Nikon Z7 Impressions

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Nikon z7

Nikon z7

Here I indicate purely personal impressions, they may be erroneous and are not intended to affect anyone's religious feelings. Once again, this post is not a review, this post is my purely personal experience.

I worked with this camera not only when it was together with Nikon Nikkor Z 50mm 1: 1.8 S submitted a store for review ProFotoSale, but also crossed several times before.

  1. camera control falls far short of professional models by type Nikon D850... The controls are similar to a mix of Nikon D3500 / D5600 (main control for one right hand) and Nikon D780 / D750 (main mode dial and buttons under the index finger). After the ruler D200 -> D300 -> D300s -> D500 -> D700 -> D800 -> D800E -> D810 -> D810a -> D850 с Nikon z7 you need to get used to doing everything differently.
  2. it is still unclear to which of the lines the camera belongs (for SLR cameras I have this is the gradation). To the ruler D850 or D780 / D610? I know the official position of Nikon, but in practice, many things do not converge.
  3. automatic focusing with eye and face detection works significantly worse than, for example, in the same sony a7 III.
  4. auto focus with auto focus area selection does not work well. But in general, if you manually select an area or focus point, then everything becomes quite normal. Most likely, algorithms can fix this in the future. In general, I did not like the focusing system, especially when trying to track moving objects from the camera or towards the camera.
  5. uses an EN-EL15a / EN-EL15 battery from mirror models (like Nikon D750 and others), there is no rethinking that this is a mirrorless camera that drains the battery much faster. For example, in Panasonic Lumix S1R (camera of the same class) uses a battery almost from a laptop.
  6. the Sony IMX-309-BQJ sensor itself has hardly improved in any way compared to the existing Sony IMX-309-AQJ in the heart Nikon D850... Can I get something fundamentally new with a new one Nikon z7 in terms of image quality? The sensor was most likely updated only for the sake of phase focus sensors and micro-subpixel lenses to avoid color shift.
  7. only one slot for memory cards (and this is definitely not the level of a professional camera). This does not cause me any particular inconvenience, but still, against the background of other similar solutions Nikon z7 looks poor.
  8. only memory cards XQD... Quite expensive (but in fact - very expensive!). At the same time, I do not see a significant increase in write / read speed compared to conventional SD with UHS-II support, which have a maximum speed of 312 MB / s. The common Sony XQD memory cards I used had a 400 MB / s write threshold (plus or minus this is the same speed that many other inexpensive XQD cards can be found on the market). If I don't shoot video, then I can get by with the most 'penny' SD cards without UHS support. The problem is not in XQD, but in the inability to use SD / SDHC / SDXC. The same goes for the update for memory cards. cfexpress.
  9. the monochrome OLED display completely fades in the sun and it is impossible to read information from it. This has never happened with the usual secondary displays on older cameras. The display itself is heavily truncated in terms of information content. This trend has long been seen among other Nikon cameras. Even on Z9 removed the second additional monochrome display (which was located under the main one in models from D1 to D6).
  10. the camera does not support a multi-function battery grip (aka Battery Grip) with additional controls. The handle is only for additional batteries (aka Battery Pack).
  11. Nikon z7 released in 2018, while in 2015 there was already a Sony a7R II of a similar class with similar functions (stabilized matrix, 42 MP, etc.). My point is that Nikon is lagging far behind Sony in creating full-frame mirrorless cameras. When Sony got its third iteration of cameras (Sony A7 III, Sony A7S III, Sony A7R III, Sony A9) Nikon only launched the first iteration of full-frame mirrorless cameras, which I am now complaining about in this short post.
  12. No built-in flash (for Nikon D810, D750 she is). A trifle, but unpleasant, first of all, this function makes it possible to use Nikon CLS for some external flash units.
  13. The FTZ adapter does not allow autofocusing with the entire line of Nikon AF lenses (including the legendary Nikkor 105 / 2DC, 135 / 2DC, 200/4 Micro, etc.). This is more of a problem with the system itself, but the Nikon Z system just started with Nikon z7 и Nikon z6... By the way, some models of AF lenses are still considered relevant (present in Nikon catalogssuch as 80-200 / 2.8 MK3, 14 / 2.8D, 20 / 2.8D, 24 / 2.8D, 28 / 2.8D, 35 / 2D, 50 / 1.4D, 50 / 1.8D, 180 / 2.8D, etc. etc.). The complexity of compatibility has increased once again.

The camera itself is not bad and even good. But there is always something to compare with, its main advantages are the consequences of the Nikon Z mirrorless concept itself.Advantages such as the built-in image stabilizer, a huge bayonet diameter (the ability to use high-aperture autofocus optics with F / 1.2 and higher), small body size, good EVI, focusing with automatic recognition of the eyes of people and animals, wide video capabilities, etc. common to all full-frame Nikon Z cameras.

Materials on the topic:

Full frame Nikon Z mount cameras

  1. Nikon z5 [July 2020, AliExpress]
  2. Nikon z6 [August 2018]
  3. Nikon z6 ii [October 2020, AliExpress]
  4. Nikon z7 [August 2018]
  5. Nikon z7 ii [October 2020, AliExpress]
  6. Nikon z9 [October 2021, AliExpress]

  1. Full frame mirrorless systems... Discussion, choice, recommendations.
  2. Cropped mirrorless systems... Discussion, choice, recommendations.
  3. Cropped mirrorless systems that have stopped or are no longer developing
  4. Digital SLR systems that have stopped or are no longer developing
  5. JVI or EVI (an important article that answers the question 'DSLR or mirrorless')
  6. About mirrorless batteries
  7. Simple and clear medium format
  8. High-speed solutions from Chinese brands
  9. All fastest autofocus zoom lenses
  10. All fastest AF prime lenses
  11. Mirrored full frame on mirrorless medium format
  12. Autofocus Speed ​​Boosters
  13. One lens to rule the world
  14. The impact of smartphones on the photography market
  15. What's next (smartphone supremacy)?
  16. All announcements and novelties of lenses and cameras

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Comments: 100, on the topic: Impressions of the Nikon Z7

  • Oleg

    Arkady, please test autofocus on Z6II, your opinion interests. Well, in general, about the camera.

