Impressions of the Canon EOS RP

Canon EOSRP

Canon EOSRP

The Canon EOS RP was unveiled on February 13, 2019 and is Canon's second full-frame mirrorless camera. The first was Canon EOSpresented six months earlier. Canon EOS RP specifications can be viewed here... In this note, I will express only my brief impressions.

The whole point of the Canon EOS RP boils down to being the most affordable full-frame mirrorless camera on the market. Canon EOS RP is about a third cheaper than a fairly budgetary one Nikon z5 and about a third cheaper than the old woman Sony a7IIwhich is still can be found in some stores. Older camera Sony a7 in stores, the new one is no longer found.

Canon EOS RP user gets exactly what he paid for this camera. You shouldn't expect anything special from the budget full-frame camera. Likely Canon EOS RP is designed to attract to the system Canon EOS on the mount RF the largest possible number of users, because Canon EOS on the mount RF there is still no cropped camera line. Usually, some crop cameras are significantly cheaper than the most affordable full-frame solutions, which makes it easier and faster to expand the number of users of a particular system. Unlike other manufacturers, Canon's mirrorless solutions have split into full-frame Canon R line (with bayonet RF) and a cropped ruler Canon EOS M (with bayonet Ef-m). RF mounts and Ef-m not compatible. As a result, Canon is pulling on two separate mirrorless systems.

As for the Canon EOS RP, this is an exclusively amateur solution with a number of limitations. For the amateur photographer, the Canon EOS RP is a godsend. For the professional Canon EOS RP can be a torment, especially after switching from DSLRs as Canon EOS 5D Mark III or Canon EOS 5D Mark IV... First of all, I want to point out that the Canon EOS RP has created a new class of Canon cameras, I would describe it as entry-level amateur full-frame cameras... I like to divide cameras into rulers. Very conditionally, I would attribute Canon EOS RP to the level of cameras 100D -> 200D -> 250D... The only significant difference is that the Canon EOS RP is a full-frame mirrorless solution. Once again, I want to separately note that the overall level of equipment Canon EOS RP is lower than that of the lines of SLR cameras. Canon EOS 6D -> 6D Mark II, Canon EOS 7D -> 7D Mark II, not to mention the ruler Canon EOS 5D -> 5D Mark II -> 5D Mark III -> 5D Mark IV.

Canon EOS RP is a delicious cake for those who shot with cropped mirror solutions, which all (except 7D/7D Mark II) refer to the amateur segment and who wants to try the full frame.

The heart of the Canon EOS RP is the already fairly old 26MP CMOS sensor, similar to that used on Canon EOS 6D Mark II, announced back in 2017. By today's standards, this sensor is rather weak, first of all it has a low dynamic range. Compared to today's more advanced cameras, the original RAW files from the Canon EOS RP are difficult to manipulate with RAW converters.

To further deepen the clouds, it should be noted that the Canon EOS RP has many limitations:

  1. no built-in image stabilizer (you need to use optics with built-in image stabilizer)
  2. only electronic front curtain shutter is supported (without the possibility of turning on the mechanical one). Negatively affects the blur zone under certain conditions, the problem is described here
  3. only 4 f / s with active focusing, but when switching to a speed of 5 fps, focus is locked on the first frame
  4. to achieve 4K video quality, you need to force the use of additional 1.6X cropping
  5. while shooting 4K video, focusing is disabled using DUAL PIXEL technology and autofocus becomes available only by contrast
  6. sufficiently strong rolling tent, electronic stabilizer degrades the image
  7. Minimal excerpt 1/4000 second shutter excerpt sync 1/180 second
  8. weak battery
  9. and so on.

In general, I was pleased with the communication with the Canon EOS RP. In experienced hands, you can squeeze a lot from it. I can safely recommend the Canon EOS RP to all hobbyists who shoot with cropped SLR cameras. But for professionals and advanced amateurs, I would recommend looking for something more practical (for example, Canon EOS-R6, Nikon z5 or even the same Sony a7II). In any case, the Canon EOS RP is likely to become a 'people's' camera and delight a huge number of its users.

Sample Photos

On-camera JPEG without any settings manipulation. Standard Picture Control with zero corrections for sharpness, contrast and saturation ('AUTO 4 2 4 0 0 0). Image enhancing features have been disabled. Autofocus lens used Yongnuo 85mm 1: 1.8 DF DSM R.

Original RAW photos (compressed '.CR3') can be view / download from this link (Google Drive, 30+ photos). Original photos in JPEG format '.JPG' can be view / download from this link (Google Drive, 100+ photos).

For the gallery below, an autofocus lens was used. Yongnuo YnLens YN35mm F2R DF DSM.

Original RAW photos (compressed '.CR3') can be view / download from this link (Google Drive, 33 photos). Original photos in JPEG format '.JPG' can be view / download from this link (Google Drive, 40 photos).

An accurate and complete list of all Canon RF lenses:

Fixes:

  1. Canon Lens RF 5.2 mm F2.8 L DUAL FISHEYE [October 2021, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  2. Canon Lens RF 16 mm F2.8 STM [September 2021, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  3. Canon Lens RF 35 mm F1.8 MACRO IS STM [September 2018, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  4. Canon Lens RF 50 mm F1.8 STM [November 2020, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  5. Canon Lens RF 50 mm F1.2 L USM [September 2018, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  6. Canon Lens RF 85 mm F1.2 L USM [May 2019, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  7. Canon Lens RF 85 mm F1.2 L USM DS (DEFOCUS SMOOTHING) [October 2019, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  8. Canon Lens RF 85 mm F2 MACRO IS STM [July 2020, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  9. Canon Lens RF 100 mm F2.8 L MACRO IS USM SA CONTROL [April 2021, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  10. Canon Lens RF 400 mm F2.8 L IS USM [April 2021, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  11. Canon Lens RF 600 mm F11 IS STM [July 2020, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  12. Canon Lens RF 600 mm F4 L IS USM [April 2021, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  13. Canon Lens RF 800 mm F11 IS STM [July 2020, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  14. Canon Lens RF 800 mm F8 L IS USM [February 2022, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  15. Canon Lens RF 1200 mm F11 L IS USM [February 2022, The Amazon | BH Photo]

