Pro smartphone
- Blackview A200 Pro Main Photo Module
- Samsung 108MP ISOCELL HM6 Sensor Properties and Features of Its Work with Blackview A200 Pro
- Other cameras
- ISOCELL Plus Technology
- Nonapixel / Nonacell Technology
- Sample photos of the main module of Blackview A200 Pro
- My experience
- Video review
- Results
- User Comments
- Add your review or question on the lens
Briefly about Blackview A200 Pro
- 6.67-inch AMOLED display with 120 Hz refresh rate and curved edges, 2400 x 1800 pixels (2.4K FHD+ 395 ppi) with Tough CORNING GORILLA GLASS 5 and TÜV SÜD Low Blue eye protection and DC Dimming
- Under-display optical fingerprint scanner
- RAM LPDDR4X 2133 MHz 12GB + storage with UFS 2.2 support 256GB
- MediaTek Helio G99 processor (announced May 2022), 6 nm process technology, 2 Cortex-A76 2.2 GHz cores + 6 Cortex-A55 2.0 GHz cores with heat dissipation system, ARM G57 MC2 video core
- Android 13 with DokeOS 4.0 shell
- 5050 mAh battery with 66W fast charging
- NFC, USB TYPE C (without 3.5mm jack), Wi-Fi 5, BT 5.2
- dual slot for two SIM cards or one SIM card and one microSD flash card (up to 1 TB)
- 196 gram weights
- three body colors to choose from (black, blue, purple)
- announced on July 29, 2023
- the current price is around $210, Blackview recommends using here is this link to Aliexperss
The rest of the parameters can be see on the manufacturer's official website or here.
Main photo module
The main camera is built on a sensor (matrix) Samsung 108MP ISOCELL HM6. The same sensor is used by the model Blackview Hero 10 FlipThe physical size of this sensor is 1 / 1.67 in.. The Samsung 108MP ISOCELL HM6 has a diagonal of 9.58 mm, a width of 7.67 mm, a height of 5.75 mm, and an area of 44 square millimeters, with crop factor Kf = 4.52. The sensor area is 20 times smaller than the classic Full Frame sensor with dimensions of 36 mm x 24 mm. Pixel size 0,64 microns (one of the smallest pixel sizes for 2022-2024).
If a full-frame sensor of a modern full-frame camera were filled with pixels of the same size as the Samsung 108MP ISOCELL HM6, we would get 2115 as an output megapixels! It is easy to count: (36 * 24) / (7,67 * 5,75) * 108 = 2115 (MP).
The maximum size of the photos is 12.000 X 9.000 pixels. More than 10.000 pixels on the long side! Frame proportions 4:3 (not the classic 3:2 found in many digital cameras). The 4:3 aspect ratio is native to the system Micro 4 / 3 and some medium format cameras, such as Hasselblad XCD or Fujifilm GFX.
Optics are used with F/1.89 (F/1.9) and 5.89 mm focal length with a viewing angle of 80 degrees (diagonally). When converted to Full Frame, we get EGF equal to about 27 mm focal length.
Unfortunately, the camera module does not have a built-in optical stabilizer. And also, most likely due to the limited capabilities of the processor, it shoots only 2K (1440p) video at 30 FPS (although the sensor itself can handle 8K 24p). Electronic stabilization in video shooting mode works well (it can be turned off).
Sensor properties and features of its operation with Blackview A200 Pro:
- the sensor was announced in March 2022 of the year. At the time of writing this review, it is the latest 108 MP development from Samsung. The line of 108 MP sensors includes the models: HMX (2019) -> HM1 (2020) -> HM2 (2020) -> HM3 (2021) -> HM6 (2022).
- 108 MP (but there is a nuance - the Nonapixel RGB Bayer pixel pattern is not a classic Bayer one)
- technology NinPixel Plus with pixel binning based on Nonacell
- technology is used ISOCELL 2.0. This is a further development of the ISOCELL PLUS technology described here.
