Nikon D700. Lost balance

A note on the Nikon line, primarily about Nikon D700 and its non-existent descendants.

Nikon D700

Nikon D700

Nikon D700 was one of a kind. The camera had a very good balance in its capabilities, but this was due to the fact that Nikon D700 was a mixture of TOP Nikon D3 и D300. Primarily in D700 used the same sensor and other main nodes (focus module, metering, etc.) as in Nikon D3. To summarize, then Nikon D700 could give almost everything the same as TOP Nikon D3.

Nikon line

Nikon ruler on the timeline. The image is clickable. Blue arrows indicate direct inheritance in generations of cameras. Green indicates the inheritance of part of the functions.

But Nikon D800 / D800E is not a direct continuation Nikon D700. Cameras Nikon D800/D800E/D810/D810a/D850 carry some of the functionality received from Nikon D3x, which led to significant loss of that balancewhich was at one time D700.

With the release of the Nikon D800 / D800E, not only the 'D700' line is closed but also the 'D3x' line. Nikon D700 and Nikon D3x cameras have no direct functional descendants. Subsequent cameras inherited only part of the capabilities from each of them, which led to the loss of the treasured balance.

First of all, the eight-hundredth series stopped using sensors from TOP cameras Nikon D3s, D4, D4s, D5, D6 and instead uses 'its own' high pixel density sensors, resulting in very different frame rates and ISO thresholds.

The dilemma is not that in our time there is no replacement for the D700, but that the proposed replacements do not have the same balance that the Nikon D700 once had.

On Nikon D750 - This camera belongs to the amateur series and is actually a continuation / addition to the Nikon D600 / D610 and has no direct relation to the Nikon D700. It is enough to write 'D750' instead of the name 'D620', as everything falls into place. By the way, according to rumors, the D600 / D610 line will also not receive its continuation. D780 - continuation D750.

As a result, users of the Nikon system did not wait for a full-fledged replacement for the D700 and never will. It is simply not profitable for Nikon to sell the conditional 'D700s' with the capabilities of the Nikon D5 in a body from D500.

I am often asked which of these Nikon full-frame cameras to buy. Nikon D700 I recommend buying last, following the following sequence (in descending order): D850 -> D810 -> D780 -> D750 -> D800E -> D800 -> D610 -> D600 -> D700. Of course, in each case the priority can change, including the addition of 'ones' to the sequence D3, D3s, D3x, D4, D4s, D5, D6, Df and mirrorless Z7, Z6, Z5, Z6 II, Z7 II.

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Comments: 173, on the topic: Nikon D700. Lost balance

  • Andrei

    Still my favorite device 😊

  • Igor

    I do not agree with the positioning of the D800 below the D750

    • Arkady Shapoval

      You may not agree, you have your own vision in the recommendations. I described the general case from which I come out in the recommendations. If you light your thoughts on this, it will be wonderful.

  • Sergei

    D700 is the best option in terms of price-quality ratio. Even now I shoot weddings for him. The only drawback is 12 megapixels. Not enough in 2019. I wonder why you recommend the D700 in the last place? Is the d610 or d750 much better for professional use?

    • Arkady Shapoval

      Use is not only professional. The D700 is already very old nowadays, the D610 is significantly newer, it runs perfectly, 24 megapixels just right.

      • Amateur

        But what about the “battle of megapixels”?

        • Arkady Shapoval

          And what about the “battle of megapixels”?

          • Amateur

            What did you say in previous articles that megapixels are not that important….

            • Arkady Shapoval

              Yes, megapixels are not as important as many people think. Or is there some other conclusion in that article?

            • R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№

              megapixels are overrated, their value is inflated by marketing,
              but this does not mean that they are not important in principle.

              • Frame

                The more MegaPixels the more light is needed and the shutter speed and minimum iso are shorter, i.e. absolutely perfect conditions. Everything else is from the evil one :)

    • Alexander

      I shoot for 700 and 750, 750 as for me a more convenient device (weight and 2 memory cards), more tenacious and better AF in general, since I shoot on fixes, I always shoot on the 2nd cameras but with different optics, because the lower weight of the 750s is also +.

      • Michael

        but how do you mix colors from two cameras? On mayveda they write that the color with d750 is worse than with d700.

