Fallen Digital Mirror Systems

A small historical excursion into digital SLR cameras (CZK) that stopped their development (they simply died, or switched to mirrorless side).

About the dead TsZK

About the dead TsZK

Kodak (architecture PRO 14)

There were only 3 Kodak DSLR cameras (namely classic cameras, not digital backs on the chassis of film cameras):

  1. Kodak DCS PRO 14n (Nikon F mount) presented September 24, 2002
  2. Kodak DCS Pro SLR / n (Nikon F mount) introduced February 12, 2004
  3. Kodak DCS Pro SLR / c (Canon EF), introduced March 18, 2004

Some of these cameras were in subversion with a monochrome sensor, some with additional upgrades of the buffer memory and sensor.

All these cameras are full-frame, with very, very interesting features. Incredible tools for his time. Unfortunately, the special camera architecture 'PRO 14 Digital Camera Architecture', on which these cameras were based, did not receive further development and Kodak DSLRs ceased to develop.

Due to the fact that Kodak CZK used Nikon / Canon mounts, it cannot be said that Kodak was a full-fledged digital mirror system.

Subsequently, Kodak in the world of narrow format could see only one weak attempt to develop in the face of a mirrorless camera Kodak Pixpro S-1.

Fujifilm

As early as January 2000, Fujifilm began to produce its own CZKs, which were based on some Nikon film cameras, from which the Fujifilm CZKs used the Nikon F mount and lenses and peripherals from Nikon cameras.

  1. Fujifilm FinePix S1 Pro
  2. Fujifilm FinePix S2 Pro
  3. Fujifilm FinePix S3 Pro + version Fujifilm FinePix S3 Pro UVIR
  4. Fujifilm FinePix S5 Pro + version Fujifilm FinePix IS Pro

This is not to say that it was a full-fledged mirror system, but at the same time, the heart of these cameras was Fujifilm's own unique development.

The last of the CJC Fujifilm was introduced back in 2007. Five years later, on January 10, 2012 Fujifilm began to produce a complete system in the face of mirrorless cropped cameras Fujifilm X, and a little later, medium format mirrorless Fujifilm gx.

Samsung

Samsung has released its CZK and lenses to them, which were just a rebranding of some Pentax lenses and cameras.

Samsung GX cameras:

  1. Samsung GX-1S (Pentax * ist DS2 copy)
  2. Samsung GX-1L (Pentax * ist DL2 copy)
  3. Samsung GX-10 (copy Pentax K10D)
  4. Samsung GX-20 (copy Pentax K20D)

Lenses Samsung / Schneider-Kreuznach:

In theory, all lenses existed under the names 'Samsung' and 'Schneider-Kreuznach' at the same time, but sometimes only one spelling of the name could be found on sale.

Samsung GX is completely dead. In the future, the company began to develop a mirrorless system Samsung NX (and NX-M) that befell the same fate.

Konica Minolta

Cameras use A mount.

There were only 2 CZK Konica Minolta:

  1. Konica Minolta Dynax 7d (camera also sold under the names Konica Minolta Alpha [α] 7D и Konica Minolta Maxxum 7D), presented on September 15, 2004
  2. Konica Minolta Dynax 5d (camera also sold under the names Konica Minolta Alpha [α] Sweet Digital и Konica Minolta Maxxum 5D), presented July 15, 2005

Original Konica Minolta DT lenses for cameras with APS-C sensor:

  1. Konica Minolta AF DT Zoom 11-18mm 1: 4.5 (22) -5.6 D later issued under the name Sony DT 4.5-5.6 / 11-18 (SAL1118) (most likely similar Tamron model a13)
  2. Konica Minolta AF Zoom DT 18-70mm f / 3.5-5.6 (D) Macro later issued under the name Sony DT 3.5-5.6 / 18-70mm MACRO
  3. Konica Minolta AF Zoom DT 18-200mm f / 3.5-6.3 (D) was later released under the name Sony DT 3.5-6.3 / 18-200 (most likely similar Tamron AF 18-200mm f / 3.5-6.3 (IF) Aspherical LD ​​XR DiII Macro Model A14 и PROMASTER DIGITAL XR EDO AF Aspherical LD ​​(IF) 18-200mm 1: 3.5-6.3 Macro)

From Konica Minolta [α] Alpha and traces its pedigree to the Sony Alpha [α] camera series. The Konica Minolta photo brand was taken over by Sony. Konica Minolta's 'classic' CPCs are completely dead.

Sigma

Bayonet Sigma SA. The cameras were and remain very interesting thanks to the unusual Foveon X3 image sensor:

  • Sigma SD9, February 18, 2002, Foveon X3 with a sensor size of 20.7 mm X 13.8 mm, Kf = 1.74X
  • Sigma SD10, October 27, 2003, Foveon X3 with a sensor size of 20.7 mm X 13.8 mm, Kf = 1.74X
  • Sigma SD14March 6, 2007, Foveon X3 with a sensor size of 20.7 mm X 13.8 mm, Kf = 1.74X
  • Sigma SD15, February 20, 2010, Foveon X3 with a sensor size of 20.7 mm X 13.8 mm, Kf = 1.74X
  • Sigma SD1September 21, 2010, Foveon X3 APS-C Kf = 1.5X
  • Sigma sd1 merril, February 2012, Foveon X3 APS-C Kf = 1.5X

The last camera was born in 2012, and further development of the lineup was virtually discontinued. To replace the last SLR camera Sigma sd1 merril mirrorless came out in 2016 Sigma sd quattro и Sigma sd quattro hfurther development of which will also be discontinued or replaced with full-frame Sigma cameras based on the Foveon sensor.

