answers: 39

  1. B. R. P.
    17.08.2021

    Thanks for your review. Yes, the difference in price with the native 35 is not yet in favor of the Chinese. Excuse me for the trivial question, can you expect a review / impression on the Canon RP?

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    • Arkady Shapoval
      17.08.2021

      I'll do it. I still need to finish the review for 85 / 1.8. Overall, I find RP to be one of the best budget full frame options.

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      • B. R. P.
        17.08.2021

        Thanks, Arkady.

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      • Maks
        08.11.2021

        Arkady Shapoval You are a magician, downloaded the Jpeg archive to study EXIF ​​and lo and behold, you have such juicy greens on Obolonskaya embankment on November 13, 2021 ...?

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      • Arkady Shapoval
        08.11.2021

        yes, I flew to an alternative future, where the grass is greener than in our gray present

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  2. Dmitriy
    17.08.2021

    The review on the lens is good, but it would be much more interesting to read the review on the camera.

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  3. in
    17.08.2021

    For 200 bucks you need to take, but for 400 it makes no sense. Add another hundred and take a native macro with a stub

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  4. Gregor_S
    17.08.2021

    Excellent!
    Finally the sources with RP

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  5. Seladir
    18.08.2021

    Doubt between RP and 90D - prices are similar. That is, the full frame is against a more advanced camera in all respects: video capabilities, matrix autofocus, battery, focus stacking. It seems that the latter is better for macro and landscapes.

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    • Victor
      18.08.2021

      Everything is exactly the opposite.

      Exactly the same sensor-type autofocus is available in the RP. Video (4k) at 90d no, solid soap. And you will not find sharp optics capable of resolving all 32.5MP (zooms, for sure), otherwise, according to the picture, the rp will certainly skip 90d in no time. Except what to take only for macro, but why exactly 90d in macro?

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      • Seladir
        19.08.2021

        Matrix autofocus is not quite the same there. For example, the RP lacks eye tracking AF. The RP has very limited 4K video - strong crop, only contrast AF.
        This matrix is ​​valuable for me, first of all, DD, improved tolerance to pulling out shadows or underexposed images. I also use the modern EF-S 18-135 USM, which should be designed for 24MP matrix, and with 32.5MP the difference is already small when viewed from the side. In general, the resolution of optics is not something discrete and with a clear ceiling. Rather, the profit from additional megapixels will decrease the further, the stronger. It can be represented as a kind of function that starts as a linear f (x) = x, and then turns into a characteristic logarithmic curve. And I still do not think that this is already the matrix resolution where the profit is near zero.
        Also, I don't think RP will have any advantage at low ISOs. It is possible that up to a certain threshold, more megapixels from a smaller sensor will produce more detail.
        I now use 60D - I really like it, but I still want a modern camera in terms of the matrix, AF sensor, video capabilities.
        There is a set of EF-S / EF lenses, so I gravitate towards the same system.

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      • Victor
        19.08.2021

        I have already dropped a picture here with 18-135usm and 90d, I can drop it again - look, what kind of porridge is there https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50241167266_83bc6339fe_o.jpg

        This is a nightmare, not a resolution, IMHO. Full porridge and loud noise even at basic ISO.
        Such matrices do not pull budget optics from Canon, this is a fact.

        How is it that RP has no eye-tracker? And this is what (quote from the site): "Eye AF works on the Canon EOS RP in single-frame AF modes, as well as in still and video modes with AF tracking, which allows you to create clear frames when shooting both static and moving objects"

        For a normal 4k video, frankly speaking, both options are poorly suited, with Canon, normal 4k began only with the EOS R5 and R6.

        And at low ISO, RP of course will also have an advantage in the form of an increased resolution of the final picture, why exactly - see above - the picture will be more detailed and cleaner. Much.

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      • Maksim
        25.08.2021

        What do you expect from budget optics? Uncompromising quality at 200% magnification)))

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      • Victor
        25.08.2021

        What 200?))) There and at 50% unreadable porridge))

        Well, the lens under 40k is not so budgetary, rather average.

        We are talking about the fact that there is practically no adequate modern optics (and after all, the 18-135 nano usm was designed as a modern lens) canon practically does not have for new crop matrices, you can resize, yes, but IMHO this is a useless load on memory cards and a PC))

        And note that none (!) Of the progressive companies currently uses 30 + mp on the crop sensor, they probably understand something))

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      • Oleg
        25.08.2021

        Yes, he framed the kenon with its 30 megapixels. The previous 80d in terms of the photo is even more balanced

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      • Arkady Shapoval
        25.08.2021

        24MP on a Canon EOS EFS / EFM crop, used on many cameras, gives the same pixel density as 61MP on a full frame. Few optics will allow this at an open aperture, especially at the corners and edges of the frame. But resolution is not the only thing that makes 24-35MP good at crop. It's also potential 8k video and dynamic range. And if, nevertheless, there is a good lens and competent processing / raw conversion, then the potential of these 30+ megapixels is higher than that of the previous generation sensors of 18 megapixels.