        • BB

          Are you a theorist? Once I set up the camera profile in lightroom and forgot.
          Recently I processed shooting from three cameras: D750, D7100 and quite a bit with D5100. There is no color difference under artificial light. Setting the color profile in Lightroom and WB is much more important (of course, on a normal monitor - on TN, nothing really matters). Photos are sorted by time / date from Exif, it is possible to understand which camera was taken only by the size of the picture

          • Michael

            Three DSLRs with the fastest color. No wonder the difference is not visible.

            • anonym

              It is true that neither the d700 nor the other two shine with color. This was not required from the d700, it is a report.

            • Onotole

              Nonsense full, D5100 one of the best cameras in color

              • anonym

                On the d5100, one of the most popular exmore matrices produced by Sony at 16mp is installed. It is very good in color among Sony matrices, better than d700 but two times worse in color accuracy than the kenon matrices of that time. The biggest disadvantages are very noticeable grain, noise and a tendency to posterize. Subsequently, Sony reduced the density of color filters and the new matrices began to make less noise due to color loss. Kenon went the same way.

              • Artem

                the d5100 matrix, like the d7000 matrix, is simply the worst in color of all cameras ever released. After the d7000, I just bought the d700, and it shot an order of magnitude better, and in color it is generally one of the best cameras in the FF.

              • anonym

                Artyom, let's stick to the facts anyway?
                According to the results of imatest, the matrices of nikon d5100 / d7000 and nikon d700 have approximately the same color error but exmore provides more accurate saturation. At the same time, Sony Exmore has much better dd than d700.
                This is not an opinion, these are the results of objective measurements in the srgb space.
                Due to its good characteristics and luxurious dd, the Exmor matrix was super popular and was placed in almost 20 models of different brands, Sony, Pentax, Nikon, Fuji, Rico, etc.

              • Andrei

                Exmore has not much better DD, but only with ISO up to 200 it is better, and further - the higher the ISO, the more it remains from the D700. A full-frame sensor always wins, whatever one may say.

    • cybernetics

      > Is the d610 or d750 much better for professional use?
      There, the sensors are much more modern, primarily in terms of sensitivity to color, a sharp increase in DD and ISO.

  • Vladko

    It is very annoying that just such a legendary camera, beloved by many, like the d700, does not have a worthy continuation. That’s why I don’t change it, I told myself that if I really die, then I’ll change it. And most likely on d4, if a good option turns up. I just don't want another replacement.

    • Sergei

      I also do not see the best replacement for the D700 as the D4

  • Alexander

    More than once I heard that the 700 did not receive a continuation, since it reduced the sales of D3, and therefore for the second time Nikon did not make “such mistakes”.

  • Alexey

    Management. It is not profitable to produce a balanced camera that will be used for a long time)

  • Lynx

    but we got “finally !! 1111” replacement for d300. ))

  • Amateur

    D3 and D3s also have no price / quality replacement! The JPEGs are just great in color! ISO - very good! Yes, 12 megapixels, someone will say, but the Customer will not see this !!

    • Arkady Shapoval

      D4, d4s inherited all the advantages of d3, d3s. I like the color with d4 better than with triples, and the auto bb in d4 is more stable, like a bunch of everything else. What is it worth auto flipping the focus point from the transition from landscape to portrait orientation

  • Alexey_S

    I found rough statistics on sales (based on the base of serial numbers), and it seemed interesting to me:
    https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4385848?page=2

    The D700 is Nikon's best-selling FF digital camera, which brought the most revenue to the FF field.

    Statistics in pieces:
    D700____________536297
    D800____________346903
    D800E___________76540
    D810____________257217
    D810A_____________2306
    D850 _____________ 73967+
    Df________________57812

    D600____________234630
    D610____________614192
    D750 ____________ 457373+

    statistics on units
    D3_______________95390
    D3S______________65228
    D3X______________23158
    D4_______________74130
    D4S______________27884
    D5 _______________ 23430+

    Those. a unit for all the time was sold (in pieces) almost half as much as only seven hundred (309K vs 536K). Obviously, sales of the top segment suffered.