There are a lot of cropped lenses for Sigma SA, and there is no way to list them all. Some crooked Sigma lenses for the Sigma SA mount are still available. Despite his decent age, Sigma sd1 merril still considered an actual camera. And the survivability of the Sigma SA mount is also due to the fact that mirrorless cameras Sigma sd quattro и Sigma sd quattro h also use the Sigma SA 'mirror' mount. But the Sigma SA CPC have no further development.

Sony (DSLR!)

Sony's classic SLR cameras have also ceased to exist. They were replaced by cameras with a translucent mirror Sony SLT.

Cropped CZK Sony APS-C:

  1. Sony a100
  2. Sony a200
  3. Sony a230
  4. Sony a290
  5. Sony a300
  6. Sony a330
  7. Sony a350
  8. Sony a380
  9. Sony a390
  10. Sony a450
  11. Sony a500
  12. Sony a550
  13. Sony a560
  14. Sony a580
  15. Sony a700

Sony Full Frame CZK:

  1. Sony a850
  2. Sony a900

The last classic digital SLR camera from Sony was introduced back in 2010 (models Sony a580 / Sony a560). But overall, Sony's 'mirror' system continues to exist, albeit with a translucent mirror. SLT cameras inherit the Sony A (Konica Minolta A) mount and the entire optics park developed for it. True, the current lineup of Sony SLT cameras is rather scarce, and some of them have not been updated for a long time.

Sony (SLT!)

Sony's translucent mirror cameras stopped being updated in 2016 and are also an extinct evolutionary branch.

Crop Sony SLT APS-C CZK:

  1. Sony a33
  2. Sony a35
  3. Sony a37
  4. Sony a55
  5. Sony a57
  6. Sony a58
  7. Sony a65
  8. Sony a68
  9. Sony a77
  10. Sony a77 II

Full-frame Sony SLT models:

  1. Sony a99
  2. Sony a99 II

All Sony DT Lenses

  1. Sony 35 / 1.8 SAM
  2. Sony 50 / 1.8 SAM
  3. Sony 11-18 / 4.5-5.6, based Konica Minolta 11-18 / 4.5-5.6the circuit is similar Tamron / Promaster 11-18 / 4.5-5.6 model A13
  4. Sony 16-50 / 2.8 SSM
  5. Sony 16-80 / 3.5-4.5 Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T * ZA
  6. Sony 16-105 / 3.5-5.6
  7. Sony 18-55 / 3.5-5.6 SAM
  8. Sony 18-55 / 3.5-5.6 SAM II
  9. Sony 18-70 / 3.5-5.6, based Konica Minolta 18-70 / 3.5-5.6
  10. Sony 18-135 / 3.5-5.6 SAM
  11. Sony 18-200 / 3.5-6.3, based on Konica Minolta 18-200 / 3.5-6.3, the circuit is the same Tamron / Promaster 18-200 / 3.5-6.3 model A14
  12. Sony 18-250 / 3.5-6.3the circuit is similar Tamron 18-250 / 3.5-6.3 model A18, Pentax / Samsung 18-250 / 3.5-6.3
  13. Sony 55-200 / 4-5.6, the scheme is similar Tamron / Quantaray 55-200 / 4-5.6 model A15
  14. Sony 55-200 / 4-5.6 SAMthe circuit is similar Tamron / Quantaray 55-200 / 4-5.6 model A15
  15. Sony 55-300 / 4.5-5.6 SAM

There are a lot of Sony / Minolta A mount full frame lenses. I will highlight only interesting Zeiss Alpha (ZA):

  1. Carl Zeiss Distagon 2/24 ZA T * SSM (Sony SAL24F20Z) [2010]
  2. Carl Zeiss planar 1.4 /50 ZA T * SSM (Sony SAL50F14Z)
  3. Carl Zeiss planar 1.4 /85 ZA T * (Sony SAL85F14Z) [2006]
  4. Carl Zeiss Sonnar 1.8 /135 ZA T * (SAL135F18Z) [2006]
  5. Carl Zeiss Vario-sonnar 2.8 /16-35 ZA T * SSM (Sony SAL1635Z) [2008]
  6. Zeiss Vario-sonnar 2.8 /16-35 ZA SSM II T * (Sony SAL1635Z2) [2015]
  7. Carl Zeiss Vario-sonnar 2.8 /24-70 ZA T * SSM (Sony SAL2470Z) [2008]
  8. Zeiss Vario-sonnar 2.8 /24-70 ZA SSM II T * (Sony SAL2470Z2) [2015]

Leica / Olympus / Panasonic 4/3

Do not confuse the 4/3 mirror system with the Micro 4/3 mirrorless system!

Four Thirds includes several manufacturers that have cameras with the same mount. Crop factor for these cameras is Kf = 2.0X.

