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Bogdankov V.A. at a photo exhibition, 2019. Photo by Alexandra Bochkareva. Zenitar 50/0.95, Sony A7M2.
The Krasnogorsk plant "Zenith" is one of the most famous optical and mechanical enterprises in the post-Soviet space. Like many other factories, KMZ almost did not produce photo optics until 2012, when they suddenly resumed production of a controversial but interesting lens Helios-40-2, and then presented at least a dozen new products.
A year ago, after successfully working with LZOS to test lenses Rubinar, I tried to find an opportunity for similar cooperation with KMZ, but, as it turned out, interaction with the community of enthusiasts is not a priority for the enterprise, therefore, it was not possible to obtain any information about their products, which affected in my bitter note, in which even the presentation and positioning of products on the market was criticized more than the products themselves.
Not so long ago, I nevertheless decided to “close the gestalt” and discuss the accumulated questions with the person who developed most of the optical circuits of the KMZ lenses produced today and planned for release - Vladimir Bogdankov. The conversation took place on the VK social network.
– Vladimir Alexandrovich, tell us about how you became an optical engineer? Where do we train such specialists, how did the training take place. Maybe one of the teachers remembered.
– There are several educational institutions in Moscow that train engineers in the field of optical systems, and in 2005 I entered two of these: Bauman Moscow State Technical University and Moscow State University of Geodesy and Cartography. But since before entering the university I went to preparatory courses at the Moscow State Technical University, my soul lay more with him, and, having received at least a tolerable score for the exams, I already clearly knew which university I would go to.
But with the faculty it was a little more difficult. The department RL-2 (Laser and optical-electronic systems) was considered quite prestigious, and it had a very high passing score, I would not have gone there, but I didn’t want to go to a department that was not interesting to me. Quite by chance, at the open day at MSTU, I found out that there is a “clone” faculty of RL-2 - the same specialty, but located not at the Baumanskaya metro station, but ... in Krasnogorsk. But the passing score was noticeably lower. It was not much more difficult for me, a resident of the Odintsovo district, to go to Krasnogorsk to study than to Bauman, and I decided to go to this faculty, OEP (Optical-Electronic Instrumentation). At that moment, I did not know that this was an industry faculty created to train specialists for work at the Krasnogorsk Mechanical Plant (KMZ). At that moment, I did not understand at all who I would be after graduation and what kind of profession - an optical engineer.
The first 3 years of study did not add clarity, mostly there were general subjects, I was not at all interested in studying, and, as a result, they were going to expel me from the university due to poor progress. The only chance to stay at the university was to switch to paid education with the loss of a year and re-teach, which I chose.
Around the same time, a close friend of mine got a SLR camera (Canon 450d), and I asked for a camera for a couple of days, to try to shoot. Using the camera, adjusting the aperture and changing the focus of the lens, it suddenly became clear to me what we study at the university and “how it works”. Moreover, it became very interesting to study, and I began to re-read even the passed subjects and go deeper. In parallel with this, I bought my camera (canon 50d), began to learn to photograph, gradually began to shoot for money, and by the end of his studies at MSTU, he even worked as a teacher of photography courses.
Around 2010, I came across the FOTO.RU Club forum - a topic dedicated to the Helios-40 lens. There was a strong stir around this lens in the photography community, the price of the lens “flew into space”, although the lens itself was technically quite simple, only 6 lenses and no electronics. Since the chief optician of the KMZ plant taught with us, I had the opportunity to ask him a question: “why shouldn’t KMZ resume the production of Helios-40, because the market really needs it ?!”. In response, I received: “why don’t you develop a lens yourself, a good modern one, and then implement it at KMZ?” It seemed to me a great idea - it was the 4th year of study, it was time to choose the topic of the thesis, and I came with an application - "I want to develop a photographic lens." The dean, perfectly remembering my past “merits” (failure), apparently decided to take me on weakly, said - “the topic is good, but you can’t”. It hurt me a little, but it didn't stop me. Our teacher and chief optician of the plant, Senik Bogdan Nikolaevich, introduced me to KMZ specialists, experienced engineers, whom I constantly tormented with questions and adopted their experience in lens calculations. I spent all my free time on the 4th, 5th and 6th courses studying the calculation of optics. By the way, in the 6th year I was already an excellent student and was able to transfer to budget education again, I also defended my diploma with excellent marks. At the end of my training, I was invited to KMZ to work as an optician and help relaunch the production of lenses, and the experience gained as a commercial photographer and photography course teacher was useful in the development of new lenses.
Photo from the defense of the diploma. The theme is a fast portrait lens (1,4 / 85). Further than the diploma work, this lens did not go into production.
– Did you have to solve any other problems during training, practice?
– There was a lot of practice at my faculty at KMZ: starting from the first year, we devoted one day a week to the plant. First, they taught working specialties - an optics grinder-polisher or a turner, and then - a technologist in production.
- So you were trained in specialties from design to manufacturing procedures?
– Yes, but in a different sequence: first, make the parts, then design them. Definitely the right approach to learning, the practice was very helpful to understand.
- And what lenses (or, perhaps, other optical systems) did you take part in the development of? What were the biggest projects for you?
