Announcement: Nikon Z fc

The Nikon Z fc camera was officially unveiled on June 29, 2021.

Nikon Z fc

Nikon Z fc

Key features include:

  1. Second Nikon DX mirrorless camera
  2. APS-C sensor with 20.9 MP. Most likely, a modified sensor from Nikon z50 / Nikon D500 / Nikon D7500
  3. EXPEED 6 processor, same as Nikon Z5 / Nikon z6 / Nikon z7 / Nikon z50
  4. ISO range 100-51.200 with the ability to expand to 204.800
  5. Mechanical shutter with shutter speed up to 1 / 4000 s.
  6. Exposure 1/200 s flash sync., high speed sync supported
  7. Hybrid focusing, 209 focus points, phase focus sensors located on the matrix. There is an eye focusing function. Sensitivity -4E.V. + 19 EV
  8. Maximum burst speed 11 frames per second
  9. Video 3840 X 2160 (4K UHD) 30p as well as 1920 X 1080 120p
  10. One SDXC slot with UHS-I
  11. 3.2-inch swivel (tilt) touch screen
  12. EVI 2.360.000 points and 100% frame coverage, 1.02X magnification, diopter adjustment, brightness correction
  13. Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, DHMI D, 3.5 for microphone
  14. Weight: 450 grams (with card and battery)
  15. The price is about $ 960 per body

Appearance

All Nikon DX lenses for mirrorless cameras with Nikon Z mount

  1. Nikon Nikkor Z DX 16-50 1: 3.5-6.3 VR (black / silver)
  2. Nikon Nikkor Z DX 18-140 1: 3.5-6.3 VR
  3. Nikon Nikkor Z DX 50-250 1: 4.5-6.3 VR

These lenses are designed to work with cameras Nikon z50, Nikon Z fc... There are also autofocus lenses for Nikon Z DX (APS-C) felttrox: 23/1.4, 33/1.4, 56/1.4.

Materials on the topic

  1. Full frame mirrorless systems... Discussion, choice, recommendations.
  2. Cropped mirrorless systems... Discussion, choice, recommendations.
  3. Cropped mirrorless systems that have stopped or are no longer developing
  4. Digital SLR systems that have stopped or are no longer developing
  5. JVI or EVI (an important article that answers the question 'DSLR or mirrorless')
  6. About mirrorless batteries
  7. Simple and clear medium format
  8. High-speed solutions from Chinese brands
  9. All fastest autofocus zoom lenses
  10. All fastest AF prime lenses
  11. Mirrored full frame on mirrorless medium format
  12. Autofocus Speed ​​Boosters
  13. One lens to rule the world
  14. The impact of smartphones on the photography market
  15. What's next (smartphone supremacy)?
  16. All announcements and novelties of lenses and cameras

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  • UstasFritZZZ

    A pitiful attempt to parody Fuji, which originally had the same design .. DF at least had a full frame. But even if we forget all of the above, there are no lenses for this system and third-party manufacturers (even the Chinese) are in no hurry to release them, and there is nothing to say about Nikon himself. Dead-born, for collectors.

    • Victor

      Generally speaking, the same design first appeared in the df, this fuji already happened later.

      But nevertheless, I see no reason to take just such a camera model.

      • UstasFritZZZ

        Well, it's clear that DF was before. Speech about bzk cameras, I did not quite correctly put it above.

      • Kirill

        Fujifilm X100 appeared in 2010, Fujfilm X-Pro1 in 2012, Df at the end of 2013. So Fuji still used the retro theme in cameras earlier.

        • Victor

          It's about design a la xt1, not retro as such.

        • Eugene

          So what? If Fuji was made first, then everything is impossible for others? Considering that Nikon has a huge legacy of beautiful film cameras, and this one is made with the legendary fm2

          • Dmitry Kostin

            “Considering that Nikon has a huge legacy of beautiful film cameras, and this one is made with the legendary fm2”
            It would be more organic, let's say, if there was a normal adapter for old D series screwdriver glasses like the Sonievsky motor (!) LA-EA5 (I know this is a fierce button accordion, but there are many good lenses on the F mount that can be used now).
            Well, the second point, given the new lens mount, this camera could have been made not on the basis of the strange Z50, but on the basis of the Z5 or Z6 with full-frame matrices.

            • Dmitry Kostin

              Here's about the LA-EA5:
              https://prophotos.ru/news/22033-sony-la-ea5-vtoraya-zhizn-optiki-s-bayonetom-a
              “Sony has made a truly anti-crisis gift to its longest-serving fans. We are talking about the LA-EA5 adapter, which allows you to put A-mount optics (remember, such lenses have been produced since 1985) on modern mirrorless cameras. This one differs from the previously existing adapters with a "screwdriver" autofocus drive, that is, it will work with SSM, SAM, and screwdriver lenses. "

              • Novel

                Well, here are purely marketing considerations. Who, then, will buy copies of old lenses for the new mount?

              • Victor

                2Roman, everything is so, but not quite so.
                What could be used on the new megapixel bzk from the old screwdriver optics, and so that it would be much more profitable than the motor analogue? 85 1.4, yes 80-200 with a stretch. And that's all. Soapy creepy sigmo-tokens, old 2.8 shirks, angles at which bounce back to f / 8 at best, run-of-the-mill stripes don't count. And the notorious LA-E5 is not worth two kopecks (and in the performance of Nikon it could also be much more expensive)
                And there is an adapter for motor windows - please put, save.

                And the new lenses (like the boot) are not quite like copies, glasses with new optical schemes and noticeably stronger details. More expensive though.

              • Novel

                Of the really interesting only 14-30 / 4 and 24-50 / 4-6.3. Well, at a stretch, manual 58 / 0.95. Well, finally, many years later, the autofocus 1.2.

                Even a professional does not have enough free money to acquire a new fleet of optics. Especially specialized. Therefore, he will take a carcass, an adapter, something for the first time and will adapt gradually. And to choose from - some faceless standards, exactly the same Sony has. Which is far from being a titanium and not a pillar of the market. Tamron and Sigma also have this, only even cheaper. All this can only be biting out of love for Nikon, no other factor will affect the decision.