  • Jea reth

    Compatibility issues between optics and cameras are already a hallmark of Nikon. Without this, they are not directly them. For half a century they dragged this damn bayonet, each year raking up more and more restrictions and inconsistencies due to their own stupidity. As a result, the entire SLR series of the system is marked by the question “What in this lens will not work with my camera?” ...
    That would seem! The BZK-system with a new bayonet was invented. Huge field for activity. Well, do you finally make at least a normal adapter from a mirror system! Where there will be a separate screwdriver, all the necessary contacts (remember the song about AF-S and AF-P) and this damn ring with a leash for transferring the aperture to the camera like Nikon Df! But no, the superbrain didn't work again!
    Seriously, I don't understand this relationship. At Canon, whatever connects from what generally connects - and everything works for itself and for that guy. The limitation is only for A-TTL and E-TTL flashes, and even then it remained at the beginning of the film era of EOS. And for Nikon, if you have a technique of some past generation, then one hundred percent something will not work.

    • Arkady Shapoval

      A bit of history about compatibility issues:

      The Nikon D1 lost the ability to physically mount the PRE-AI / NON-AI Nikon F lenses (after 6 years it returned again with some cameras, like the Nikon D40).

      Nikon D100 lost the ability to meter exposure with AI / AI-S lenses (only M mode!). The rheostat was removed from the camera to read the aperture value. Later I returned with some cameras (like Nikon D200, but not most!).

      Nikon D40 lost support for 'AF' type 'screwdriver' lenses. The focusing motor was removed from the camera.

      All cameras prior to Nikon D3 / D300 + D90 and D3000 do not support E / PCE / PC-E lenses (cannot control aperture).

      All cameras prior to Nikon D4 + D3200 cannot work with AF-P lenses, and for some that do, you need to update the firmware.

      Nikon J1 lost support for 'AF' type 'screwdriver' lenses, as well as AF-I (with micromotor) lenses, and later severe limitations for AF-P lenses. Wines on the FT1 adapter.

      Nikon D3400 is no longer able to work with NON-G type lenses (which have an aperture control ring). Only M mode is available! From the camera, they simply cut out the EE lever for the extreme position of the diaphragm.

      Nikon Z5 / Z6 lost support for 'AF' type 'screwdriver' lenses and no longer aperture rheostat. Wines on the FTZ adapter.

      Sometimes you can clink glasses, what and where supports what or not :)

      • Jea reth

        To all this, we can add the fact that on some older cameras (mostly film), optical stabilizers of certain generations did not work, while the rest of the lens was fully compatible.
        In general, I once escaped from this game with a Nikon system. It was enough to realize that nothing but the rapidly aging AF-Ss could be put on my D5100 in the foreseeable future, and it was possible to pack my suitcases. Not to say that at least something in the canonist camp disappointed me at the same time. I am more than pleased with the fact that the same optics park works for me on 5D, 550D and the oldest film EOS1 and EOS650.

        • Dim

          To be honest, I don’t understand the “problems” and claims. The “problems” raised, in my subjective opinion, are more likely related to my own psychology - I made an ambiguous choice, rushed about and let's drown out the dissonance ... Direct hysteria, something doesn't work there 100 years ago, there is a Nikon website, there are fans - read what works and what not and with what.
          I started with the D40 (I threw it out), then I took the D90 (the same as the D40), then the D200, after a while the D300 and D700, and the last D5200 and D3300. Now I have 5 of them, I recently bought an AF-P 70-300 - an excellent lens, although there are 55-300s, there is a lot of equipment - I don't want to take pictures. All the equipment that I have in my hands is quite suitable for myself. There are lenses, both new and very old, and all of them are interesting, even the very procedure of buying from the Japanese and the subsequent waiting is entertaining, I'm not talking about photographing. The current carcasses will take a break, I will take the Z series, the fifty from the previous review is fine in my opinion. The only hope is that the photo market I need will not collapse and I can continue to enjoy their products.

          • Jea reth

            Don't dramatize so much)
            I just want to warn potential Nikon camera buyers.
            We are stating a fact that still has a place to be. Or are we mistaken and everything always works for Nikon?
            You see, what a thing ... I absolutely do not want to understand what works where and what does not work in my system. Neither look at the manufacturer's sites, nor, God forbid, ask people on the Internet.
            I want my camera to have a system mount. And that there were lenses for this system mount. Such that if they got up there, then, attention, they would work without reservations.
            This is the concept of a system camera! When you take the elements of a systemic solution, you combine them, and they give you a tool for your task.
            Nikon has been spitting on this case for several years now. And for this business, and for your audience.

            Therefore, I see absolutely no reason to own anything from a Nikon system. Let me emphasize - I do not see. I don't even want to discuss any optics drawings, corporate color, other sophistry, usually cited to prove the advantages of the system. Now the market decides, and it dictates the need to offer system solutions. Therefore, each manufacturer of the same fullframes has standard solutions such as 24-70 or 70-200 zooms and a 135mm portrait telephoto camera ... I mean, leaving one system, you will absolutely find similar solutions from another manufacturer. No now - wait, they'll let you out. And they will release it. There are no irreplaceable ones now and should not be.
            And against the background of this outrage, Canon, a direct competitor to Nikon, demonstrates a clear systematic approach.
            So why the hell should I spit against the wind and sit on the Nikon, for which something does not always work as usual?

            • wj

              Jea Reth, all these delights of EF-mount compatibility became possible only because Canon stupidly left FD-mount users. Therefore, it turned out to create a new mount, modern, without problems with luggage compatibility.
              Nikon, on the other hand, did not dare to leave his users so harsh, so he just slowly upgraded the lenses and their connection with the camera. Of course, this resulted in partial incompatibility of different generations of technology.
              You can argue for a long time about which approach is better. For those coming into the system now, the Canon approach is better. Those who already had a lens park in the 80s will prefer Nikon's approach.