- two signal reading chains to work at High or Low ISO, which helps reduce noise levels
- SMART ISO – automatic selection between working at High or Low ISO
- Multisampling – combining multiple images into one, reducing noise levels and improving overall image quality
- WDR – wide dynamic range, built on the basis of SMART ISO PRO (in Blackview A200 Pro it is called HDR/HDR AUTO)
- SMART ISO PRO – instant stitching of two images taken simultaneously at High and Low ISO
- there is a possibility to shoot video 8K 24p, 4k 120p (but Blackview A200 Pro shoots max 2K 30p due to CPU limitations)
- to focus using phase sensors Super-PD (PDAF) + contrast focusing. The sensor has 12 million phase sensors (every ninth pixel is responsible for focusing), which allow focusing across the entire sensor area. This is four times more phase sensors than in the previous 108 MP sensor from Samsung - ISOCELL HM2.
- reading speed 8 frames per second at 108 MP and 90 fps at 12 MP (Blackview A200 Pro can do about 1 fps at this resolution)
- sensor uses 10-bit ADC
- RAW 8, 10, 12 bit (but original Blackview A200 Pro software does not allow shooting in RAW format)
- Electronic shutter with rolling shutter and global reset
- range ISO 100-3200, but most likely it is for LOW ISO mode. The main camera module of Blackview A200 Pro can use ISO from 100 to 25.600 in automatic modes (most likely 25.600 gives HIGH ISO). In manual exposure control mode, only the range of 100-1600 can be used.
- Minimal excerpt is 1 / 16.000 seconds (but Blackview A200 Pro can use excerpts only from 1/4000 to 1/3 second)
- the average size of a 108MP image is 10-50MB, the largest JPEG file I've seen created was around 50MB (example)
- there is a function of three-fold zoom without loss of quality (due to cropping, Blackview A200 Pro can also use 4X zoom)
- it's important: Blackview A200 Pro does not have optical stabilization on its photo modules
- it's important: With manual settings on Blackview A200 Pro you can only shoot at 12MP resolution (in binning mode)
- it's important: In 108MP mode, Blackview A200 Pro does not support digital zoom
- it's important: Blackview A108 Pro does not support HDR in 200MP mode
- it's important: despite the fact that the aperture is stated to be F/1.9, the real one Exposition matches the lens with aperture (light transmittance) at level T/5.6. When comparing exposure photos taken on Blackview A200 Pro at ISO 100, F/1.9, Exposition corresponds to that of the Sony a7 camera with the parameters 28 mm, ISO 100 and F/5.6. It is difficult to say exactly where the loss occurs exposure – in the actual aperture of the lens (T-stops) or in certain tricks with ISO. During real shooting, it really feels like you are shooting not at F/1.9, but with a “darker lens”.
Other cameras:
- Front camera with a sensor size of 1/3.1 inch, 16 MP, Samsung S5K3P9, pixel size 1 µm
- Macro camera F/2.4, 2 MP
- Wide-angle camera with 1/4-inch sensor size, 8 MP, F/2.4, 117˚ field of view, 1.12 µm pixel size
ISOCELL Plus
ISOCELL (Isolated single Cell) technology was introduced back in 2013 and is still being developed.
ISOCELL has undergone several major upgrades: FSI (frontside-illuminated) -> BSI (backside-illuminated) – > ISOCELL -> ISOCELL PLUS -> ISOCELL 2.0 (used in Blackview A200 Pro).
ISOCELL 2.0, in turn, is based on ISOCELL Plus technology, by additionally replacing the lower part of the color filter barriers with a more reflective material. All the metal that remained in the lower part of the color filter barriers has been replaced with a new material for ISOCELL 2.0. Now, light leakage that occurs near the color filter is minimized. This further reduces optical loss in each pixel and increases light sensitivity, creating a higher-quality image with reduced noise.