Zuma:

  1. Canon Lens RF 14-35mm F4 L IS USM [June 2021, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  2. Canon Lens RF 15-35mm F2.8 L IS USM [August 2019, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  3. Canon Lens RF 24-70mm F2.8 L IS USM [August 2019, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  4. Canon Lens RF 24-105mm F4 L IS USM [September 2018, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  5. Canon Lens RF 24-105mm F4-7.1 IS STM [February 2020, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  6. Canon Lens RF 24-240mm F4-6.3 IS USM [July 2019, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  7. Canon Lens RF 28-70mm F2 L USM [September 2018, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  8. Canon Lens RF 70-200mm F4 L IS USM [November 2020, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  9. Canon Lens RF 70-200mm F2.8 L IS USM [October 2019, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  10. Canon Lens RF 100-400mm F5.6-8 IS USM [September 2021, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  11. Canon Lens RF 100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM [July 2020, The Amazon | BH Photo]

XNUMXrd Party Autofocus Full Frame Canon RF Mount Lenses

List of all mirrorless cameras with Canon RF mount

  1. Canon EOS [September 2018, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  2. Canon EOS Ra [November 2019, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  3. Canon EOSRP [February 2019, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  4. Canon EOS-R3 [April 2021, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  5. Canon EOS-R5 [July 2020, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  6. Canon EOS R5C [January 2022, The Amazon | BH Photo]
  7. Canon EOS-R6 [July 2020, The Amazon | BH Photo]

Materials on the topic

  1. Full frame mirrorless systems... Discussion, choice, recommendations.
  2. Cropped mirrorless systems... Discussion, choice, recommendations.
  3. Cropped mirrorless systems that have stopped or are no longer developing
  4. Digital SLR systems that have stopped or are no longer developing
  5. JVI or EVI (an important article that answers the question 'DSLR or mirrorless')
  6. About mirrorless batteries
  7. Simple and clear medium format
  8. High-speed solutions from Chinese brands
  9. All fastest autofocus zoom lenses
  10. All fastest AF prime lenses
  11. Mirrored full frame on mirrorless medium format
  12. Autofocus Speed ​​Boosters
  13. One lens to rule the world
  14. The impact of smartphones on the photography market
  15. What's next (smartphone supremacy)?
  16. All announcements and novelties of lenses and cameras
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Comments: 119, on topic: Impressions of the Canon EOS RP

  • Nicholas

    Thank you so much for the article, and I want to ask for advice.
    Now I want to upgrade to a full frame from my Nikon D5100, I want FF first of all for landscapes, shooting a sunset, night shooting of the starry sky on a tripod (it is desirable that the usable ISO is higher)
    I considered all used ear and UPC full-frames with a price tag of up to 20k hryvnia (Nikon D600 / 750/800, Canon 5DM2 / 6D, Sony A7, etc.), but most of them are very overused and with huge mileage, but despite this worth dofiga.
    Do you think it might be better to report a few thousand and take a new Canon RP? Or will the same Nikon D600 be no worse? Thanks in advance for your reply

    • Oleg

      For landscapes, definitely 600 :) excellent dynamic range and good color (taste is certainly not a problem in skillful hands, but I really don't like this matrix). And the price for the used and optics (if there is no need to indulge in different old "legends), everything will be easier. The only negative is the size ...

      • Sandro

        The size and weight of a landscape camera kit is the most critical parameter.
        First of all, because a tripod is highly desirable for a landscape, a scattering of light filters and the ability to run a lot and quickly. ;)

        • Nicholas

          Sandro and Oleg, thanks for the answers!
          As you know, “the best camera is the one with you”, but I'm not particularly picky in terms of size, weight, etc. I dragged and carry a tripod, a few bags and everything is fine)
          But still, if in terms of image quality and other characteristics the RP is not much worse than the other cameras I have listed, and not much more expensive, then I will certainly prefer the RP as a more compact option. But if the same Nikon D600, D750 or Canon's penny / pole is seriously better than RP in terms of DD, working ISO, color depth, etc., then I will not hesitate to take them despite the size and weight

    • Sandro

      It all depends on your optics preference. In general, for a landscape just under rp there is now an excellent set of RF 50 / 1.8, 16 / 1.8 and 24-105 stm.
      These are cheap amateur lenses of decent optical quality and minimal weight. A similar kit for a Nikon DSLR will require significantly more space and weight

      In addition, the mirrorless has less tripod weight requirements and is much easier to operate on a tripod.

      If you prefer optics with manual focus, the RP will support almost any old optics and, due to the highlighting of the focus area (picking), it is much more convenient to use.

      • Arkady Shapoval

        The person considers the minimum budgets. The new RF 50 / 1.8, 16 / 1.8 and 24-105 stm are too tough for him after RP

        • Sandro

          I would like to believe that the author chooses a camera with the knowledge that the optics for it will also cost some money. If not, then maybe you don't need to crawl out of the crop, but think more about expanding the optics fleet?

          Actually, personally, I would prefer to take a canon rp or nikon z5 even on the secondary, if only because wedding bombiles do not use such cameras and they are obviously in better condition.

