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  1. Rodion
    15.11.2020

    Why is it better than the SEL 16 / 2.8?

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    • Arkady Shapoval
      15.11.2020

      it is better in the corners, at 16 2.8 everything is worse

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      • Victor
        15.11.2020

        “16 2.8 is getting worse”

        “Overall, I liked the more compact Sony E 2.8 / 16 pancake lens better.”

        Um ... :)

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      • Rodion
        15.11.2020

        The pancake is wider, more pancake and 4 times cheaper on the secondary.

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      • Victor
        15.11.2020

        At local flea markets, only doubled - 16 / 2.8 about 50 dollars, 19 - about a hundred in equivalent.

        But I'm not sure that 16 / 2.8 is only twice as bad)) Its angles are really weak. And in general, the resolution does not shine, frankly.

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      • Arkady Shapoval
        15.11.2020

        It's also compact and wider and cheaper. Optical quality is not the only criterion.

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      • Victor
        15.11.2020

        Then it would be worth clarifying that in the review the lenses are compared not only in optical quality :)

        I looked at the samples more closely, yes, 16 in the corners on the open is significantly inferior to this sigma, and can really take up only for its price and compactness. In general, I was extremely surprised, but 16 at slightly covered up to f / 3.5 is even inferior to the standard Nikon kit 18-55VRII at 18mm and the same f / 3.5, and the relative leveling of sharpness across the field occurs already somewhere at f / 8.

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      • Arkady Shapoval
        15.11.2020

        What to clarify? What I liked more 16 mm, what is written in the section my experience? This is my personal experience, I can write any subjective stuff in this section. In other places, I tried to indicate the objective differences

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      • Victor
        16.11.2020

        Clarify that “I liked one more than the other” not only in terms of optical quality (which is implied by default in any review, and no matter what section it is), but also because, for example, it is much cheaper, otherwise it can be misleading.

        Well, the master is the master.

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      • Arkady Shapoval
        16.11.2020

        and he told me overall I liked more what, in fact, is written in black and white in the text, and what was actually meant. But once again - this is my personal impression, it shouldn't bother anyone, since it has the most mediated relation to objective reality.

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  2. Anatoly
    15.11.2020

    Sigma has already discontinued the entire range of 19, 30, 60 mm, but you can still get new ones on ebay. Personally, I liked 60 / 2,8 the most of them, per-pixel sharpness is already given with the open one. The weak point for all three is resistance to the counter (especially true for 19). Ugly green translucent hares for half a frame ruined a lot of these same frames for me)

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    • Jankowsky
      16.11.2020

      I have 19 and 60mm. I use them on NEX 3N, a5000, a3500. 60 \ 2.8 is actually something phenomenal, how they were able to make such a budget cheap small but brutal "plug", which buries in sharpness in general EVERYTHING, including Zeiss, expensive L-ki and Nikon zooms on this focal length, nothing sharper and smoother for Sony E do not know and probably will not see. At the same time, in addition to sharpness, it has absolutely perfect geometry, so much so that even with automatic mixing of a huge panorama, nothing needs to be edited at all!

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      • Dim
        18.11.2020

        I have just 60 / 2,8 - I don’t know why, but it didn’t take root with me on the a5000, either the focal inconvenient, or something else. Directly excellent sharpness I did not see or an interesting drawing. For me, Chinese lenses for video surveillance through an adapter are much more interesting. Now the camera is equipped with a Nikkor 50 / 1.8 through a speed booster - and the focal point is more convenient, the sharpness is much greater and the picture is more interesting. But this, of course, is all taste.

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  3. Classic
    15.11.2020

    And where did you get what DN means for cropped cameras, there is not a word about this on the Sigma website. But there is a designation DG, DC, which just means crop and full frame.

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    • Classic
      15.11.2020

      SIGMA lenses with “DC” in the name are designed for cameras with APS-C image sensors, and SIGMA lenses with “DG” in the name are designed for cameras with full-frame sensors.

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      • Novel
        15.11.2020

        They produced DG and DC lenses for full frame and cropped DSLRs, respectively. Then a separate DN series for mirrorless cameras, which at that time were only cropped. And with the release of full-frame sleepers, we had to differentiate between DG DN and DC DN.

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      • Classic
        15.11.2020

        Anyway, there is a mistake in the text, because DN does not mean that the lens is for crop.