              • Dmitry Kostin

                "What could be used on the new megapixel bzk from the old screwdriver optics, so that it would be much more profitable than the motor analogue?"
                If it's cheap, then 35 / 2D, 50 / 1.4D though if you don't look at the price, then they are controversial.
                They remember such fixes as: 85 / 1.4D, 105 / 2D, 135 / 2D.
                People loved 80-200 / 2.8D and 35-70 / 2.8D.
                "Soapy Creepy Sigmo-Tokins,"
                I disagree, not all are soapy and creepy.
                The screwdriver Sigma 28 / 1.8 EX DG is very sharp.
                ATX-Pro tokens are also quite sharp, if you do not take into account 2.8 with soft effect.
                And if we compare Nikkora 24-120 / 4 and 28-105 / 3.5-4.5D head-on, taking into account the difference in price, I would not say that the first one is as much better as it is more expensive.
                On the Z5 / Z6 for the less wealthy, the aforementioned fleet of lenses delayed the purchase of new Z mount lenses for a while at their impressive prices. On the flickr in the branches according to the photographs of the owners of the d610-750-780, photos taken with the above lenses periodically appear.

              • Dmitry Kostin

                missed the particle "BY":
                “The lens park would have delayed the purchase of new Z-mount lenses for some time”

              • Victor

                "They are controversial"
                That's it. Moreover, for 1.4 d there are a bunch of motor analogs that do not differ much in price from a non-motorized one.

                "They remember such fixes as: 85 / 1.4D, 105 / 2D, 135 / 2D"

                85 1.4 d mentioned. 105 and 135 d are usually remembered with unkind words, in comparison, for example, with 135 / 2L.

                "Loved by the people 80-200 / 2.8D and 35-70 / 2.8D"
                80-200 are mentioned, 35-70 are living out their last years (remaining in decent condition except for collectors who are not going to get rid of it), mainly in the market is trash.

                "ATX-Pro tokens are pretty sharp too, if you don't take into account 2.8 with soft effect." That's it. So why do we need such 2.8?

                The “Screwdriver Sigma 28 / 1.8 EX DG is very sharp” in which the center begins to barely straighten to f / 2.8, and the corners to f / 4… 5.6?

                "And if we compare Nikkora 24-120 / 4 and 28-105 / 3.5-4.5D head-on, taking into account the difference in price, I would not say that the first one is as much better as it is more expensive."

                Well, different lenses are the same. The second one does not have a stub, a very floating used quality on the secondary (no, not so - STRONGLY), but less focal scope.

                In general, there is a LOT of illiquid slag from the old screwdriver optics on the secondary, which they are trying to shove under the sauce of legend, and someone is even being led to it. There are good examples, but their minimum.

                In addition, a very strange economy on matches comes out if we are faced with an amateur (saving on everything that is possible) - so why does he need a fresh BZK for 100-200 rubles? If a professional, why does he need this imaginary economy, when there are enough motor analogs, even from the same F mount?

              • Dmitry Kostin

                "105 and 135 d are usually remembered with unkind words, in comparison, for example, with 135 / 2L."
                This is a "slightly" strange comparison, as there are 2 different mounts.
                Likewise, you can compare EF 28-70 / 2.8L (I have already shown where it is on dxomark) and 24-70 / 2.8L with 28-70 / 2.8D and 24-70 / 2.8G. The comparison will be similar in strangeness.
                “The Screwdriver Sigma 28 / 1.8 EX DG is very sharp,” in which the center barely begins to straighten to f / 2.8, and the corners to f / 4… 5.6? ”
                I have the latest version of EX DG Macro, there are almost no reviews on the Internet, it, IMHO, differs for the better from the first version ("pimples").
                “Well, different lenses are the same. The second one does not have a stub, it has a very floating used quality on the secondary (no, not so - STRONGLY), but the focal range is smaller. "
                Specifically, the 28-105 / 3.5-4.5D lens can still be found in VERY good condition (I can indicate the address where for 7-8 thousand). This is a whale lens, of which a lot has been released and it is still nothing and it is not difficult to find it in good condition - it does not suffer from fungus and mold everywhere. Read the opinion of Arkady in the article for this lens.
                *
                “In general, there is a LOT of illiquid slag from the old screwdriver optics on the secondary, which they are trying to shove under the sauce of legend, and someone is even falling for it. There are good examples, but their minimum. "
                There are illiquid assets and a lot of different budget junk.
                But as with any flea market, there is enough surplus for relatively new lenses. One can speculate how many illiquid G-series lenses or the first L-k's are there.
                In Moscow, you can buy any lens from problem series without any problems in normal condition. It all depends on desire, money and sports passion.
                “In addition, a very strange economy on matches comes out if we have an amateur (saving on everything that is possible) - so why does he need a fresh large-scale complex for 100-200 rubles? "
                If we are talking about the CIS, then often the camera is bought “conditionally” for the “last” money. Those. I bought a camera, there is no money for a lens, or rarely vice versa.
                Such people often came to Radozhiva in the question-answer section or in the discussion threads on d610-d750. Well, by themselves, people who buy budget Z5 / 6 are not always (or rather almost never) ready to buy top-end 24-70 / 2.8S and the same 70-200 / 2.8S.

              • Victor

                "This is a 'slightly' strange comparison, because 2 different mounts."

                This is not a strange comparison, since it speaks about the level of these lenses and their need for use on the Z system.

                “I have the latest version of EX DG Macro, there are almost no reviews on the Internet, it, IMHO, differs for the better from the first version (“ pimples ”).”

                And of course you have examples of sharp frames at 1.8 from it, did I understand correctly?

                "Specifically, the 28-105 / 3.5-4.5D lens can still be found in VERY good condition (I can specify the address where for 7-8 thousand)"

                Listen, Dmitry, I'm not interested in where * you can * find this lens for YOU, and I read an article on Radozhiv. I myself, PERSONALLY, reviewed several copies of such lenses and all suffered from optical problems in one way or another.
                In addition, as far as I can see, you have no objection that the lenses are still different and cannot be compared (28-105 and 24-120)

                "One can speculate how many illiquid G series lenses or the first L-k's are there."

                Can you, who will forbid you? But it, illiquid, is several times less than for an old screwdriver. With the exception of the old motor 28-70, 17-35 and 80-200 of the fourth version, for which an unsuccessful design led to an early failure of the motors.

                “If we are talking about the CIS, then often the camera is bought“ conditionally ”for the“ last ”money. Those. I bought a camera, there is no money for a lens, or rarely vice versa. "

                You know, it seems to me that these are the problems of just those “pickers” who cannot calculate the options a couple of moves ahead. I cannot be responsible for all these people.

