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  1. Eugene
    19.10.2020

    For half the price there is a trained tamron 10-24 g2, though for dslr. But no one has canceled the adapters yet.

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    • Arkady Shapoval
      19.10.2020

      Remind me, how much does an autofocus adapter cost, for example, with Canon EF -> Fuji X?

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      • Eugene
        19.10.2020

        HZ. I have a canon)))
        The first post is to the fact that the price is not quite adequate, and fujik will eventually have problems like an olik. IMHO of course.

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      • Eugene
        19.10.2020

        Answering the question:

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      • Eugene
        19.10.2020

        +:

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      • Arkady Shapoval
        19.10.2020

        $ 200 + $ 500 for Tamron 10-24. At the same time, it is not a fact that it will always work adequately and work with certain cameras. It's easier to add another 300 and take a native one, while the native Fujinon will also have a stub and all-weather protection.

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      • Victor
        19.10.2020

        In addition, this whole city with not weak dimensions (the adapter is the same) will be deprived of all dust and dust, of course.
        Not to mention the fact that it would be good to first compare the quality of the picture on these lenses, maybe there is nothing to discuss here.

        However, to each his own.

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      • Eugene
        19.10.2020

        Someone may think that I am drowning for tamron, or even worse against fuj - this is not so. I am depressed that all the producers "tasted apples" and decided that prices can be driven to the sky. Especially hearing their complaints about the stagnation of the photographic equipment market. And don't talk about the dollar rate - a thousand bucks is a thousand bucks, and f4 on a crop is f4 on a crop. Canon 16-35 f4 for the same thousand and this fuj is not an equivalent exchange. And considering the prices for fuja carcasses, questions arise. There is no need to go for examples, hello olik.

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      • B. R. P.
        20.10.2020

        Agree.

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      • twm
        20.10.2020

        The “regular” (without WR) XF 10-24 f / 4 has been selling for the same 1k USD for five years already. And those who chose Fuj - they are unlikely to go to the Canon mirror.

        Well, yes, yes: either the Canon L series or the XF Fuji - everything costs a lot of money. And this policy of bullying prices - it was not invented today, alas.

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      • Victor
        20.10.2020

        Explain this “taking into account the prices for fuji carcasses”, but rather let's compare.

        Let's take a pre-top crop cannon carcass and a pre-top top fuji carcass.

        90d - 82990r
        X-T3 - 81990 rubles.

        At the same time: the second has a less noisy matrix, better AF, 4k 60 FPS (versus 30), higher burst speed and buffer volume, as well as a developed system of high-quality optics for crop (which cannot be said about the Canon).

        Now what? Not everything is so unambiguous in the prices of carcasses?))

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      • Eugene
        20.10.2020

        Well, let's tweak together:
        Compare the prices of white and gray equipment, well, this is ... white fuj is the price per weave of wooden ones, which is closer to 6D mII (RP costs as 90d). And here is the choice between top crop or initial FF. And in such a situation, when the price of optics is the same, but whatever one may say about it, the choice is really ambiguous.
        Does x-t3 remove 60 fps without a crop? Yes, yes, where is the dualpixel to Fuj.
        10 and 11 frames per second is a huge difference.
        XT4 how much does it cost ??? Maybe you don't need to add 30% on the advice of Arkady, but it is better to add only 25% and take R6 right away?

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      • Victor
        20.10.2020

        Well, let's cross ... it's .. well, somehow yourself, in general, but here it is better to compare.

        I have quoted the prices for carcasses of white supplies in ONE store, with an official guarantee for both for 2 years.

        What other arguments will there be against the “price of fuji carcasses”?

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      • Eugene
        20.10.2020

        Or not add anything at all and take the Z6?
        Fuj followed in the footsteps of Olik, good luck to him.

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      • Eugene
        20.10.2020

        In which shop? Well buy there, take a chance.
        Off price on the Fuja website is 100000 without a ruble. And this with skidons on the occasion of the release of the new XT4. That is, the leftovers will be sold, so what? And how much does the XT4 cost?
        And in general, initially it was about the prices of optics for crop and FF, and you stuck into a body that is no longer released, but give out the rest.

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      • Victor
        20.10.2020

        Explain why you posted a picture with the cost of xt4, when even a 2018 camera from fuji (obviously, I'm talking about an HT3) surpasses the photo-video capabilities of a 19-year camera from canon?

