The new and most important reason for my love for mirrorless cameras

Real-time Eye AF

Real-time Eye AF

For 2020, I have worked very closely with different mirrorless cameras. Filmed a lot on Sony a7 M3 и Sony a3500, as well as many other mirrorless cameras, from a simple Panasonic Lumix DMC-GF2, to super-top Sony a9 M2.

For me, there is no fundamental difference when shooting with a DSLR or mirrorless camera. But more and more I catch myself thinking that the automatic detection of the face and eyes in the frame, followed by precise and consistent focusing on them helps me a lot and simplifies my work, especially during portrait photography (which is about 90% of the main commercial photography). For me it the nicest function in mirrorless cameras (it's a pity, of course, that not in all), which is absent (or almost nonexistent) in SLR cameras.

Some DSLR cameras can also detect face / eyes while shooting when in use JVI (exactly JVI, and not Live View), but it is done much worse (using the metering sensor exposure).

Eye AF takes away almost all the focus control work from me. There is no more need to drive the focus points throughout the frame and no longer need to hope that the camera will understand me correctly and focus where it is needed. Of course, you need to get used to the work of Real-time Eye AF, but as soon as I understood its principle of operation and tried it in practice, I don't want to go back to SLR cameras at all.

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Comments: 73, on the topic: The new and most important reason for my love for mirrorless cameras

  • Pokemon

    Canon R5 / R6 AF video:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZxF_ADf4eg
    The module is highly praised even by the owners of 5DMk4, EOS R, and all units up to 1Dx mk2.

    • Pokemon

      AF, rate of fire, and DD are the main reasons for the transition to new items.

      • Arkady Shapoval

        Well, the rate of fire personally doesn't really bother me or worried me at all, and even with DD, the new products don't have anything fundamentally new, high DD appeared in Nikon D600 (camera of 2012).

      • Victor

        Well, about DD, I agree with Arkady - there are no special breakthroughs here, I would also add the WYSIWYG principle on my own, and the ability to use exclusively an electronic shutter in many models (this is important when shooting time-lapses with panoramas)

  • Radmir

    Somewhere a little D40 is sad)

    • Arkady Shapoval

      Big plans for d40 in 2021

    • B. R. P.

      😪📷

  • Rodion

    Applicable to AF - cool thing. But if we are talking about manuals, then, it seems to me, there is still nothing more pleasant than a light pentaprism JVI. EVI with its magnifier is very convenient, but it loses a lot in the speed of aiming and reaction speed.
    At least, this is exactly the impression I got when I simultaneously held A7s and half-killed 6d

    • Dima

      I don’t know of course how it’s on the cool devices, but having the D7000 with probably one of the best viewfinder and pentaprism in the crop (in the D200 it was no better), I still liked the simple Nex-6 more on manual glasses, with its average 2,4 million in viewfinder.
      Perhaps on the wedges it will be better with optical, the vision is excellent, but still it is not always perfectly visible in the D7000 where the middle of the DOF is.

    • Ooopp

      If we are talking about manuals, then probably focus peaking, the decisive function when focusing.

  • Michael

    So we roll ... First, mirrorless cameras with auto-detection ... Then non-alcoholic beer ... And then what? A rubber model? ... Ehhhhh ....

    • Pokemon

      So 3D helmets already exist. The Japanese have already made games for themselves, where you can have fun with anime 3D girls.
      The future has already arrived :-) Welcome to 2021)

    • Arkady Shapoval

      neural network

    • Harvey

      It all started with replacing the film with a digital ... :-)

  • Sergei

    Arkady, what kind of camera would you transfer to as a Nikonist? Z5 or Z6? Considering weddings and family photography

    • Arkady Shapoval

      by canon r5, sony a7m3, canon r6, nikon z6 descending

      • Igor

        Is z6ii subjectively lagging behind r6?

        • Arkady Shapoval

          In some ways, yes, in others, no. Subjectively, its Dual Pixel CMOS AF II really likes

  • Yuri Molchanov

    For some reason, I did not have such a delight from the mirrorless. Of course there are caveats. The camera was not mine, and it was somehow indecent to rummage through the settings (let alone change them). Second. Filmed only animals. Either the eyes against the background of dark fur are not so visible to the electronics, or the cats are spinning too quickly. Therefore, for my purposes, mirrors are still preferable. Plus, as I wrote in the comments to the previous article, I have hyperopia and the electronic viewfinder is useless for me if the subject is moving quickly.