    A rough estimate of revenue (the number in pieces multiplied by the price at the time of release):

    D90 - $ 3,347,611,995
    D5100 - $ 2,295,855,389
    D40X - $ 1,893,063,286
    D7000 - $ 1,848,936,000
    D700 - $ 1,447,465,603
    D3200 - $ 1,411,259,331
    D610 - $ 1,227,769,808
    D5200 - $ 1,129,311,339
    D5300 - $ 1,109,558,400
    D80 - $ 1,055,945,000

    The camera is beautiful (for its time, just shine). In my opinion, the d850 came closest to its direct replacement. And it is fast and fast and the control is excellent and the picture quality is gorgeous. Only not many people need these megapixels (and they affect the price to pretty much compare at least z6 vs z7). If Nikon released a camera like the d850 with only 24mp, faster (so you don’t have to buy a bat.) And $ 1000 cheaper, it would be a clear replacement for the D700. But then she would have eaten sales of d850, d5, d750, Z6, z7 (i.e. almost all FF of modern cameras).

    • Arkady Shapoval

      And not 610ya according to the same data? And if you also take into account that 600/610 is, in fact, the same camera, then even more so.

      • Alexey_S

        Right Overlooked. In pieces, 610 was ahead of seven hundred. If you combine the 610th with the 600th, then ahead of sales. But if you take it separately, then the D700 is still the leader in sales.

    • Onotole

      We as consumers (until someone has become a shareholder, of course) should be deeply sideways on how much this or that company has earned on this or that product. And you need to analyze not the number of cameras sold, let alone gross dollars earned by someone.
      If we are talking about statistics, then you need to look first of all how many good and excellent pictures were taken with this or that camera. And then - "balance-balance-balance" ... but who and where said, and proved that with a balanced camera pictures will be better than with an unbalanced one? At first glance, an absurd statement, but this is only at first glance: after all, a balanced solution is a universal solution, and universality will always be worse than a specialized tool in each individual case. This is an obvious pattern.
      So it turns out that the D700, as the most balanced, as Arkady correctly pointed out in the topic, is essentially the worst of the cameras, and it does not matter how it was sold there.

      • Arkady Shapoval

        Worst, as there are either newer cameras, or a class higher. The trouble is that there is no update.

      • Onotole

        No, I don't mean because she's old. But because if there was a modern analogue (let's call it conditionally D710 in the case of borrowing the matrix and focusing from D4 and D720 - from D5; of course, much more expensive than D750 but slightly cheaper than D850, but now it is not appreciated), then it would be better only for those who shoot essentially everything and portraits and landscapes and reportage and macro / subject and interiors and even a bald trait, i.e. weddings. Well, also, amateurs who get a camera from the shelf 2-3 times a year (they also shoot everything that comes to hand), but such a heavy and expensive camera did not give up to fans of nafig, their requests are more than covered by the D750 and even the D610 - they do not Neither a booster, nor 2 cards, nor 10 fps are needed. So it turns out that the moaning about the D700 is the moaning of the poor CIS weddings, who, because of the dollar rate, do not have enough not only for D4 / D5 but even for D750 right now. Amateurs-enthusiasts could still have the moral right to grumble, before the release of the D850, but now everything has been fixed, the price is not decisive here, this is not a business, but a hobby, and you can spend at least 10 times more on a hobby, you do not mind your loved one ...
        But once again, back to the first post - prove to me that it is the photos that could be better with the “D720” or “D710” than with the D600 or D750, and not because “the top bomb camera at half price”, which means it is growing business profitability.

  • anonym

    Arkady, do not be offended, but your line of recommendations is similar to lemon-sausage-cake-pepsikol.
    Everything relates to food and calories, but still different.
    Depending on the specific goals, the line just falls apart.
    For reporting, the d500 is suitable, one, and with a stretch of d750 and d850.
    Not suitable d800, d800e, d810 and d600 / d610.
    Only d850 is suitable for portraiture.
    For landscape, the d8xx series is better.
    Etc.

    Nikon divided the cameras into segments, did it well. The d700 report got caught up on either the d500 or the unit, well, so Nikon decided.

    Among competitors, for example, kenon, the analogue of the d700 is the 5d series of the Mark 3 and Mark 4 models.

    • anonym

      Correction, the one in kenon is one and the one in Nikon is there, d4 and d5.

      • Arkady Shapoval

        Conventionally, Nikon also has one - cameras with one number in the room

    • Arkady Shapoval

      I'm not holding a grudge. The questions are usually usually just what exactly to take, and the tasks for many are very broad, overlapping and few people understand what exactly he needs. Therefore, I methodically add that in each individual case there are recommendations. The D500, although good, does not fit here because of its DX nature.

