Problem of choice. Thoughts on the future

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Problem of choice. Thoughts on the future

Problem of choice. Thoughts on the future

The biggest challenge in my job is the task of selecting/selecting/sorting photos. V last article I described two of my methods for solving it. In this note, I just want to point out that the problem is only getting worse.

Modern cameras can capture high-speed continuous photography at very high resolutions and at huge frames per second. Modern very fast storage media make it possible to make a series of frames almost endless. For instance, Nikon z9 can shoot at 45MP at 30fps, and at 11MP at 120fps. Fast and capacious memory cards cfexpress or XQD allow you to get very long series of frames. By the way, 11 MP is enough for A4 printing.

The mentioned Nikon z9 can record video with 8K 30p quality in RAW format. And 8K is a picture size of 7680 X 4320 or a little more 33 MP. As a result, modern cameras are becoming more and more similar to movie cameras. If we discard the features of choosing shutter speeds for video shooting, then there is no fundamental difference between a modern camera with an electronic shutter and a video camera with the ability to shoot in high resolution.

As a result, modern cameras allow you to take photos with such a high burst speed that they are not much different from the work of video cameras. And from the received 'video stream' You can easily select the desired frame, the best photo. Of course, this method does not work in some cases, such as when shooting with flashing light.

Here, as never before, the problem of choosing the best personnel comes into force. The photo feed becomes endless, and the choice is more flexible, but also more time-consuming. I suppose that in the future the style of photography will change a little. It will be possible to perform a 'streaming' high-speed series of photographs (the so-called 'stretching'), and then select the most successful frames from this stream. This technique is not new; many photojournalists have been working this way for a long time. But their continuous shooting speeds remain within 10 fps, and the series of frames rarely reach 20. With the advent of a fully electronic shutter, this practice will increasingly go into the ranks of ordinary amateur photographers.

The selection of photos, most likely, will be automatic, based on algorithms (neural networks and other trendy technologies). Already, some services allow you to automatically remove duplicate photos, leaving only the most successful shots. And the process of working in some genres of photography will be indistinguishable from filmmaking.

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Comments: 36, on the topic: The problem of choice. Thoughts on the future

  • Paul

    Long ago, during the evolution of the organs of vision of living organisms, reasonable compromises were found in the processing of redundant visual information. Attempts to creatively rethink these decisions led to the development of painting and fine arts. If we take into account that photography is a visual product intended for a person, then at some point a smart camera will not just select, but process a series of images, highlighting the main images and completing them according to the information available in the images and previously accumulated on the basis of training. Like a digital artist.

    • Arkady Shapoval

      Already happened

      • Paul

        I'm not just talking about smart filters. And in a more positive connotation. Just as a continuation of the idea of ​​automating the choice .. Rather, that a specialized neural network can extract more information about the objects of shooting from the video sequence and, having parsed it into lines, surfaces and patterns, synthetically assemble back the best image from the point of view of solving the problem. Since human vision went this way at one time, then photo / video equipment will sometime repeat it, in order to highlight the most important and most important thing for a person from the flow of information. The photographer will be left with a pure creation :) how can an artist come up with and tell a story without being distracted by the technical difficulties of its implementation.

        • Rodion

          The more you trust complex technologies, the less the result depends on you. Often this is good because it saves time, but there is also a downside to the coin…

          • Paul

            So the technology of modern digital photography is never simple. Without higher mathematics and normal physics, you can’t tell what the camera does with the image, but this does not prevent modern photographers from using it. It's just that a person is adaptive to tools. And in general, any process of photography has never been simple :) since its invention. Neural networks will not spoil it much. We are now using presets and software in cameras, I am sure that neurons are already working there to the fullest on smoothing and calculating pixel parameters.

    • Salavat

      Pavel, without going into details, we can conclude that for people, who, as you know, eat everything, the “digital artist” already lives in the latest iPhone models. It can be seen how the average youngster got rid of both cameras and video cameras, and lives well with smartphones. In any case, even employees of not only Internet media, but also television editors calmly swallow video reports and photos from smartphones. This digital artist already lives among us and cut off from us, like a separator, waste rock from ore. I think it's even very good.

  • Dmitriy

    And The Matrix, it turns out, is already coming. Whoever enjoys this is not me.