    • Arkady Shapoval

      and what was that camera model? And also, due to the epidemic, wearing an EVI / JVI mask often sweats, even if everything is done according to Feng Shui, and I shot a lot just through the main display, it is often very convenient, and when working through the main display, ordinary glasses must decide problem

      • Alexey

        ... and when working through the main display, I generally have to take off my glasses. which immediately creates a lot of problems - I don't see anything clearly beyond my nose ...

        • Arkady Shapoval

          and which camera did you use?

          • Alexey

            I have used almost all cameras, both DSLRs and mirrorless cameras. I'm repairing them)) so I filmed / played enough.

            • Arkady Shapoval

              everything is clear, some are filming, others are repairing

              • Alexey

                I didn't understand your comment. once again - I shot with almost all bulging cameras, including SF, both digital and film. and that is why I can compare what is more convenient and what is not.

            • Paul

              Alexey, how to contact you, the shutter in the D7100 has jammed, and there are no workshops in our city.

          • Alexey

            in general, I do not even try to explain to people with good eyesight the problems of mole rats. sometimes, when we go for a walk with someone, I show, as they say, step by step, how I shoot and what the problems are. when the people finally realize the full depth of the problem, then nothing but words from obscene vocabulary comes to their minds - "no ... I can't shoot like you, it's easier to shoot yourself right away"

            • Arkady Shapoval

              yes, that's right, at the same time, you need to understand that if this method does not suit you, this does not mean that you should not use it

              • Alexey

                Boyarin, how can you not understand - people with poor eyesight, and there are a LOT of them, CANNOT shoot as simply as those with normal eyes. and that is why we write our remarks, that for us, mole-rats, BZK are not suitable in principle. Well, I'm not criticizing the BZK indiscriminately, not at all, but only saying that there is a group of people for whom it is torture to shoot with this.

              • Arkady Shapoval

                Anyway, thanks for the remarks.

            • Michael

              Heh ... Problems of people with myopia - yes ... But for those with hyperopia, it is not better either. You either have to attach yourself with glasses to the viewfinder and turn the diopter adjustment - or rely on automation. And no LiveView mode will save you when you have glasses “for near” in your pocket and the object is running away rapidly or jumping from branch to branch ... So you think: I would sit at home, photograph a static object through a large monitor ...

            • Anton

              I still did not understand what is the difficulty of shooting from the main screen, with poor eyesight (as I understand it about myopia speech). Mirrors with glasses and glasses are inconvenient, yes. With the bzk, on the contrary, everything is fine, the focusing speed is normal, and there is no need to squeeze in evi / ovi. At the very -7.5 =)

              • Alexey

                the key word is the loss of accommodation. if it, accommodation, is still there, then even with a high degree of myopia you can live quite comfortably. but if accommodation no longer works, that's it. epic fail. the end of the life, so to speak))

              • Anton

                It's just that I still don't understand why the BZK is worse in this regard than DSLRs. JVI, whatever one may say, is less convenient in this regard. If you adjust the diopters through the eyecup, it can be done with glasses, with a small screen.

      • Molchanov Yuri

        There were all generations of Sony Alpha 7. The camera is small, very much like those who travel a lot. Since I work on a yacht, guests often carry photographic equipment to be repaired or simply properly cleaned of dirt. I held many cameras in my hands. And I know all the advantages of mirrorless cameras. Anyone who has climbed the mountain at least once, at least three hours in a row, does not need to be convinced of the benefits of a small light camera.
        But, as I already said, the LCD viewfinder does not suit me with farsightedness. Let me explain healthy. Through the JVI, I look at the object as I look at it live. Anything further a meter from my nose, I can distinguish as well as you. The picture in the LCD viewfinder is located a centimeter from the eye and the adjustment wheel, which for some reason does not help near the eyepiece. The same wheel on the OVI works! I don't know what the secret is, but judging by other comments, I'm not the only one. So it seems to me that DSLRs will buy, if only for this reason.

  • Boris

    I didn’t understand much about "blindness", but I will say that I have been wearing glasses all my life (and I have been for many decades), and, of course, during filming, inconveniences often arise, but knowing myself, I have adapted to various circumstances for a long time: where are the glasses? you take it off, where you put it on, where you click almost blindly ... Everyone can get used to their peculiarities, and you certainly shouldn't blame the technique. Of course, if your pockets are constantly bumping with money, you can buy a camera on wheels, because then you won't have to wear it, push in front of you and click occasionally ... It's interesting how in the distant fifties and seventies photographers worked with DSLRs without diopter adjustments? Among them there were probably a lot of "blind ball". but nothing prevented them from taking truly outstanding pictures. they were simply not so spoiled and sated, and they compensated for the small discomfot with creative successes. A well-fed cat does not catch mice ...