Nonapixel / Nonacell
In short, thanks to Nonapixel technology, information from 9 adjacent subpixels (photodiodes) of the same color can be combined (called 'binning'), which ultimately leads to an increase in the physical size of the subpixel, which allows it to absorb more light and produce less noise when shooting in low light. With this combination, you get a 12 MP photo (108/9=12).
The result is a very interesting situation: when there is good lighting, you can get a highly detailed photo using the sensor in 108 MP mode, when there is little light, you can sacrifice resolution, but reduce the noise level by combining subpixels. In addition, 9 subpixels, located in a 3 X 3 square, are covered with one color Bayer filter, which simplifies the production of such a sensor. For 108 MP, only 12 million color filters are needed.
When the sensor with Nonapixel technology works in binning mode, it is not fundamentally different in its mosaic from the Bayer RGB. It's just that 9 subpixels of the same color become one big one, but the pattern of 'large combined subpixels' is completely analogous to the pattern of the classic Bayer RGB. In low light, Nonapixel takes pictures with a resolution of 12 MP, so the pixel size is equal to 1.92 μm.
When the sensor with Nonapixel technology works in the normal mode (without merging), then it is necessary to make a specialized demosaic algorithm. Specific demosaic for restoring the color of the final image is a disadvantage of Nonapixel technology.
Sample photos of the main module of Blackview A200 Pro
Below are examples of photos taken on the main photo module of the Blackview A200 Pro. All photos in this review are shown without processing, according to the principles ZEROJPEG.
I don't know the optical scheme of the Blackview A200 Pro main camera lens, but I must say that it copes well with resolution across the entire frame. Resolution drop at the edges and corners of the image is low. It is also nice that there is a low level of chromatic aberrations, distortion and vignetting (perhaps this is due to the built-in algorithms for suppressing the shortcomings of the optics used).
At high ISO values, noise reduction algorithms aggressively suppress not only noise, but also image detail.
It's important: sometimes the ISO value in the parameters EXIF is indicated incorrectly.
It's important: sometimes meaning excerpts in the parameters EXIF not specified (the reasons are unknown to me, it happens by chance).
Full size original photos can be downloaded or viewed at this link (Gallery on Google Drive cloud). Some of the photos helped me get Anna Anuttara.
In the future, I will supplement the review with other photo examples.
My experience
The Blackview A200 Pro came to me for review completely new, in the factory packaging. The package includes a silicone bumper and a 66-watt fast charger.
Blackview A200 Pro is a nice and inexpensive smartphone, first of all it has a nice display and a nice design. This is the first smartphone with a 100 MP camera that I have ever shot with.
When shooting intensively in the “108 Million” mode (that’s what the 108 MP mode is called), the app may refuse to take the next photo (the shutter button simply stops pressing). In this case, I simply restarted the camera app. Also, when shooting intensively, some photos turn out completely dark (black rectangles). Sometimes the app gives the error “unable to connect to the camera”.
Unfortunately, in the “108 Million” mode you can’t use additional settings, such as HDR, zoom (at least digital), etc. Also, it’s a pity that the main module doesn’t have optical stabilization, while electronic stabilization works well during video shooting.
Switching to the “108 Million” mode is inconvenient, as is switching to the “Macro” mode. You have to scroll through other modes. The “Macro” mode is generally located in the “Additional settings” submenu.
The manual shooting control mode is inconvenient, the virtual selector-wheel for changing the parameters is inconveniently configured, running over the desired value. You can adjust the focusing distance, ISO value, shutter speed and white balance. White balance has only four preset values. It is also a pity that in manual mode you cannot take photos at 108 MP, binning to 12 MP is always used, and you cannot use the HDR function.
I was asked to shoot with a watermark responsible for indicating the smartphone model. But this setting does not work in the “108 Million” mode, and in other modes it often turns off on its own (possibly after a certain number of frames). The application responsible for the photo modules (commonly known as the “camera”) clearly requires improvement.