- Not all of them are mass-produced, some are still planned for release. From development to serial production often takes a long time, sometimes several years. Some are no longer released (Petzval 2.2/85, for example). This is a list of lenses whose optical designs I designed:
Zenitar 3.5/8 (patent* RU2626298C1), Zenitar 2.8/21, Zenitar 2.5/32 (patent RU2649053C1), Zenitar 2.0/35, Zenitar 1.0/35, Zenitar 1.0/50 (patent RU2771147C1), Zenitar 0.95/50 (patent RU2726264C1),
Zenitar 1.2/50s (patent RU2592746 C1), Zenitar 2.8/60 Macro (patent RU2760643C1), Zenitar 1.4/85 (patent RU2611106C1), Zenitar 1.2/85, Petzval 2.2/85 (patent RU2549915C1), Petzval 1.9/58 (patent RU2607738C1).
*I have added open source patent information available to each of the lenses.
- An extensive list, you will not say anything. Maybe something was a source of inspiration in working on such a variety of optics?
– The optics itself inspired me a lot. I studied the best foreign lenses, read reviews and expert reviews and created :).
– What difficulties did you encounter when designing photographic lenses?
- Resources were limited: the foreign level of production exceeds the domestic level, the accuracy is higher. Reaching a foreign level with the available resources is the main difficulty.
- Are resources a tool for lens processing? Or a lack of high-quality optical glass, coatings?
– All together: the precision of manufacturing lenses, the precision of manufacturing mechanical parts, coatings. The same aspherical lenses were not allowed to be used in civilian mass production.
- Did you also make optics for the military industry?
- At KMZ, I was engaged in exceptional civil engineering. I have not worked at KZM since December 1, 2020. It is better not to develop the topic of special optics.
Stand in the KMZ museum. Bogdankov V.A. - next to the famous Rusinov M.M. and Maltsev M.D.
- Good. Tell us about the help of colleagues or maybe photo communities in the development of lenses. Did you have to interact with enthusiasts?
– We interacted with photographers, gave them lenses for tests, and used the received frames as advertising. My personal opinion is that there was little interaction. Unfortunately, I could not influence these processes. My direct responsibility is the development of optics and maintenance of serial production.
Yes, probably not enough. Is there something that you would very much like to implement, but did not succeed or did not have time?
- I would say that I did not succeed more than I did. Or maybe I wanted too much. While still studying at the university, I discovered an unoccupied niche of a cheap portrait lens with a focal length of 85 mm and a relative aperture of F / 1.4. At that time, they were on the market only Nikkor 85mm f/1.4D and Canon 85 / 1.2, but there was nothing cheaply available. I urged KMZ to do this, but was not heard. Only after 2014 did the Zenitar 1.4 / 85 appear, but there were already available on the market Samyang etc. The same applies to the Zenitar 0.95/50: its prototype was ready back in 2016, but it was not given a go, and when it was given in 2019, it was already on the market Mitacons и Other.
In principle, it was not possible to achieve serial production of 1.2 / 85 (including with the Nikon F mount), although the lens was developed and the prototype performed well. I personally liked the picture from him very much. And I see no objective reason not to release it.
The roadmap of the Zenit factory, which shows lenses that never reached serial production.
- This 85 / 1.2 lens was interesting, yes. But even more interesting was the huge full-frame 50 / 1.2. Is it true that it could be the Russian “Otus”? :)
- That full-frame 1,2 / 50 was just developed not by me, but by my colleague. Initially, this lens had a customer who wanted high resolution across the entire field of the frame. At some point, the customer left, but the developed lens remained. But it would still not be entirely correct to compare it with Otus, to be honest. Our 1,2/50 was good, but Otus is on another level, much higher.
Later, I developed a shortened version of such a full-frame lens. There was also a prototype, but there was no serial production. Also for no good reason.
- We waited, yes. And of the lenses that have seen the light, which one do you consider the most successful?
- It is hard to say. I really liked the picture with 0.95 / 50, but it did not become a mass lens. Maybe because of the hefty price tag? Or a small number of E-mount cameras?
Zenitar 1.2 / 50s I love the lens very much, the very concept of an affordable high-aperture “portrait lens” was mine and I really liked it, but I also can’t say that the lens is very massive. Zenitar 1.4 / 85 was the lightest and most compact among the “classmates”, with a soft picture and unobtrusive bokeh. I like him, but he also did not become a legend.
– What do you think is the reason why so far none of the new lenses has received the status of “legendary”? Helios-40 somehow managed.
- Helios-40 has its own unique pattern, and it made this lens legendary. On its popularity, I planned to release a line of lenses with a similar pattern. Maybe they will come out soon - there have been developments.
– Could you tell us a little about the revival of Helios-40-2, Jupiter-3 (Zenitar 50/1.5), Russar 20/5.6? As a specialist chemist, I was interested in the question of how they solved the problem of the absence of glass brands in the modern catalog that were used in the days of the USSR?
- Helios 40-2 and other lenses also passed through me. There is no problem with glass, it has not gone anywhere. There were problems with glass for Jupiter-9, I had to recalculate a little one gluing while maintaining all the optical characteristics. But the customer for Jupiter-9 also left.
- I found schemes in the GOI catalog and studied the LZOS optical glass catalog - many brands were no longer in the new catalog.
– Lytkarino and KMZ have a long-standing relationship, and for such a large customer as KMZ, Lytkarino could brew some brands of glass on purpose, without putting them in the catalog.