CZK Leica:

  1. Leica Digilux 3 (similar to Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1)

CZK Olympus:

  1. Olympus E-1
  2. Olympus E-3
  3. Olympus E-5
  4. Olympus E-30
  5. Olympus E-300
  6. Olympus E-330
  7. Olympus E-400
  8. Olympus E-410
  9. Olympus E-420
  10. Olympus E-450
  11. Olympus E-500
  12. Olympus E-510
  13. Olympus E-520
  14. Olympus E-600
  15. Olympus E-620

CZK Panasonic:

  1. Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1, February 2006, one of the first CZK with Live View
  2. Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10August 2007

There were about 30 autofocus lenses for the system from Olympus and Panasonic / Lecia, I will separately indicate here only Panasonic / LEICA lenses for 4/3:

  1. LEICA D SUMMILUX 1: 1.4 / 25 ASPH.
  2. LEICA D VARIO-ELMARIT 1: 2.8-3.5 / 14-50 ASPH. MEGA OIS
  3. LEICA D VARIO-ELMAR 1: 3.8-5.6 / 14-50 ASPH. MEGA OIS
  4. LEICA D VARIO-ELMAR 1: 3.5-5.6 / 14-150 ASPH. MEGA OIS

The 4/3 system has completely ceased to exist.

Subsequently, Panasonic and Olympus switched to the mirrorless Micro 4/3 system.

Leica switched to the Leica TL mirrorless cameras and later to the SL.

Results

Many well-known digital SLR systems completely (Fujifilm, Samsung, Kodak, Konica Minolta, Panasonic / Olympus / Leica 4/3) or partially (Sigma, Sony) ceased to exist. Fujifilm, Samsung, Panasonic / Olympus, Sigma, Sony, and even Leica and Zeiss switched to the mirrorless direction.

Looking at history of the above brands, it is safe to say that the mirror titans of Canon, Nikon and Sony SLT are waiting for a complete transition to the mirrorless paradigm. Even worse is the situation with Pentax, which may not survive the massive transition to mirrorless.

Materials on the topic

  1. Full-frame mirrorless systems. List of all cameras and lenses to them. Mirrorless fever, discussion, choice and more
  2. All cropped mirrorless cameras, discussion of systems
  3. Mirrorless crop that has stopped or is stopping its development
  4. Fallen Digital Mirror Systems
  5. JVI or EVI
  6. About mirrorless batteries
  7. Simple and clear medium format
  8. Smartphone Impact
  9. All announcements and news
  10. What's next?

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  • Anonymous

    Eternal insults at the USSR, at power. Not even interesting already ... :(
    Well, there was no toilet paper, and what? was there a problem? But all the farts were strong and did not burn for the slightest reason.
    The cameras are getting better and better, but the pictures are still the same ... And the aesthetes, no, no, and they will buy themselves an old 6-megapixel one ... or fill a roll in a film-holder - For myself, for the soul, so to speak.

    • Alexander

      I agree with you on the second part of your message ... But what does the “offended at the USSR” have to do with it ...? In the USSR, there was everything for a normal life, the main thing - there were no capitalists and oligarchs and there were high-quality products ... And now those who were offended, let this toilet paper wipe the chemistry that gets out of the ass from chemical products ...

      • Pokemon

        In addition to trips abroad, high-quality office equipment / electronics and imported clothing.

        • Pokemon

          And foreign cars.

        • Alexander

          Where have you seen high-quality office equipment, electronics and imported clothing ...? That Chinese shit with which shops and markets are inundated ...? At the expense of foreign cars I will not argue, but only to the point of them, the bulk of them cannot buy them ... Therefore, they get into credit bondage, which is even worse ... And trips abroad were desirable until we had them ... Now, having been there, you think - Fuck they need these trips ... There is no sense in them in the end ... Turkey ..? There is generally nothing to do ... Hang around in these services of theirs and go to the canteen and the beach in formation ...? Don't tell me ... It was more interesting in the pioneer camp ...
          Although it's your business, instead of high-quality products, there is now shit from the periodic table, instead of normal clothes - crap ... Household appliances are generally a solid scam at exorbitant prices ... But now you have trips abroad to feed their speculators and to get into some some kind of cataclysm such as strikes or natural disasters, during which all the last money will be pulled out of you and then they will not be released yet, because you still have to, and if released, you will pay for more than one year ... Of course, if the money is stolen, and the car is on the siding, then no problems should arise ... you can somehow get out ... Although you have lost the floor of the car ... You are all already tired of your stupid reasoning ... So in the nineties for jeans and snickers everyone sold their homeland ... Now eat, do not crap ...

          • Denis

            computers are accessible to everyone, work reliably
            TVs are on and off. there are even very cheap
            Phones are ringing and are almost not buggy. even the elderly have learned to use them (all sorts of vaciers)
            shoes made of genuine leather are cheap, new materials have appeared for clothing. and there is no need to choose from one or two names of trousers in the store. and chase imports into the store when they are "thrown out"
            But what is Turkey - a lot of people have gone abroad for permanent residence and no one keeps them. chose what they like
            and sorry for the homeland, of course. if it had not been destroyed, there would be everything that is now. and not China would produce everything, but the USSR

          • Anonymous

            Films are mediocre, mostly uninteresting. Actors do not know how to play, one nerves and crazy ... I just want to shout: "I do not believe!". Even in the nineties there were norms. movies and artists. Cartoons are moronic for morons. And the music ...