The large amount of data (due to the large number of megapixels) allows you to process the resulting photos well on a computer. However, it is a pity that there is no option to shoot in RAW format (you need to use third-party applications, which, according to the review conditions, I do not want to use). But even third-party programs for working with the camera module do not allow you to get 108 MP RAW files, but only 12 MP files.
Focusing in the “108 Million” mode on the main module is not bad, but still focusing errors occur, especially when shooting objects at very close distances. But focusing in the video shooting mode is beyond praise. Most likely, the problem is with the algorithms.
The wide-angle and macro cameras are very weak. The wide-angle camera doesn't have a very wide viewing angle, and the macro camera doesn't have autofocus and only has a 2MP resolution.
The front selfie camera is quite good.
The so-called “night mode” of shooting is practically no different from the usual “Photo” mode.
Samsung 108MP ISOCELL HM6 uses and other smartphone models: Infinix NOTE 12 PRO, Infinix Note 12 VIP, Motorola Moto G72, Oppo A1 Pro, Realme 9 4G, Realme 10 Pro, Realme 10 Pro+, Redmi K50 Ultra, Xiaomi 12T, Samsung Galaxy M53, Samsung Galaxy M54, Samsung Galaxy F54 and many others.
The best result I got on the Blackview A200 Pro was when I shot in the regular “Photo” mode with the 'HDR' function forced on. The “108 Million” mode, although it provides high detail in good lighting, does not have the ability to use 'HDR', which makes the final photo more “faded”. The “108 Million” mode is well suited for further post-processing on a computer. With a little refinement, you can get a very good or even good result. Examples with refinement can be found on my 500px: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
I was also pleasantly surprised that the main photo module at close focusing distances produces pronounced bokeh (natural, not software). Bokeh example 1, bokeh example 2, bokeh example 3.
Video review
Results
Blackview A200 Pro is positioned as one of the company's flagships among unprotected smartphones.
Overall, the Blackview A200 Pro showed a good result of its main photo module. The limitations of photo and video capabilities are mainly related to the not very productive processor, as well as the non-optimized camera control interface. When shooting at a high resolution of 108 MP, you have to sacrifice the dynamic range and the lack of manual settings, since at this resolution you cannot use the built-in HDR function or change any settings. In the normal “Photo” mode (with binning up to 12 MP) and HDR mode, you can get the most pleasing result.
The lack of optical stabilization and the limitation to 2K video are serious shortcomings in 2024.
Overall, the Blackview A200 Pro is a responsive and pleasant smartphone. I spent about three weeks with it and never found any problems during operation. Only during intensive photography could the camera app be capricious.
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Material prepared Arkady Shapoval.
In short, these 108 MP are pure marketing. The manufacturer presents this as the main feature, but did everything to ensure that people never turn on this mode.
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Well, not exactly, similar pictures at ISO 100 are well worth being. Especially if you work on them later. Lots of detail is good
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“Paired slot for two memory cards or one memory card and one microSD flash card (up to 1 TB)” – surely there are two SIMs?
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Fixed
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Thanks for the review - I've always been curious about what these multi-pixel mobile sensors can do, but all the reviews I've seen so far weren't written by photographers and therefore didn't go into the subject in depth enough.
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It is quite possible to obtain results no worse than those of other equivalent 28/5.6 class lenses:
https://500px.com/photo/1100091512/time-by-arkadii-shapoval
https://500px.com/photo/1100092365/sun!-by-arkadii-shapoval
https://500px.com/photo/1100683918/night-light-by-arkadii-shapoval
https://500px.com/photo/1100696974/blackview-a200-pro-by-arkadii-shapoval
https://500px.com/photo/1100697097/candels-by-arkadii-shapoval
https://500px.com/photo/1100698067/sunny-day-by-arkadii-shapoval
https://500px.com/photo/1100737944/rose-by-arkadii-shapoval
https://500px.com/photo/1100737784/colors-by-arkadii-shapoval
https://500px.com/photo/1100740521/colors-by-arkadii-shapoval
https://500px.com/photo/1100755113/sunset-by-arkadii-shapoval
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There is such a concept as the diffraction limit of resolution.