    • NEO

      Clever course about sausage is fun and resourceful. The realities are different. Suppose a person wants to take a full frame. D4, D5 he can not afford, and they do not need such a person. From the full frame, complete chaos from the 800th line, the 600th and 750th. Each of the cameras solves one thing well, and the other solves poorly. And man is tormented by choice. I know many who shoot wonderful on d800 and on d3 shoot wonderful portrait and landscape on d700.
      D610 is generally perfect for reporting, 6 fps in JPEG with an infinite buffer.
      Cramming a list of d500 do not understand at all that this is a crop. A man does not want a crop. Man wants a full frame.
      Seven hundred had an excellent balance, but alas, it was torn to pieces.
      During the seven hundred, Kenon didn’t have anything like that at all, but there was a dull 5d mark 2, which was generally impossible to shoot because of the finished autofocus, and even more so to report.
      They compared Mark 3 with the d700 and forgot that they have a 5 year age difference, well, well.

      • Arkady Shapoval

        Canon mark iii, mark iv just have the balance that Nikon does not have

        • anonym

          Arkady, Absolutely.
          Kenon aligned the lineup and introduced the magnificent 5d Mark 3 and Mark 4 as modern analogues of the d700 with perfect balance, and 5ds 5dsr as a competitor to Nikon d8xx for the landscape. And 6d and 6dmk2 as an analog of d600 and d610. Kenon has no dull analog d750, because there is no point in it. D750 is bought only because there is no analog d709, 5dmk3, 5dmk4 from nikon. Therefore, hedgehogs cry but eat lemon)

          • Arkady Shapoval

            Yes to the point

            • Barti

              And if you look at a7mark2, what kind of league does she play in?

      • anonym

        Reporting is not always a full frame. Therefore, both Nikon and Kenon have top crop cameras sharpened for this genre.
        You do not understand the simple thing that any camera is a compromise, and any universalism is always inferior to specialization.
        Therefore, you can certainly shoot reports on d600 with its crooked af and d800 with its lubricants, movement and central point because the side ones are smeared. Well, you can eat borsch with a fork).

        Arkady correctly said that the d700 blew up the market due to a clear hit in the market segment in terms of price and objectives. It was an excellent reliable reporting, the perfect balance of opportunity and price at that time for reporting.

        A competitor, Kenon 5d Mark 2, also blew up the market but in the video and portrait segment.

        • Arkady Shapoval

          yes, 5d and 5d mark 2 are cameras that have changed a lot

  • lito

    Excellent camera. 1500000 frames departed and helped out many times. I miss her. Optimal D3s.

    • anonym

      A million and a half? I do not believe!

      • cybernetics

        700ka goes for half a million - a million, with periodic repairs of the shutter cocking unit due to its wear every 200-300 thousand.
        It affects the mechanics made not of plastic, but of metal.

  • Ivan Wolverine

    24 Mp D 600/610 with DOD equal to 10 and 12 Mp D 700 with DOD equal to 14 ... 600/610 is the first in sales, 700 is the second ... what is there to argue about ... but oddly enough Canon 500D is a "little girl" with 15 Mp and crop 1,6 for reports is not at all worse than D 600/610 with their full format, although it has only 7,8-8 DOD ...

    • anonym

      When twist the ditches from the wooden 50d and rubber d610, then we'll talk. I'm just touched by thoughts about your dod

      • Ivan Wolverine

        on a CPC with a DOD below 7, expensive and high-quality optics are required, and if DOD dropped to 5,6-6,5, then it is completely premium :-))) ... and D 700 with DOD equal to 13,5-14 can work with almost any lens ... edit the photo in the editor and every fool can, and you shoot so that the editor is not required :-)))

        • Nikita

          WHAT FOR DOD?

          • Arkady Shapoval

            Diffraction limited diaphragm

  • anonym

    Nikon D700 is the last thing I recommend buying - to what?

    • anonym

      Because the oldest brick, the cheapest and the weakest in the picture with blue balance instead of white balance. Or do you seriously think that at the end of the rational list put something else?

      • Sveryda

        Watching in whose hands this camera

        • anonym

          The same can be said of any camera.

  • Eugene o

    Arkady, isn't the D750 part of the NPS? It is, of course, positioned not professional, but for enthusiasts, I would not call it amateur. The D600 / 610 is yes, an amateur full frame (and even then - with a stretch).