          • Max

            Remembering that, forgive me,%; Nyu, which was done in your shitty sysere, I understand that it is a sin to swear at the modern Chinese! Yes, of course it is so-so, but compared to the products of the dark geniuses of Savets, it's just space technologies !!!

            • Max

              To clarify - I am not comparing a modern smartphone and a rotary phone from the times of the scoop, it is pointless. I will compare a banal outlet or switch, which have not changed much conceptually, but constructively - this is the abyss between civilization and the scoop! Finally, now you can use them without pain and mate

              • Vitaly N

                Another offended. I'm just wondering how they tortured you with them ...

            • Sergei

              By the way, max, about the Soviet gloomy geniuses of space technology, it was they who launched them, and the rest smoked bamboo. Then people came with thinking like yours and we smoke bamboo and use Chinese. Here the truth is reassuring that they are using it in the USA, but that’s what it is. Honestly, I did not think that such primitive-minded people still survived. So much it became obvious, even to those who were dim-witted. But look, you found it, unique.

              • Max

                No, you are now writing to me from a computer created by nifig NOT sovets gloomy geniuses, via the Internet, created also NOT by them, in a browser invented NOT by them, according to protocols ... and so on. With Savets' geniuses, you would write through some MK-DOS thread through a black and white command line on the TV. Practically everything that was invented in IT that you use now - computers, Windows, iPhone, MacBook, smartphone, android, Ethernet, Internet, IP, mother, telephony, Skype-shmaypes - this is NOT a scoop. The fact that the scoop was the first to send a man into space is a plus. But that's all. Then the luck ended, and now the ceiling is to send goods / people to the near-earth, and even then the shop will soon be closed, because all the polymers are pitted. All the new AMS, Pluto, Cassini and orbiting telescopes are magic beyond the reach of post-soviet gloomy geniuses.

                With space technology.

              • Max

                Everything is with space technology. To the sockets!

                We take the most Dishman Madeinchina outlet bought from a dumb drunk on the market. Shit? Undoubtedly! But even in this shit, a normal wire attachment point is provided - the most important thing is that there can generally be in this piece of stinking plastic and three and a half pieces of iron. Usually this is a guide "shaft" with two plates, which are compressed with a screw! This is brilliant! Magic beyond the reach of the gloomy geniuses of the USSR. I inserted a wire into the slot, clamped it and forgot!

                Now let's take a warm Soviet lamp socket. And what do we see there? A screw with a round washer, from under which the wire will certainly come out when you try to clamp it, even if you wind it in the direction of rotation. So that this garbage does not fall apart, you need to either press a special "plug" on the wire or take a pole and solder-solder-tin-twist-solder-wind on the screw. And all the same, this garbage will crack later. And all the same, no matter how you squeeze it, then the screw will loosen, because the solder will sink. Gloomy geniuses could not even come up with a normal outlet! Although everything is simple, how ... I don't even know how.

                And so in everything from power outlets to nuclear power plants. Recall what turned out to be the same attitude of gloomy geniuses to the invention of reactors?

    • Alexander

      Since I bought the D7000 in 2010, to this day I have not seen an increase in quality in the cameras released during this time ... And what kind of picture improvement can we talk about if it was already excellent in 2010 ... A few years later I bought the D7100 ... What did you get…? Slightly higher detail and a little better at high ISO ... That's it ... Oh, yes ... now in the D7100, the picture can be enlarged up to one hundred percent with the OK button when viewing ... I did not sleep at night, waited for such a camera to come out, with this function right -so I bought the D7100 ... In fact, this is just a convenient function and nothing more ... By the way, I found that the Sigma 17-50 gives a better picture on the D7000, but the Tamron 17-50 gives a better picture on the D7100 ... And again I I'm not talking about color rendition, but just about detail, in fact, about sharpness and clarity ... I was surprised by this fact, since Tamron was released earlier ...
      The only thing that can and should be talked about is improving the picture at high ISO ... But in amateur cameras this will not happen, because this is not done on purpose and will not be done - this is the kakhobor principle of capitalism ... It is not clear what can be generally discussed in the newly appearing cameras - the appearance and dimensions of the case ...? There is no point in talking about any quality, it is usual, that is, good ... Most people only need a basic set of functions and nothing more ... I, for example, do not use serial shooting at all ... Serial shooting is a stupid wear of the shutter and mirror lifting mechanism and no It doesn't bring pleasure from taking photos ... In order to be a Nutcracker, you don't even need to know the basics of photography ... It's just a mockery of the camera, which now costs a lot and not everyone can afford a normal DSLR, well, or a mirrorless - nothing I don’t have anything against them, I just don’t need to oppose them to DSLRs - these are different categories and to pursue a policy of replacing one with another - this is an ordinary marketolochotron ... I have two DSLRs and I don’t want a mirrorless, although if it cost humanly, well, like 2014 , to the mess the oligarchs set up for us, then I might have bought it ... So, for general information ... And maybe I would even take it with me for vacation ...

      • Roman

        Why D7000? Why not film Zenith and Orthodox Helios? Does this schizophrenia bother you? Why did you sell the blessed USSR for fun to the Japanese capitalist imperialists? Why go online? With BESM or at least with Elbrus?

        "I, for example, do not use burst shooting at all ..." - read "I have no subjects on which continuous shooting can be useful."