Interesting enough, I didn't know that. I have also been collecting and studying technical information about KMZ lenses for a long time, but it is practically non-existent, with the exception of patents. The manufacturer usually does not keep it a secret, what is the reason for such a factory policy here? Not even schematic diagrams are available, which are generally provided by almost all manufacturers.
- The release of photographic lenses (and indeed any product) is a business that must have a clear strategy, leader, goals, etc. For KMZ, the release of lenses is still a kind of elective. I really wanted to debug all these processes, get influence on the photography direction, for this I even received a second degree at the Higher School of Economics (specialty - "economics and company management"), but they did not allow it.
- That is, this is due to a kind of lack of competence of the sales department?
- The higher management did not have a clear desire and understanding of how to develop the photo direction. Without it, it is pointless to blame the marketing and sales department, where, it seems, two or three people worked “out of order”, doing everything in the world: shipments, invoices, statements, and exhibitions ...
- Let's move on to the latest innovations from KMZ, presented last year. A special response was caused by the appearance of the domestic ultra-fast lens Zenitar 50 / 0.95. We have already mentioned it several times, but can you tell us more about the creation of this lens? What was the impetus for that? What was the guideline?
- This lens did not appear last year, and not even the year before. It was first shown in 2016. It was developed with Leica in mind, of course. Noctilux is beautiful - and getting as close to it as possible was paramount. Without aspherics, it was extremely difficult, because the dimensions of the lens turned out to be noticeably larger - all for the sake of optical quality.
– Is the abundance of flat surfaces in optical design also a compromise?
– Abundance is loudly said :) . So it turned out according to the calculation, it was not specially laid down.
- There is an important question. The optics produced by KMZ, for the most part, are some kind of “artistic” lenses. And what features of the so-called lens pattern are laid down in the calculation immediately? Probably, this was especially taken into account when creating the petzvals?
– I always tried to pay attention to the bokeh shape and other features of the developed lens. It happened that the lens seems to be designed, but it is predicted to have clearly ugly bokeh. Then I recalculated the lens, fundamentally changing the scheme.
With Petzval it was different. Lomography https://www.lomography.com, ordering the development of the petzval at KMZ, prepared a “book” - with a complete description of the concept of the lens, with a description of the desired appearance, with sketches, with photographs of the 19th century that they wanted repeat "petzval", and other detailed information. "Lomography" are good marketers, well prepared. Largely because Petzval was a success. And yes, having studied the features of the photos they attached, I developed the lens, trying to repeat the desired “pattern” of the lenses.
– Thank you, then the question immediately arises: what chords, what aberrations are played when creating the desired bokeh, and can you give an example of beautiful and ugly bokeh? Does trying to change the bokeh affect the overall optical quality of the lens?
- In a lens close to ideal, the bokeh also has an even distribution of energy (illuminance) in the blur circle, and the shape of the circle tends to be round (with a slight trimming of the edges due to geometric vignetting). If we want to have a distribution that is not even, but, for example, clear edges of circles and the shape of a “lemon” (as on Helios-40), this is already a manifestation of aberrations. Not a specific one, but everyone in the complex - and a lens with such a “pattern” simply cannot have the maximum resolution over the entire image field. Therefore, older lenses that are not ideal in sharpness often have their own unique bokeh pattern, while modern “fancy” and sharp lenses look more and more like each other, often (but not always) turning the background into the same “Gaussian blur”.
- Are there modeling methods “from result to lens scheme”, or artistic features vary by trial and error?
I can't speak for all opticians. Maybe someone can. I walked a straight path, from the diagram to the calculation of the drawing, and if I didn’t like it, I took a couple of steps back to go forward again - to the drawing that suited me.
- Okay, I understand - I have been interested in this issue for a long time. This is somewhat reminiscent of computational methods in chemistry.
"Creative" lenses are quite popular in the world lens baby. Were there any ideas to create similar "adaptive", modular optical systems at KMZ? Can the lens "Selena 58 / 1.9" (aka Petzval 58 / 1.9) be called this because of the option to change the bokeh?
- Just yes, Petzvali 1.9 / 58 and 2.2 / 85 are a class of “creative” lenses. And the idea to change the bokeh came by chance: we wanted to assemble a layout and agree with the customer on the degree of background “twisting”, and I developed a lens in which changing one air gap (moving part of the lenses) would change this degree of background twisting. It was assumed that the customer, having received the layout, empirically chooses the position that he likes, and we will stop there - we will release such a lens. But everything turned out differently, the customer liked everything, and the Petzval 1,9 / 58 began to have a unique bokeh adjustment scale.
- Have you planned to develop this direction?
- Yes, I wanted to create something like that, but more perfect.
– But there is still such a question, which interested many. The Zenitar 85 / 1.4 lens (and not only it), as you know, is based on Soviet developments. How is the modernization of old circuits going before production?
– With Zenitar 1.4/85 it was a different story. There were indeed several of them in Soviet times, and one of the versions was going to be resumed for release. They made an experimental batch, gave it to photographers for tests, but they did not appreciate it - the sharpness was very low. And then I was given the task of developing new optics for the external parts of the old lens. This is what I did. Well, then there was a redesign of external parts for a single style, and the lens, in fact, became completely new. Here I would like to make a small clarification: “old parts” are parts made now, but according to old drawings. There are no parts in the Soviet-era warehouses at KMZ.