              • Rodion

                But now you can see who was right?

              • Jea reth

                Yes, you would still remember the transition from the general M42 to proprietary mounts!)
                Canon made a risky and humanly kind of ugly move, but in the end absolutely everyone won.

                I will propose to agree that Leica does the best in this regard with its M-series)

              • wj

                Rodion, there are no right or wrong here. That in one, that in another case, troubles were created for the brand users. Just all sorts of troubles :)
                By the way, the users of Sigma lenses have also caught the dirty trick on the EF mount. Around the time of the transition from film to digital, some Sigma lenses lost the ability to control the aperture - it always remained open. I personally experienced this with the Sigma 300/4. The same lens for Nikon F had no compatibility problems. A similar story with the unique Sigma 180mm 5.6 Apo Macro.
                Sigma then offered a firmware update to ensure compatibility, but only for a couple of years and, in my opinion, not for all lenses. It was a long time ago, I no longer remember the details.

      • Andrei

        Fortunately, I said goodbye to Nikon, I suffered with him for a very long time for our human life (6 years D80 and D750, planned Z6), but now I am happy and I am getting high from fuji (X-T3)! Now these compatibility problems of optics from one manufacturer from different eras do not bother me and I look at it all with affection and am glad that this does not concern me anymore 😊 Nikon, as they say, fucked up everything, especially with the release of the Z50 ...

        • wj

          What are your complaints about the Z50? I took it myself as a test device to familiarize myself with the Z-line and I liked it so much that I soon switched to the Z system completely.
          From the comments to the Z50, I would single out only inconvenient touch buttons that you will find at night figs, but no choice of native DX optics so far. The new battery format is also a little frustrating, but maybe Nikon has prepared it for all future compact cameras, then everything is ok.

          • Arkady Shapoval

            I have two complaints about the Z50.
            Here is the first - Nikon Nikkor Z DX 16-50 1: 3.5-6.3 VR
            And here is the second - Nikon Nikkor Z DX 50-250 1: 4.5-6.3 VR
            (I hope everyone understood that we are talking about a ridiculous number of lenses under the Z DX, time passes, but there are no new products).

          • Andrei

            At least one was named by Arkady, but a bunch of others followed from you and this is only on the surface, plus take into account a lot of what they chopped off to her.

            What used to be, what now, KROP has an appendage that Nikon pulls and pulls along (starting from the 3000 series, as many as 3 types of KROPs, at least) and now they pulled him into the Z series. Those. they have more or less decent FF cameras (I think the second series has already become at least something similar to a camera, and not to a piece of iron with jambs, as in the first series), and here they release the Z50 - why, one Nikon knows - a misunderstanding for a fucking thing money (since you can't buy a carcass, you have to buy either with an adapter or with a lens for 75k₽) and made two super boring lenses for it ... What prevented the release of a very budgetary FF, leaving the optics that they already made? Logic, sir, but it still came to their minds - they are releasing the Z5, which is also somewhat defective, but this is more logical and understandable than the Z50!

            It feels like an old bastard from the USSR is sitting in their marketing department and trying to do something in this style, I came across this in my city, it's terrible. It remains, for fun, to wait for the Z500 🤣 (but I think there will be something like the Z30 and Z70, which is also pretty hilarious)

            However, I suppose they will no longer make CROPS, I hope anyway ..
            And what we have now: Z50, Z5, Z6, Z7, Z9 (in the future). 50 as the fifth leg of a dog

            • Dmitry Kostin

              Andrey, it seems to me that the current crop situation is such that it is more profitable for manufacturers to sell high-margin goods (cameras FF / SF). Making cheap crops is no longer very interesting - the demand for them is not the same as it was 10 years ago. And expensive lenses for FF / SF are easier to sell than crop lenses.
              So we have to spin as they can.

            • wj

              Andrey, this is how Arkady named exactly the same reason as I did in the original comment :)
              From me, no heap of other reasons for the Z50 followed, re-read carefully.
              It should be understood that the Z50 is not a professional-grade camera, its capabilities and positioning are roughly between the D5600 and the D7500, so there is less demand for it. I do not find any cuts in it compared to the D5600.

              But I generally share your dissatisfaction with Nikon's policy towards the development of the APS-C line. True, there are remarks to certain points of your criticism:
              1. Z50 can be bought separately from lenses and in kits with both zooms and / or FTZ in different combinations and sometimes even bundled with third-party lenses from vendors. If something like this is not available in stores in your city, then this is rather a claim to the local representative office of Nikon, which forms strange kits.
              2. 16-50mm is actually a very boring lens, because it has just a miniature size. At the same time, the image quality provides a very decent one. I directly compared it with 18-140, and so 16-50 is noticeably sharper. Other manufacturers have nothing similar. Maybe Fujik's 15-45, but that one has just disgusting ergonomics with its power zoom.
              3. Cropped cameras make sense in principle, because they can be made more compact and cheaper, all other things being equal. Both the Z50 and the Z5 make sense. It's just that you don't seem to be in the target audience.
              4. For me personally, the Z50 is a very successful camera. It's just that there are no lenses for it yet. I would really like a pancake like the Canon EF-M 22 / 2.0 - it would make a great compact set for street photography (I used to use the Canon M100 for this).

              • Andrei

                1. On the official website of nikonstor.ru, only complete versions are indicated - either with an adapter or with a lens and their variations.

                2. The boringness of the lens is not only in the sharpness and quality of the picture from it, in fact, that's why there are optics 0.85, 0.95, 1.0, 1.05, 1.1, 1.2, 1.4, 1.8, 2.0 and even 2.8 ...