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      • Victor
        25.08.2021

        Canon has barely mastered high-quality 4k (on the R5 and R6, it will probably be the same on the R3), I think there is no question that at least good 90k will appear on the 4D.

        Optics need good, yes, and Canon simply does not have one for a mirror crop (sigma has, but that is not always friendly with Canon)
        If you press 18-135 (and where to clamp with such a density - the diffraction limit, go, in the f / 5 region, then only deterioration) - most likely it will be better.
        In general, you need a resolution - 18-135, any for 90d is not the best choice, it is not necessary - there is no care, resize to ~ 12 ... 16mp and ok))

        But I would take 80d under the photo (if we take the Canon mirror crop). A purely personal opinion, I do not impose on anyone :)

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      • Maks
        08.11.2021

        Victor try photos in auto mode and in Jpeg files. I am sure the quality will be much better. The fact that you took a landscape shot at an open aperture and with a shutter speed of 1 / 1250c says that there is no limit to perfection, and you need to master the art of photography and not post processing in Adobe Photoshop. It's only the second year I've been fond of photography, I shoot in Jpeg and the photo is so noisy at ISO 2000-5000.

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      • Victor
        08.11.2021

        Maks, a photo from the Internet, I cannot be responsible for this picture, then how and by whom it was taken, because it was found in the open spaces of flicker, one thing I can say for sure - the aperture here is not so open, and 32.5 megapixels are neither to the village nor to the city, because the exact same (even better) detail is given by 24MP models with normal optics)))

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      • Maks
        08.11.2021

        At the expense of quality at 24 mp. I agree with you, but I can argue about the aperture, I took it from a friend Canon M6 mark ii. Matrix is ​​identical to 90D. With EF-M 18-150 lens. So on the open 24mm Ф4 soap ... Starting from Ф5,6-8 it is sharp, and at 150mm it is sharp at Ф 9-11. Only outdoors with good lighting can you get a decent photo. I put an EF 24-105 STM on it through a speedbooster and got an excellent result already on the open. And I was also very surprised while studying the sources downloaded from a foreign site with m6 markII and Sigma ef-m 30mm f1.4 RAW was of excellent quality and without grain, and processed jpeg with color subsidence and all in grain.

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      • Seladir
        08.11.2021

        Better late than never - according to the picture itself, given that the sky is well developed, not beaten out, the exposure clearly followed it, and the shadows stretched. Only starting with the R5 / R6, Canon finally managed to achieve the semblance of iso invariance, so it is not surprising that noise will climb at ISO100 at the same time. In the sky, when viewed at 100%, I see strong jpg compression artifacts (3.5MB is nothing for such a resolution and scene), behind them I can see noise. Noise in monochromatic areas is not surprising at all, I see it everywhere, including full-frame cameras. For me personally, noise has ceased to be a problem since I just started running all the shots through Topaz Denoise. Their latest Low Light algorithm is especially effective, which in fact works best for everything (complete elimination of noise, adequate sharpening, does not give artifacts).
        Part of the frame falls out of the depth of field, while the detailing of the sharp part seems to me completely normal. I see the same on 6D + 24-105 / 4L, it all looks plus or minus the same.

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      • Victor
        08.11.2021

        >> Noise in monochromatic areas is not surprising at all, I see it everywhere, including full-frame cameras

        And it surprises me, I'm not used to it myself :)

        The file size is generally not an indicator, 3MB is quite enough to see how the optics work))

        Look, for example, this shot from a 32MP Canon with budget optics, did nothing with it, except for resizing.

        https://i.ibb.co/Rj3FNm7/5024116726.jpg

        Size 2.5 mb approximately

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      • Victor
        08.11.2021

        The link was mistakenly copied not to the original photo, here is the correct one:

        https://i.ibb.co/KK2PDkm/5024116726.jpg

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      • Victor
        08.11.2021

        But with a 24MP camera with slightly better optics, the size is 1,5 mb, the frame length in pixels is the same:

        https://i.ibb.co/rGT60hf/DSC-0541.jpg

        For clarity, the background crop from the right side of the frames:

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      • Maks
        09.11.2021

        The comparison is not correct, you tightened the high-aperture fix from F2 to F5.6, and compare with the budget zoom the maximum aperture of which is 24mm F4 !!!
        And the shadows in your exposure are darker. It is best to compare +/- the same Nikon 18-140 optics for example, and the scene should be the same with the same camera settings at the same time from a tripod, and so it's a finger to the sky.

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      • Victor
        09.11.2021

        Of course I squeezed, although this fix even at f / 2 allows you to shoot quite well (still giving the quality higher than 18-135usm), but why should I open up to f / 2 when there is enough light?

        Maybe you have better quality 90d shots with this (or similar) lens? If so, please share.

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      • Baru
        30.11.2021

        > RP lacks eye tracking AF
        there it is on the RP and focus bracketing is also there, up to 100 frames.