The optical resolution limit of an ideal lens is 1,22 µm for green.
And the matrix of this smartphone has a pixel size of 0,64 microns.
Experts recommend stopping at a 48 MP matrix and improving it. Increase the dynamic range, improve light sensitivity (quantum efficiency), and work on the quality of the optics.
But today all manufacturers rushed after inflated marketing figures and image improvement using post-processing methods – purely “computational photography”
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AI and algorithms to combat diffraction will help, the same Canon has long had the ability to combat diffraction in RAW. It's a matter of time and power
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The coolest camera phone to date according to DXOMARK rating, Huawei Pura 70 Ultra, has only 40 and 50 MP sensors.
Although they could have installed 108 or 200 MP.
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DXOMARK has the sharpest lens there - that's it. Chinese 85/1,8 for 100 bucks...
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This Yongnuo 85mm/1,8 is currently in sixth place.
https://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/
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smartphones – take it out, take a photo and immediately get a great result. You can’t guess whether it’s a DSLR or not
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if the camera has a 28/5.6 wide angle lens, then it really won't be easy to tell the difference. But any lens can be installed on cameras with interchangeable optics, which gives more flexibility
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Shoots beautifully)
Beautiful color rendering of lights!
Will leave no work for photographers))
Although skillful hands will always be relevant))
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thanks, one user on youtube couldn't tell the difference between pictures from this phone and from 70-210/4, which already says something
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That's it! And Radozhiva was captured by pokes... She held out for a long time and then gave in! Apparently there will soon be no resources left about photography...
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In what sense? https://radojuva.com/2020/08/xiaomi-redmi-note-8-pro-64-mp-osnovnojj-kamery-samsung-isocell-plus/comment-page-1/
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A strange statement... the article seems to be about photography.
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Interesting and informative review. The photos are wonderful).
Thanks for the work!
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I'll throw a mega-idea to Samsung engineers. If it's so hard to make an array of very small color filters, and the final color information is easier to obtain using algorithms and AI, then I suggest making a monochrome honest 108 MP array, and let your beloved AI colorize the photos itself - just let the user say what skin tone he needs and how many colors of the rainbow.
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on your a7s, the non-existent color is extracted from 12 MP subpixels in exactly the same way, turning them into a full 12 million color pixels. Roughly speaking, there is only data for 3 MP in color (12/4 subpixels) and 12 in resolution. So this is a kind of proposal, here with 108 MP of “real” color there is the same amount – 3 MP (conditional), but the resolution is still 108m
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That's right. 1/3 of the color resolution of the total. But at least not 1/27. It's like comparing the influence of monochromatic and chromatic aberrations. For example, on my A7s, the resolution is considered to be limited by the number of pixels in general, that is, by the conditionally "monochromatic" component. Are you sure that in the case of a 108 MP matrix with a curved arrangement of filters, the resolution is really determined by the same principle? I am absolutely sure that it is not, because the distribution of filters, that is, the color resolution, in this case will definitely limit the maximum resolution. Therefore, such a 108 MP sensor will not be equivalent to a 108 MP sensor with an array of filters with a Bayer pattern. I think your assumption is incorrect.
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here there is a substitution “with a crooked arrangement of filters”. Who said that the a7s filters are “straight”. The Bayer pattern is a mathematical abstraction (hello from at least two green components to 1 red and 1 blue). The color resolution may be more difficult to restore than with a regular Bayer, but this is a matter of mathematical models that will not give a linear drawdown to 1/27. As an example - tetracel c 2*2, where it is quite easy to understand the principle of debayering with another "bypass" of the pattern. with 3*3 it is more difficult (visually it is more difficult to understand mathematics with a nanocell). In addition, there are real examples where it is really hard to say that there was a tricky “restoration” of color. And in fact, the brain of a monkey-human is unlikely to be able to determine this. Example (which is in the review).