          • Nicholas

            Thank you for your reply!
            I understand that optics will cost money, but I am counting primarily on more affordable second-hand manuals

            As for getting out of the crop, it is inevitable, since for me the main problem of the crop is that it is more problematic to take pictures of the starry sky on it because of the so-called “600/500 rule”. The same 16mm lens on the crop becomes 24mm, and this shortens the exposure time until the stars begin to turn into tracks. Yes, and most FF cameras have a working ISO and other characteristics better than crop

    • Oleg

      You won't be able to add a couple of thousand to 20 thousand UAH to buy a new RP. Its price in some stores is 25-27 thousand UAH - this is without an adapter for EF lenses. Therefore, you will have to buy only new lenses for the RF mount, that is, there are still considerable additional costs, even if you take not Canon, but, for example, Meike. You can, of course, buy a non-native adapter, which is much cheaper, but it's still + a couple of thousand.

      • Nicholas

        Thank you for your reply!
        Of course, I expressed myself somewhat inaccurately about “a couple of thousand”)
        I meant that all used FFs from my list (except for the D600 and Canon's penny) cost about 23-25k hryvnia in good condition. Therefore, I got the idea to report a few thousand and buy a new RP, for the price you said
        I am also aware of adapters and optics, and I am not chasing a new thing - I am quite satisfied with used manuals, the main thing is that they are optically good

    • Alexey

      I bought it as a first fotik and overall ff 610 this summer and can be found in good condition for a reasonable price, just in your budget.
      I took it for 45 thousand rubles (+ -your budget in hryvnia) with a run of 6 thousand frames, in perfect condition + 2 sd Sony cards with a bonus of 128 GB are not quite budgetary. The man just bought it, pampered a little and as a result, the fotik simply lay on his shelf for several years.
      True, this is without optics.
      I shoot in conjunction with a tamron 35 1.4, incredibly happy

      • Nicholas

        Thanks for the advice!

    • Artem

      I have a Nikon D5200 and additionally bought a Nikon Z50 with an FTZ adapter. I will say that the bzk crop with the new firmware will pleasantly surprise you: eye autofocus, zebra crossing, transferring images to a tablet lying in a backpack behind your back, control from a smartphone / tablet as a remote control and a screen in one bottle, 4k video, image sharpness on the order will become higher, better work in the dark, rubbery RAW, and so on. The price is low per carcass

      • Artem

        + all old optics will still serve, and the focusing speed and accuracy will increase. Back focus will pass like a bad dream.

      • Nicholas

        Thank you for your reply!
        A little higher, in Sandro's answer, I have already described why I need FF. Autofocus on the eyes, transfer of images, control from a smartphone (there is already a remote control) are not particularly interesting to me. But 4K video and good RAW would not hurt me, so I wondered if I should take RP. Still, all Nikons on my list have Full HD videos, not 4K. Yes, the characteristics of the matrices (DD, color depth) they have better, but in principle I do not mind sacrificing this in order to take a new device

        • Oleg

          4K video RP shoots with a crop factor. Consider this.

    • Alexander

      he himself not so long ago migrated from d5100, but to nikon z5.
      migrating from nikon to kenon is like being straight and then something changed in life.
      and in addition, the canon was not considered, since the R version is an order of magnitude more expensive than the z5, while clearly inferior to him in my opinion.
      Well, RP has nothing to say here .. it's not at all understand what.
      in a budget of up to 20k as you write it is really possible to take d610 or even d750.
      but there is a problem, their runs are indecent and they still ask for money like in a durk for them ..
      the camera has a shutter resource of 150 thousand .. people put up for sale a carcass of 200k mileage and ask 15k for it .. just inadequate. Just write your price to the seller, if he is not a fool, then there will be a normal adequate bargaining, because he understands that the time of these cameras is up and he is already looking at the purchase (or has already bought) a bezarkalny carcass.

      • "Joe"

        Canon EOS R is an order of magnitude more expensive than Nikon Z5?
        We look at the prices on bhphotovideo: $ 1296,95 and $ 1599, respectively, that is, the difference = $ 302,05.
        It turns out that the Canon EOS R is 23,29% more expensive than the Nikon Z5.
        For reference, “an order of magnitude more expensive” is 10 times, that is, Canon EOS R, according to you, should cost about 13 thousand dollars.

        When comparing cameras, of course, not only the price and technical characteristics can be taken into account (for some of which the Canon EOS R looks preferable to the Nikon Z5). But to build comparisons and give an assessment literally at the level of “don't understand what” is at least incorrect. Moreover, you probably have no practical experience of using Canon EOS RP.

        And the most curious thing is your thought about the preferability of buying an old Nikon model instead of any new camera (for a slightly higher price), despite the fact that, according to your experience, these old Nikons are sold not cheaply, and in a state when the shutter resource is almost exhausted ... Excellent logic.

        • "Joe"

          Price clarification: Nikon Z5 = $ 1296,95 and Canon EOS R = $ 1599.

        • Victor

          It is clear that it gives you joy to cling to the words of the interlocutors, but after all, any adequate person understands that “by an order of magnitude” literally means not “10 times”, but “significantly”.

          And regarding the superiority of the technical characteristics of the EOS R - as a rule, most of the technical characteristics are completely leveled by the experience of the shooter, which can be clearly seen in this example https://www.flickr.com/photos/man_from_siberia/51340608410/

          There is an exif, shot with the EOS R - that's all there is to say about this shot. The same could be obtained on a smartphone.

          In general, the RP really functionally could be equated with the a3500 - a kind of entry-level camera for beginners (adjusted for the difference in prices, of course)

          • Andrii

            “By an order of magnitude” means 10 times, not significantly.

            • Victor

              In mathematical terms, yes.

              If one reads what people write, it becomes clear to the normal (I emphasize - normal) when reading this expression that it means “significantly”, despite the mathematically incorrect use. And this is "significant" for each his own, for someone and three hundred dollars is a significant amount.

              The literary experts will certainly disagree.