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      • Novel
        15.11.2020

        “DN (Digital Neo) is a lens designed for mirrorless cameras with a cropped sensor” - strictly speaking, this is the correct wording. For those who are especially picky, you can specify: DN (also DC DN) - blah blah - (unlike DG DNs, designed for mirrorless full-frame cameras), but it's too boring.

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      • Victor
        15.11.2020

        +1

        The specified wording is more than enough, as for me, since sigma has already managed to introduce some confusion into the notation (without adding the letter “DC” immediately when the first models were released), and therefore the only designation “DN” on the lens (without adding DG) is already implies that the lens is specifically for a mirrorless cropped camera, and nothing else.

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    • Victor
      15.11.2020

      In turn, where did you get the idea that the text declares the relationship of the abbreviation DN to the crop? :)

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      • Classic
        15.11.2020

        DN (Digital Neo) - the lens is designed for mirrorless cameras with a crop sensor

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      • Classic
        15.11.2020

        Any more questions?

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      • Victor
        15.11.2020

        There will be no questions, there will be answers. The key word here is mirrorless, and this lens basically does not have the abbreviation "DC".

        Below is an explanation (with a small addition - at the very end, instead of “DC”, read “DN”:
        “And I also got a question: why do Sigma 16 / 1.4, 30 / 1.4, 56 / 1.4 lenses have DC DN in their name (DC for crop, DN for mirrorless), while Sigma 19 / 2.8 lenses , 30 / 2.8, 60 / 2.8 have only the DC mark in their name. "

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      • Novel
        15.11.2020

        19 / 2.8 is kind of just DN, not just DC.

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      • Victor
        15.11.2020

        The note with “below is an explanation ...” is about this :) Further, there was a quote from the text of Arkady.

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      • Arkady Shapoval
        15.11.2020

        Fixed

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  4. Alexey
    15.11.2020

    Arkady, hello! I have this lens, and here's the problem - with the new Olympus EM5-M III in continuous focus mode, the device hangs after a couple of refocusings. It can be solved only by overloading. But with the old EM10-MII everything is ok. Apparently due to the presence of phase sensors in the new Olympus. The situation is the same with the Sigma 60 2,8 lens. Nowhere on the Internet about this. Suddenly someone will come in handy.

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    • Arkady Shapoval
      15.11.2020

      Thanks for the useful information! Therefore, I constantly point out:

      Important: the lens is from a third-party manufacturer, which imposes some restrictions on its practical use

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    • Sergei
      18.11.2020

      Try updating your lens firmware. This is done in the same way as with native glasses. I have already sold this lens, so I cannot test its performance in this mode on a new camera. But I have two sigma contemporary 30mm and 16mm f1.4, with them and hybrid AF everything is OK.

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  5. Sergei
    18.11.2020

    Owned such a sigma under Micro 4/3. At one time I shot pretty tightly on it. I bought it because it was very cheap and small, at the stop and 1/3 lighter than the whale zoom at the same focal point. Has distortion even on mic. In all other respects, a rather nice lens, EGF 38mm is a sort of Change 8M with a covered hole.
    I was also always annoyed by the appearance of this lens. It also loves to pick up dust and sand between the body and the electronic focus ring and crunch when rotated.
    Sold it after buying Sigma 16mm f1.4. I also compared it head-on with the whale 12-50mm f3.5-6.3 - apart from the difference in aperture ratio, the differences are not particularly striking. By the way, the last lens turned out to be the most underestimated for me. It has protection against dust and moisture, internal focusing and zooming (mechanical and electronic) and a built-in macro mode 1: 2 at focal length 43mm, although the lens is rather large. It has less distortion at the wide end than the 12-40 2.8 pro. So it goes.

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    • Michael
      18.11.2020

      Why covered? Smena like f / 4 had

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      • Victor
        18.11.2020

        F4 on a full frame is roughly the same as F2 on a double cropped. Your cap.

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      • Sergei
        23.11.2020

        Well, yes, I meant depth of field and viewing angle. In fact, given that the angle is calculated diagonally and the micra has an aspect ratio of 4: 3 versus 3: 2, when choosing an aspect ratio of 3: 2 on the mic, a little more crop and EGF in the region of 39mm are obtained, and according to the depth of field, the FF is hole 5.6. In general, the viewing angle is quite pleasant, maybe this focal point was used for a reason in many old cameras like the Smen or Olympus Trip 35, from which I unscrewed the lens. : D

        Sonya will have an EGF of 28.5mm and such lenses are also quite common for FF.

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      • Michael
        23.11.2020

        Clear. Yes, mikra is unusual at first)

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