        • Alexander

          In terms of…? what does Zenith have to do with it ...? What plots can the Nutcracker have ...? “” ”Why did you sell the blessed USSR for the amusement of the Japanese imperialist capitalists? How do you go online? With BESM or at least from Elbrus? ”” ”- what kind of nonsense?, Decipher, please ...

      • Denis

        however, the D7100 is better than the D7000. Autofocus work is fixed, and jambs with flowers are fixed.
        and most importantly - you can screw on the AF-P lens and shoot a normal video!

        • Alexander

          On account of AF-P - I agree ... On account of autofocus and colors - no ... Except for improved detail for large sizes (due to 24MP) and an order of magnitude reduction in noise at high ISO - I do not see any other differences ... Colors and autofocus are normal for both cameras ... Moreover, the color can be adjusted as you like, both in the RAW converter and in the profiles of the camera itself for JPEG ... Therefore, it is not clear what is meant when referring to color ... Profiles are configured as you like ... The matrix generally gives out a gray image and is colored by the processor ... Yes, with the “OK” button in the D7100, you can now enlarge the photo when viewing it up to 100 percent ... It's really convenient ... For a hike, this is the most noticeable change in comparison with the D7000 ... And, of course, more MP and ISO ... By the way, I found it on the D7100 a jamb that came from the factory ... After three years of use I tried wireless control of an external flash - it turns out it doesn't work ... I checked the rest - it doesn't work Multiple flash ... Well, it happens rarely, but the sun is overexposed triple flash ... With what pattern - I can not determine, in different ways ... I corresponded with the Nikon service - they turned on the durku, the guarantee ended and that's it ... And they don't care that this is a production marriage ... The law says about it ... I would live in Moscow, I could to argue, but to argue so far ... Well, he is understandable ... If only to sell to capitalists, and there the grass does not grow ... This is an evil principle of capitalism, especially in relation to our countries ...

      • Sergei

        You are very wrong in many ways and judge very self-centeredly, everyone is trying to blame someone for their problems. I, on the contrary, believe that modern society is not worthy of that holiday of technological progress and its accessibility. More precisely, I believe that the future has arrived, but few can adequately assess it.
        So you say that you do not need rate of fire, you do not need video, this does not mean that no one needs. I just need a video, and let the rate be, you never mind. Yes, the production of technology is making money, but what should it be in your opinion? Charity? As you already wrote here, normal photographers do not wither over their camera and do not buy a new one as soon as it comes out. Exactly like iPhones, not everyone buys and not from lack of opportunity, although there are those who take iPhones on credit, but this is a clinic already. Well, no one forces you to buy anything, you decide.

        I had Nikon D7000 and D90 cameras, good cameras, I will not say anything against, both are very balanced. I eventually switched to the Olympus OM-D E-M5 mark2 for the sake of compactness and, in general, I do not regret it. I would call these cameras about the same level with their pluses and minuses each, but I don’t feel like going back to D7k for many reasons. Subsequently, if there is money I will buy a full frame of the Nikon Z6 type, because some of my tasks need high iso with good quality. So maybe Nikon DF would have taken some, but there are other unpleasant moments with it. I am confused on the modern market of BZK only by not very strong elaboration of cameras by all manufacturers, apparently due to the rush in development, the desire to have time to roll out the product in step with competitors. That's why Nikon released a crop for a new bayonet mount? Who needs this? There is some sense in the Z50 camera, but small, it would be better instead to make a more affordable FF without special whistle-blowers. You can discuss for a long time about the battle of ZK vs BZK, but I think the BZK will eventually supplant the ZK, it remains to be glad that the DSLRs will become more accessible for connoisseurs, including on the secondary.

        Was everything for life in the USSR? well, let a person generally need a little for life. There, too, there were a whole bunch of problems and human fears, and there was no free Internet so that someone could tell everyone about it.
        And the technique, well, now everything is produced in China, so what? Do you think people who produce all this for a penny live well? And then take the prices in Soviet rubles, for example, for high-end audio amplifiers and shift them to the average salary then and today, are you ready to pay so much for equipment today? I think not. Meanwhile, this technique has all consumer characteristics and has been working for years, if not decades. And high-quality equipment is as expensive as it is, and “low-quality” equipment is much more affordable and does not lag too far behind quality equipment. It's just that then there was almost nothing and people had different requests, but now everything is full and you want everything, but not just some kind of it, but the best and cheaper. And most of the technologies that are widely used today were borrowed from the West, to put it mildly. We also had our own technologies, but we know little about them. Until now, among the masses, there is no respect for intellectual property, for example, well, there is nothing to count on high-quality products of intellectual labor. Everyone loves Microsoft, but few people buy consciously, but there is no domestic answer, and what is there is a laughing matter.

        With vinyl, everything is not so obvious at first glance. On the one hand, it doesn’t smell of technical sound quality, there are too many non-linearities and mechanics, and if all this is removed, then no budgets will be enough, it’s a tangential tonearm and other exotic. Well, it's not too reusable. A blind test would help you find the truth in this matter, but hardly anyone can meticulously and competently produce it. Why personally vinyl is valuable to me, because it is a process that creates value for itself, the process of choosing a plate, installing it, turning it on and turning it over / over after a fairly short time. And this process makes you listen, gives listening value, and complements it with tactile sensations. Plus there is crackling dust in the vinyl, noise in the film, this is generally quite nice to the human ear. Those. it is not sound quality but the quality of the listening process.