              • Dmitry Kostin

                "This is not a strange comparison, as it speaks about the level of these lenses and their need for use on the Z system."
                Have you decided to try using Z-mount EF lenses with an adapter? This is an interesting experience, I guess.
                "And of course you have examples of sharp shots at 1.8 from it, do I understand correctly?"
                I don't have a single frame shot at 28mm with a 1.8 aperture. the lens was taken not for such a very specific task. Tell me, have you often filmed on an open Nikkon with a 28mm focal length?
                I took this Sigma for a specific task, where 4.0-8.0 are just needed.
                If I had Nikkor 28 / 1.8 it would also be used on these diaphragms. The reason is in the depth of field.
                “I myself, PERSONALLY, have reviewed several copies of these lenses and all suffered from optical problems in one way or another.”
                I bought the first time not greased, not wiped, dust-free inside and with clean glass.
                By the way, Victor, you just wrote here what you chose from several lenses. WHAT FOR? :)
                You recently advised me not to fool the sellers of Fuji S5Pro with the number of dead pixels on the matrices of these cameras and take what is, the TYPE is not visible and ok :)

                If you look at a used 24-120, then there are enough problems with the stub.
                “In addition, as far as I can see, you have no objection that the lenses are still different and cannot be compared (28-105 and 24-120)”
                They are subject to comparison. I would not say that 24-120 is ideal and it is soapy and there is enough distortion. The whole question is (for the most part) in the difference in cost and stabilizer.
                “You know, it seems to me that these are the problems of just such“ electors ”who cannot calculate the options a couple of moves ahead. I cannot be responsible for all these people. "
                These are the majority among the buyers of the budgetary FF, if you look at the comments on Radozhiv over the past 5-6 years.

              • Victor

                “Have you decided to try using Z-mount EF lenses with an adapter? It's an interesting experience, I guess. ”

                Dmitry, do you read between the lines? Read the text itself, it's more useful.
                Once again - I wrote about the LEVEL of the native non-motorized 135, and not about the possibility of using the EF on Z systems.

                “I don't have a single frame shot at 28mm with a 1.8 aperture. the lens was taken not for such a very specific task. Tell me, have you often filmed on an open Nikkon with a 28mm focal length?
                I took this Sigma for a specific task, where 4.0-8.0 is just needed. "

                Well, you start to turn on the back. Dmitry, tell me, what are your tasks for this fix for 4 ... 8, which would NOT be able to cope with the native (forgiving, penny) 24-50Z on the same diaphragms? Would you tell the difference between pictures from this sigma and the specified lens? Well, I strongly doubt it.

                16mm under the crop there are sharp, please, samyang 16/2, sigma 16 1.4 under the bzk, under the full frame is also there, but more expensive, of course.

                “I bought the first time not greased, not wiped, without dust inside and with clean glass.”

                Blah blah blah, and with a curved focal plane, huh? Not greasy to find is just not a problem.

                “By the way, Victor, you just wrote here what you chose from several lenses. WHAT FOR? :)
                You recently advised me not to fool the sellers of Fuji S5Pro with the number of dead pixels on the matrices of these cameras and take what is, the TYPE is not visible and ok :) ”

                Well, probably because on real frames, dead pixels are not visible (only picks can look at them at 3200 isos, which they will never shoot, and black squares, which they will never shoot), and the curved focal plane can be seen VERY well? Have you thought about it?

                “They are subject to comparison. I would not say that 24-120 is ideal and it is soapy and there is enough distortion. The whole question is (for the most part) in the difference in cost and stabilizer. "

                Well, yes, they are “subject”. Just little things, the wide angle is wider, the long end is longer, and there is a stub. Sheer nonsense, absolute analogues, you are absolutely right.

                "These are the majority among the buyers of budgetary FF, if you look at the comments on Radozhiv over the past 5-6 years."

                I will not sum up unnecessary statistics and look for comments from “all these people”, a hopeless occupation. For even if this is so, it is no secret to anyone that the compatriots (the majority) do not have a lot of money now, and this majority, along with this, wants better and cheaper. Many people see this “better” in acquiring a full frame, forgetting that a full frame is nothing without normal optics, otherwise it is much better to take a normal crop with normal crop optics.
                Once again, I repeat, these are the problems of these people, nothing more.

              • Dmitry Kostin

                “Once again - I wrote about the LEVEL of the native non-motorized 135, and not about the possibility of using the EF on Z systems.”
                In my opinion, it is not entirely correct to consider this “level” within the framework of different bayonets, as this leads to demagogy, which is what happened.
                “Dmitry, tell me, what are your tasks for this fix for 4 ... 8, which the native (forgiving, penny) 24-50Z would NOT cope with at the same diaphragms? Would you tell the difference between pictures from this sigma and the specified lens? Well, I doubt it a lot. "
                For 28 / 1.8 - street at night, car shooting.
                The whale can handle it maybe, but I doubt it would be better in 4-5.6 corner / edge sharpness. I think it will be very similar to 8-9.
                "Blah blah blah, and with a curved focal plane, huh?"
                He is in a new state. I haven't noticed any problems with him yet.
                Show on your (well, ok, you can link to testing) pictures, where to look for this problem. It became curious.
                "Well, probably because on real frames, dead pixels are not visible (they can only be examined by pickers at 3200 ISO"
                Victor, on ISO100 they are noticeable. Open a photo in full resolution on a large monitor and you can see it. When opened at full resolution, they are visible as 4 blue coal stars.
                But you didn’t know that, because you don’t have this camera.
                “Can you see the curved focal plane VERY well? Have you thought about it? "
                Victor, send testing where you noticed it. I'll get confused with a specialist and look on my lens.
                “Well, yes, they are. Just little things, the wide angle is wider, the long end is longer, and there is a stub. Sheer nonsense, absolute analogues, you are absolutely right. "
                Viktor, a counter question is there a need for such 24mm and 120mm or do you think they are perfect there?

              • Victor

                “In my opinion, it is not entirely correct to consider this“ level ”within the framework of different bayonets, as this leads to demagoguery, which is what happened.”

                Well, for starters, we still started talking about what it would be WORTHY to leave on the F mount with a motor adapter. No demagoguery.