- Old parts - does this mean the preservation of the geometric parameters of the lenses, gaps and others, laid down when designing the case?
- Initially, the lens was completely manufactured according to Soviet drawings - both mechanics and optics. And then the optics and part of the mechanics were redone, that is, they developed new ones. And then the redesign and, accordingly, there were no details left according to Soviet drawings.
- I've been using the lens for a long time Zenitar 50 / 1.2s. I remember that it was originally planned to be made aspherical. What did the rejection of aspherics lead to and can we expect domestic aspherical lenses in the near future or is it still technologically impossible?
- The aspherical version of Zenitar 1,2 / 50s was not developed by me. When it was developed, it was considered that those aspherical lenses come out quite expensive. The lens for the consumer would be too expensive, so I was already given the task of developing a lens without the use of aspherics, but no worse. This task has been completed.
Regarding the state of affairs at KMZ now, I can’t say anything, I have not been working at KMZ for a year and a half. But, I want to believe that the company is developing technologically and will soon please amateur photographers with new products.
- Yes, it turned out really well - I always advised it for any crop cameras or for video in crop format, because in the secondary market its cost is the same as the old class 50 / 1.4 optics, and the quality is a cut above. There is something to compare with. :)
Can you tell us what was the prototype of the Zenitar 60 / 2.8 Macro lens, in which for the first time an electromagnetic diaphragm and a floating lens system were used - is this not at all a mass phenomenon for domestic optics?
- The Zenitar 60 / 2.8 Macro does not have a completely floating lens system. Floating refers to small non-linear displacements of lenses according to a complex law. Here it is different: focusing is carried out by moving not the entire lens block of the lens, but part of the lenses, moreover, part of the lenses remains in place. This was done to ensure high resolution over the entire range of focusing distances. At first I studied various macro lenses, foreign circuit solutions, then I came to something of my own. The lens design is slightly reminiscent of the Canon MP-e 65mm, but still different, and the working distances (and, accordingly, the shooting scale) are different.
- In fact, the scheme is very similar Micro Nikkor 60/2.8D, accurate to the characteristics, quantity, shape, arrangement of lenses and method of focusing. Was it a reference lens and how safe are such coincidences for the manufacturer?
- I doubted, climbed to look for files by macro lens. :) To some extent it is similar - the number of lenses is the same, although the scheme is different and the configuration of the lenses is not identical. Most likely, I also studied this Micro-Nikkor, I don’t remember anymore (Zenitar Macro 2.8 / 60 optics was calculated in 2016), I tried to study everyone.
Thanks for the clarification, that's an interesting point. :)
Many people also expected that Zenitar 35/2 would become a popular hit, like their Chinese counterparts, which, by the way, didn’t really “succeed” (7artisans 35/2 FE did not become very popular and did not “hook” the audience). But there is practically no information about Krasnogorsk 35/2, including the patent could not be found. Tell us about its concept, development history.
- I can’t tell you all the details about 2/35, I will leave this prerogative to the Krasnogorsk plant. Let me just say that during its development I focused on lenses for Leica, they seemed to be the best in this segment. And yes: it seems that I never filed a patent application for it, I did not have time.
– Is the circuit diagram also a secret? Representatives of the plant also did not comment on it in any way a year ago. I came to the conclusion that this is a double Gauss like this:
Schematic diagram of the OKS8-35-1 35/2 lens.
Leica had these options:
Optical schemes of Leica 35/2 lenses of various modifications.
- Focused on Leica in terms of quality, not optical design. Since I am no longer a KMZ employee, I believe that I have no right to disclose this information. I can only say in general that the planar-like pseudosymmetric scheme is 7 lenses in 5 groups.
- Well, that's understandable. KMZ had a collaboration with Leica and even produced a camera with the Zenith brand and a 35/1.0 lens for it. What can you tell us about this experience of collaboration with Leica? What was it all about? Is it training, documentation exchange, joint projects?
– Leica specialists really came to KMZ, walked around the shops and gave their recommendations on the assembly and control of parts, assembled products. But furtherjoint product” - camera + lens - there was no cooperation, as far as I know.
– Is this product “joint” or joint? What is the share of participation of KMZ?
- Well, the camera was made by Leica, the lens was made by KMZ. If you put it all in one box, is it a joint product?
- That is, the lens is entirely developed by KMZ? Did you plan it as a separate product?
- the lens was developed before the meeting with Leica representatives.
- I see, thanks for the comments on KMZ photographic equipment. And where and what tasks do you perform after you leave the factory? What was the reason for this decision?
– Currently, I am also engaged in optics, but not for civilian purposes. He left because it was long overdue. I wanted to grow not only as a technical specialist, I wanted to expand my area of responsibility and influence. At KMZ, I reached the ceiling available to me, so it was time to leave.
- That's how it is. What do you think, what future awaits the domestic optical industry in the civil sphere, including in terms of photo optics? How will the current situation of the economic blockade affect this?
- The economic blockade will not significantly affect photographic equipment in Russia. The most noticeable thing that will happen is the increase in prices - on the same scale as for other goods. But the goods themselves will not disappear, re-exports will not go anywhere. The global trend to wash out the economy segment (amateur) in photographic equipment will continue. And in Russia, including. As for the domestic production of photographic equipment, I sincerely hope that this direction will be successfully developed both at KMZ and in other enterprises.
