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  1. Oleg
    27.08.2020

    Masterpiece but expensive. Nice bokeh for shirik

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  2. Sergei
    27.08.2020

    Thank you, Arkady! It seems to me that it would be nice to supplement the reviews of wide-angle lenses with photographs of the starry sky at open and moderately covered apertures up to f / 2-4. This would make it possible to assess the suitability of the lens for shooting astro landscapes, this is now a fairly popular direction, and lenses can work very differently against the starry sky, especially at the edges of the frame. I would like to clarify this point before buying.

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    • Bogdan
      27.08.2020

      Pidtrimuyu!

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    • Rodion
      27.08.2020

      Not everyone has the patience and the sky for this. Then you can just do the LED test)

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      • Sergei
        09.09.2020

        Yes, this can be a problem if during the review it will not be possible to shoot on a clear night or late in the evening. Technically, only a tripod is needed, the shutter speed will be small within 20 seconds, I think. The LED is probably not the best option, or the LED will need to be removed as much as possible, as close to "infinity" as possible. It's probably easier to use the lights on the horizon, focusing on them with a center point, then lock the autofocus and frame so that the lights are at the corners of the frame. However, I'm not sure if this would be an adequate alternative to shooting the sky. My experience in astrophotography is small and I don't know, for example, a star dome from the point of view of photography is a plane or a sphere, and lenses with different field curvatures can work out these options in different ways. In the case of flashlights, we test for the ability to shoot a sphere.

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  3. koba
    27.08.2020

    well, how can that not write something about previous versions, in addition to what you said during comparisons. For a 24mm lens, the normal distance scale is not a matter of preference. So the sadness is that the last such normal scale with markings up to the obligatory 3 meters was made by the clever Nikon on 24 / 2.8 Ai, and already from the Ai-s version it was removed and reduced to useless 2 meters. Then, in new lenses, they made that 1 meter, I wonder why the scale was inserted there at all? For show, to look professional. Well, how can you not look at a similar 24 / 1.4 L lens from Kenon, in which the scale is marked just to the obligatory (!) 3 meters. Interestingly, in kenon it was accidentally done? Now let's look at the lenses from Lake and some other manufacturers - they also accidentally put and calibrated exactly 3 meters there, or even further up to 5, 7 and even 10 meters? And why did Zeiss, having done the same stupidity in the production of its optically remarkable 25/2 lens (the marking ends in 2 places), corrected this in the Milvus line and put down exactly 3 meters there? Stupid too? Unfortunately, apart from the 24 / 1,4 from kenon, no other modern autofocus lens allows the user to work in manual mode using zone focus. Is this some kind of collusion on the part of the manufacturers? I don’t know about the others, but I personally don’t need a 24mm lens without scale markings up to 3 meters (I don’t have to dream about more, more is already from the Lake area, that is, this is already a luxury!) And I don’t need it for nothing, I still think what to buy instead of the zoom, which I use at 24mm and get terrible ldistoria in the corners, as well as a drop in sharpness, and in fact there are no options for Nikon, except Zeiss Milvus, and by God I would have bought it, I would have paid 1700 dollars, but with it there is another problem - weight , not dimensions (which are also prohibitive), but weight! I hope I don’t need to explain why exactly 3 meters is most important for a 24mm lens on a full frame, and, by the way, why did Nikon calibrate his own 24 / 2.8 Ai exactly to 3 meters?

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    • Arkady Shapoval
      27.08.2020

      but where can you look at the terrible distortion of your 24mm? and it would be very interesting here in the comments to see a few photos from you, where you applied a 3m distance with a description. thank

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      • koba
        27.08.2020

        I don’t have a 24mm fix, this is a zoom - Nikon AF-S 24-85 / 3.5-4.5 (not the VR version), it has decent distortion, but that's half the trouble, in fact, its edges are inoperative, you can pull something out of it. then if it is very required, but it is far from normal quality. This is not surprising. By the way, his center is very sharp, there are no questions here. So I'm thinking of taking this particular 24 / 2.8 Ai, which seems to be better, in the internet one way or another I could find a comparison, though not with this, but with the new one, which is essentially the same in optics, but the chromatics of the old one is also decent, although and my zoom does not shine on this part.