                “Show on your (well, ok, you can link to testing) pictures, where to look for this problem. It became curious. "

                Do you seriously think that I will keep on the computer examples of pictures taken from the unsuccessful glass, given that the search was about six months ago? It's funny)) The entire edge (as a rule, for some reason, left), sometimes the entire periphery was smeared in half up to f / 7.1 ... 8 Don't believe that it was like this, well, I don't care - your right))
                I already wrote about the state - the external state is not an indicator, I specifically looked for specimens in a near-ideal appearance.

                "Victor, on ISO100 they are noticeable."
                “But you didn’t know that, because you don’t have this camera.”

                That's right, I don't have this camera. But you have it. Or don't you keep unsuccessful shots with “stars” either?))

                As for other cameras, where there are even dead pixels, they are not visible in real frames, this is a fact.

                "Viktor, a counter question, do you need such 24mm and 120mm, or do you think they are perfect there?"

                Are 28 and 105 on yours ideal? Or how?

            • Victor

              “The lens park would have delayed the purchase of new Z-mount lenses for a while” ”

              Well, he, the park, is present. A lot of AF-S native lenses on the F mount (not counting, by the way, high-quality third-party lenses from the sigma-tamron) with the same FTZ adapter.

              Maybe (someday), for the sake of a small number of retrogrades, Nikon will be honored to release a motor ftz, sput for 30 commercials. Will you buy it for a couple of non-motorized diamonds? I don’t think so.

              • Dmitry Kostin

                “Well, he, the park, is present. A lot of AF-S native lenses on the F mount (not counting, by the way, high-quality third-party lenses from the sigma-tamron) with a native FTZ adapter. "
                Can you give more details (list) about high-quality lenses from third-party manufacturers that will work WITHOUT problems on new Nikon cameras with any camera firmware?
                “Well, he, the park, is present. AF-S weight of native F-mount lenses
                Well ok, 24-70 / 2.8G, 70-200 / 2.8G can be found in good condition, but it won't be cheap and not everyone can afford it. And there are enough of the G series lenses for Avito. From whom (relatively) little money will buy 24-85 or 24-120.
                “Maybe (someday), for the sake of a small number of retrogrades, Nikon will be honored to release a motor ftz, tyr for 30 commercials. Will you buy it for a couple of non-motorized diamonds? I don't think so. "
                I do not plan to buy an FF camera with a Z mount, even if they sell for 50 thousand rubles. Reasons 2 - the fleet of favorite lenses for the F mount and the planned transition to Canon's UPC.

              • Dmitry Kostin

                It would make sense for me to buy a camera for Z mount if the required adapter was immediately at the start of the Z6. Here "dear spoon for dinner." There is no point in waiting for something later, besides, there was a vague explanation in one of the interviews with Nikon engineers who sang songs from the marketing department that the new lenses are unique, interesting and there were no such before, this is a new experience, etc.
                and there are no plans to invest in the development of such an adapter.

              • Victor

                "Could you (list) in more detail about high-quality lenses from third-party manufacturers that will work WITHOUT problems on new Nikon cameras with any camera firmware?"

                Can I provide you with a list of ALL third-party AF-S lenses released in the last 10-15 years, or can you do it yourself? Problems of specific models on specific cameras due to problematic firmware is not a problem of ALL third-party lenses on ALL cameras nikon z. The specific compatibility is easily determined empirically. Although that doesn't interest you, does it?

                "Well ok, 24-70 / 2.8G, 70-200 / 2.8G can be found in good condition, but it won't be cheap and not everyone can afford it."

                Well, that is, to find a problem-free 24-70 for the conditional 50 tyr, with which there will be no sex, as with the potentially problematic 35-70 and 28-70 it is "expensive", and to buy a fresh budget Z110 for the last money for 120-5 tyr - is it "not expensive"?)) Oaaaako.

                "And there are enough big G series lenses for Avito"

                Once again, I repeat, there are simply several times less of them than the used D-lenses.

                "From whom (relatively) little money will buy 24-85 or 24-120"

                Right. Only motorized. Well, these are those who go, and not “checkers”, who have checkers, can continue to grieve about the lack of an adapter, with which they would immediately flood.

                "Reasons 2 - a fleet of favorite F-mount lenses and the planned transition to Canon's UPC"

                “Park of favorite lenses”, “transition to the large-scale complex canon”, mde .. They are collectors, they themselves do not know what they need.
                You were planning to buy an x-t4, or did I confuse something?

              • Victor

                “It would make sense for me to buy a camera for Z mount if the required adapter was immediately at the start of the Z6”

                It won't be there if you haven't figured it out yet. It makes no sense for Nikon to pull this whole train of old trash with him (by and large).

                In general, the company made a huge mistake that it did not chop off all the tails at one time, as Canon once did, and did not leave the legacy of the screwdriver and the diaphragm drive at once, as a result, now it has a lot of compatibility problems, and the train has already left.

                And frankly speaking, this is not about taking photos. You would calculate how much photographic equipment you have at the moment (in monetary terms), and then you thought that if you sell it all (seasoned with stories of legend, of course), and then buy, say, a canon canon with TWO-THREE lenses like 24-70, 70-200 and optionally some kind of portrait high-aperture fix, like 135L with an adapter, and finally stop there. Already on the PHOTOS, the exhaust would have been much higher.

                But you, as a collector at the present time, are not capable of that :)

              • Dmitry Kostin

                "For me to provide you with a list of ALL third parties"
                Yes :)
                I asked about this: "You can get more details (list) about high-quality lenses from third-party manufacturers, which will work WITHOUT problems on new Nikon cameras with any camera firmware."
                “Well, that is, to find a problem-free 24-70 for the conditional 50 tyr, with which there will be no sex”
                Over 60 thousand. For 50k-24-70 / 2.8G tubs, as a rule.
                "And to buy a fresh budget Z110 for the last money for 120-5 sput is it" not expensive "?"
                Well, this is not for me. Read the comments - this is how the budget D750 was bought (and this is how the D780 is bought - to old glasses, because of compatibility).
                Victor, I have not yet seen a single owner of the Z5 and 24-70 / 2.8S. They probably exist. So far, it's good if the Z5 is available for 24-70 / 4 racks.
                "Well, these are those who go, and not" checkers ", who have checkers, can continue to grieve about the lack of an adapter, with which they would immediately flood."
                Well, from hopelessness, where to go, it happens and not like that.
                “Park of favorite lenses”, “transition to large-capacity complex canon”, mde .. They are collectors, they themselves do not know what they need.
                You were planning to buy an x-t4, or did I confuse something? "
                That's right, they didn't confuse anything. I myself know what I need.
                I have lenses for Canon, I have Canon cameras. The transition to UPC Canon will be smooth. Well, Fuji is also in the plans. Don't worry about me.