- Once you mentioned that you read Radozhiva. How long have you been using the resource? What was the most useful and interesting for you?
– Since the moment of strong passion for the photo industry, since 2009, I began to read a lot about photographic equipment and photographic art. Gradually formed a circle of sites that I visited relatively often. Among them was Radozhiva. I was interested in reviews of lenses that I was guided by during development; reviews of lenses that are unique in their characteristics, as well as reviews of domestic lenses - including those to which I had a hand.
- So far, there is only one such review, since KMZ did not show interest in the possibility of preparing a publication on the site. :)
– Yes, KMZ missed many good opportunities.
- You probably know that the founder of Radozhiva, Arkady Shapoval, is from Ukraine. Would you like to convey something to him, the readers of the site?
- To be honest, I only recently found out about this, but for me it’s not so important where a person comes from - I treat people of different nationalities and religions equally well.
I don’t care about the sanctions and unfriendly actions of European countries, but the conflict with Ukraine makes me very sad. I would very much like it to end as soon as possible with minimal casualties on all sides. To all readers and to the very founder of the site, Arkady, I want to wish creative success, and that the entire photo community be beyond politics and borders.
– Thank you for answering the questions, for talking about the whole stage of the restoration of the domestic production of photo optics. We were able to discuss all prepared by me and even some unprepared questions.
You read an interview with one of the leading developers of modern lenses of the Krasnogorsk plant named after. Zverev, Bogdankov Vladimir Alexandrovich. The material is published with his consent. Take part in the discussion in the comments to this post - they do not require registration.
It seems to me that without the reviews of Arkady and the posts of TigraGirl, all this Soviet optics was generally of no interest to anyone. Pathetic dances on the graves of old optical circuits - all that they can in KMZ. Bogdankov did the right thing by dumping this decaying enterprise. During the same time, the Chinese have gone through 3-4 generations of lenses, achieved autofocus and even zooms. KMZ has achieved the rebranding of Lake.
Lake left the Russian market (link), perhaps this will also affect the release of cameras under 35 / 1.0.
And in general, many left the market, the same leader in cameras and lenses - Canon (link).
Most likely, sales of all lenses from KMZ will be discontinued in the west. On the same BHPhoto their products are sold (link), there are regional stores in Europe.
The Chinese (and in the east) have their own, much better and more interesting solutions.
But he didn’t design sights for the Russian army? Is it worth publishing interviews of people from Mordor
Although some sheep are still bleating: "we are out of politics."
Rodion did a great job, otherwise I would not have published.
In Mordor, people are not burned with impunity, as in Ukrainian (still) Odessa in the glorious 2014, in Mordor people are not tortured, like Azov and other ghouls, in Mordor they are not building torture concentration camps, which was recently liberated from the same “Azov”, in Mordor, prisoners of war are not abused. You are wrong with the name. Did the Anglo-Saxons tell you?
Arkady, I will express my personal point of view as a long-term subscriber of Radozhiva. A couple of months ago, I would have taken this article as another piece of interesting information from Radozhiva. But now there is a war (!), directly or indirectly, this person works for the defense industry of the Russian Federation, which right now is destroying our military and civilians, treacherously invading a sovereign country. To your country. In your native Kyiv, including. And, as a resident of long-suffering Kharkov, I cannot remain “out of politics” like you. I consider this to be unacceptable in any way. I can’t even imagine a situation where, for example, a British newspaper during World War II would publish an interview with a Wehrmacht military optician. Kind of out of politics. I just don’t understand how you could do it, simply because “Rodion did a great job.” I was similarly disappointed and outraged by a video on Mike Toptygin’s channel, where he takes pictures of goods in Peter’s store, boasting that sanctions are nothing to us Russians. As well as the interlocutor of this interview, by the way.
War is either black or white. The “I am out of politics” attitude (because I and my family are safe at the moment) is a rotten attitude. If you are a citizen and patriot of Ukraine, you would be better off helping ZSU. By the way, they have a need for photographic equipment, and your experience would be useful
Sir, you seem to like to blame people without knowing the true state of things. Why did you decide that Arkady is “out of politics”? He published his position on this resource. This is a blog on photographic equipment and the article is quite appropriate. She has not ceased to be “a portion of interesting information from Radozhiva” because of your attitude. And yet, yes, on the basis of what did you conclude that Arkady is not helping the ZSU?
For the hairy mirror: I'm not a fan of blaming anyone. I substantiated my arguments. Arkady nevertheless agreed that the publication, albeit on a professional resource, but an article about the life path and achievements of a representative of a hostile country, to put it mildly, is not appropriate. I am sure that the vast majority of Ukrainian subscribers think the same way, especially in regions where people and infrastructure are massively destroyed. I'm from such a region, so any mention of anything rozzie just causes a riot. You - I'm sure - are not from such places. I can invite you to visit us, a day will be enough for a radical change in rhetoric.
Thanks to Arkady, firstly, for understanding and canceling the publication, and secondly, for the civil position and the measures taken. It is impossible to be outside of politics today.