                3. As the owner of CROP (two - Fujifilm X-T3 and X100v), I already hit the target audience, but this device does not fall into my eye due to the scarcity (chopped off on all fronts) of functionality for this price! Take the same Fujifilm X-T30, there, unlike the flagship X-T3, only a little functionality is cut off (mainly in the video, in the form of greater compactness, but also in some parameters, AF capabilities and ergonomics), but the matrix is ​​the same and the image is obtained identical (as in T3, Pro3, T4, E4, 100v, S10). Those. if I buy any of the series, with a Trans4 matrix, a camera, I will get the same image, regardless of whether it is a budget camera or a flagship, or even a premium compact (in fact, it was exactly 100v that was taken). I did not notice such a pattern in Nikon that neither the camera, then hell, understand what I will get in the end! For example, Z6 and Z5 have different matrices, although both cameras are full-frame ... Actually, the same thing, perhaps, can be attributed to other systems.

                4. If they think a little bit in Nikon, they will not release anything else on it, the logic is to mold full-frame optics onto a crop camera and do not know any troubles.

              • Andrei

                As for the reasons, you yourself pointed out ergonomic flaws, some of them are duplicated on the Z5 as well. If the camera is crammed to the fullest, but inconvenient to use, this is also a fad - ergonomics.

              • wj

                1. Well, I’m saying, the problem is in the local office, not in the cell. In other stores, this carcass is freely sold without lenses and without an adapter.
                2. What does the 0.85 optics have to do with it? After all, it was about the fact that both kit zoom lenses in the Z50 are quite at their level, and 16-50 are generally unique in terms of parameters. And you begin to attract some kind of taste for the ears. If you are in need of super-fast Z-mount lenses with character, then they are already there, just from 7artisans, Laowa and other Mitakon.
                3. Nikon is very scrupulous in terms of reproducing the same color with his cameras, regardless of the matrix used in them. So everything that you praise Fuji for is also in Nikon.
                4. I hope this does not happen. Otherwise, there would be no sense at all from such a crop camera with only two lenses.

  • @paderinfoto

    Arkady, thanks! I am surprised about the AF of the Z7. It would be interesting to hear your comparisons of autofocus Z5 / Z6 with A7iii. I myself have read and heard in various sources that autofocus for Nikon mirrorless cameras works differently in different cameras:
    - in Z7 it is rather slow and thoughtful (like, not for dynamics, but for studio and landscape);
    - in Z6 it is much better;
    - in the Z5 it is about the same as in the Z6, only a bit faster, because in the Z5 the processor is not so loaded with “other tasks”, and the camera itself is still younger, something has been fixed.
    I own two Z5s myself - I'm used to ergonomics after the D700, there are practically no misses in AF, incl. on eyes and faces even on Nikon 85 / 1,8 G and Canon 135/2 USM. Even the third-party Tokina 16-28 / 2.8 hits the Z5 better than the D700. There is in some places incorrect work with the SB-600 and SB-800 flash units, you have to enter the pulse correction empirically, then the problem goes away.
    And here's another: Nikon 135/2 DC changed to Canon 135/2 USM. With an autofocus adapter, the Canon 135 on the Z5 works better than the Nikon 135 on the D700. Correction profiles in C1 are applied without problems.

    • Arkady Shapoval

      I have shot with Canon DSLR cameras + Nikon / Nikkor lenses :). With mirrorless cameras, mating just got easier.

    • Oleg

      What is the adapter for lenses kenon to body nikon?

      • Arkady Shapoval

        AF adapters already exist, for example, this one from Viltrox

        • @paderinfoto

          I tried it too, it doesn't work so well, I took on another company - so far everything that I was wearing focuses perfectly. 135 / 2,0, 50 / 1,2, 24-105 / 4,0.

          • Alesay

            What kind of adapter company, do not torment))

  • varezhkin

    Damn, an ambush with the readability of the oled display ... why didn't they use the usual transflective tft?

    • wj

      There are no problems with the readability of the oled display, just Akrady forgot that the display brightness can be adjusted :)
      I have a Z6ii with an identical screen, specially tested on it in direct sunlight.

      • Arkady Shapoval

        Yes, I didn't play with the brightness, but I clearly observed that at angles (far from close to 180 degrees) the panel becomes unreadable in bright light

        • wj

          Arkady, how the camera will be in your hands next time, check it yourself. With the brightness set to maximum, even in direct sunlight, the screen remains readable. At least this is the case for the Z6ii. But I don't think the Z7 was equipped with a different screen.

  • Andrew

    The best solution to the problem of reading in the sun

    • Victor

      Yeah, only three parameters are visible, right? And in the absence of the sun, nothing is visible at all.

      The best solution is a time-tested one - b & w TFT display with backlight, but Nikon pulls something into experiments.

    • Andrei

      I agree ;-)

  • Dmitry Kostin

    A buddy who has a D3X bought a Z6 last year but sold it after 3 months.
    Now sells all Nikon F lenses and recently bought the Z6 II.
    He takes pictures of his children at the Fuji Big Hall. Photos are wonderful.
    *
    Personally, I decided for myself: maybe I will buy X-T4 and EOS R (or for now Fujik, and then EOS R3), and all the elderly photographic equipment will slowly be sold - when there is too much of it, this is also bad.
    With some sadness, I recently sold the Sigma SD-1 Merrill with everything that came with it, including the lenses - it so happened that Protroyka, Impregnation, Canon Units and Film Troika consumed all my time, and, alas, it was gone for this camera. I hope she is in good hands now.

    • Andrei

      Come to us, we have good, the pictures are wonderful, the community is even more wonderful than any others. And we will give you a hint, and we will teach you, and we will give you the technique ;-)

      • in

        When you get to the full frame, let me know. Not a single Fujiboy was seen in the pool of photographers at the past Olympics

        • Andrei

          Probably because they were behind the video cameras of TV channels 🤣

      • Dmitry Kostin

        I recently had an X100T, I decided to sell it, maybe I wanted to buy an X-T3 or X-T4 :)
        Now from Fuji - 2 Protroyki and one Heap)

        • Andrei

          I have X-T3 and X100v, after Nikon happy as an elephant!

          • Victor

            Tell us what exactly makes you happy in these chambers after Nikon, and after which one Nikon manages to be happy like an elephant?