    • Arkady Shapoval

      She has already arrived. There is no spoon, but we can sell it to you on the best terms right now

  • Sergei

    And change the shutter speed in post-processing. You take 200 frames at 1/500 shutter speed, and then you glue together the required number of frames for the optimal balance between noise and shake.

    • Arkady Shapoval

      will be, as usual, “corrected in post-production”

      • Paul

        This, it seems to me, does not work for a number of reasons.
        Even if the camera records all the parameters of the scene by some miracle, then it won't get any easier :) anyway, the photographer's job will be to factorize a huge space of information to a significant minimum. It's like a raw diamond. It is very good that it exists, both large and born by nature, but by cutting it can be revealed, or it can be spoiled. The photograph is remarkable in that, out of the whole variety of space-time and options, it has fixed a semantic minimum that is exceptional and beautiful in its simplicity.

  • koba

    I wonder what they think about this at Leica? And the fact that it turns out that Pentax has almost sold out the entire circulation of its new K3 Mark 3 DSLR is quite interesting. Soon the cameras will move objects in the frame right during the shooting so that everything is right there and the frame immediately turns out to be a masterpiece and ready for the exhibition. But in this scenario, photography in general can lose its value, and the photographer as such becomes just a carrier and installer of the camera.

    • Arkady Shapoval

      And what was the circulation?

      • koba

        They themselves do not advertise the circulation, but usually in order to produce and recoup such a complex product, it is required to produce at least 50000 copies. Or you can make 10-15000 like Leica does, but then the retail price skyrockets. There is also such a moment - if you manage to sell the entire circulation during the first year or even faster, then the net income increases to a maximum, since from the second year the manufacturer is forced to give discounts to dealers. Personally, I don't think that 50000 or 10000 make a pagoda in the industry, rather it is a good option for the manufacturer himself. Pentax recently announced that it will not stop producing SLR cameras, meaning that it intends to remain essentially the only manufacturer of such cameras in the near future, for a small part of consumers.

    • Jea reth

      Leica, as always, has its own point of view)

    • Joe

      >and the photographer as such will become just a carrier and installer of the camera.
      Apparently, you are not familiar with the process of high-budget photography.
      The photographer can no longer carry and install the camera for a long time.
      The assistant will be fine with this.
      Camera settings (including the shooting mode, aperture value, shutter speed, signal gain) can be handled by a separate specialist, let's call him a “camera manager”.
      Installation of light - another specialist (light operator).
      Work with props, models, make-up, clothing, transport issues can also be handled by individual specialists.
      A separate manager can organize the joint work of all those mentioned.
      In fact, the photographer may not even pick up the camera, it may be mounted on a tripod, or the photographer may have a remote control with a single shutter button.
      Copying, selection, image processing, backups, sending files to customers, printing (if required) can also be handled by individual specialists.

      Nevertheless, the photographer remains the first person in everything that happens before, during, and after the shooting for one simple reason - he takes responsibility for the result.

      • Vladimir

        And I would say that the main light operator here!

      • koba

        Imagine that I am familiar with such shooting, moreover, I myself took part in such shootings many years ago, then we shot on large-format film (until about 2003), but in such cases the photographer manages the overall process, he plans everything , and in the end implements everything at the final stage of shooting, but in the future it will be possible to stop thinking, artificial intelligence will think everything through and finish thinking, you just need to give it a task ...

      • Seladir

        It sounds like something out of postmodernism to me.
        And how can you be responsible for something if you do not influence anything? And if the influence was in the selection of personnel, then this is already a recruiter, not a photographer.

  • Hairy mirror

    However, the photographer remains the first protagonist in everything that happens before, during, and after the shooting for one simple reason - this whole team still has work to do ;D
    “Fso guys, we’ve arrived” if someone didn’t understand, it’s time to either sell photo trash or preserve it as an investment), after the production of civilian photographic equipment stops, due to a complete drop in demand, after a while it will be possible to sell your legendary pieces of iron for much more )
    Image libraries, like image processing power, are growing exponentially. Once everyone was convinced that a computer could not beat a grandmaster in chess, because ... ..
    Now not a single grandmaster even “rocks”
    Welcome to the "digital concentration camp" gentlemen! Well, ladies, by the way, the same, we are gentlemen, we will let them go ahead)
    PS: In recent years, we are especially carefully explained that: when looking for a new job, the ability to relearn will be the most valuable skill)
    I hope it was useful to someone)

  • VasilVasil

    Hello Arkady,
    I'm not sure that this topic is on the site, so I propose the topic “Estimating the cost of photographic equipment”. At least everyone does it individually, as well as buying / selling offices. I would like to hear opinions, at least I focus on mileage, external condition and release date (obsolescence of equipment and its transition to the category of antiques).