              • Dmitry Kostin

                “It won't be there if you haven't figured it out yet. "
                I know and wrote about this above: “there was a vague explanation in one of the interviews with Nikon engineers, who sang songs from the marketing department, that the new lenses are unique, interesting and there weren’t such before, this is a new experience, etc.
                and there are no plans to invest in the development of such an adapter. "
                "You would have counted how much photographic equipment you have at the moment (in monetary terms)"
                It's long and boring.
                “And then we thought that if all this was to be sold (seasoned with stories of legend, of course),”
                Well, on Avito, everyone sells that way, well, or most. And the rules. People hawala.
                “And then buy, say, a Canon Canon with TWO-THREE lenses like 24-70, 70-200 and optionally some portrait high-aperture fix, like 135L with an adapter, and finally stop there. According to the PHOTOS, the exhaust would have been much higher. ”
                So I'll buy it anyway, I just need to decide on the sale of everything under Nikon.
                It’s not even D4 that stops me from doing this, but Fuji Protroyki and Propyatka.
                I bought 70-200 / 4L recently and it suits me perfectly.

              • Victor

                "Yes :)
                That's what I asked for ”

                And you, forgive me, why, if you are NOT planning to purchase a Z camera? So, do you have to go by 3.14?)) If you were planning, you would go and check on your own which lenses work with your camera and which ones do not work. Everything is elementary.

                “For 60 thousand. For 50k-24-70 / 2.8G tubs, as a rule. "

                “60 thousand ... As a rule ...” Will you basically fight for 10 thousand difference?) Well, let it be 60 thousand for the “usually not_wash” excellent universal lens, which can probably shoot 90% of the scenes, and 120 for the budget Z camera. Does it make some kind of weather? :)

                “Victor, I haven’t seen a single owner of the Z5 and 24-70 / 2.8S yet. They probably exist "

                I, too, have not yet seen a single person who would die from the coronavirus. Well, you get the idea)

                "Well, from the hopelessness, where to go, it happens and not like that."

                Again 25. There is no “hopelessness”. Who needs to shoot - they will shoot with what is available. Who should collect - to be upset that "now, hopelessness, hopelessness, oh, oh, we are all going to die !!! 11"

                “The transition to UPC Canon will be smooth. Well, Fuji is also in the plans. Don't worry about me "

                I'm not worried. After all, this is your right to choose what to do - photographing or collecting photographic equipment :)

              • Victor

                “I know and wrote about this above:“ there was a vague explanation in one of the interviews with Nikon engineers, who sang songs from the marketing department, that the new lenses are unique, interesting and there weren’t such before, this is a new experience, etc. ”

                There were many songs, but the result was worth a penny. As a result, few people have a desire, in principle, to invest FROM ZERO into this system.

                “It's long and boring”

                But it can be useful for thought :)

                "People hawala"

                That's it.

                “So I'll buy it anyway, I just need to decide on the sale of everything under Nikon.
                It’s not even D4 that stops me from doing this, but Fuji Protroyki and Propyatka.
                I bought 70-200 / 4L recently and it suits me perfectly ”

                If you buy this in ADDITION to the existing one, there will be no exhaust, take my word for it)) Now you spend the main resources (first of all, temporary) not on photographing, but on collecting your “favorite equipment”, and nothing will change with the purchase R and fresh photographic equipment. I’m not just talking about this, I looked at your flickr and saw WHAT you are shooting on colorful 1dc3 and reportage d4 (pictures on the last page)
                Those who wish can inspect. https://www.flickr.com/photos/kostindmitry/
                It's beyond my power to comment on this, alas :)

                Dmitry, change the very approach to photography, get rid of unnecessary trash and there will be a result if you redirect resources from collecting to, in fact, what photographic equipment is bought for in general.

              • Dim

                Sorry to wedge myself in. It is interesting to know: where can you read, well, or can you tell me why you can't actually take pictures on D4 for your own pleasure, even on a submarine? In general, many live, as I noticed, and get pleasure, regardless of what the experts think or shouldn't it be?

              • Dmitry Kostin

                “And you, excuse me, why, if you are NOT planning to purchase a Z camera? So, do you want to go by 3.14?)) "
                And talk and curiosity.

              • Dmitry Kostin

                Victor, can I have a look at your photos?
                Like Gulchatai, please show your face :)
                I am pleased that you are following me, but I would also like to appreciate your precious photos.
                "Dmitry, change .."
                Let’s not tell me what to do and I won’t advise you at which address you should go? :) (c) Your words Victor

              • Dmitry Kostin

                Probably not worth waiting for Victor's masterpieces, what am I.
                He left, wagging his tail. Oh everything, how red the girl is, by God.

              • Victor

                “I am pleased that you are following me, but I also want to appreciate your precious photos”

                Dmitry, where did you get the idea that I'm following you?)) You yourself provided links to your flickr.
                Fair? I would be ashamed to shoot this on such cameras, really, and even more so to spread it.

                And yes, you can't. Where possible - I show my photos, but here a priori (after what I told about you) you will be negatively tuned, so I don't see the point)) Better take care of yourself, and yes, look at what people use such cameras for, and on what models could you get such frames)))

                For example, for a series on a submarine, in particular such pictures
                https://www.flickr.com/photos/kostindmitry/51168219292/in/datetaken/
                people use mobile phones, which give not the worst result, but for some reason you dragged there q4))))

                In general, empty. You will now bristle and be offended, this is not constructive in any case. Just think about what I wrote above.

              • Victor

                I remembered a dude with medium-format railway tracks and cats)))

                Dmitry, you are not alone))

              • Dmitry Kostin

                "Fair? I would be ashamed to shoot this on such cameras, really, and even more so to spread it. "
                Victor, I don't care. I shoot what I want, who I want and when I want.
                And yes, I'm not a photographer, but a collector,
                “And yes, you can't. Where possible - I show my photos, but here a priori (after what I told about you) you will be negatively tuned, so I don't see the point)) Better take care of yourself, and yes, look at what people use such cameras for, and on what models could such frames be obtained))) "
                Victor, this is cowardice on your part. And yes, you got cold feet again.
                They are not capable of more, alas.
                If a person calls himself an erudite and an expert (you have repeatedly done this to yourself), then with such comrades who criticize everyone and everything and banter the demand is special.
                But, once again, Victor chickened out.