            • Andrei

              There were D80 and D750.

              • Victor

                Curious. Comparison with d80 is understandable in principle, but what about d750? What exactly is Fuj better?

                I have fuj and various nikons, and it seems that a certain opinion has already formed about them, but it is always interesting to hear other opinions from the outside))

              • Dmitry Kostin

                Andrey, for the sake of curiosity, ask Victor to show a photo of his Nikonov and Fujai.
                Can he at least show them to you?

              • Victor

                Dmitry, I understand, pride is hurt, please try to get over it. If you cannot sleep or eat without my photos, it will not lead to anything good in the end.

              • Dmitry Kostin

                Victor, there is, shall we say, distrust and suspicion.
                It is very interesting to hear what kind of photography experience you had, and what kind of photographic equipment you had. Was (?) And is (?).
                And then here it is 20D, then nex (?), Then Fujik has already appeared and some Nikonov.
                "It will not lead to anything good in the end."
                Well, we are on the photoblog. PHOTOblog. Here they share their experience. I am interested in your experience. I wrote about my experience more than once and brought photographs. There is nothing shameful in this to tell about your experience and cameras.

              • Andrei

                Unfortunately my comment on the d750 got rubbed. In short, shit. Mo and not a DSLR. D80 is much more reliable.

              • Victor

                2Andrey: that is, Fuj is more reliable than d750? What model do you have?

              • Victor

                2Dmitry: please discuss your distrust and suspicions with a personal psychotherapist. I am not properly trained to assist in this matter.

                For not so much experience in photography, about a dozen years, I have visited about 20 different models of cameras.

              • Andrei

                D750 err issue google online. And after the replacement and 30k frames, the replacement was required again. Plus, my device fell under both camera recalls in the service for correcting jambs. Those. the camera has obvious problems with the shutter, a lot of problems. Now I have an X-T3, on a test drive, they dropped such a camera and they went through two million frames and they would at least have something. The reliability of the UPC is also associated with the absence of a prism and a mirror, such as if you drop / hit the DSLR, then it has a direct path to the service for adjustment.

              • Victor

                2Dmitry: besides this, I am a lot interested in photographic equipment in general, even among those models that I did not have and never will. Everything is trite, this is called erudition, google about this concept if you are bothered by my opinions on the blog on various cameras, such as the 20d. I hope I satisfied your curiosity? If you have any other questions, please contact your personal specialist. Thank you.

              • Dmitry Kostin

                Andrew,
                > ”D750 err issue google it on the net. And after the replacement and 30k frames, the replacement was required again. Plus, my device fell under both camera recalls in the service for correcting jambs. Those. the camera has obvious problems with the shutter, a lot of problems. "
                Some Nikonovody did not want to believe me, because everything worked for them.
                On Friday I was in the s / c Tsifra next to the "Perovo" metro station - after the second repair I took Canon 28-70 / 2.8L from there. We talked with their receiver and, according to him, in the D750 there are a lot of stupid flaws regarding the electrics and a lot of problems associated with the electrics. He said that the D700 in general turned out to be stronger, and the D750 is the same budget in terms of development (design logic, safety factor and used materials) as the D610 +/-.
                Something like this. I also sold my D750 due to strange electrical glitches and strange work with my beloved Sigma 28 / 1.8. During the sale process, it turned out that my 2018 copy needed to replace the shutter under the factory warranty (despite the ridiculous mileage of about 10 thousand frames), but it did not work because my camera was not PCT.
                It is curious that the factory defect of the shutter lasted after 2014.

              • Victor

                2Andrey, thanks for your feedback.

                I have heard about the same problems from other owners of the 750 many times. Apparently, the camera really came out not very good.

                And Fuj has enough strengths. There is something to think about :-)

              • Andrei

                If we talk about the use of ergonomics, etc. That for the same money (I took d750 for 100k and took T3 for the same 100k), I got not only a reliable camera, but also a lot of functionality (I understand 4 years of difference, nevertheless), a bunch of buttons are customizable, the functionality is understandable cameras, clarity of JPG settings (those same films and their add-ons). In general, this is sex, not a fotik (yes, I romanticize a little). You take a camera in your hands and don't think that it can wave the shutter or something else today, you think more about shooting and light. + to all, a bunch of third-party manual lenses like 7Art, light, cheap and no adapters and old optics without the possibility of infinity, with a bunch of XA, low contrast, etc. (other bzk can boast of the same, I do not deny, but not to everyone 😉)

              • Dmitry Kostin

                Victor, let's agree on mutual ignorance - I already wrote about this below.
                “Everything is trite, it is called erudition, google about this concept if you are bothered by my opinions in the blog on various cameras, such as the 20d. "
                We have already discussed this with you more than once. And this is not "erudition", but something else, don't be cunning.
                I try not to discuss what I haven't tried myself. It's like foie gras and oysters.
                We are on a photoblog where people share their experiences.

              • Andrei

                Dmitry, you say everything right, BUT 610 series is a much better camera, stronger, although technically it does not reach 750, such as there is no rotary screen, etc. little things.

                By the way, Fuji (KROP 1.5, not SF) turns out to be the cheapest on the market, i.e. if we compare the price of optics and cameras of the original production, and not third-party (even cheaper than the Olympus it turns out, by a little bit).

                I've been comparing. When working with a crop, the main thing to understand is that when using optics, the most important thing is not to calculate the EGF, which they like to flaunt. Those. if you like 35mm - use 35mm, not EGF with 23mm. Then you will hardly see the difference in the picture in comparison with the FF (the depth of field will differ slightly, but insignificantly). A lot of people here like to flaunt phrases about the plane and stuff, obviously they are a little out of tune with physics. In simple words, you can equally (practically) shoot both on SF Fuji and on KROP 1.5 and you will not see the difference until you are shown specifically on it.

              • Victor

                Dmitry, I’ll say a banality, but let’s you advise me what to do, and I won’t tell you where you should go. I hope you still have enough wits not to bring this up again.
                All the best.