  • Sveryda

    This camera has a soul

  • andrei2911

    600/610 and 750 - cameras of completely different order. In addition to a similar sensor (with a different ADC, by the way), they no longer have anything similar. Everything is different - both AF and AE modules, and a processor, two cards instead of one, different OVIs, etc., etc.

    • anonym

      It’s like with the d90 and d7000, everything has changed the same way, while these are cameras of the same level no more and no less. Same thing with 610 and 750

      • Arkady Shapoval

        Yes, a good and relevant remark. The fact that the d750 is good in itself does not change the fact that it does not in any way fit into the d700, d8x0 line. Most likely, the NPS was screwed to it in order to once again send a reference to the d700, since there was no planned receiver for the d700, it was necessary to somehow get out.

        • anonym

          D750, if you do not take into account its defects and recalls, is quite a good amateur camera, for people undemanding in color and in iron. But she is not the heiress of the d700 and not about the camera, and it is an order of magnitude worse in balance than the Canon 5D Mark 3 and especially Mark 4.

    • BB

      600/610 also has two memory cards

    • Ro

      Where is 1 card?

  • andrei2911

    In fact, at the moment, 750 and 850 are exactly the same universal full frame, which was 700. Only they are separated into different price segments ...

    • anonym

      850 Well, by no means universal, the reason for this is excess 50 MP.
      D750 rattle for lovers

      • 1Ds_mk3

        I do not like d850 - take d810 37 there is XNUMXmp :)

        • anonym

          D810 is a damp camera for landscapes.
          Both the d800 and d810 are not very successful, the work on the bugs was done in the d850.

        • anonym

          I want 18-24 like d4, d5, 1dh, Markov. I do not want 40 MP!

          • 1Ds_mk3

            D610, D750, Z6 and the new D760, which will be released soon on the sensor from Z6.
            And also D4-D4s.
            The third nickle, (conditionally) the fourth nickel and EOS R, as well as 1DX, 1DX mk2.
            Is this really not enough?

      • Alexey_S

        In fact, 46mp only adds versatility in the case of the D850 (the ability to crop, resize, more detail, if the lenses allow, etc.).
        Just not everyone needs this versatility. And most would like a lower price instead of megapixels. Those. the balance is slightly worse than in the case of seven hundred, but significantly better than 5Dmk4 (IMHO).

        • Alexander

          on balance is not better. brand 4 has the optimal number of pixels for a universal camera, fewer problems with lubrication and movement. much better live view mode, which is especially important when working with super small flu.
          The d850 is still more of a landscape, the continuation of the d800 series.
          here a lot of writers were poured, and chic dd, and live view are unimportant, and lubrication / movement is not critical.
          although the cameras partially overlap in capabilities, this is true.
          I don’t even know what I personally would take from these two.

  • Koba

    We would have released an updated D700, even the changes did not need to be made much, everything is already in it, we would just update the sensor, it is good, but new, better ones appeared, the same from D3s and further, especially D4s, they do not beat D3s in noise ( only by processing files inside the camera!), but in terms of megapixels and the convenience of working with pulling the DD, they are better. Or, along with the D850, they would have released the D700 mark 2 or 3, with sensors from D4s (B5 does not count, it has banding and is not as good in terms of high ISO as Nikon himself presents it). So no! In general, Nikon did not keep the ruler and did not develop it, as Kenon did, and even benefited from it. And users knew how - Canon 5D Mark 2 and Canon 5D Mark 3 will naturally follow, it already has users, they are used to this camera and are waiting for its improved version. And Nikon took the path of misleading users - 600, 610, 300, 300s, 700, 750 (which is not a continuation of 700), 800, 800E, 810, 850 (and not, say, D800? D800 Mark 2, D800 Mark 3 ...). With an amateur ruler, the same problem. People found out about the D5000, it became famous, and then instead of the D5000 Mark 2 they are offered D5100, D5200, D5300, D5500 (D5400 is not available since they could not sell it in China, like the D400, by the way Canon 5D has a prefix in Latin IV and not 4 precisely because of China), D5600 ... As a result of such marketing failures, the results were not late and now they are facing the threat of bankruptcy. This is not something unthinkable, remember, Pentax was once almost the first manufacturer of photographic equipment in terms of market position, in terms of innovation, even sales, but where is it now? And Panasonic actually started full-frame mirrorless cameras at how high the bar is, what remains to be seen is how it will end for other manufacturers. And Sony has already released the fourth version of its popular A7 (and did not change the main name to A7.1, A720, A750!) ... The D700 is an excellent camera, I recently gave my son how I switched to D3s, and will remain so for photographers Until the last copy stops working, it can now be borrowed in excellent condition for $ 400 and this is great for many, especially beginners or not rich photographers.