        Initially, I “stuck” (rested?) Into a baseless phrase that they say “fuji carcasses price tag ogogo”, so I gave an example of even a lagging Canon, which (omaygat) costs the same as fuj, but does NOT have on the crop of a developed optics system.

        By the way. Canon then you have a mirror, I suppose? Google the statistics for DSLR / mirrorless camera sales for 2020 for fun.

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      • Eugene
        20.10.2020

        And Canon never tried to crop, and I gave you an example of the price of a crop for fudge and ff canon, and I was outraged by the crop optics at the price of ff optics, and the crop of a carcass at the price of ff carcasses. I do not like the canon, look at Sonya Mark3 or Nikon Zet6. I tell you what now, you tell me about yesterday. Let's then remember about xt10, xt1, let's compare them.

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      • Victor
        20.10.2020

        And we can be indignant with anything, but it is obvious that if no one took the Fuj, it would not be in the place where it is now. Do not forget that NOT ALL photographers need a full frame with its bulkiness (yes, lenses, especially zoom lenses for a full frame have not yet learned how to make small due to physical limitations)

        What's up with xt1 kosyachny? Elastic bands lag behind from time?)) You can then remember about a jamb penny with a flying off mirror, that's where the jamb is so jamb)))

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      • Novel
        20.10.2020

        The new Tamron 10-24 also has a stub and moisture protection, although it costs more than the old one, not $ 500 for sure.

        In any case, if you have pro-optics on Fuji, it makes sense to take pro-optics for Fuji, crop their main direction, and not the dying (alas), like Canon's.

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      • Victor
        20.10.2020

        I looked closely at the samples of the Tamron 10-24mm f / 3.5-4.5 Di II VC HLD (I think that it was mentioned by the opponent above), in comparison with the previous Fuj 10-24, nmv, Fuj is a cut above the open, at least here such is the subjective conclusion. In light of this, it makes no sense to compare their cost.

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      • Eugene
        20.10.2020

        I’m sure that you don’t have fuja, you’re caught out of boredom. It is boring to explain everything to you, to argue with you is stupid. There was a Temka about a whale shit nikon z for an overpricing, too lazy to look, but weren't you protecting that craft for an hour? Painfully similar style.

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      • Victor
        20.10.2020

        In general, yes, you are right, it is stupid to argue, because initially thin arguments ended altogether, as we can see)))

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      • Novel
        21.10.2020

        Eugene, the criterion “I have no money for this” is not a criterion at all when evaluating equipment. Try to abstract from this, you will never have money for everything. This is not a reason to turn into a fox from Krylov's fable (or rather Aesop's), but in the modern interpretation - Rogzin and a reusable spacecraft, and think that "well, you don't need to."

        If I had some extra money, I would have got myself a fudge and a few fixes. Actually, it was conceived just like that - an advanced amateur travel phone with compact high-quality high-aperture fixes, making full use of the capabilities of a reduced (but at the same time quite sufficient) matrix. Considering the price and the chosen bar, high-quality zooms came up. It's good. Is there a buyer? There is. This buyer isn't you? Well, they won't be able to please everyone.

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      • Victor
        21.10.2020

        I will say this, now the compact rangefinder-style x-e3 is on sale complete with a pretty good 18-55 for 57k rubles. If you think that you can take a similar in capabilities (new, of course) from a mirror, and even a mirrorless of the same Canon, it turns out that absolutely nothing)))

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  2. Victor
    20.10.2020

    Those couch analyst theorists.

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    • Eugene
      20.10.2020

      Fans of mikra also shouted about sofas, about technology, about teach physics ...

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      • Victor
        20.10.2020

        Micra has not gone anywhere, Panasonic is alive and well, Olympus SOLD the photo business to another company that does NOT plan to wind down production.

        Negative dynamics is now in all branches of photographic equipment, all "thanks" to smartphones, but sales of SLR cameras are falling faster.

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      • Novel
        20.10.2020

        Plus covid. Pros are not up to filming, and even more so for tourists.

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      • Michael
        20.10.2020

        Sold for a reason. Olik has business, really not very much - I can smell another Pentax. It's a pity, I liked the olik

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      • Alexey
        20.10.2020

        Anyway, we say “Thank you” to Yoshihisa Maitani for the excellent optics, which hundreds of thousands of people around the world continue to use today.