              • Victor

                “This is not erudition” - this is erudition, once again I strongly recommend to google this concept before entering the dialogue, so as not to lose face due to ignorance of basic definitions. Thank you.

              • Andrei

                Stop clawing, exhale, get some fresh air, and eventually clog. ✌ Better on the topic.

              • Victor

                Andrey, how is it possible to use the same 35mm on fuja if you are used to 35mm on ff?

                After all, the angle will come out completely different. Focal points for ff and crop will be different for obvious reasons, with all the consequences, in the form of a changed depth of field. This is neither good nor bad, but it is so, it is a fact.

              • Andrei

                With focal points everything is in order, EGF was invented to compensate for the difference in CROP. You just need to move a little further. Just 23mm (EGF 35mm) will give a different picture of a different nature. If you have crop and ff, just try it yourself.

              • Victor

                I tried it, it's over. Identical pictures in terms of perspective distortions (but not in depth of field, and not in the design of the lenses, of course), come out if you use exactly the same ether.
                Moving away is not always possible, as well as getting closer.

              • Victor

                But in general, Fuj, as for me, is an interesting system, for practitioners, let's say, who are not interested in selecting lenses from a dozen soap lenses, trips to services, that's all, just take and shoot. Almost all lenses are of high quality (except maybe the most budget 15-45), just take the lens not as a collectible, but as an applied tool.

                Yes, there will be a difference with ff in nuances, of course, but is this difference important to everyone and is it visible everywhere? That's the salt.

                Other bzk systems (with the exception of mb olyipus, but the prospects for that are still vague), crop systems, nmv, are only an appendage to ff, which the manufacturer frankly scores with.

              • Andrei

                If there is no way to move away, then you need to ask yourself the question of changing the location. When you shoot a certain genre, and not everything in a row, then there is always time to prepare and tune in and have specific optics for a specific task. If you shoot everything - 16-55 (or 24-70) you don't need more, no matter what. And all these "move away", "flat" or "no volume" - he bombed troubles.

              • Andrei

                Victor, you are all right talking about CROPS of other systems, because they compete with FF strongly. Fuja has SF and KROP and they are not competitors to themselves, therefore both are crammed to the fullest. And these nuances of the difference with FF are really noticeable only to pixeldro.chere. So it turns out that Fuji has taken a successful position, FF is pushing both KROP and SF on both sides, both technically and at a price.

      • Vladimir

        Come to us in Fujimir and we will show you that the earth is flat and stands on three flat whales and a large flat turtle =)

        • Andrei

          And everything around is generally in 2 dimensions and we walk over each other's heads.

    • Victor

      Correct solution.

      I noticed for a long time - more cameras - less interesting pictures, that's such a paradox.

      • Dmitry Kostin

        Victor, I still haven't seen your pictures or your cameras.
        That is why I see your opinion about everything in the world every day.
        The decision to sell is mine, it was not easy for me - I did not get rid of it like a rattle d750 and it is certainly not for you to judge this decision.
        I sold the camera to a person who has several cameras on Foveon - this makes it easier for me, tk. I didn't have to explain to him how to work with her.

        • Victor

          Dmitry, you forget yourself.
          Firstly, here no one owes anything to anyone, neither you to me, nor (strange, yes) I - to you.
          Secondly, you have no right to forbid me to judge anything, perhaps it will surprise you or even upset you, but that's it.
          Thirdly, the opinion about cameras is reasonable, and it was based, oddly enough, not on your experience of collecting, but also on observing others and even yourself. The more cameras a person has, the more he spends useless time comparing between them, forgetting about the main thing.

          If my comment upsets you, it touches on something personal, well, I can only advise you to turn the page and forget about it. No need to worry so much :)

          • Dmitry Kostin

            "Dmitry, you forget yourself."
            Not at all.
            *
            I have a proposal for you - let's ignore each other's posts, not noticing them on this photoblog.

            • Victor

              Forget yourself, forget yourself.

              If it is difficult to control yourself, do what is easier for you. You will ignore my posts - I do not mind, ignore.

  • Artyom

    As for me, it's such an excellent system (I'm talking about photos, I'm not interested in video)
    Yes, it is not without flaws, about the same screwdriver, but again, maybe it is worth changing the lenses already 😁? Judging by the DXO Mark, the same 5p boot is not up to the Nikon z7.
    In general, adherents of DSLRs in the Nikon Russia group annoy me a little, there are those who still drown for the d700, the camera is certainly excellent, but I don't understand the hate towards the z system at all.
    I had d3100 d5100 d7200 d810, now z6, and you can't make me go back to DSLRs)
    For me personally, the most important disadvantage in this system is the small selection of lenses (modern for the bayonet mount)

    • wj

      A small selection of lenses is a problem with any new system. The fact is that no other manufacturer has managed to release much more than ten autofocus lenses per year, often even less. Looks like they run into the limitations of factory capacities. Therefore, more or less complete coverage of the lens line should be expected only after 5 years, not earlier.
      I'm waiting for a 40mm "pancake". I would also like to have a compact DX telephoto set similar to the Sony 70-350, but preferably more authentic, for example 150-400. But this is from the category of personal wishes, Nikon does not have such a lens in the roadmap.