    • anonym

      Come on, just instead of the prefix 'Mark' Nikon uses the five thousandth series or the three thousandth, everything is like cannon

    • BB

      And I don't like it, instead of a number (like 750, 810), they add priestaaks (mark xx). That's what the D750 said, and it's immediately clear which camera is. And another said “I have 5D”, and then you still figure out which version. So I got stuck with the phone chnkhlom - at the end of the model, the year is added. Enrages you, you have run out of numbers / letters, so you can name the model differently (Y6 Pro - and there are already 4 versions of them!).
      In general, Nikon has quite understandable rulers, except for the 700th. 3xxx, 5xxx, 7xxx, 6xx, 8xx, tops: the larger the first digit, the higher the level, newer cameras are also understandable (5100,5200 ...), the fewer numbers in the number - the higher the class of the camera, you can understand approximately which camera , just by number, not knowing the performance characteristics. Canon is more difficult in this regard - both with numbering (7D, 5D, markX), and with the presence, for example, D60 and 60D

      • BB

        * "I don't like it when ..."

    • Joe

      "Canon 5D has a prefix in Latin IV and not 4 because of China."
      1. A number written in Roman numerals is not a prefix.
      2. Roman numerals are also used to denote camera models with names containing “Mark II” and “Mark III”. Do you think this is to please China?)
      3. The relationship between the use of Roman or Arabic numerals to write numbers and some influence of this factor on sales in China is your imagination) The Chinese do not care, Roman numerals or Arabic numerals - they in any case have their own way of writing numbers in their writing, and their own pronunciation of each digit, written in any way. So 4 in any record is read in Chinese as 4, and is considered an unlucky number in Chinese numerology. Roman numerals, Arabic or Chinese, does not matter.

  • Igor

    THIS IS A CAMERA OF THIS TIME, THEN EVERYBODY ATTACHED TO IT, BUT THE IMPROVED VERSION D3 IS REALLY REAL FOR THIS TIME. AND WHICH CONSECTS THE MARKETING THIS ALWAYS PRAISE THIS CAMERA OR A NEW LITTLE LITTLE.

    • Onotole

      The whole problem is in the characteristics of human psychology. Millions of years of brain evolution have taught him to search and find patterns. Everywhere, whether they are there or not.
      Who said that cameras should replace each other in the lineup? Who in general said that the manufacturer is obliged to adhere to any "line", "class", "segment", etc.?
      There is a product like D700 or D600. He possesses a certain set of consumer qualities and properties. And that is all. This set may suit you more or less, somehow correlate with the price, etc. D900 will be made tomorrow and it will have its own set of these qualities. And the fact that cameras should have continuity is far-fetched.
      Yes, the same D700 - what was its "predecessor"? Oh no? Well, where did you get the idea that there should be a successor?
      Does the D5100 have a continuation? No, because the D5200 is a continuation only in terms of the numbers in the model name, but in fact the controls have been completely redesigned, and this, as we know (D700-D750), is already enough to speak of “no continuity”.
      D2hs - was also left without a successor - Nikon no longer did crop cameras in the combo case, i.e. in fact, the Dx line was interrupted.
      It's sooooo rare in the world of consumer goods that there is evolution with direct “succession”. The same Volkswagen Golf, after which the class of standard size of cars was named at the time msk, has long since changed generations from a class named after itself.
      Hammer H1, H2, and H3 have as much in common with each other as Nikon D1, Leica M6 and Sony Cybershot line. And examples can be given endlessly.

      • Arkady Shapoval

        D2hs has been replaced by D3, it includes all the features of D2hs including shooting in crop mode. The same goes for D2xs-> D3x. That is, subsequent models include the same or improved capabilities of their predecessors, which is logical, since there is an evolution and development of cameras.
        But we do not want to see a decrease in some properties in q6? Only faster, only better. The D5200 is a direct continuation of the D5100, you are the first to disagree with this yet.
        But the d700 and d750 are a completely different story, the same applies to the d800 / d700

        • anonym

          Arkady, he’s just a trollite as usual, has already included philosophy.
          Of course, cameras are always aimed at solving specific tasks of photographers, like any other tools, this is called market segmentation. And Nikon simply does not have such a tool, a universal reporting camera in pro performance at a reasonable price.
          Simplifiedly, instead of a multitool, they give you a screwdriver and a knife, such as picking with what you have.
          And philosophy is not needed here, just understanding what a tool is and why it is needed is enough.