        • Roman

          I do not know where this maneuver comes from for most of the Sovkodrocherov. What kind of standard of living can we talk about in general, when most of the budget either went into the air, or was distributed to fraternal countries as assistance, or went to the army in order to defeat everyone and drive everyone into their stall. Everything mass that more or less improved life is stolen by design, often by element base. You read the description of any microcircuit - an exact analogue of this and that, an analogue of that, an analog of that. And all this is out of the wild, everything is scarce, everything is expensive.

          My grandfather worked in the regional OBKhSS, grandmother - 30 years at a meat processing plant, before the head of the shop. That is, there was the most refined food, imported gear and everything that an ordinary Soviet person DIDN'T SEE. Stupidly, I simply did not see, did not receive, stood in the most terrible queues when I had to break down from work, because I was “thrown out”. And this is in relatively well-fed years. So even with all such relatives, I don't want to go back there. I have everything that I have achieved myself. I learned it myself, mastered the specialty myself, I earn money myself. And I am satisfied with the current opportunities, I have them. I know that a lot depends on me, and not on the uncle on top, and I prefer it to stay that way. I buy what I want. I want to drive up - it will be an L-technique. If I don't want to, it won't. Shirik, makrik, DSLR, mirrorless - I have a CHOICE. I have an OPPORTUNITY, I do not need to look for those to blame for my own stupidity, limitation or laziness, trying to pull my wretched dichotomous-schizophrenic perception of the world onto reality.

          • Denis

            Yes, in general, and in the United States they lived poorly, thanks to progress, now people even in India can afford a cell phone

          • Anonymous

            There used to be an ideology. The man was integrated into society, they were engaged in it. Now everyone is for himself; ideology is to earn more money to buy a cool car, all sorts of trash in the house and change the apple tree every year.
            People get tired of this impetuous pursuit of junk imposed by marketers, and they unknowingly want to go to where Pioneer Dawn, Call Sign Lighthouse and measured life; into the romance of construction teams. Man didn’t just hammer money, but worked for the future of a great power.

            • Roman

              And How? Earned? Cho there with the future? At least one of the commies managed to build something other than North Korea?

              • Vitaly N

                Is China so familiar that it is no longer noticeable?

  • Adon

    OLCs are better at shooting videos than DSLRs.
    This is a very important feature now.

    • Vitaly N

      For whom is it important? Svaddeshikov and bloggers? I myself already forgot when I shot the video, and if I’m shooting, it usually lies unclaimed. I even like to read reviews, not watch. In reality, a video is shot to be watched later by units. The rest have a fashionable chip and files covered in dust.

      • Alexander

        Yes, the whole process, starting from the manufacture of all these cameras, to shooting a video, is nothing more than a form of earnings ... And the end result, that is, the video itself lies in the cupboard and no one watches it ... A lot of my friends during the survey, even after 10 - 20 years after the wedding they said that they watched this movie once - right after they brought it ... That is, in fact, this whole chain is needed to make money by the manufacturer -> all kinds of resellers and then by the photographer himself when shooting ... ends ... Since the final product, in fact, the video, no one then watches ... The question is - why then did people pay money and hire a video camera ...? Answer - Fuck knows, Schaub bulo ...! And Schaub he lived well ...? What for…? Photos and even then, only a few, sometimes people look ... Then one more question - why pay money to a photographer at a wedding, if you can ask an amateur friend to capture the main moments of the wedding for free - and this will be the most correct ... For example, my acquaintances have asked me more than once shoot at weddings and were always happy, because I shoot only the main moments, and I shoot in such a way that you can watch and enjoy, and I do not click, like the Nutcracker, nothing superfluous ... I have, for example, 50 photos only one - two for deletion ... The rest - completely suitable for storage and viewing ... And all these friends were happy ... There were even several cases when I hired a pro and I shot at the same time ... And in all cases, friends noted that they liked my photos more, and wonder why they paid so much money to this photographer ... Because the photographer is shooting some kind of artistic bullshit, and not what was in reality ... Photos, even after twenty years, shouldto convey exactly the atmosphere that prevailed at the wedding, and not what a photographer came up with with his little mind, who considers himself a genius of wedding photography ... How many photos I look at like cool wedding photographers and I find nothing in them except a shitty setting, which I don't want to watch ...

    • Alexander

      This is not a necessary function at all, which is made to increase the price ... No one shoots these videos ... Photos - yes, you need ... And then, from a heap of photos taken, for example, 300 pieces, on vacation in Crimea, we usually watch a dozen or two ... The rest is simple lying around on media ... One consolation that before, after the vacation, they carried the films to the laboratory and printed, as they said then "the best" ... But, in fact, everything was printed there to rip off more money ... And now the camera was bought and beauty - the rest the whole process is free ... For technodrochers, who also have free money, of course it is interesting to constantly buy new cameras and research them ... But what is there to explore ...? External changes and everything according to adrne ... If I had free money, and I would do this ... But I have earned money ... Therefore, I really look at all this capital - progress ...

      • Roman

        Lord, yes, plug someone already.

        • Alexander

          Does it really hurt your eyes ...? So the person concerned ...

          • B. R. P.

            Interested parties sit in governments and all kinds of international corporations, and not on photo sites. You are not at the address.

            • Alexander

              Interested in the local significance of this ...