              • Andrii

                Upon reading this expression, it immediately becomes clear that these "normal" do not know its meaning and meaning. No more, no less. And here it is not a matter of literalism, but of a weak education.

              • Trueash

                >> And this is "significant" for each his own, someone and three hundred dollars is a significant amount - Exactly. Therefore, “by an order of magnitude” is not “for each his own”, but “10 times”.

              • Victor

                The point is EXACTLY in literalism. No more, no less.

              • Victor

                If we talk about poor education, then the construction “it becomes clear that ...” is clearly not in your favor :-)

              • Andrei

                “Not in your favor” - can you list all those to whom you are addressing?

              • Human

                I don’t consider myself a literalist (I’m mistaken), but I agree with the fact that “by an order of magnitude” is 10 times. It's just that those who do not know this intuitively invent something in their head, so a very specific statement becomes something vague “dependent on perception”.

                PS I had something like this in childhood, for some reason I did not know what a “couple” is, and in my brain, when someone said “well, I'll take a couple more pieces”, I saw it as about 3-5))

              • Victor

                Obviously, an appeal to those who used the indicated construction, as well as the concept of "weak education".

              • Arkady Shapoval

                comrades stop

              • Victor

                2Person: Of course, I know what it is “by an order of magnitude” :) And nevertheless, I understand what a person meant when he used such an expression in the context of “much more expensive” (for someone who used, of course, this difference will seem kopecks)

                But there are those who will not be able to sleep peacefully if they do not try to find fault with such trifles.

              • Victor

                >> stop

                Finished, let everyone stay with their own) I got carried away because of intolerance to literalism.

      • Nicholas

        Thank you for your reply!
        As for the transition from Nikon to Boot, it will be easy for me, since I used and only use the whale and Arsat 2/50 (the same Helios-81N, only produced after the collapse of the USSR). So the adapter and normal used / ear manuals should solve most of the issues.
        As for the prices of used fullframes, I also agree, you described the situation with perfect accuracy, so I started looking at the RP Boot as an alternative for about the same money

      • Maksim

        I bought a used Nikon d610 a month ago, with a mileage of 35 thousand shots. For adequate money, in my opinion. After Nikon d3100, it's just something unthinkable. Working ISO on FF after the budget crop, some kind of fantasy. Now I'm shooting on youngnow 50 and 35 mm fixes.

    • alexey_laa

      I recently bought myself an inexpensive “full frame” for amateur photography - Nikon D600. Thanks to Arkady - I turned to him a couple of times for advice, some information was useful for me as for someone who had never shot with Nikon and SLR cameras in general :) (my main camera is a Panasonic Lumix DMC-G80). When I was choosing a camera, I was interested in the image that a full-frame camera and lenses give. Nikon D600 was sold to me at a very low price. It is quite possible to use it, although in terms of the appearance and the shutter resource, the camera has already worked its way. It took me a long time to figure out autofocus. I tried to shoot buildings with evening façade illumination on the D600 - I liked the ability to shoot with an exposure of -2EV and draw out shadows well. There is also relatively little noise at high ISOs.

      • Nicholas

        Thanks for the advice!

  • 11

    And it's good that the cropped mount is different. So at least the optics and the cameras themselves can be made more compact. I was always infuriated by the topic of crop on a full-frame mount, when under the crop everything goes according to the residual principle. I'm not saying that Canon is actively developing the M mount, but at least on the P mount, everything is under the same sensor size.
    Here Nikon with his 50-koy with a huge hole and a small matrix, of course, upset. And the line of lenses for this matrix is ​​matched, one is more fantastic than the other. And honey agarics need to differentiate the pants when buying and do not accidentally buy the wrong thing.

    • Sandro

      The EOS M is a great system if the quality of the sensor is good enough for these cameras. Well, if you take at least m5, m6 and m50 as a camera, and not older and younger models.

      • Vlad

        A good crop system is Sony: there are a lot of good optics for it - both native and third-party manufacturers. From Jungnow to Zeiss. Plus, you can screw the FF glass. And efm in this planet is a poor relative

        • "Joe"

          There are 74 EF-M mount lenses, here's the list: https://lesdeuxpiedsdehors.com/en/canon-ef-m-lens-list/
          If this is not enough, then any EF and EF-S lenses can be used via an adapter.
          “Poor relative,” well, well.

          • Victor

            Of course poor.

            Under Sony there are already two autofocus zooms with a native mount and f / 2.8, while Canon has none.

            • Rodion

              EF-M has a pancake to rule the world.

            • "Joe"

              If you measure the usefulness of cameras in some invented zooms on the go, then in response I can say that for the Canon mirror crop there are as many as two autofocus zooms with a native mount and aperture 1.8 (Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM | Art and 50-100mm F1.8 DC HSM | Art, if anyone does not know), but for Sony - none, and on this basis, claim that Sony's mirrorless crop is some kind of flawed system.

              • Victor

                These are not “invented” zooms on the go, but quite real ones and, it should be noted, have excellent optical quality, in contrast to the “native” zoom for EF-s 17-55 SLR systems.
                You can tell real users of these lenses about 18-35 and 50-100 at Canon, for example, with 80d, so they will laugh.

              • Victor

                That's even if you don't even remember that so far (!!) not a single canon crop cannon has a built-in stub, the only one has an electronic shutter, none of the existing canon crop cameras captures normal 4k video, etc.
                The relative is still poor, yes.

              • Rodion

                The EF-M also has advantages associated with the shortest operating distance among the UPC and the widest die shaft, which again makes it "omnivorous" for third-party optics.

              • Victor

                Rodion, it seems like Sony E has the same RO, the bayonet diameter is larger, and the shaft is definitely not less.

                Correct me if I am mistaken.