        • Vitaly N

          Arkady, how do you understand the decrease in properties in the 3xxx and 7xxx ranges?

          • anonym

            It is very simple to understand, the product life cycle has ended and a downgrade is underway - a reduction in price / price at any cost before the production is discontinued. Well, at the same time, so that there is no competition with new products.

            • Vitaly N

              That seems to be true. After building up functions, a sharp decline down. Well, at least the matrices did not worsen.

              • anonym

                Cutting? Where is it harsh? Secondary functions were slightly corrected, but the main ones were improved! I'm not a fanboy, but who needs support for old lenses on amateur crop in 2019?

              • Vitaly N

                Correctly noticed at the expense of amateur. 7200 was still advanced, 7500 is almost gone.

              • Vitaly N

                I’m even interested in what will be removed in 7600, if it still will be. CLS or screwdriver? Or an extra screen?

              • Alexander

                DSLR Crops are gone. Rip

              • Vitaly N

                It seems to me that FF DSLRs will quickly give way. All the same, in terms of the convenience of focusing, they are worse than the crop than the BZK will beat them.

          • anonym

            And what was the decline? As there were lines with their tasks, they remained

            • Vitaly N

              Well, except for the fact that they removed the microphone jack, the IR remote control for the 3000 series, something else. A battery pen, a rheostat, a second memory card were taken away from 7000, they simplified ext. screen, and the main set easier. In total, analogues of the 2000 and 6000 series did it.

              • anonym

                The D7500 became like a D90 without a rheostat and a second card, but everything is forgiven him for a sensor with ISO 1.500.000, and a third-party pen can be used. As for me, the 7000 line remained in place

              • Vitaly N

                But the bat handle from a third-party manufacturer now does not connect to the carcass through a special connector. It will be necessary to connect an external cable, there will be no joystick and wheels, battery management. A clear downgrade of the camera.

              • anonym

                Yes, with an ambush handle, but on the whole the logical continuation is the 7000th, the new best sensor, a modified focus, speed, the same control, there is no such disgrace as with the d700.

              • Vitaly N

                I looked at what the Chinese are offering. There is only a release button on the handle, cable connection to the side connector. The battery is removed from the carcass, there is only one in the pen - forget about doubling the number of shots. Also forget about using AA elements. That is, the handle is even worse than for the 2 and 3000 series.

              • anonym

                A type in the d700 in the native booster could put 2 batteries? There is a moronic booster under 1 ac.

              • anonym

                There, it seems, even ultrasonic cleaning was removed either in d3xxx or in d5xxx.

              • Vitaly N

                With a native pen, one battery in the carcass, the other in the pen.

              • Arkady Shapoval

                In blocks to d300 / 300s / 700 it is really inconvenient to use this way. To replace the battery in the camera, you need to remove the booster. At the same time, the same batteries in the booster for d80 and d90 are used by the couple much more conveniently.

        • Novel

          Did Canon have that downgrade bullshit in the series? I can immediately recall only the reduction in the speed of images in the iteration 50D - 60D. Well, they took the central sync contact of the flash either at 200D or at 250D.

  • Volodimir

    I read the comments and arguments. And he drew an analogy with tools - this is something like, you need one universal tool, so that there is a perforator, a drill, and a plane, and it would not hurt to shove a flathead machine there just in case.
    The problem with the Nikon D700 is that it is the first FF budget camera. But to say that it is balanced, where do such conclusions come from? I understand that sometimes it’s bad when there is a lot of choice, but it is also bad when there isn’t one. Suppose that there was no D700 model at all, which camera do you call balanced at the moment? And besides, there is always reasoning from the position of people who are limited in means, and you need to make an accurate choice, and not to miss. But there are already cameras that block the potential of the D700 and expand it.
    I’m sure that people who have gone through all the hell on cameras can say that the D700 is far from ideal, yes, there are interesting solutions in it, but this does not mean that it is ideal and balanced. The D700 only gave at that time more features, like the new cameras at the moment. There are people who have tried it and they did not like it, since it was not comfortable and not balanced for them.
    Therefore, there are armies of fans, one or another model, or even a brand. But to say that the D700 is balanced, and to prove it, I will try too much. Each camera is balanced for itself and the functions assigned to it at the time of release.