          • Kirill

            Where did I write that you can't To the comment above, I clarified that Nikon df was not the first

            • Dim

              Apparently not you: “If you buy it IN ADDITION to the existing one, there will be no exhaust, take my word for it)) Now you spend the main resources (first of all, temporary) not on photographing, but on collecting your“ favorite technique ”, and nothing it will not change with the purchase of R and fresh photographic equipment. I’m not just talking about this, I looked at your flickr and saw WHAT you are shooting on colorful 1dc3 and reportage d4 (pictures on the last page)
              Those who wish can inspect. https://www.flickr.com/photos/kostindmitry/
              It's beyond my power to comment, alas :) "
              The question arises: What's the difference what kind of pictures are there if a person likes and feels good? For definiteness, let's assume that there is a certain person who shoots “cats and rails” on D4, having fun and shares pictures with the same people who shoot them on D850 and D3300 and want D4 ... Let's say there is a fairly large group of people who make money from photography and believe that the quality of these photos is low. Suppose this virtual person with D4 lives to old age and in extreme old age, not realizing his lack of professionalism, goes to the grave happy. Personally, it is not clear to me what is bad or unworthy in this story, if a person is good and he has not done any harm to anyone, and perhaps even made someone happy. On the other hand, there is a person with a subtle knowledge of art - photography, who tries to reveal to everyone and everyone the truth that they are so happy in vain and their efforts are by and large insignificant. The question arises: What exactly is its purpose and where are the reasons for this behavior?

    • varezhkin

      at the heart of the FM2 design, not fudge, I guess.

      • UstasFritZZZ

        The current generation does not remember the FM series, most will compare it to Fuj. IMHO, of course. I am personally impressed by this design, although the grip is too small. But it's not even the price that spoils everything, but the complete absence of lenses, and this is very insulting.

        • varezhkin

          where is the complete absence? The z-mount is full of native lenses already.

          • Victor

            As for "full", well, you obviously got excited)

          • UstasFritZZZ

            under the Z crop there are only a couple of them on sale, well, the third one was announced .. but this is very small, especially since they are all not fast. And third-party manual Chinese for 100 bucks does not count

        • varezhkin

          So Your words about “pathetic parody” look at least inappropriate in this context.

        • varezhkin

          It looks like Fuji has its own lakhta center ...

          • UstasFritZZZ

            Why is this inappropriate? Show me other manufacturers that produce crop cameras in retro designs, only Fuj. Nikon needed to release the heir to DF, and not climb into someone else's field with this miracle

            • B. R. P.

              Was. Olik Pen F.

            • "Joe"

              Don't you know about Leica cameras?

              • UstasFritZZZ

                Do you know many digital Leica owners?

    • Igor

      "There are no lenses for this system"

      12 fixes, 7 zooms, there is nothing to shoot, right? And what are you shooting, if not a secret, if the current fleet of optics is not enough for you?

      • Victor

        Do not forget, this topic is about the crop, which Nikn has so far completely safely hammered a bolt into. Or do you propose, as a cheap, light-colored "poltos" kit, to tulle at z50 a huge 35 / 1.8 for ~ 55k ru, when you can take xc35 / 2 from a direct competitor for 14?

      • UstasFritZZZ

        razzy eyes, we are talking about KROP lenses

      • Dmitry Kostin

        Not well, but why:
        50 / 1.2 is there? There is.
        Do you have 24-70 / 2.8? There is.
        Do you have 70-200 / 2.8? There is.
        The right guys don't need anything else.
        As an option, collective farm 17-55 / 2.8 through an adapter.
        Great, yes.

        • Arkady Shapoval

          humor: only whale 16-50 is needed!

          • Victor

            One lens to rule the world! ©

    • Jury

      The design is reminiscent of the FM / FE film series.

  • Dmitry Kostin

    Looks pretty.
    It is clear that they want to climb into the meadow to Fujam.
    Perhaps it would be better if this camera was on the ff sensor from the Z6.

    • Victor

      It won't be possible to climb into the clearing to the fujam, with the optics it is quite a disaster, and with the color out of the box, frankly speaking, it is worse.

      • Victor

        Judging by the z50, I don't think that anything will change here.

      • wj

        This “color out of the box” just makes me sick. It is used as an argument for and against ANY camera, depending on which forum you visit. Maybe this subjectivity is enough for argumentation to use?

        • Victor

          This is not subjective, there is a nice color out of the box (I will not name these cameras, they are already well known to everyone), but there is a frankly disgusting one, these cameras are also well known to everyone who is at least a little in the subject. I admit that someone may well spit on this factor.

          • wj

            Victor, your “nice color” is precisely that subjectivity, because people's tastes are very different. It also depends on a host of external factors, including the calibration of your monitor / printer, the nature of the lighting when viewing the pictures, and even your mood and attitude towards the brand.
            If you are really interested in this topic, try to arrange for yourself a blind randomized test of pictures with different cameras, I'm sure you will get interesting conclusions.

            • Victor

              It depends, it depends. It depends on a lot of things.

              But if the monitor shows normal shades, if my attitude towards the brand is neutral (why, in fact, do I need to dislike this or that brand? Is it suitable for you or not), if one camera shows a normal, HEALTHY complexion (for example, if we talk about notorious skinton), the one that is used to seeing in life, and the other is something gray-greenish, sprinkled with talcum powder in addition, and even a group of people comes to the same conclusion, the opinion of whom as experts in color is very well established, I am not inclined to attribute this to subjectivity.

              • Dim

                How stubborn you are. "They tell you your music is cocoa, but you argue" (c) Iron argument.

              • Andrei

                Pot, do not cook!

  • Konstantin

    Without stabilization, such a thing ... Why 4K UHD if the video will be jerky without a stub? There will not be those who buy such an amateur camera all the time to play a rake or a gimble for the camera (it will also be worth it).

    • wj

      What gimbal? All 2 lenses released for DX-Z are stabilized. Future 18-140 too.
      No, I do not deny the usefulness of the stub in the carcass, but you should not overestimate its value.