          • coroner

            Alexander, with your permission, I, perhaps, summarize all of the above.
            - Soviet cameras were the best, so you buy Nikon
            - the film is much better than a soulless number (this is how the unforgettable Cartier-Bresson bequeathed), so you switched to digital
            - you are an opponent of rushing to marketing gimmicks, so you bought two almost identical cameras
            - modern cameras are good enough not to change, so you change them
            - life in the USSR was the best, everything was enough and everything was enough for everyone, so it was exchanged for something that was not there
            - vinyl is better than mp3 by default, even if the master file was originally created in the editor with 16 bit and 44,1 kHz
            - you find it unpleasant to look at the work of modern photographers, so you look at them more and more to make sure that it is unpleasant to look at them
            - you are against thoughtlessly spending money, but if there was a surplus, you would gladly acquire what you do not need

            Am I missing anything? it is important.

            • Roman

              The topic of hucksters is not disclosed.

            • Alexander

              I am shocked by your ability to build a consistent logical chain in any situation ... You are just great ...
              I answer you to your logic:
              - Soviet cameras were just good, but who managed to buy Nikon? he was
              happy ... No need to put the brand Nikon and the current
              shirpotrebovsky, Chinese ...
              - Film is a classic, digital is simple, convenient and fast ... Talk about quality
              it makes no sense, it has long been normal ... But when matrices appear, the array of which
              consists not of points, but of a continuous field (like a film) - this will be a real
              breakthrough and invention ... In the meantime, digital is just an ordinary evolution in
              photographs ... And I just meant that Henri used one camera very
              for many years, and this only speaks about the quality and propriety of the cameras produced in those years,
              which can not be said about the current "toys" ...
              - I am an opponent of a scam and my two cameras (not quite identical) have nothing to do with it ...
              Besides Nikon, there is nothing else to buy from DSLRs ... Canon has no normal DSLRs ...
              - in the USSR there were high-quality products, free medicine and complete social
              security is the most important thing for people ... Now everyone has jeans,
              chewing gum and McDonald's, that is, what you said was lacking then ... But no
              all that I listed at the beginning ... But for some reason now I no longer see
              the joy of this chewing gum not among people, not on TV, or on the Internet ...
              - Vinyl will always sound better and more transparent, and your bitrates will not be about anything to anyone
              they say ... The most important thing is the perception with your ears ...
              - I was not talking about the works of modern, talented photographers, of whom there are many
              there is something to see, and about the wedding Nutcrackers, which are not photographers,
              they have one goal - to mow the attendants ... And among the many portfolios of such
              Nutcrackers, I, and not only me - have not seen a single normal photo ... And
              this is noted by many people who used their services ... In addition to losing money,
              they got nothing else ...
              - And the last thing - I never acquire what I do not need - there is no sense in this ...
              - And the last thing - your entire answer was written by you in an ironic style, and I'm talking about
              basic things in the understanding of normal people who don’t need a scam,
              vparivanie, speculation, shit instead of products in the store and sheer deception in everything, in
              as much as possible ... It's a pity that the majority do not understand this ...
              reason and what happened ... Of course, speculators and thieves are now good
              lives, but sooner or later all this will stop ...
              - And you sneer further, you can see how very few people live in this madhouse
              okay ... then your humor is clear ...

              • Bujhm

                And the water was wetter. I remember a popular Egyptian priests: the youth were better than the present. Particularly pleased with: "solid field matrix". It was a digital film, oddly enough, just the pixels-silver grains were disorganized and different in size. If you don't care what to shoot, film or digital, then the flag is in your hands - you are a happy person. As for the thieves and speculators-reptiles, the number has not changed - they have stopped hiding. It is better to be ironic over oneself, over others, it can come back to haunt. Not even so, it will certainly backfire.
                I wish you success and peace of mind. And to all of us.

            • Roman

              “There is no need to put the brand Nikon and the current
              shirpotrebovskiy, Chinese ... ”- why don't you use that branded nikon, but use modern, shirpotrebovskiy Chinese?

              “But when matrices appear, the array of which does not consist of points, but of a continuous field (like a film), this will be a real breakthrough and an invention…” - wonderful. It's just wonderful. The film is coated with crystals of silver compounds. And the size of these crystals is monstrous and grows as the sensitivity of the film increases, because only in this way the crystal changes its color and becomes darker, catching more photons. Film field uniformity is as much a myth as "vinyl sound quality"

              “And I just meant that Henri used one camera very
              for many years and this only speaks of the quality and brand of the cameras produced in those years, which cannot be said about the current “toys” ... ”- and the unpretentiousness of the public of those years. Henri was one of the first. Anyone who will now shoot, like Anri, will receive his own ten likes and no more. You can't live by imitation.

              “Besides Nikon, there is nothing else to buy from DSLRs ... Canon has no normal DSLRs ...” - I say this based on ... nothing (s). Basically, most of your statements are just as pointlessly categorical.

              “In the USSR there were high-quality products, free medicine and complete social security” - rivers of milk flowed in the banks of the jelly. They treated cancer, transplanted organs, even teeth - oh, foot drills, and no anesthesia. And the products ... Well, if your products are worse than in the USSR, these are your problems, not the advantage of the USSR. If your current barrack is worse than the Soviet one, do not try to pull others into the Soviet one, they will not appreciate it. Exit the barracks.