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Yes, a substitution. The Bayer pattern is not ideal, of course, but the 9x9 cell is clearly worse. Substitution of concepts is when such matrices are directly compared with conventional ones in resolution using the notorious number of megapixels, but in fact, with the same architecture, the resolution of the sensor with a Bayer array will be higher than with an array of filters grouped into 9x9 cells. Because in the latter case, details will be lost due to low color resolution.
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"Color resolution" came into play. What will it be in monochrome?
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In grayscale without demosaicing, 108 MP will be 108 MP. However, there is a problem here too: the pixel size is 640 nm, which gives problems with diffraction in visible light of 400-700 nm, and this is if the lens is of ideal quality, which is definitely not to be expected from this phone - this is clearly visible in the sidebars in the review. The lens clearly will not resolve so much in monochrome, and even less so in color.
The only non-marketing reason why the sensor was put into the phone is that this sensor is available. The sensor itself can be used quite reasonably with high-quality optics for, for example, imaging in the short-wave region - here the pixel size will be acceptable.
Now, if we move to color, how can this work? The simplest possible model is multisampling. This is already a limitation in itself, since it ~doubles the reaction time. Let's say we take a photo in "108" MP, then immediately in full binning "12" MP. Or vice versa, it doesn't matter. The small photo after demosaicing according to Bayer provides color information for the large photo. We stretch the color from the small photo to the large one. In this case, I think it is clear that we will get a decrease in quality due to the fact that the brightness information is reliable for the large photo, and the color information was interpolated. The effect of such an image defect is similar to the effect of longitudinal chromatic aberrations of their optics - the resolution will be reduced, no matter how many megapixels you draw. Of course, the algorithm can be more complex, with the participation of demosaicing of a large photo, then the loss of information will be less, but still they cannot be avoided.
Therefore, the Isocell 9×9 matrix in the “108 MP” mode will not give 108 MP equivalent to the same 108 MP obtained from the same matrix with a Bayer filter. Although the gain in comparison with the usual 12 MP is noticeable.
In the same way, a Bayer matrix “108 MP” will not give a resolution (not file size, but resolving power) higher than a system like the old 3CCD of three monochrome matrices with 108 MP. Thus, there is no sense in 108 MP at the output of the phone matrix: after all, neither the matrix itself, nor the optics are capable of providing such a high resolution. There would be fewer complaints if it had something more “honest” in terms of file size at the output.
I am leading this discussion to the fact that the user should be able to understand what he is buying and how it at least approximately actually works, what are the pros and cons of the device he is using. Files of 50 meters will simply quickly fill up the phone's memory, and the PC's disks, and the cloud. What is the point of them if the same result will be given by smaller files? And the burning question: do you really need 108 MP to take pictures of cats on the street and documents at work?
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Well, I don’t have any cats or documents in my review – what’s my problem?
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So you don't have cats in your review only because there are no strays on the streets of Belgium. Otherwise there would definitely be some)))
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It was a counterexample that destroyed your entire canvas.
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In sarcasm if
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Such sensors have an interesting technology – Staggered HDR. This is when each 108MP cell shoots with different shutter speeds and glues everything together into 12MP, you get a classic HDR, but from one frame.
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there is no Staggered HDR here (as it was, for example here), and WDR SMART ISO PRO based on two matrix body kits with different sensitivities. This is described in the text
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I am delighted :-))) It is always interesting to listen to the conversation of such smart people :-)))
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On my Redmi note 10 pro, also 108 MP from Samsung, but one of the early ones. When shooting at maximum resolution, it is not even close to the quality that this Blackview has. Wild interpolation, you can take a regular 12 MP photo, stretch it 9 times, and get the same as what a phone does in 108 MP resolution. I have a feeling that on my Redmi, these overpixels are exclusively for binning.
The size of my 108 MP jpg in maximum quality is 11 MB
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here the creators have implemented what has long been suggested - hardware or software (as you like) combining several pixels into one super-pixel - bypassed the vile diffraction on a sharp turn :-)
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