              • Rodion

                Well, yes, RO is from the same as that of Sonya, I was mistaken. But one way or another, the Ju-12 gets up on the EF-M and does not get up on the cropped Sonya. That is, it is more convenient to work with optics with extreme ZFOs. But again, the masses do not need it)

              • Arkady Shapoval

                I don’t see any enthusiasts at all since ju-12

              • Rodion

                Well, yes (((((((

          • Arkady Shapoval

            in fact - very poor, because there are only 16 (sixteen) autofocus solutions with an EFM mount, and they are all listed here https://radojuva.com/2009/07/canon-eos-ef-m/

        • Sandro

          This is theory in its purest form. In practice, for a cheap aps-c mirrorless camera, a super compact set of ef-m obtik and a native adapter for mirror optics with ideal af is more than enough.

          In general, it seems that only canon have not forgotten that mirrorless is primarily a compact alternative.

  • Alexey

    Wonderful camera, I have already 2 rocks. RP zavdyaki having tried over 60 old manual devices with bagatma bayonets - Kenon FD, Nikon F, Minolta MD, M42, Konika AR, DKL. Advance the zone and focus and increase up to 10 times, at the same time with the pop-up screen will help you. Only a few serious shortcomings - a weak battery (so for 200-300 frames) and the visibility of a built-in stabilizer. The matrix is ​​also yak 6d mark2, format kenonivska transfer of koloriv, ​​for my amateur tasks - a practically ideal camera. It is more beautiful than R5 and R6. Before that, there was a link to the EOS buv in the kit, there were some problems with the new optics. Until tsih bouv Nikon J1, with a second frame is not anywhere in the picture.

    • in

      RP for its money is a good camera, but if you look at the competitors, then RP is outdated and cut off

    • Alexander Pivovar

      It is more suitable. So, there is a shortage in the Republic of Poland vistachak, ale and a good bagato.
      Mayu at once Nikon D610 is a miraculous camera. Ale for the woman, won, appeared with an uncomfortable importance.
      For the first time in the rock we were given a Canon RP with RF 35mm F1.8 Macro IS STM - and if the RP didn’t hit the D610, then the woman died in Kenon. It was worthy of a low vaga, permanent LiveView, WiFi and simplicity of victorious. The woman, with great satisfaction, took RP for walks, photographed in JPEG (and it's really good here) and immediately posted signs in social media in the distance via a smartphone.
      Now our family is planning to buy a mirrorless camera. Aleh sooner for all of her will be the Z5 from FTZ, and some of the Nikon AF-S monstrous systems.

  • Sandro

    Question to the author: what specific limitations of the camera for photography will not allow her to use the so-called. "Advanced amateurs". Also, that the manufacturer of the camera does not guarantee that it will be protected when operating in the rain or snowstorm?
    With professionals, everything is clear. Burst speed is definitely not for bombing. ;)

    • Oleg

      How to pull the shadows. Pull pull pull we can’t pull it out.

      • Sandro

        If you need to draw shadows by more than a stop, then you do not need to change the camera, but the approach to the exposure of the frame.
        Stop-and-a-half you pull out of any fullframe.

    • Arkady Shapoval

      The advanced amateur has already told something in his life and RP in general can be a serious disappointment for him.

      • Sandro

        This reminds me of Olegas, who spat on rp a year ago, and in recent videos began to praise her as a travel camera.

        If an advanced amateur has seen a lot in his life, for example, nikon d40, then rp will definitely not disappoint him. ;)

        I now have both canon r and canon rp. I only use R for reportage, staged portraits, and tilt-shift architecture.
        RP for all filming that doesn't need big, heavy glasses or hell of a battery life. That is, in fact, for advanced amateur tasks. In addition, in about a year, rp can be taken on the secondary housing as a very inexpensive amateur camera, which (unlike other full frames) will not be used by weddings and others.

  • Human

    For example

  • Victor

    Full frame A3500? :)

    • Arkady Shapoval

      what?

    • Rodion

      If I shot only in RAW + JPEG, then it would be)) 0

      • Arkady Shapoval

        now it is clear, this is a reference to the a3000, which mows under a DSLR, and rp, apparently, mows under a professional "camera"

  • Oleg

    By the way, RP is much inferior in parameters to the cheapest full frame Nikon Z5 - stronger than the difference in price between them. If you do not take into account the fundamental love for a particular brand or the presence of an optics park, perhaps the Z5 is preferable for those who want to switch to a new full frame with the least financial investment.

    Or wait 4-5 years, when full-frame bzs will appear on the market at an adequate price, and not close to new cameras.

  • Alexander Pivovar

    I fully agree with Arkady. RP is a great camera for the hobbyist. The low price and a large number of EF optics "on hand" make it a very, very tempting purchase. I was personally very pleased with the Canon RP + RF 35mm 1.8 IS STM stage. Ultra compact and lightweight bundle for everything. And having bought some more 85mm portrait, you can fully enjoy the mirrorless full frame. For an amateur - behind the eyes.

    • Sandro

      So far, everything is sad with the portetniki there. Everything that is looks like bricks, and the native RF 85/2 is just beyond good and evil ...

      There is a lack of an analogue of samyang 75mm 1.8 for Sony.

      • Alexander Pivovar

        There is also an adapter for EF. The camera works well with the EF 85mm F1.8 USM, so I see no problems. Nikon Z has the same situation

        • Arkady Shapoval

          At Nikon Z the situation with optics for SLR cameras is worse, since their adapter limited the work with AF-lenses (both native and from third-party manufacturers). That is, there is no possibility, for example, to use autofocus with the legendary 135 / 2D DC AF, 105 / 2D DC AF, 180 / 2.8 AF, 28 / 1.4D AF and just budget solutions like 50 / 1.4D AF, 50 / 1.8D AF, 35 / 2.0D AF (pain and suffering!) Etc.
          All native and the vast majority of non-native mirror optics under EF work for Canon through an adapter.