  • wj

    As an experienced nickname, I want to comment on some points:
    1) Yes.
    2) I don't think the official classification plays any role in the actual application of the camera. But Nikon, of course, does not help in understanding, forcibly squeezing models into those classes where marketing needs, and not common sense.
    3) Have you tried autofocus on the latest firmware? Everything has improved a lot there. In tests carried out under controlled conditions, the difference between focusing on the eyes of cameras from different manufacturers is negligible.
    4) Yes.
    5) On the contrary, the same battery form factor allows you to more conveniently use old batteries and take only one charger on the road in case of working with several cameras. And the big battery at Panasonic also increased the size of the camera itself. So for me, keeping the format is an advantage, not a disadvantage. And the new EN-EL15c gained in capacity while maintaining the same dimensions.
    6) What else could be updated in the sensor? "Layered" sensors, like those used in the Sony A1, are significantly more expensive. More resolution? I'm not sure that it was advisable at the then level of development of electronic piping.
    7) Yes.
    8) Yes.
    9) Have you tried adjusting the brightness of the display? At the maximum, it is quite readable in the sun. As for the information content - personally, I would even have no display of norms at all. But this is subjective and depends on personal preferences and requirements of the shooting situation. For example, the countdown that goes on extra. screen at long exposure, very convenient.
    10) Yes.
    11) Nikon is not far behind anyone, their first full-frame mirrorless cameras turned out to be much better than Sony's first full-frame mirrorless cameras, since they used the already mastered developments. Nikon's apparent delay in switching to the UPC has a good reason - a huge baggage in the form of an F-mount, which could not be just thrown away. Well, it is economically feasible to milk the technology as long as possible, beating off the last penny inherent in its development. Sony made such a transition much earlier, because she just needed to do something new to increase the market share, which even in the best times of the Alpha bayonet did not grow much higher than 10%.
    12) Yes. However, competitors do not have a built-in flash either.
    13) Of the old screwdriver lenses, there are very few of those who would not have received an AF-S analogue but would still be relevant optically. In fact, apart from the mentioned highly specialized 105 / 2DC, 135 / 2DC, and 200/4 Micro, nothing else comes to mind. What is present in the directories does not change the situation for users. For example, 20 / 2.8 is so mediocre that even an inexpensive Tamron 17-35 / 2.8-4 OSD zoom on a 24 megapixel carcass simply wipes the dust off with it (from personal experience). Why, then, castrate the capabilities of modern UPC with old soap optics?

    To the disadvantages of the camera, I will also add a relatively small angle of inclination of the display. When shooting overhead, it cannot be tilted horizontally, but only up to about 45 degrees.
    Also annoying is the inability to assign some extras I need. functions on the functional buttons that are convenient for me. This is common to all Z-cameras. We have to submit to those unclear why the limited possibilities that the manufacturer has outlined. Enrages!
    Well, in general, Z-cameras are good, yes :)

  • Vlad

    There are a few pissed-off moments in ztkah. Mainly for management, or those that can be fixed programmatically:
    1. Lack of 1/32000. Well, maybe they will add more.
    2. The impossibility of quickly turning on the silent mode (electronic shutter). You must definitely go to the menu. Strains.
    3. Inability to select fx image area with crop lenses. It seems like a trifle, but damn it, why ??
    4. There is no choice of different cropping grids - only 4x4 and that's it. In Sony, for example, you can put 3x3, and diagonals and much more.

    From the most annoying to me personally - like everything. And it all could have been easily avoided

    • wj

      1) I don't think they will. Still, it depends on the sensor.
      2) You can hang this function on a function key (just checked), then switching really happens with one click. It is a pity that there are only two function keys, this is not enough for me.
      3) Oh yes!
      4) Yes.

      • Vlad

        Tell me how and on which button can you hang the electronic shutter on? What camera did you do it on?

        • wj

          I did it on Z6ii (I don't have another full-frame Z-ki) through the menu:
          Custom settings -> Controls -> Custom controls -> Fn1 (or Fn2) and then select Silent photography from the list

          But on the Z50, this is no longer possible. You can only display the shutter type as the first item in the user menu and then call it on Fn1 (or Fn2).

          • Vlad

            Apparently, on z5 it is also impossible (frustration, damn it, I thought they were completely the same in control

    • Nicholas

      I brought Silent photography to the i menu. And yet, yes, there are not enough F # buttons.
      Here is an example of a custom menu from comrade Nasim Mansurov:

      Customize and menu

      # 1 Top - Focus Mode
      # 2 Bottom - AF Area Mode
      # 3 Top - Metering
      # 4 Bottom - Auto bracketing
      # 5 Top - Interval timer shooting
      # 6 Bottom - Exposure delay mode
      # 7 Top - Focus shift shooting
      # 8 Bottom - Long exposure NR
      # 9 Top - Vibration reduction
      # 10 Bottom - Silent photography
      # 11 Top - Apply settings to live view
      # 12 Bottom - Split-screen display zoom

      It suited me very well. A couple of changes only.
      I upgraded to Z7 II from D750. I am very pleased, according to all impressions, another generation of cameras. One minus (again, relative): in astrophotography, you can no longer use a shutter speed longer than 15 seconds, in reality 12 - the tracks are clearly visible. It is connected with the multi-pixel matrix (45MP). The same goes for the SONY A7 IV (60MP). (10 sec ceiling).
      I think to buy a tracking head on a tripod.
      About lenses - native S series - a miracle :)
      Sold, sell all DSLR lenses. 24-70 2.8E, 70-200 2.8E, 20 1.8G, 24 1.4E
      The reason is that the adapter is screwed up. It is needed, then it is not.
      Slowly changing to similar S.
      And to use, though wonderful, but ancient (read cheap) lenses on a carcass for $ 4000, if you are not a fan of mazahism, is not reasonable. And their resolution is already very, very far behind. I was very disappointed with the AFS 105mm 2.8 for this reason.
      And one more remark. Everything, ALL lenses need Fine tune. For example, the lens 24-70 2.8E program reikanfocal showed -1 at the short end, -4 at the long end. Believe me, at 45 MP it can be seen.
      Something like that. :)

  • vvs

    And I do not care about the suffering of the owners of the bzk.
    I bought myself a 610. I have enough for the rest of my life.