I'm just very "in politics". Part of the funds raised here on the site was transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, almost all of the collected assistance went to good deeds for our affected citizens of Ukraine (soon I will record a video in general about this). Cooperation with the sites of the Russian Federation has been completely terminated, banners on the sites of the Russian Federation have been removed, links to the same lens club have been killed, the Radozhiva VKontakte group has been closed, my VK and OK profiles have been closed, etc. My position is clear here и here. And in principle, I am here every day without days off from 9 to 21.00 (now until 19.00) working for the benefit of Ukraine. I don’t return to Vyshgorod, because here now I am much more useful and got involved in the volunteer movement.
“Part of the funds raised here on the site was transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine” - I can imagine what a howl in the swamps is now))).
We are cats, they howl at us)
Wow, right-wing Nazis)))
I agree with Vyacheslav. Moreover, why do we need material about “phantom” optics, which de facto does not exist? Arkady, sorry for the youthful maximalism below, the claim is nominally against the object of the article, I respect you very much, but now I am angry and principled more than ever and I consider such stories inappropriate. It would be possible to keep the text for the time when people there come to their senses.
Yes, interesting from a professional point of view, glass with variable bokeh is interesting, but next time I would prefer a conversation with someone from the civilized world, from Zeiss or Leica. And then, questions for Lake, since they worked with this disgrace, which once again calls into question the fact whether I want to own Lake's camera in this life.
“I don’t care about the sanctions and unfriendly actions of European countries, but the conflict with Ukraine upsets me a lot. ”- and it upsets me that, it would seem, an intellectual person, makes optics, and he is not able to look beyond his nose. How then can he be considered competent in matters of optics? What if he wiped us some kind of game, and the majority, unknown in optics, would believe him?
Of course, I myself was surprised that they were going to make glass for a wonderful E-mount there, although it was immediately clear that it would have turned out a) a prototype and legends for your site b) nonsense that would not go into series because it's the Russian Federation.
It is a pity that the former Russian Federation chose the path of barbarism, instead of development, giving the ground for the work of the same Vladimir. So that there are even articles here, a lens with Zeiss specifications is cheaper than 7artisans. But, again, judging by the text, he supports barbarism and all this disgrace, therefore, these lenses are not needed. And it is not clear from the interview - too laconic waste from the military issue, which suggests that Vladimir takes part in the creation of a deadly machine that prevents us from living here and doing photography.
Again, I wouldn’t even wind it up on my A7R II without a war.
So we'll put it in the bins.
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the domestic market for photooptics in Russia is low-capacity due to the very low solvency of the population, and it makes no sense to sell products at prices like in the USSR for business, in the world our civilian optical and photo products are not interesting - the quality is mediocre, prices are higher than those of other manufacturers ... alas - dead end …
However, I will leave my comment.
The interview, in general, is about something in general - it is about how an enthusiast came to a typical post-Soviet enterprise, which, as a phenomenon, exists not only in the Russian Federation, but also in Ukraine, and tried to give birth to at least something reasonable there. Something happened - there are a lot of new Zenitar 50 / 1.2s, 85 / 1.4, Helios-40-2 lenses on the secondary market. Something did not take off, because ... it says why, and I also wrote about this a year ago. Then I received a portion of criticism that these are my arguments - now here is the position of a direct participant in the events.
And this story does not have a flag under which it can be presented, because this is a widespread post-Soviet phenomenon - it is understood by Ukrainians, Russians, Belarusians, and who knows who else from 15 republics. And for every normal person to read this is painful, unpleasant. And it is normal that it is painful and unpleasant, because how else? You may not read about your homeland, but you will recognize yours too. For example, I don't want to offend anyone, but Arsenal, one of the strongest factories, has not produced anything in so many years, not even phantom lenses. This makes it even worse, even for those who do not live in Ukraine. No one is better off for someone to get worse.
This is the story, take it for what it is - and without embellishment. And know it in order to do better than it was.
It is also surprisingly reckless to accuse people of having worked or are working in enterprises associated with the military-industrial complex. And what in general, excuse me, to do in this country, if any plant here has relations with the military-industrial complex and the state order? Are there, again, many factories in the post-Soviet space that do nothing for the defense industry? Zadornov said - “we even have pasta with a caliber of 7.62”. And this is also clear to both Ukrainians and Russians. Has anyone thought about why this happened? Izyumskty plant, for example, what share of the civilian produced in the post-Soviet era? As a friend of mine from Spain told me, the only way to get companies to produce vegan food instead of animal food is that vegan food is asked for more. “Cancelling” a butcher shop by a bunch of vegans won’t make them make tofu. But if they people prefer tofu, then the butcher shop will adjust to the demand. So is the military order eternal? Even its sole initiator is not eternal. And so is it necessary to “cancel” even this moronic KMZ?
It is also strange to expect that a person from the Russian Federation will be able to publicly express his opinion on current events if he has not moved himself and his entire family abroad. Especially if it is related to a budgetary enterprise. Today, hardly anyone remembers those who single-handedly opposed the regime in Germany in the 1930s, no one cares about those who came out with a blank sheet and received a fine in the price of an apartment, went for a walk in the center and were beaten, made a repost and landed behind bars.
Be human, read and think.
If you have savages in power there, whom someone has chosen, then who is to blame for you that they beat you up at the protests? How is the protest going on among the Russians? One is knitted by 5 policemen - 20 fools are sawing a video. Of course, you will be arrested, fined, expelled from the country and even killed. You yourself are to blame for this. And if you add to this the fact that the majority of the population (what else can you be called?) support this, then it’s even a sin not to arrest or fine you.