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    • Arkady Shapoval
      18.08.2021

      I think that a mirror crop, including 90D, is already a road to nowhere.

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      • Victor
        18.08.2021

        Unfortunately (or fortunately), yes.

        The mirrorless can still somehow leave due to the optimal balance of dimensions / price / picture.

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      • Seladir
        19.08.2021

        I almost switched to the Canon M50 II, but the ergonomics ruined everything - both the camera itself and if you screw something a little large on it, especially through an adapter. And with a native 15-45 or native fixes, it is certainly cool and convenient.

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      • Victor
        19.08.2021

        It is needed for native (as an option - non-native, the same cool 16-30-56 sigma) fixes and compact zooms. The adapter is understandably a temporary option, and the convenience of a camera screwed to the lens is often questionable.

        And so from crop-mirrorless cameras, the grip of the m50 is quite convenient (for comparison, hold the canons m100-m200 in your hands, that's where the nightmarish grip is as it is, even with light lenses)

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      • Seladir
        19.08.2021

        I now use 60D - I really like it, but I still want a modern camera in terms of the matrix, AF sensor, video capabilities.
        There is a set of EF-S / EF lenses, so I gravitate towards the same system.
        I understand that this is a road to nowhere and 90D is the swan song of the system. But it will be enough for me for years, I am mostly interested in amateur macro / landscape photography. That is, I will just stay with her, no matter what happens on the market.

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      • Arkady Shapoval
        19.08.2021

        Then it's easier to add something from optics under 60d

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      • Aleksey68
        19.08.2021

        I, among other cameras, have a 60D, there are no problems with it. restrictions - yes, there are. but you need to know them and take it easy. AF, after adjusting all points, in general, working, again, at all points. corrections for lenses are registered in it, so there is no AF accuracy with normal light and straight hands. I often shoot with it on manual optics with ML support, because its display has a higher resolution than that of the second gloom and a more sane color, in any case I managed to calibrate it. to do the same with the display of the second gloom is almost impossible, alas. I use all cameras with battery grips, only original ones, very convenient. for 60D I was looking for an original pen for a very long time, found it with great difficulty (this is not now, but in those years when it was still produced)

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      • Human
        08.01.2022

        If you are still interested in pictures from the 90D, I can take and throw, with the lenses efs55-250 and ef24-105f4, it can be wider. In terms of ergonomics, the 90D is certainly more comfortable than the RP, it works faster and feels somehow “more professional” and there are more control buttons, the familiar circular joystick around the OK (SET) button is very convenient, which RP does not have, but here's a full frame of course, brand new RF lenses, all the old ones through adapters .. And the 90D is still a little more expensive. I can't say about LOW-LIGHT ISO, I've only clicked 90D a couple of times since the release, in general, if it's relevant, ask.

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      • Seladir
        08.01.2022

        Thanks, but out of date)
        Shortly after that post, I became interested in amateur portraits (mostly cosplay photosets) and bought a used 6D. Over time, in addition to the existing Canon 50 / 1.8 STM, Tamron 70-200 / 2.8 VC USD and Canon 24-105 / 4 were added - I feel great on such a set, I also really like the camera, although the choice of the AF point is even more inconvenient than on 60D.
        The 60D remains for my photo walks: 18-135 IS USM and 55-250 IS STM are beautiful and give everything I need. Well, the noises from the pulling are perfectly choked with the Topaz Denoise.
        If I change this goodness, then to something of the level of Sony A7 III and higher - so that a good AF in the eyes and a modern matrix in terms of DD / stretching of shadows. Although, of course, I would like to stay in the Canon system, but R / RPs are already outdated in terms of matrices and have compromise ergonomics, and R5 / R6 are very expensive. Let's see what Canon will present in 2022, rumors are circulating about relatively budget RF cameras.

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      • Human
        08.01.2022

        Topaz has an interesting Imagenomic Noiseware, I have not yet decided who is better, probably topaz

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  6. Oleg
    18.08.2021

    There are a lot of SLR cameras on hand, and mirror optics will attract with their availability for a very long time, at least on the pages of Radozhiva, the topic of the mirror will not soon disappear. At one time in Vilnius, I came across a new 80d at a price of 600 euros against an RP for 1300 dollars. The price, design and dd of the mirror crop turned out to be better, and it's a pity to take the RP for cycling with its open matrix on dusty roads. Considering that I take an average of 10000-12000 shots per year, this camera will be enough for me until the end of my days. Full frame attracts primarily with the opportunity to try the classic focal lengths 35,50, 85mm with its small depth of field. Well, yes, the time of the mirror has passed. There are rumors about the development of a full frame by kenon at a price of $ 800 and if this happens then the concept of crop may disappear soon

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  7. Aleksandr Bozhkevich
    25.08.2021

    Native RF 1.8 now costs from 550 dollars to 750. This one can be found for a little more than 300. And at home, not everything is so buzzing. For example, the same chromatic is also present there ...

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