  • Konstantin

    Hmm, $ 960 for aps-c retro carcass. It's better to look in the direction of Fujifilm, there are at least glasses, but with Nikon Z on the glasses everything is sad, the same glasses from F under the new bayonet, no more.

  • Vladimir

    And you get one of the best-selling cameras ...

    • Dmitry Kostin

      DF often stands for Digital Failure.
      His sales have always been poor, according to camera people.
      How does it take off in sales?
      This is just an image model for Nikon.

      • Vladimir

        The difference in price with the Z is 50 - 100 bucks, with exactly the same characteristics. And cameras in most cases are bought for show-off, and here Z fc is in the lead by a wide margin.

  • Yuriy75

    Appearance class! There is no stub on the matrix - sadness, the price is sadness, no grip - sad!

    • wj

      There is a grip in the form of a separately purchased original GR1 handle, or from the Chinese on aliexpress for $ 20-30, when they hurry up. But I would have preferred a built-in handle too.

  • Victor

    Christmas trees are sticks, but there really is no grip either. There is no electronic shutter. EVI level ten years ago.

    There are no lenses either.

    No, it will not take off.

    • wj

      There is a grip in the form of a separately purchased original GR1 handle, or from the Chinese on aliexpress for $ 20-30, when they hurry up.
      There is an electronic shutter.
      Evie is of the level of cameras in this price segment. If you want more, pay more. True to other manufacturers :)

      • Victor

        Is there an electronic shutter, but up to 1/4000? Are you greedy?
        A supplement for $ - well, exactly what he said in the next post - it cost absolutely nothing to make a normal pen right away (and the battery would fit with a larger capacity), but that would not sell additional batteries with pens then))

        • wj

          So you're just not the target audience. The Z50 would suit you better. This is if you stay within the brand.

          • Victor

            Of course, not a target one, and the same z50 would be quite suitable for me, BUT (sadly, since the adherent of Nikon himself) seeing the current brand policy, I would rather look towards the canon RF and or Fuji X, depending on the budget, than go to Z.

            • Andrei

              ✌😉🤳

            • wj

              At RF the situation is no better. I had a Canon RP for a year and a half with a pair of lenses in addition to the Nikon Z50. So I'm a Nikonist, but it was interesting to shoot with Canon. And I came to the conclusion that in general, the Canon system is just a little different, but it does not have any cardinal advantages. Therefore, I later sold RP with lenses and took Nikon Z6ii, so as not to be sprayed on two systems.

    • Dim

      First write about “design”, then “no grip”. We must already decide what I want. This is a design for old Nikons, this camera is for style, this is its main feature. If this is not clear, then what is clear? ;)

      • Victor

        No, in general, everything is clear. Stylish metal accessory with a pair of plastic lenses for style, not for photos)) Actually, the thought of style is a leitmotif throughout the description on the official page, even separately beat “round viewfinder like in fm2”))

  • B. R. P.

    Df-Df-ohm. Crop only. Why should designers be bothered.

    • Victor

      The dfa had at least a regular grip that was relatively comfortable. This is completely unreasonable and was deprived of grip, apparently they hope to sell separately, like Fuj))

  • Michael

    Gentlemen - writers, instead of philosophizing and being clever about or without, take the camera in your hands and shoot. Nobody forces you to buy exactly this, for sure, you already have something else, from a past life, so go and shoot. In the era of film photography, films from different manufacturers differed in color rendition - and, not only from different manufacturers, films for different tasks - portrait, daylight, artificial lighting - also differed in color rendition. And stop annoying about the “wrong” color rendition and skin tone, modern cameras have enough BB settings and scene programs for every taste. Only all these "writings" about good - bad - torn off / not torn off have nothing to do with the photo. Your destiny is Instagram, with pictures on the topic “who am I sleeping with” and “what pooped my dog” ..

    • Novel

      And sho takoe, nikonist gallery?

      • Michael

        And sho takoe, nikonist is it for offending or where?

    • Dmitry Kostin

      Will you buy this camera or just walk in?

    • Victor

      "Modern cameras have enough BB settings and scene programs for every taste"

      Oha, oh, we knew such experts on bb twisting who get “what they want” from any camera, however, according to observations, they often want some kind of color slag)) modern crop-nikon is often not about color, alas.

      • wj

        Victor, I don’t know what kind of experts you are talking about here, but for the sake of interest I really tried to make a picture of one camera from a picture of another. It turned out quite well for itself. Since then I have sympathy for the apologists of the “right color” of any company.

        • Victor

          wj, for the sake of interest many tried, I also tried. And even it will turn out “quite good enough”, although:
          - You spent your time on this, although it could have been spent on other, more useful things.
          - Improving some colors can easily ruin others. Perhaps a professional color corrector will bring out the color you need without spoiling the rest, but are there many professional color correctors here?
          - I saw examples of a person who is not completely new to the color planer, but he also failed to bring the picture with c5pro and xt4 to an identical look, although the color of the people looked similar. But xm4 is not even a nikon z50, you know?

          ps I do not crucify, but I share my observations.

          • wj

            Victor, if you need the correct color, then a color checker is used and all colors are brought to the reference. Any camera that supports RAW shooting. All the rest is aimless arguments about which markers they like.

            • Victor

              In words, everything is very simple, in practice (for some reason) it does not really help.

      • Trueash

        And the boys don't know:
        https://www.google.com/search?q=National%20Geographic%20d7100

    • Vladimir

      Bravo!
      That's right, all these “photographers” have poop in their faces ...

    • wj

      +1, Mikhail, I fully support.

  • Ry

    Lazha.
    Nikon, die already, eh?
    Do not embarrass yourself

    • Oleg

      Well, in general, yes, strange moves

      • Ivan

        Nothing strange. Trying to play on those who are nostalgic for retro. Olik and Pentaks made a benchmark for the domestic market and were not mistaken (https://photowebexpo.ru/news/Pentax-K-3-Mark-III-stala-samoy-prodavayemoy-kameroy-v-Yaponii).
        The watering can does not shine with technical characteristics, but despite the exorbitant prices, sales do not fall. Nikon also hopes that there will be people (not photographers) who are not limited in funds to buy this fashion accessory. They were not oriented towards the CIS market.

        • Victor

          The retro niche is already tightly occupied by fujOm.