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    • Alexey
      27.08.2020

      It would also be interesting to hear why the focusing distance marked up to three meters is so important. (never a mockery)
      I don’t have 24mm, there is 28mm, manual. there yes, markings up to three meters and a little further already infinity.

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      • koba
        27.08.2020

        from = in order to more or less accurately establish visually the zone focus and did not have to close the diaphragm even to 5,6. For 24mm with an aperture of 5,6 and 3 meters on the scale, it means that everything from 1,6 meters to 24,4 meters will be in the sharpness zone, and it is not difficult to measure 1,6 meters by eye. But there is no 3 meters on the scale and there is only 2, in this case the field of focus at 5,6 will be approximately from 1,3 to 4,8 meters, which is also not bad, and sometimes this will be required when we know that we will work in this " range ”. But closing the aperture to 8 will immediately double the sensitivity, which is highly undesirable. By the way, from the pictures of the lens itself shown in the article, you can't see where its scale ends, but it ends at a completely absurd 1 (ONE) meter. So I ask, I wonder why in general then it was necessary to make a scale and a window for it? I repeat - for a professional lens from Nikon, the scale ends at 1 meter, and for a similar professional lens from a kenon, it ends at 3 meters (by the way, that kenon, in terms of optical characteristics, freely reaches the level of Zeiss). And what is your 28mm? Isn't it a Nikon 28mm / 2.8 Ais, which actually costs even higher than a similar lens from Lake and many other manufacturers?

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      • Alexey
        27.08.2020

        I seem to have understood, but one thing is not very clear - why not use LiveView and see everything you need immediately, before shooting? and set focus and aperture as needed.
        I have Olympus Zuiko 28 2.0

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      • koba
        27.08.2020

        in some cases it is possible to shoot, but personally I have to shoot so quickly that it makes no sense to set a shutter speed lower than 1/1000, even at 1/750 they are blurry, the time for photographing one frame in most cases is less than a split second, so what is there to stand there and build a frame or the like, here (in China) if you don't shoot instantly, then goodbye the frame, and everyone dodges, cover their faces, move away, we are foreigners here, and so they often look at us for the sake of curiosity, and there is also a huge camera and let's shoot people in their natural setting ... So I have to resort to the “extreme” type of shooting, offhand, often left or right, fast or lightning fast, there is no time to focus or stop, I often shoot on the go, so exposure 1/1000 is the minimum, and as a result, even during the day, most frames “get” high ISO, in the region of 3200-12800, where you cannot do without Nikon D3s, and even from high ISO you have to pull frames ... drums shot with the new Nikon D6. Paid bloggers, etc. observers (it would be more correct to call them corrupt observers!) are silent about him, they say there is nothing new, and do not say that Nikon did a miracle in D6 - now ISO 12800 is working even at night (for D3s, this is still ISO 6400-8000), no camera in the world can come close to him. For us, ordinary users, it is now impossible to buy it, but in 5 years I personally will start saving money.

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      • Alexey
        27.08.2020

        Well, now I understand. these are extremely specific shooting conditions and requirements for the camera and optics. I have never shot this in such conditions.

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      • koba
        28.08.2020