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      • Arkady Shapoval
        20.10.2020

        Panasonic has a full frame, Fuji has a medium format (there is room to grow, there is room to go). Olik has only micra. Pentax does not have mirrorless cameras (hello from Pentax K-01 APS-C Kf = 1.5x, which was nerfed, and all sorts of Pentax Q10, Pentax Q7 and Pentax Qs with crop from 4 to 6).

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      • Victor
        20.10.2020

        Strictly speaking, Panasonic da Fuji will only be able to “grow” with the full sale of the “junior” system, and existing lenses, telephoto cameras, and portrait painters, for example, may well remain on the canyon.

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      • Arkady Shapoval
        20.10.2020

        More or less like this. But it's not a fact that FF lenses were or will be used on the crop and the transition is not always easy. But photographers are like cacti - they “grow” slowly.

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      • Michael
        20.10.2020

        Well, you can grow with a different system, especially since the same Fudge crop can be changed to SF, the same as Olik to SF) And growing is also a loose concept. As the main camera, especially for the pros, using the ITF may not be justified. As a "pocket" very much (I bought myself Olik for these purposes). About Pentax it meant that “the best DSLR on the planet Earth” was sold and resold many times, and he still drags on a rather miserable existence.

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      • Arkady Shapoval
        20.10.2020

        Nothing, you need to wait a little more, for 2 years now he has been developing the TOP cropped camera (I don't even know if this is sarcasm or not)

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      • Michael
        20.10.2020

        Yes, I really want to cry ...

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      • Eugene
        20.10.2020

        Nikon did not plan to do ff, canon did not plan to switch to bzk, olik did not plan to get rid of photoseparating. And only Kodak, as he planned not to switch to digital, did not switch.

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      • Michael
        20.10.2020

        Only it was developed and developed))

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      • Eugene
        20.10.2020

        And he accepted death from his horse ...

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      • Victor
        20.10.2020

        Kodak has generally released a number of full-frame carcasses.

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      • Eugene
        20.10.2020

        More precisely one, even more precisely a digital back for Nikon f3, with a crop of 1,8.

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      • Victor
        20.10.2020

        I advise you to familiarize yourself with the DSC pro 14n models, and the DSC pro SLR, which came out on both Nikon and Canon mounts, this as for the full-frame ones, there was also a 560 model with a 1.3 crop, and the well-known sphere of the digital rear probe. Maybe there were some more, in any case it is more than one.

        It is useful to know history, especially when you start to talk about it)))

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      • Victor
        20.10.2020

        Wowow, this is not even counting a whole bunch of digital backs for Nikons, series 100,200,300, 400 (with corresponding crops, where there were 1,8, 1,3 and so on), it's just that all these cameras are not very useful today, but full-frame DCS pro and software this day, amateurs live and use.

        Such is Kodak's “one” camera, yes.

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      • Arkady Shapoval
        21.10.2020

        actually only 3, and then almost the same thing. But here he was making just an insane number of backs, and all sorts of the first quasi-full-frame digital SLR cameras: Nikon E2, E2S, E2N, E2NS, E3, E3S, Fujifilm Fujix DS-505, DS-515, DS-505A, DS-515A, DS-560, DS-565 are all based on Kodak sensors. And how many backdrops there were is difficult to count.

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      • Arkady Shapoval
        21.10.2020

        Kodak was just the pioneer of digital and developed the whole digital architecture of the PRO 14 Digital Camera Architecture, but it didn’t work, it just didn’t work for him and Micro 4/3 with the only Pixpro S-1.

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      • Victor
        21.10.2020

        Well, pikspro C1 was a device from a completely different company, only with a “kodak” nameplate on the panel.

        In any case, there were not so few cameras from “that very” Kodak, considering the various formats, including digital backs for Nikons. And matrices from this company were found in Olympus, for example (4/3, not micro).

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      • Pokemon
        21.10.2020

        TwiceCrop is coming soon Everything.
        Sony sold its successful laptop division to the same office.
        Where is Vaio now?
        In complete nowhere.
        I noticed the people filming the video began to get rid of Olympus, and someone from the Panasonic double-crop. Some go to Sony, others to Panasonic. Until recently, a video was shot on double-crop. People are leaving either to Fuji (earlier on a6300-6500, but now it is not entirely profitable, and there is no development of the line (not everyone appreciated the a6600), or to ff.
        Physics (sensor size) and prices decide.

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  3. Eugene
    20.10.2020

    Arkady tries, longreads scribbles about bzk vs zk, ovi vs evi, prospects and so on, and then a simple announcement was bombed, even the pentax got it.)))

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