    • Rodion

      Personally, I had to glue a negative lens outside at the zenith without a diopter adjustment in order to see at least something. Although, probably, the masterpieces were created just blindly ...

      • Victor

        Rodion, masterpieces (sorry, good pictures) depend on cameras very little. More important is the state of your soul, which cannot be explained in words, but you can feel it, having a certain experience behind you ... I proceed from my own - I created my best works with the simplest cameras.

      • zengarden

        heh, in the 90s I also shot on Zenith - I attached glass from glasses to the viewfinder, if without glasses ... there were no such problems with rangefinders. But the BZK somehow quickly adapted to the EVI, after Nikon's OVI it became even more convenient (especially for manual optics).

    • Sergei

      Boris, diopter attachments for the zenith eyes of the viewfinder, were made in the scoop for a long time. Ever since Zenith-B. I remember exactly that Dad shot with one mounted on this camera in 1973. Where he dug them - I do not know, but soviet. Two are still lying somewhere.
      I am now also bespectacled, myopia. Glasses are not very convenient. Therefore, when I take off a lot, I put in contact lenses, and the glasses remain either at home or in a case in my pocket. When I tried it for the first time with contacts, it became much more convenient. I strongly advise all “four-eyed” ones. Conveniently !

    • Jea reth

      It's simple: corrective lenses were produced for the required diopters, which were inserted into the eyecup of the viewfinder eyepiece. This was the case for large companies for almost any self-respecting system camera. Now these are definitely still produced by Canon and Leica, I do not know about other manufacturers, because their proposals are not interesting to me. Nikon has to do pretty well.
      I can't say for sure about our zeniths and other creations of the KMZ, since I did not find the USSR. But already in the post-Soviet times it was definitely possible to order a diopter attachment for the eyepiece when buying a camera. I didn't deal with them myself, I say right away.
      But for the current lovers of zenith magic, Avito comes across magnificent gizmos such as “Eyepiece LT attachments”. As you know, the same zeniths, due to the ingrained inferiority of their viewfinders, did not have a built-in diopter corrector. Therefore, what is a neat little wheel in today's cameras was realized in those years in the form of a healthy barrel, comparable in size to the Industar-50 lens unit, and even on a folding metal frame. Nevertheless, the thing is very pleasant - it allows, within certain limits, to compensate for a slight plus or minus of your vision. I have one, inherited, signed in the 90th year of issue and at a price of 7 rubles 50 kopecks.

      And about the problems people have with modern technology ... I would like to remind you of the existence of contact lenses. Let's omit the cases when there are contraindications to wearing them - I know all this very well, since I myself am short-sighted and wear lenses. In other cases, this is exactly the thing that solves this problem at the root. They have almost no distortion and you keep your eye exactly where the camera manufacturer intended. And already bring the proofreader to the ideal. I use lenses in the same way as different types of ZK and UZK with an electronic viewfinder - I don't see any problems at all.

      • Ivan

        And yet there were "native" diopter attachments for the Zenith:
        http://www.zenitcamera.com/mans/don/don.html

        • Jea reth

          In-in, I wrote about them. Only I bought my Zenit-122K without this stuff.
          And the more eminent manufacturers have done everything a little more civilized.

          • Ivan

            As I understand it, you wrote about the "Lt ocular attachment". This is a completely different device that gives 1,25 magnification and diopter adjustment from -4 to +5.

            • Jea reth

              Why is it different if we are talking about the method of diopter correction? And even more so, both are nozzles. The increase in LT is a side-burn, just a useful plus of the device. Moreover, it is not always 1,25.

  • Boris

    You see, Rodion, you just got out of it, just as the photographers did before you; You solved your problem with simple resourcefulness. And so in many cases. There is a problem, there is a solution. This is a sign of professionalism: it is easy and quick to get out of any "ambush" with minimal costs.

  • Ivan

    Quite good eyepieces with diopter adjustment were made for DSLRs, for example these:
    https://www.nikon.ru/ru_RU/product/accessories/slr/slr-viewing/dk-20c-dioptre-correction-eyepiece
    Of course, -7, like Alexei doesn't have here, only by -5, but probably to these -5 you can add sharpness adjustment on the camera itself. But for the UPC, no such eyepieces have yet been made.