    • wj

      I just switched to the BZK from the D600 :) Not from a good life - I came across a copy with a shutter that throws dirt on the sensor and even replacing it in the Nikon service center did not help. So I decided it was time to move on. And I didn’t regret it! So, D600 / 610 are good cameras, the image quality is practically not inferior even to modern models, but the autofocus and functionality are already somewhat lower. When shooting portraits on the D600, I was constantly strained by the uncertainty about whether I hit the pupil with the focus, I had to do several takes. At the UPC, this problem is gone, since eye detection is carried out throughout the frame, and not only in its center. It relieved the filming a lot.
      And also new lenses - the Z 50 / 1.8 alone is worth it!
      So the suffering with the UPC is generally compensated by their advantages :) But your choice to stay on the D610 is also a good decision. The camera itself on the secondary is very inexpensive, there are also enough budget glasses for it. UPCs will be more expensive for now.

  • Igor

    Shooting with Nikon D3100 18-105f3.5-5.6 and D600 85f1.8D
    I catch myself thinking that if I switch to Z, my photos will not get better ...
    Who cares, you can take a look at my pictures on Igor Kozyr's Facebook. I will be glad to criticism and tips. With respect to the entire photo community, Radozhiva and Arkady ne

  • Igor

    Arkady personally.

    • Vlad

      You have an interesting profile. Kharkiv and aviation are two favorite topics)
      Indeed, there will be no difference for landscapes and spotting. Well, perhaps a little to improve the technical quality thanks to new optics)
      But as for the portrait, wedding, love story shooting - here the zonkeys are just a cut above. Featuring Eye AF and Fast Live View AF. When I have to shoot with a DSLR, I feel like I have my hands tied.

      • Igor

        Vlad, apparently you are just a class above, I do not argue ....)

        • Vlad

          I caught a slight irony) I shoot mostly love stories and family photo sessions. For me, the ability to quickly change angles (high / low) with constant tracking autofocus, in PM in the eyes, is extremely important. Sometimes I don't even look at the screen when shooting), in principle, you can shoot with a DSLR this way too, but the efficiency is greatly reduced and the percentage of rejects is higher

          • Igor

            Vlad, no ... No irony. I respect the pros ...

        • Vlad

          To put it bluntly, a DSLR is always tied to my eye, and a mirrorless is limited only by a long arm. Move your hand much more freely and faster than move completely. And with higher angles on a DSLR, it's generally a disaster

          • Aleksey68

            But what about those who have minus seven or more and have no accommodation?
            but nothing. UPC is not for us ...

            • Ivan

              Why not? The following way out is possible:

              • Aleksey68

                I was not able to find a lens for such a viewfinder, with which everything could be seen IN THE GLASSES.

            • Vlad

              In -7 you can't do without glasses or contact lenses. And with them, you can easily sight through the screen, as far as I understand. Or not?

              • Ivan

                This is a long-standing controversy. Here read the comments to the article, where Alexey explains why he cannot look at the display:
                https://radojuva.com/2021/01/new-milc-love-real-time-eye-af/

              • Trueash

                Not so simple. With age, accommodation also changes, alas, not for the better. For example, I have short-sightedness, but over the years, “age-related” hyperopia has also come. To target a focus pick, you have to look over your glasses. In general, crap; autofocus is our FSE.

              • Aleksey68

                just in the GLASSES the display is not visible. they have to be removed.

  • Sergei

    I will comment on the XQD. I have been using the Z6 for 1.5 years.

    XQD is very much better than SD because XQD contains MMU and SD does not. MMU - Memory Management Unit, is essentially a small processor with its own RAM, which is engaged in the physical placement of data in memory cells. It's the same in CFexpress. Due to this, you can get:

    a) XQD will live longer. SSD memory cells wear out during writing, and if you write a lot of data into one cell, it will stop working. This is not handled in SD in any way. The XQD MMU controller will write to all new cells, and report to the outside that it is writing everything there.

    b) XQD can use SLC cache. Only 1 bit is stored in the SLC cell, but it is written there very quickly. The MMU allows you to first write data to the SLC, and then slowly throw it into the slow main memory.

    c) The size of the SLC cache usually depends on the total size of the drive, so the larger the flash drive, the faster it works. Your "tests on common XQD cards" probably mean 64GB Sony G cards. Try CFExpress terabyte cards, treat yourself.

    d) Yes, the controller in Nikon Z6 / Z7 cannot write faster than 400 MB / s. But nobody canceled the reading. My entire 128GB CFExpress card copied in 2.5 minutes. True, this requires an equally fast SSD on the computer.

    e) EXPENSIVE. I agree)

    So, for me today, the lack of support for CFExpress today is already an unambiguous minus of the camera. I'm used to good things.

    • Dmitry Kostin

      > "Try CFExpress terabyte cards, treat yourself."
      For fun, I climbed to see the price.
      Price: 77 630 rubles
      Thank you, I'm impressed. The cards must be fast and the price is interesting.
      Approximately as for 7 pieces of 1TB Samsung 870 EVO for SATA

    • Novel

      Hospadi, my entire collection of photographs for 9 years of average amateur shooting does not exceed 1TB. And then, it would be possible to clean about a third, especially where there are series and sighting shots - it is not always possible to do this directly on the camera.

      If you shoot for yourself, how much will this card be clogged? Even during a busy month of vacation with filming every day, I didn’t score even 32GB. If you bomb, then usually the results of the photo shoot are dropped immediately, processed, and given to the client.

      Store photos on a card? Often they are more valuable than equipment, and a fotik can get lost, broken, flooded with water, and drown. As a result, we will have something that is used at 5-10% of the nominal and still fails after several years of intensive operation.

      • Sergei

        I photographed a festival in Crimea last year. About 100GB of photos a day - and this is my Z6, the Z7 would have done more. The festival went on for a week. In total, I took about 800GB of photos from Crimea.

        Not so supernatural volumes. And if you also shoot a video in 4K, so in general.

    • Novel

      Yes, and SD cards are also capable of something, it all depends on the complexity of the controller on them. The SD card includes an on-card intelligent controller to manage the interface protocol, security algorithms, data storage and retrieval, error handling and corresponding error correction code (ECC) algorithms, defect handling and diagnostics, power management, and clock control. Naturally, the form factor and price-size will not allow something supernatural to be inserted there, but error correction and basic mapping plus accounting for the number of read cycles are definitely there.

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