          What kind of z_fc has it in order to win over the owners of the equipment of a Japanese competitor? In addition to the controversial color)) https://cdn.nikoneurope.com/imported/images/web/EU/products/digital-cameras/mirrorless/zfc/images/z_fc_eye_detection_af__Get_Original_.jpg

          • Ivan

            Ask Nikon this question, not me.

            • Victor

              So you don't have an answer to this question? I don't have either.

              Let's hope Nikon himself knows something like that.

              • Ivan

                Perhaps their marketers were doing surveys in their focus groups. Maybe there are nostalgic admirers of old Nikon cameras, and not other brands. The logo was also taken from the old model. We'll see. The new Pentax camera was also criticized by everyone, and in Japan it became a bestseller. By the way, it looks quite authentic with the silver version 16-50:

              • Ivan

                By the way, here is just the same handle, which has already been mentioned. Here it is separately:

              • Ivan

                Well, for Japanese girls too:

              • Ivan

                And more:

          • Ivan

            Such a camera is worn for show-off, not for filming.

    • Dmitry Kostin

      You angry, Lynx)
      Let him live.
      Competition is good.
      PS> Have you bought a prop?

  • Jea reth

    It was the 21st year ... Nikon invented Olympus ...

  • 123

    Fuji is bought not for design, but for cam zhpg and color, color, color. Color can be obtained from any camera, subject to good shooting conditions or straight hands in the editor + a certain amount of time (depending on the degree of straightness of the hands). In the case of fuji + \ - normal exp and you have a very good color in zhpg. Optics, yes, there is a lot of money, but it is actually good, if you buy glass from f1.4, then you do not need to cover half your stop, you bet on 1.4 and everything is sharp ”on 1.4. There is one more point, weight. The weight of the camera + glass is very small, it is actually a cool system for every day that hangs around your neck and it does not bother you, does not pull you to the ground and you don’t feel it. You put a classic chrome or astia and everything is out of the box beauty

    • "Joe"

      Can you get color from any camera? Well, demonstrate your success in coloring photographs taken with the Leica M10 Monochrom, dear generalist.

      • Novel

        I hope you don't have it? And you, as usual, adore her forms as the forms of a classmate in the distant past - unrequited?

      • Jea reth

        Believe me, you are wrong to think that it is impossible to get color pictures from the monochrome watering cans, oh, in vain ...

        • Novel

          Do you mean the Prokudin-Gorsky method?

          • Aleksey68

            Incidentally, my whole family sticks to the pictures of Prokudin-Gorsky. ever since they were uploaded to the Library of Congress server.

          • Jea reth

            Nuuu, color separation was known before him. He just muddied cool emulsions.
            And so - yes. There are guys over the hill, very rich, KMK, who even have fun like this.

            • Novel

              Now your opponent will be playing in the most disgusting way. Are all leukari like that?

              • Jea reth

                Let it go. Taking into account what he said, there is nothing to cover from his side

        • "Joe"

          What made you think that I think this is impossible?

          • Jea reth

            Obviously your comment

            • "Joe"

              What part of the text of the mentioned commentary was interpreted in such an unusual way?

              • Novel

                The entire text. “Can you get color from any camera? Well, demonstrate your success in coloring photographs taken with the Leica M10 Monochrom, dear generalist. ” The question implies that color cannot be obtained from the Leica M10 Monochrom.

              • Jea reth

                Enough, please.
                The commentary comes through entirely with this thought.
                And, considering how you are trying to turn our conversation into a similar channel, I ask you in advance not to try to assert that I am inventing the hidden meaning of your words that pleases me. Your comment is extremely specific regarding the idea of ​​the impossibility of obtaining color photos from a monochrome watering can, since there is used a powerful semantic opposition to the careless generalization of the previous, let's say, speaker.

                I consider it my duty, with all, of course, respect, to note that you have chosen an unsuccessful way to manipulate your arguments in a dispute - to try to get to the bottom of the meaning of individual words and catch the interlocutor for their incorrect interpretation. Thus, in an argument, you can put yourself in the position of a person who throws words to the wind. And who then has to poke his nose into these words, which is an extremely disgusting thing for a self-respecting person. And the dispute is not about daughters and mothers for money, as my school history and social science teacher used to say.

  • Arkady Shapoval

    Dmitry Kostin has been added to the blacklist. The reason is the transition to personalities.

    • Novel

      But what is it. They sat just fine.

  • 123

    Dear Vacuum Horse Lover - Joe, send me your Leica M10 Monochrom and I'll color it for you

  • Paul

    Why do DX in such a body? FX would be much more logical - it would look very nice with old glasses, and so use immediately imposes a number of restrictions due to crop

    • Dim

      1. Why not spill the same market twice? Nikon seems to be working for profit. 2. Why not check the level of demand for a start on a simpler camera? And not immediately throw a lot of money into the unknown? 3. Why not heat up the demand, and then not release the camera at a higher price, but with those bonuses that are asked for more. And so on. I think Nikon, like all Japanese companies, is excellent at statistics.

  • Vladimir

    Successful Fujists.

    Fujifilm announced that it plans to close four of its five manufacturing facilities in Greenwood, South Carolina that make photographic equipment. The company announced a decrease in demand, and by the fall of 2022 will cut 400 jobs

    For non-marketers.

    On July 2, Nikon posted a delayed shipping announcement for the latest Z fc mirrorless cameras: "We have received a large number of orders exceeding our expectations."

    • Oleg

      At the same time, having closed all factories in Japan

      • Victor

        And it would be good to clarify that the Fujifilm factories in South Carolina produced QuickSnap cameras, inkjet photographic paper, color photographic paper and digital printing plates, which has a rather indirect relationship to the success of mirrorless cameras. And whether the demand for Nikon's subject is great, time will tell, but not the statements of marketers.

        • Dim

          Ford is cutting production of the F-150 of its most successful model, closing entire assembly lines ... So what? What have their marketers got to do with it? They have perfectly warmed up the market, and there is nothing to make the product out of.

          • Victor

            The statement that there is nothing to make a product may well be a throw-in for the very warming up of the market. Although, obviously, pragmatists will not run to the store even after such a "warm-up" with credit cards, they make such purchases with their hearts, but not with their minds))

      • wj

        Oleg, Nikon collects almost all of his cameras in Thailand. The closure of Japan's out-of-date factories has nothing to do with the production volumes of the Zfc model.

  • Andrei

    Canon RP is better then :)

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