    • BB

      Yes, only these attachments have never been in real stores :(
      I also attached a custom attachment to the Zenith. And with DSLRs I mostly use contact lenses.

      • Ivan

        The official store has almost everything (though it's in Russia):
        https://nikonstore.ru/search/index.php?q=DK-20C

        • BB

          I didn’t find it in Ukraine 5-7 years ago. And the price tag is not humane. For this money, you can order glasses (frame + lenses + work) with far from the cheapest lenses ...

    • Victor

      Here, Ivan, I just wanted to voice this idea ... Nikon still has the best viewfinders (experience in the local defense industry affects). Nikon, in addition to the release of the brightest viewfinders (D 1 - 5 series cameras), also produces a variety of diopter lenses in frames for correcting vision, which allows "bespectacled" people to feel very confident in their work.

      • Ivan

        Yes, they have a lot of things, there are lenses that increase the image size for some cameras ...

  • SashOK

    I betrayed the faith of the mirror-makers' fathers!
    I went to the mirrorless sect!
    ;)

    • Arkady Shapoval

      you can only believe in photography, everything else is burned at the stake

  • Victor

    Which corrective lens will help with vision +2,5 on nikon d5100? Thank you.

      • Victor

        Ivan! It turns out you need to buy a lens with a +, not a -?

        • Ivan

          I am not in the know, not familiar with ophthalmology, how to choose the right lenses, in + or in -.
          Here is the list:
          Diopter adjustment eyepiece DK-20C +0.0 DPTR - FAF04101
          Diopter adjustment eyepiece DK-20C +0.5 DPTR - FAF04201
          Diopter adjustment eyepiece DK-20C +1.0 DPTR - FAF04301
          Diopter adjustment eyepiece DK-20C +2.0 DPTR - FAF04401
          Diopter adjustment eyepiece DK-20C -2.0 DPTR - FAF04601
          Diopter adjustment eyepiece DK-20C +3.0 DPTR - FAF04501
          Diopter adjustment eyepiece DK-20C -3.0 DPTR - FAF04701
          Diopter adjustment eyepiece DK-20C -4.0 DPTR - FAF04801
          Diopter adjustment eyepiece DK-20C -5.0 DPTR - FAF04901

        • Victor

          Victor, plus is farsightedness, minus is myopia. The rest, the doctor will tell you in the "Optics" store ... If your camera has a diopter adjustment of the viewfinder, then this is a big plus. If not, you can adapt it by purchasing a lens with an appropriate frame.

          • Victor

            Ivan and Victor! Thanks for the answers and clarifications. All the best in the new year!

    • Ivan

      And I think half a diopter can be adjusted by adjusting the sharpness of the viewfinder on the camera itself.

      • Victor

        Not enough speed, thanks for the advice.

        • Ivan

          You probably didn't get it. I meant that there are no lenses for 2,5 diopters, there are 2 and 3. If you put them on the camera, then the camera "twist" should be enough to adjust to +/- 0,5 diopters.

    • Ivan

      There is another way, but now you need to look for such components on the Internet. There were corrective lenses for the FM3A, FM2, FA and FE2 film SLRs. They are round and threaded. For modern CZK there is an adapter DK-22 You can screw the lens into it and change the eyecup on the camera. You can also add the DK-3 rubber eyecup and improve the ergonomics of the camera (the nose will rest less on it and the likelihood of exposure to the exposure meter through the viewfinder decreases). By the way, there are lenses without diopter adjustment. They can be used to construct this rubber eyecup. Combined with a battery grip, the camera becomes more comfortable and ergonomic.

    • Ivan

      Set:

  • Jury

    All health and creative success in the new year!

  • Vadiuhin

    Arkady, could you list those cameras where af has such a function? (Sorry for almost offtopic, everyone is talking about diopters)))
    And, in the meantime, I found a "blind spot": "... and you don't need to HATE anymore that the camera will understand ...." (In the last paragraph before "Related Materials"). (there, besides the confused letters, the "b" is also missing)

    • Arkady Shapoval

      Fixed
      In the eyes - in all the latest UPCs, in the face - in most ULCs since 2010.

  • Not a bot

    I fully support! Face / eye autofocus + shooting through the display - top, and the number of sharp photos has increased significantly !!! and you speak on Mirrors. Back-front is a rarity)

  • Vio

    “Which is absent (or almost absent) in SLR cameras” - but in my EOS 90D there is such a thing :)

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