What, am I to blame? I walked under the table when they were “elected”. As for the “majority”, I don’t see the “majority”. Or I'm lucky with a normal environment.
You understand, Rodion. When “they” were elected, things were much worse. I remember well what happened on the periphery in 1993…1999. And in the capitals it was not much better.
no.
In those years, you had chances for freedom. But you chose slavery.
Not that I condemn slaves, no. But just what for with your slavery to climb into other countries? Remain slaves in your swamps.
What, am I to blame? So your parents, who then voted, are to blame. Or was it I who came and threw the ballot into the ballot box?
As for “I don’t see the majority”, the answer will be simple - listen to what the parents-wives-sisters of the prisoners of war are saying. In a few words, it sounds like this: “I'm not interested in politics at all” and “we watch TV. and they tell us there ... ”and further according to the training manual about the Nazis and other crap. So you imagine the Nazi Arkady? Why did I take Arcadia as an example? Because you have been reading him for a long time and are more or less familiar with his work. So, in the OPINION OF ABSOLUTELY ALL relatives of the orcs in Ukraine, all without exception are Natsiks. That's why rockets with bombs fly at everything. The defenders of the Russian language came from Buryatia, some kind of Tyva, Transbaikalia, Izhevsk, Chechnya (where could it be without it), Ingushetia ... Who make five mistakes in a word of three letters. They came to defend the Russian language, yes. The Buryats defend the Russian language in Sumy. This is not a joke. And what about the telephone conversations of orcs with their females, in which the females tell what trophies their males should bring them? Do you really have problems with washing machines and women's underpants? Then you would ask, we would send you a humanitarian convoy.
So yes, Rodion, the majority.
You cannot imagine at all what my parents were doing in my city then. In general, this is called "survival". And the more you have to “survive”, the less you want to think about ballots. This is a pattern - and a lot is said and written about it. There is not only a direct correlation between the levels of democracy and well-being, but also the opposite. But you are just a toxic pseudo-patriot, embittered to the limit at everything connected with Russia indiscriminately, you do not understand such subtle matters, the mechanisms of the functioning of society. You are no different from the Kremlinbots - just a different polarity. The same victim of propaganda without critical thinking. If you lived in the Russian Federation, you would now be the same Orc. I sincerely wish both you and the Kremlinbots to collide together and mutually destroy each other, so that at least on the Internet it would be easier to breathe. Vladimir treats people of all nationalities and religions well, but I hate morons equally of all nationalities and religions.
Here again, here it is.
Why should I represent the life of survivors in rosie?
There is no need to think about ballots - I hear this in every conversation between prisoners of war and relatives. And then they can’t fool themselves, like their miracle in feathers was captured. Can't draw a straight line between "I'm not interested in politics at all" and "Mom, I'm a prisoner."
In general, I not only lived in Russia for some time, I also managed to be born there. And relatives, of course, there are.
How does Vladimir feel about orcs? Do you judge by his interviews with prisoners? You look where he is being interviewed, not him. You will have to learn a little Ukrainian language, of course, but it will be worth it.
You can’t even imagine how different this system is now from what it was in 2010. Those times are now called "vegetarian". And you know, I'm not involved in this and I'm not going to listen to this, especially considering that I, in general, did not deserve this in principle by any of my actions. Therefore, with your hate, go and speak in front of the Kremlinbots.
Surprising people who believe in "democratic choice" and "effective force of protest" in the post-Soviet space. A handful of politicians and oligarchs, who have concentrated absolute power in their hands, blurred the eyes of the people with “democracy”, satisfy their political and economic ambitions, throwing people into the war, and the “electorate”, who “chosen the wrong people” is to blame ” or did not run out to the “Maidan”.
Actually, yes, that's right.
When out of 150.000.000 people on the streets is 0.01% at best, then everything else is fine. Well, or not satisfied, but no one will be the first “under the bullets” (sometimes not in a figurative sense) to climb.
And how are you going to coordinate the actions of 150 million people? Or do you think that the huge staff of the RKN, the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs with a mass of technical means and hardworking workers just sit out their pants? You know, you can only tell all this while sitting on the couch. In a country where the information field is under control, this is impossible. And you know, no one in the world has ever supported those who could oppose the state in some way. So I do not believe in fairy tales about the fact that someone needs a “democratic Russia”. None is needed. Unfortunately, even now no one has done anything to destroy the idea of \uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe “external enemy”, they only provided more ground for people to gobble up propaganda with great pleasure. Some companies, for example, refused to service external Russian Internet nodes. Yes, probably, the tendency to form cheburnets for external reasons is very conducive to the democratization of society)))
Some organizations, however, have acted prudently. Proton gave us a free VPN so we could read the truth. Well, or at least know an alternative position. Well, as for the rest - I'll remember too)
In this shit, everyone solves their problems now and enjoys the benefits in any way they want. I do not want to ennoble anyone's goals. Yes, in general, the initial roles are clear, who started, who did not start. And what went on - it is pointless to consider before the start of the international trial, let the judges sort it out. I have no illusions, the behavior of pseudo-patriots is the same on both sides, I do not express any positive attitude and support to such persons.
Rodion, I give a free hint. Kazan (you seem to be from there) has a real chance to jump off the issue of reparations.