          • Alexander Pivovar

            I agree, there is a problem with Nikon. Kenon is better. But, the presence of support for AF-S lenses is already good.
            I now have a Nikon D610 with 3 lenses. Two will work with FTZ: 24-85mm VR and 85mm 1.8G. The only problem is with the old-school AF 70-210 F4, but I have already found a replacement for it: Tamron 70-210mm F4 VC USD - which works with Z-kami after the update.

          • Nicholas

            But we must pay tribute - the situation with the fleet of optics for the Z line is changing. Quite budget versions appear. Of course, it's a pity for the old AF lenses ... But perhaps their time has passed, or not, their time has passed under the new format. But no one forbids using them with carcasses of their contemporaries. Moreover, on our secondary housing (I just oh ... renal) Nikon D850 - Horror USD 1,362 (proof - https://www.kijiji.ca/v-camera-camcorder-lens/calgary/nikon-d850-body-great-condition/1598350634). When I switched to Z7II I sold 135 DC2. Really it was a pity ... But he does not pull 45 Mp. Many lenses, even AF-S lenses, turned out to be very weak in resolution. So far, only the Nikon 500mm 5.6 PF remains from the AFSs. Love forever :), well, or until the analogue z appears. Do not confuse times - this time and of course, as in acoustics - the cost of an amplifier (carcass) is about a third of the cost of speakers (lenses). For the price and quality blank. This is type two. Something like this. They just washed out loud.

            • Arkady Shapoval

              Everything is relative. The same “weak” 50 / 1.8D on the D850 on the closed side is difficult to distinguish from something more substantial. It would be the same on the Z7 / Z7ii.

  • Kiril Yankovoy

    I downloaded the raves, twisted it, and unexpectedly the Chinese lenses turned out to be very good. I didn’t even expect that on the open it is no worse than my 5 dm3 and 85 / 1.8 ycm, and the 35 is good. Do you get paid extra that the RP review contains pictures for Chinese lenses?

    • Arkady Shapoval

      Everything is very relative. There should have been a comment from user R2D2, but the stop-word filter did not pass it. So these lenses seemed terrible to him.

      As for RP, this is not a review, but an impression. I have not done detailed camera reviews lately, as this is a very difficult and ignoble business. Modern cameras have a lot of functions that I am simply too lazy to describe. In this impression, I wanted to convey an idea from the class of this camera, from which it is necessary to start “dancing” when analyzing it.

      As for the surcharge - no, they don’t pay extra. Here on Radozhiv, not a single review of photographic equipment has been paid for. Although, I should note that some Chinese manufacturers make it easier - they give the equipment for review without the need to return. It is very convenient to do such reviews, as there is no need to rush to return. Fortunately, the requirements of the Chinese marketing department are quite simple - you need sample photos and social media posts. I am free to write whatever I want. But, unfortunately, for example, after the review of 7artisans 35 / 0.95, where I uncovered a deception with aperture ratio, 7artisans no longer cooperate with me. The same goes for Pergear 12/2, where the review has horror in the corners of the frame. The same applies to some other manufacturers, for example, IRIX, for which it is too expensive to send the lens for review (meaning the fee for sending the lens in both directions, last time it cost about $ 300).

      Big brands, of course, do not allow themselves this, since the number of Radozhiva's readers for them is less than a drop in the ocean.

      • Arthur

        Arkady, please tell me where you can get acquainted in detail with the functionality of rp (in the menu, each section is considered to be). If you know this, of course))

        • Arkady Shapoval

          Yes, it is known. The instruction gives very good information, the most thorough.

  • Oleg

    Take a new RP than a boo SLR. It will definitely be better with manual ones, simply because many do not work on a DSLR due to the difference in the working distance. Then look, buy for 5-6 thousand UAH 55/58 f1.2 FD or FL and you will get a thrill from the process and the result (if you have enough patience). These are the most affordable options with such aperture for a full frame, and they do not fully work on DSLRs. Maybe they will rise in price later, because they can be relatively inexpensive now, because they are not suitable for owners of DSLRs.

    • Nicholas

      I didn’t like 50 1.2, left 1.4 fd

      • Gregor_S

        yes, 50 / 1.4 FD is very good

    • Nicholas

      Thank you for your reply!

  • anonym

    and I'm looking at sony a7c. who knows, tell me what it has with the dynamic range, the noise of the matrix (relative to alternatives and competitors with equal ISO) and in general how convenient it is when used with almost exclusively manual optics?

    is there anything radically better or is this an ok choice?

    • Nicholas

      if not native optics are used, my resolution was reduced to 6 megapixels on a7c

      • Nicholas

        a7s

    • Rodion

      The camera is quite comfortable, you can get used to it (grip after DSLRs sucks). There is an electronic shutter (absolutely silent). Norm writes videos in FHD. ISO is quite working up to ~ 24k, more is rarely needed. Due to the resolution of the matrix, it is not very demanding for optics, no color shift. As for Nikolai's comment, I did not understand why the resolution is reduced to 6 megapixels there) it gives 6 megapixels in the APS-C mode, which is turned on either automatically when the optics for the crop are recognized, or you can manually switch it. JVI / EVI can also be switched by the proximity sensor or by hand. The sensor sometimes fades with me, it also often reacts falsely if you shoot with the screen unfolded. In short, infinite. The EVI has a magnifying glass, I like the principle of operation less than my previous Canon 600D camera. I use picking very rarely, it doesn't really help, as it seems to me. Important: you need to develop it in the Republic of Latvia, not in IE. In IE, DD is cut very much, there are articles on the Internet about this. Not so long ago I discovered this effect myself.
      Considering that the camera costs $ 400-500 on the secondary housing - the topic is normal if 12 megapixels are not intimidating.