        Yes it is. But in China, for a foreigner, if he wants to shoot life without embellishment, people without posing, there is no other way out, for years I tried to approach this issue from different angles, but in any case, personally, I could not find another way. And here this aspect of the 24mm lens manifested itself, it is with such a focal length that you can work very efficiently here, not lose frames, catch moments. 20mm turned out to be too much, since a completely unnatural distortion appears (the same if you use 16mm on a crop, like the equivalent of 24mm, but the picture is like from 16mm, that is, it is completely unusable, and there is no crop that would give such low noise while maintaining DD at high and very high ISO). For me personally, it would be much better to use 28mm, despite the fact that the excellent Nikon 28 / 2.8 Ais (it is better than 28/2 in terms of distortions, in fact they are not present throughout the entire field of the frame, and the sharpness is nowhere higher!) ends at 2 meters, which is a disaster for a 28mm lens (I wonder why Nikon deprived users of the ability to use zone focus normally in the era of manual photography, while Kenon did everything as it should be then?), but when using a 28mm lens, I started I would shoot differently, that is, I would keep my distance a little longer from objects, it would be even better for me, and the picture would become closer to normal, and in fact these days I am testing this option, but the first tests show that the number of lost frames increased, and in crowded places, during holidays and there is no place to maneuver among a large number of people, in such cases even 24mm is not enough, you need a 20mm lens. If one solution, at first glance, is the Zeiss 21 / 2.8, a completely excellent lens, and a markup of up to 2 meters at 21mm is more than sufficient, but the picture is already far from natural, and a 12MP camera will not be enough with such a lens, since very strong crops are constantly required, then you need to have at least 16-20 megapixels in stock. I also tried using multi-megapixel cameras, the result is zero, the blur is outrageous, working at high ISO is funny, since the files are already cleared programmatically at the RAW level (many photographers do not even know this, especially in the West, they really think that from a 100 megapixel camera you can get noises lower than 12 megapixel without software preparation) and you can't get much out of them. I even tried Fuji's vaunted medium format, the result is expected. It cannot compete with Nikon D3s at high ISO, files are also dissected there, since the pixel size is lower than that of D3s. I am not talking about the 100 megapixel version. Therefore, in top-end cameras, kenon and nikon do not yet put more than 20 megapixels, since the users of these cameras are completely impossible to deceive, and it does not make sense.

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      • Pokemon
        29.08.2020

        “I also tried to use multi-megapixel cameras, the result is zero, the blur is outrageous, working at high ISO is funny, since the files are already cleared programmatically at the RAW level (many photographers do not even know this, especially in the West, they really think that from a 100 megapixel camera you can get noise lower than 12 megapixel without software preparation) and you will not get much out of them. ”
        Because multiMP cameras are not adapted for reporting.
        “I tried even the vaunted medium format from Fuji, the result is expected. It cannot compete with Nikon D3s at high ISO, files are also dissected there, since the pixel size is lower than that of D3s. I am silent about the 100 megapixel version. "
        SF cameras have never been reportage, no one.

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      • Roman
        31.08.2020

        And 24mm in full frame has never been a reportage lens.
        A constant set of some strange and inadequate claims for the sake of strange and inadequate photos.

        If you constantly need wild crop crops at 21-24 mm, then you have chosen the wrong focal length of the lens. So, specifically for your purposes, you need 24-70, 28-70, 24-105 - something from this series, also with an aperture of 2.8, in order to make a normal report on a normally tuned autofocus without worrying about the distance scale. Which is used by a huge number of the same journalists who DO REPORT, and do not catch the Chinese with the sheets of explanations.

        24 / 1.4 is a lens for someone who knows why he needs, firstly, 24 mm, and secondly - 1.4 apertures.

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      • Dim
        28.08.2020

        Thank you very much for such informative comments!

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      • koba
        28.08.2020

        Thanks to the owner of the site for still developing it and now we have a wonderful site not only for commercial but also ordinary photographers, as well as the opportunity to discuss old techniques. There are also drawbacks here, more than once they wrote that at least basic objective technical tests, just a few files, would not interfere, but this is at the discretion of the respected Arkady. To the above, I can add that Leisa essentially lives off the zone focus, and its owners get wonderful photos where everything is sharp, much sharper than with autofocus lenses. Today I found a 24 mm lens from Lake of the R system, converted for Nikon (in AI), of course, everything is in order with the markings, but I'm not sure that the picture quality will be at the level of a real Lake, although I should look at it in work, but the seller does not give for testing, you have to pay 800 dollars right away, he says come to the store and test as much as you want, but the store is located 800 kilometers from my city ... Is it by chance that someone from the visitors of this site has this lens from Lake to share their experience?

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  4. Irina
    28.08.2020

    Very nice lens)
    Thank you for the article)

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  5. Andrei
    01.09.2020

    Average

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