    • Arkady Shapoval

      valuation is not my profile

      • VasilVasil

        Then write here, in the comments, how YOU subjectively evaluate the cost of a used camera or lens and what are YOUR evaluation criteria. I assume that not all the equipment that you use is bought in a store. I think it will be interesting not only to me but to everyone who reads you.

        • Arkady Shapoval

          just like you described. This is a common life thing. Age, type, mileage, working conditions, accuracy of working out af and shutter speeds. There are no special subtleties here.

          • Vadiuhin

            And how to evaluate the accuracy of working out excerpts?

            • Arkady Shapoval

              by exposure, histogram

              • Vadiuhin

                I'm sorry, but apparently I'm not aware of this sorcery. If I shoot at a certain shutter speed, and then the same shutter speed is displayed in the info from the exif, is it really a guarantee that the one measured during the snapshot is displayed, and not transmitted from the settings that I chose? According to Instagram, I just don’t represent EXACT ways to check the spent excerpts. You can also see the relative exposure value - this frame is lighter than the previous one, etc.

              • Arkady Shapoval

                and this is not an accurate check, if the shutter speed is not worked out correctly, then this can be seen from the exposure, especially if you take a couple of shots. This refers to the exposure of the finished image, which is easiest to see from the histogram

      • VasilVasil

        Sorry, off topic. You can get an assessment of photo equipment, free of charge. Is it possible to multiply the result by 1,2-1,25 (they buy) and get the estimated price of the secondary market.
        There are no “special subtleties”, but there are features.

  • vvs

    Um. I think everything will be even worse.
    In the future, photographers will be replaced by a swarm of quadrocopters that will fly in, build a circle around the object and shoot in series. The footage can be edited into a video by choosing the desired angle, superimposing the object on other locations that were previously filmed.
    All creativity will shift to the conductor of this swarm, who will build the trajectories of approaching the object, rotations, angles, height.

    • Specialist

      “I think everything will be even worse.
      In the future, photographers will be replaced by a swarm of quadrocopters…” And the theater will surely die soon, and cinemas. We will watch holograms from the Internet at home.

  • Ivan

    Yeah! The present and the future of photography are terrible right now... That's why there are only a few photographers on earth now, and everything else that thinks that the photographer is just a creature from a matrix with one finger to hold the shutter button as long as possible. Why then the release button without fixation? Put the toggle switch - switched it and wait for the click - click - click. Why all these mirrorless cameras with a bunch of goodies that no one (from normal photography lovers) needs, except for technodrochers who don’t care about photography, the main thing for them is which eye the camera will focus on and how long it takes to click 100 frames and then post it on your blog and wait for more subscribers and more money from the blog! It is not clear why a photograph is needed in the form in which it is drawn by camera manufacturers? What is there, who clicks where and who generally watches this stupid advertising in photographs and other crap that is no longer published in magazines, but only on the Internet and which no one watches. Yes, photography has a very bright future...

    • Seladir

      It's good that you, a normal photography lover, can show your photos.

      • Ivan

        I rarely shoot. but aptly ... My photos are intended mainly for a narrow family circle ... I have no desire to post my photos for everyone to see and I don’t give a damn who and what will say about them, my main opinion is on this matter ... Although I have some of the photos on a certain topic is in the photo album on Yandex (although everything is so confused there now that I still don’t understand how even I can find this album myself, why all these deteriorations, moreover, in any area, it’s not clear. Apparently, in order to scare people away from such services. Personally, for this reason, I no longer want to use it). And all my friends who are related to such topics looked at my photos ... And to bathe for several days over some kind of fictitious plot, so that later it would not be clear who approved or disapproved of my idea - this is not mine ... This work wasted in vain. I don’t understand this… A photo should always bring some kind of moral benefit, and not be a disposable syringe!

        • Victor

          You present it in an exciting way.

    • PhotoCat

      Straight to the point. That's right, unfortunately.

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