              In Lviv in 1939 there were 5-digit telephone numbers, newspaper advertisements and special pipes for laying coaxial cable from the TV antennas in a newly built house. And then came the blessed USSR.

              • Alexander

                It is useless to hold a discussion with people like you ... Probably, your products, which are also made of shit, are better, because their inscription “we are made of shit, which is better” ... Such as you, probably, and…. Then think for yourself ...

              • Alexander

                Yes, in the days of the USSR, at least you lived normally ... And then everyone climbed the mountains "Vuiki z Polonyna" ...

              • Roman

                This is not a discussion. This is the peremptory opinion of an old scoop who has never been outside of his hut.

              • Bujhm

                Television in pre-war Poland? If possible, links. And then it seems to me that you just made up everything, like your current Ukraine. That's why you suffer.

              • Neustrdm

                On the question of Polish television before 1939.
                The project to deploy TV coverage began in 1935.
                In 1937, the first repeater was built.
                The first experimental broadcast was in 1938.
                The infrastructure was being prepared, as regular broadcasting
                it was planned to start already in 1940. But war prevented.

      • Vitaly N

        Bend over. This function does not increase the price, the matrix is ​​the same, the processor is the same. On most DSLRs, Nikon doesn't even bother with the video aperture mechanism - and so it goes. Convenient additional function, like a spare wheel in a car: better with it than without it. You really get carried away

        • Alexander

          It doesn't enter ... First of all, I'm talking about myself ... For me, it's a useless function ... If I need to shoot a video, I'll shoot it either on my phone - tablet, or on a camcorder ... But to shoot a video on a camera is just inconvenient and it's just show-off ...

  • Smirnov Vitaliy

    > Sony SLT will fully transition to the mirrorless paradigm
    I read this phrase, did not understand, and ran to look at the date of the article.
    No, November 2019th.
    Why is “waiting”? Sonya has already moved on for years.

    • Arkady Shapoval

      Because some cameras continue to be produced and even more so are sold to this day, for example, the α99 II. When they are all discontinued and there will be no continuation, then it can really be considered that Sony SLT switched to Sony ILCE.

  • Dasek

    Yes, you old man grumble: "In the USSR it was better, in the USSR it was better", just like the driveway grumbles on the bench))) Better now, but then it was as it was, and the DSLR / mirrorless camera is somehow it will be determined by itself, the youth vaasche take off smart cards and do not steam;)

    • Alexander

      I hope you will not deny that high-quality products (now they are not available), free apartments, free medicine and complete social security are a huge plus of the country of the Soviets ...? Hello, just an example, if you want to charm free Soviet medicine ... Go to some private dental clinic, before that, having checked all your teeth with a dentist friend and you will be surprised that with all your teeth in good condition, you will have half of your mouth in a private clinic , and even in such a neglected state ... This is one and very small example ... All private medicine in Russia is such a huge scam that the traders never dreamed of such a scam ... And there are many such examples ... Now it is good for oligarchs, hucksters, businessmen of all colors and stripes and officials ... And all normal people do not, not good ... The absence of state enterprises is just a scourge of the present time ... To spend money on hucksters, speculators and oligarchs is a humiliating and almost free activity ...

  • Arkady Shapoval

    Comrades!
    The theme of the USSR and other things is considered politics and its further discussion will be wiped out.

    • Vitaly N

      Somehow you selectively delete ...

  • Dmitriy

    Mirrorless cameras have one big jamb - this is a constantly working matrix, which, when heated, begins to make noise and eat a lot of the battery. Therefore, the DSLR will ALWAYS be!

  • Aleksndr

    Quote “The capitalists have no other goal ... The sales of bezekralok will start to fall, they will come up with some other system and name it differently, just what people would buy ...“ ...
    My God, the namesake, did not think that at the photo forum I would have to explain the basics of Soveideology. :)
    The very idea of ​​"proletariat-hegemon" is wrong, without knowledge of technology. the worker is nothing in itself! (for example, the whole history of the Soviets, or the bourgeoisie built it, or stole from them, or did something similar in appearance).
    "Capitalists" is a soviet cliché, in reality-0 is an entrepreneur with knowledge (brains are valued, and hands are the tenth thing, today robots are preferred).
    This is how I say this as the holder of a diploma from the University of Marxism-Leninism (from the 80s of the last century). And “variability” is the basis of evolution!
    But, dear pros, my question is different. Maybe someone had to deal with the Olipus E-400?
    I understand that this is a DSLR without any idea, today it’s an archaic, but judging by the bourgeois forums, the latter is with a matrix

  • Aleksndr

    I'm sorry, some kind of glitch.
    Olympus E-400, the last with a matrix from Kodak, conveys colors not like everyone else.
    Is it (color rendition, etc.) really so or “calendars are lying”?
    Threat. Ancient reviews, the thing is, an assessment from the position of those times, but from today?

  • Alexander

    I rent Nikon d90 and d600 from the beginning of their sales. It’s enough. I won’t change yet. Change the camera is not working while working. Why feed marketers.

  • Alexander Rifeev

    I see - they are trying to turn a good site into a political garbage dump? Arkady, drive all these trolls off the site ...

    • Arkady Shapoval

      I try to

  • Le} {@

    Add the Nikon 1 system to this list. Killed seems to be in 2018

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