      • Victor

        Judging by the Latin symbol in the name, we are most likely talking about the A7C 2021 release :-)

      • anonym

        here it is necessary to clarify the model: I was interested in the A7C (which is compact, with a viewfinder on the side), and not the A7S.

        I misunderstood something about aps-c too. how so crop up to 6 megapixels? because if the full frame is 24 megapixels, then the crop area of ​​the APS-C should be about 10 megapixels, if you count in proportion to the area of ​​the frame. Well, that is, if you shoot in a full frame, and then stupidly crop in the editor, you get about 10 megapixels in the cropped area.

        but in general they raised an interesting question. Now I have a NEX-6, which has a 16MP APS-C sensor, and now I wondered if the decrease in pixel density (in terms of the number of pixels per unit area of ​​the sensor) would be a step backward on the A7C compared to the NEX-6? on the other hand, considering mainly manual optics, and moreover, old optics, this will probably only be a plus.

        • Human

          about 6MP there was a statement about the A7S, this is sony well done, of course, to call the cameras the same.

          About pixel density, as for me - in practice it is not noticeable at all. No matter how much I looked at pictures from Canon 90D (32MP crop) comparing them with 12 ff and 6th crop, I did not notice any advantages of BOLD pixels, and almost no one sees them judging by the forums, apparently this is the lot of only meters of photography.

          • Rodion

            For me personally, the biggest plus of the fat pixel at ff 12 MP is the ability to use optics with an extremely small back focal segment without color shift. You can remember how much 7artisans 35 / 1.2 shifts on small-pixel matrices (20 Mp A3500) - I don't want this)
            Another of the pluses, which are on the verge of good and evil, are small file sizes and fast processing.

            • anonym

              Oh, I have almost all of these optics. I specially selected for the sake of compactness one where an adapter of minimum thickness is needed.

              the leaders here are my favorite olympus pen-f system (but these, however, reliably cover only half of the frame, because they were designed as a half-frame system). rangefinder M39 are also very compact, but somehow I haven't accumulated a lot of optics for this system.
              the next ones are konika hexanon ar, there, too, everything turns out pretty compactly and at the same time full frame and a bunch of good lenses are available at a relatively low price, although, of course, the focus and aperture control is much less convenient than that of pen-f.

              • Rodion

                Konica AR is a mirror system, it does not give much advantage in compactness. The distance there is at least 34 mm for the optics. Whether it's all sorts of modern artisans with their ~ 20 mm or even the ancient Soviet Jupiter-12, recessed into the camera entirely (~ 7 mm) ... By the way, I recently saw on Avito a Yu-12 with a sharpened rear lens so that it would fit into the matrix shaft APS-C cameras.

          • Seladir

            > call cameras the same

            It can be perceived this way only if the knowledge of the alphabet at the level "es as a dollar" x)

            Sensitivity and Compact, I guess.

            • Human

              Yeah, Latvia and Lithuania, Austria and Australia, Zelenogradsk and Zelenogorsk, 🧅 and 🏹, Canon 7D, Nikon Z7, Sony A7, NEX7, Minolta 7D, Pentax K7, Fujifilm A7, etc.

              who has a really rich vocabulary of designations

      • anonym

        by the way, about the rabbis. LR, as I guess, is lightroom, and IE has no idea what it is at all.

        but both are irrelevant for me. I have a choice between rawtherapee and darktable, of which I am used to using the first :). for rabbis from nex-6 works well.

        • Human

          IE is Imaging Edge, a bundle of Viwer & Edit spesial for Sony

      • Human

        By the way, this miracle sensor broke down completely. There is also an interesting moment when you turn it off from time to time, regardless of what was filmed, a photo or 4K, it sometimes clicks the shutter, I read somewhere that this is how broken pixels are meant, isn't it?

        • Rodion

          For me, this is also a mystery - why does she click the shutter after turning off. I didn’t understand.

          • anonym

            my prehistoric nex-6 also clicks the shutter at times after shutdown. mystery :).

            • Victor

              And my third nex clicks. And also not always.

      • Human

        Does RawTherapee cut DD too? Or is there no information about this? How can you check this at home?

        • Rodion

          I do not know. You can check it very simply. Shoot a frame with 2-3EV overexposure, then drag it to ImagingEdge and LR. Or, in your case, in RT and LR. Specifically, in the case of Sony cameras, Lightroom pulls out overexposure (specifically overexposure) many times better than Imaging Edge, which cannot work with overexposures at all. It was determined by me experimentally, when my friend pulled the photo much better than me, but I could not do the same in IE in any way. He did it in LR, then I was also able to reproduce his result. Then I googled on this topic - it turned out that the problem is known.

    • Victor

      If you focus on this rating
      https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/

      the sensor in the A7C is one of the best today in terms of the indicators you mentioned.

      The choice is quite ok.

    • Vlad

      The A7c is, in fact, a slightly simplified A7 3 in a more compact body. Read their comparisons and understand how critical the differences are for you (they are not too significant). If much cheaper and slightly worse - you can look at Nikon z5. Donate high ISO and rate of fire, but save $ 800

      • anonym

        Nikon needs to be seen, thanks. the rate of fire is not very fundamental, but high ISOs are essential when using old optics, although, however, the stub in the carcass (Sony has, but Nikon?) somewhat smoothes this matter.
        Compactness is important, I would not want to make the camera much larger than the NEX-6. the availability of adapters for the optics of different systems on sale is still in question, this will have to be bought all over again, mine are all under e-mount.

        for nex-6, when shooting with manual optics, I really miss a feature like “use shutter speed no shorter than X”. in the automatic ISO selection mode in the aperture priority mode (often this is the most convenient way), it brings the shutter speed to 1/60 s, after which it starts to raise the ISO, but for many lenses it is desirable to make the shutter speed limit shorter, in accordance with the FR of the lens, about which the camera, of course she cannot guess. Then you have to manually either set the desired ISO level, or switch to S mode, which is inconvenient with changing lighting. although you can adapt.