“Yes, in general, the initial roles are clear, who started, who did not start.”
So who started? Let's tell how Lukashenka, who brought the card and then will show it.
In Ukraine, the Nazis are in power, and this is a special operation to “denazify” Ukraine
The President of Ukraine is a Russian-speaking Jew, and Ukrainians, Georgians, a Russian, a Jew and a Crimean Tatar went to negotiations with the Russian side as part of the Ukrainian delegation on February 28.02 ... Not very similar to Nazism
– In this war, Israel supported Ukraine and expressed its readiness to provide humanitarian assistance to it
– Right-wing radical parties do exist in Ukraine (Svoboda, Right Sector), but they do not have much support and are practically absent in parliament. In the current convocation of the Verkhovna Rada, there is only 1 representative of the right-wing radical party, elected by the majority district (that is, they voted for a specific person, and not for the party as a whole)
– The existence of different political doctrines in society is a sign of a democratic developed society. And even better, his development demonstrates MODERATION and WEIGHING views. More than 50% of the Verkhovna Rada are centrists
– In Kyiv, there is a Babi Yar memorial center dedicated to the memory of hundreds of thousands of Jews shot in 1941-1943 by the Nazis. On March 1.03.2022, 5, three Russian rockets flew there. 5 people were killed, XNUMX injured.
- The city of Uman - a place of pilgrimage for thousands of Jews - has already been shelled by Russian troops several times. More like Nazism from Russia
– Jews stand up for Ukraine
– Israel deployed a field hospital in the Lviv region”
I doubt they will understand it. According to their training manual, we fire at ourselves. Previously, they did not fire, but as soon as the orcs crossed the border, they immediately began to fire. Moreover, we are firing missiles, which we have never had in service.
But Bucha is a decree, for them this is a known fact and they have a lot of evidence. They just don't show them to anyone. Here's some weird evidence.
In some post-Soviet countries, the protest works, yes. To do this, you just need not be a slave.
A few words about this interview. The fate of this specialization from the interview is not at all interesting to me, so I simply did not read some moments from the view. But the general conclusions are:
1. I fully admit that what he developed there (in fact, I’m sure that he just communized from someone) had an unimportant quality, so he was sent at the factory to the same place where the Russian warship went.
2. If in Russia all enterprises are to some extent focused on the military-industrial complex, then firstly this is very good (this is a great opportunity to steal money, and as we see from our experience in the war with Russia, the theft of Russians is our ally). Secondly, you will have to demilitarize. Well, what did you want? It's not a quick process, but we'll get through it.
3. Now you can get from Moscow to Saratov by sea, can you imagine? This is a breakthrough, not your toys in optical circuits, aperture blades and bayonets.
Your comments have never been adequate before, but now I don’t understand one thing - doesn’t a puddle of poison on the keyboard prevent you from typing?
What is wrong with my comments?
Don't like my opinion about Russia? And what opinion was expected about a country that attacks other states?
Is it not an achievement that one can get from Moscow to Saratov by sea? This is our new development, so we show it to the whole world.
Ahh, I figured it out! There, on peaceful boats, there were peaceful sailors who peacefully launched rockets at Ukrainian cities. Well, get out. Right now I'll call our MO to sort out this issue and apologize to you.
There is no poison, there is hatred for orcs. Ask Arkady how he feels about them. His Vyshgorod, by the way, did not see the occupation. But the missiles flew there, yes. Who released them? Probably peaceful pilots on bombers and fighters. By the way, in captivity they say that they fired at the coordinates. Blind kittens, in short, do not see where the bombs are flying.
And why? - V next time a certain Rodion will ask. Nothing, of course.
You yourself are an orc, you lost your moral advantage, you deserve nothing but contempt with your texts.
I never played that kagbe in order to lose.
The truth hurts my eyes, I understand.
Well, you show how you hate all Russians - write something else. You can also send spam to VK. Give more feed to our propaganda, give even more power to the state, give it even more opportunities to destroy you. You never realize your mistakes when a person is shit, he sees shit everywhere.
What is VK?
Why should I give more power to your state, if you already gave it all the power over you? Where else?
When a person does not see shit, like, for example, Arkady, who posted photos on Yandex, then he can enter into this shit. But Arkady washed the crap off his boot. And the Russians sank even deeper into the shit. Russian liberals are a clear example of this. Like, for example, Kira Yarmash with her “The worst thing about the Moskva cruiser is not that it sank, but that we don’t know how many people died on it. The Ministry of Defense does not say any figures - neither the exact number of rescued, nor the exact number of people on board. The fact that the Moscow cruiser launched missiles in Ukraine is not so scary. But the fact that someone died there on a cruiser is yes, horrific. For it’s not good to smoke and kindle fires on a cruiser.
Yes, by the way, Yandex has been deleted. I will close all the same comments here, just have neither the time nor the strength to filter something
Yep, I didn't read it all the way to the end.
This “I don’t care about the sanctions and unfriendly actions of European countries, but the conflict with Ukraine upsets me a lot” explains a lot. War in Ukraine = conflict with Ukraine. Well, who would have doubted. And the fact that a freak with two higher educations does not see a direct connection between the sanctions and unfriendly actions of European countries and the conflict with Ukraine is a sign of a narrow-minded mind. Now it’s clear why the factory sent him - who wants to have such a fool?