        I wonder if some of the current cameras have such a feature?

        • anonym

          * instead of “not shorter” read “not longer”. to avoid shaking.

        • Nicholas

          Compactness: on the attached photo
          Stab: Nikon Z5 has a five-axis stub in the carcass
          Adapters: are on sale and will have to be purchased

          • anonym

            oh, thanks for the tip of the site, where it was watched, it is necessary to look.

          • Vlad

            A7c is still noticeably more than nex-6. And much less than З5. But not so comfortable

            • anonym

              Well, there is nowhere to go too much. if you change nex-6 for something, then for fullframe, and among them a7c seems to be the most compact.

  • Novel

    Moved a year and a half ago from 6d, and RP has solid pluses (these are generally pluses of the EOS R system)
    Back / front focuses are not possible.
    The 6d actually had one focus point, the RP had focus across the entire field of the frame, a thousand points. In 6d, it literally constrained you in the foreshortenings / plots.
    Even more optics are supported, including FD optics, which have received a second life.
    Lack of autofocus on such glasses? It doesn't matter, there is focus picking.
    And the main thing about RP is its size. If you put 40mm on it, then not a single guard / policeman or anyone else will ever tell you “do not shoot! 1111 forbidden! 11 ”)) because in such a bundle the camera looks like a regular soap dish. This is a huge plus.
    At the same time, no one canceled the panoramas with which you can get a wide angle, and no one canceled the 1.6 crop mode if you need to grab something larger from 40mm. That is, for, for example, traveling, you replace heavy zooms like 24-70 with this pancake)) and it is more pleasant to carry a light camera.
    And yes, dynamic range. It depends on what to compare with. If the full-frame sensor of 2019 is not enough to get good photos, then it's not about the camera, but the photographer and his skills))
    I'm just a hobbyist, but this camera is awesome)

    • Novel

      Upd.
      About the dimensions. Not only a security guard, but also a certain potential robber will never think that it is expensive. This is if you are traveling to different not the richest countries))
      Or here's an example.
      A bunch of Nikon D5200 + Sigma 17-50 (also with a pale one) in Portugal, the security officials refused to admit to football, they probably feared that there was a hyperzoom for shooting football from the upper tier)))
      I had to take it to the storage room.
      RP is 2 times less and no one would think about it (with a pancake :)

    • Seladir

      > And yes, dynamic range. It depends on what to compare with. If the 2019 full-frame sensor isn't enough to get good photos

      The matrix there is related to the 6D Mark II of 2017. In which the DD is worse than in 6D, at least the shadows stretch worse. 6D - 2012. A bit back for a modern camera. And this is really a challenge for working in many genres. Sony A7R2 2015 makes a huge difference in terms of stretching shadows, only starting from R5 / R6 Canon caught up more or less.

    • Arthur

      + 100% to what was said. Also a bunch.

  • Mr. boggy

    It seems like the time of miracles has come, the back-front is no longer relevant, everything flies, but there is nowhere else to compactly ... But the pictures from the UPC are rather weak, in addition to this matrix, which everyone knows, I see that the sharpness is soapy, something is missing. Perhaps the fact is that the UPC work as a video and on a constantly switched on matrix, plus sensors and so on on it. For DSLRs, the matrix opens and turns on at the time of exposure and shooting, and perhaps this is why the ancient 5D MKII took sharper and better pictures, the network is full of examples. And the FF does not give a win for this camera; Even the first R is worse in terms of sharpness and realism than the 5d mark4, and precisely because of the included matrix of the mirrorless system. The only UPC that amazed me was the Fudzh 50th crop of the SF, which still has a rangefinder-style body, it even has a fully working inside chamber, editors can only be turned on for complex jobs. Street photography and street portraits there are very easy to work with, the main thing is not to drive the model completely into the shade or under the Christmas trees.)))

    • Arkady Shapoval

      Everything is relative. At the bzk, you can turn on a fully mechanical shutter and it will be the same as on the ZK. True, for this RP, only the rear curtain can be mechanical, but this does not play a special role, because the ZK has had this method since 1999 (for example, the first Nikon D1, D1H, D70, D70s, etc.) and there users did not even know that the front curtain electronic.

    • "Joe"

      >But the pictures from the UPC are rather weak, in addition to this matrix, which everyone knows, I see that the sharpness is a bit soapy, something is missing.
      >ancient 5D mkII took sharper and better pictures, the net is full of examples
      > Even the first R is worse in terms of sharpness and realism of the picture than 5d mark4, and it is precisely because of the included matrix of the mirrorless system
      What fairy tales are you telling?
      Everything is fine with mirrorless cameras with quality, as well as with SLRs, provided that both are used correctly with serviceable high-quality lenses.

    • Gregor_S

      “But the pictures from the UPC are rather weak, in addition to this matrix, which everyone knows ...”

      It's funny
      but no one seems to know this except you.

      • Mr. boggy

        It’s better for you, you know less, stronger ... You hold the camera.))) According to the examples in the test, Arkady has good pictures, angles, and a baby photo is excellent. But the pictures themselves are so-so in quality, it is clear that the processor worked with sharpness, crushing the noise of the live view of the matrix mode, and then restored it to an acceptable level. The wow effect is not visible, although this is a novelty. The same 5Dmk2, this mammoth, shot much better both in color and in sharpness.

  • Arthur

    For me, after 600 d, it’s just fantastic rp. I can’t stand it when they say that it’s amateur. Of the minuses for me, a weak battery, but only for video, but for photos in general everything is fire.

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