    • NE

      The dictionary says that "a balance is a system of indicators that characterize the ratio or equilibrium in some constantly changing phenomenon." The author said that the d700 had a good balance. He's treasured. By the way, no one gave any covenants to anyone. Good or bad, a lot or a little - these are all relative concepts. So far, there is only one single intelligible parameter in the text: the use of the main nodes from the top cameras…. which previously could be obtained in a non-top camera for significantly less money relative to the top. Well, here everything is clear further ..

    • anonym

      Arkady showed you the reasons for the balance. About the puncher - past the checkout. 5d Mark 3 is balanced, 5d Mark 4 too, but Nikon does not have this. Since 700 so showed that it is not profitable for the manufacturer. There are cameras 100 times better than the same d850, d5, and at the same time, there is no analogue in 2019 for d700, which is why all the fuss

  • Vitaly N

    Kenon doesn't bury the crop yet https://photar.ru/canon-90d-budet-anonsirovan-v-avguste-sentyabre-2019-goda/

    • Alexander

      He buries, all development of crop lenses is stopped, all development of crop cameras, the line is reduced and two top crop cameras are combined into one. Which is logical, the top crop for reporting and especially for photo hunting is quite in demand.

      • anonym

        Crop has been buried for many years! Lots of! It would be better to shoot the crop than bury it :(

  • Syoma

    For many years I shot Nikon d50 on the old “crop”, in recent times, every year I was eager to switch to a full frame and buy something more or less from a relevant, modern lineup, such as d750, d800. Then he thought seriously and decided that in all respects the d700 had the right camera for me and, to my luck, I managed to find an inexpensive copy for 30t at the flea market. with a trifle mileage of 4t. frames, almost never filmed on him. In a word, I am very satisfied, the instrument is stunning after my crop. I also decided to buy 5dMark2 for fun, it’s also not expensive, but the data and capabilities are not bad by today's standards. It is interesting to have a canon for comparison too.

  • 1Ds_mk3

    One whining in a thread. Well, it’s impossible to read.
    Everything fell, everything disappeared, there’s nothing to shoot.
    On Radozhiv, camera reviews ended (there are very few reviews of FF Canon, but there are no reviews of almost all units and dimes) and nostalgic threads started howling about when there was youth, the sky was blue and the grass was green. Well, like grandmas on a bench.
    Let the clinics discuss the queues for doctors, as well as the fact that free health care in the USSR has become almost completely paid?

    • anonym

      The topic is interesting and relevant, I don’t need 850, but to q4, which second camera should I take? I don’t see anyone here whining

  • ARIES

    The matrix used in the D700 has an rms noise voltage at the output in the frequency range of ______ Hz is no more than 200 μV, the signal saturation voltage is in the range of 300 - 500 mV.
    In the matrix used in D3, the rms voltage of the noise at the output in the frequency range _____ Hz is no more than 100 μV, the signal saturation voltage is within 1200 - 1500 mV.
    …………………… .. it follows that the matrix in D3 is better and much better (six times) than the matrix in D700.

    • Arkady Shapoval

      Yes, on d3 you can shoot on ISO 38.400 instead of ISO on the D700, they still know about it. You can check 6.400 * 6 = 38.400 yourself. And DD for d3 is 70 steps instead of 12 for d700, the difference is 6 times :)

      • Michael

        You want to say that the d700 has a redrawn matrix d3?

      • anonym

        Not 70, but 14.5 then :)

      • ARIES

        well done Arkady, wonderful site ... God bless you health and creative success

    • anonym

      Posted by techie. I’ve been shooting for d3 and d700 for several years, I can’t distinguish the picture and ductility of Rav. On the top three, bb is slightly better and the color is slightly better, but this is only in rare cases. Therefore, here the situation is more likely in favor of the same sensors. As someone noted, at that time, Nikon simply had no other

  • Michael

    I read the comments and learned a lot about my beloved D800E. It turns out that the shake and smears and colors are bad and slow, ... and I shoot everything for her: subject, macro, portraits, landscapes and reports! Great camera. The colors are real, the raves stretch, but it smears if you forgot to switch from manual focus to auto. A bit slow, sports are difficult to shoot and can't keep up with squirrels in the forest ... it works best, of course, in the studio.

    • anonym

      There is such a company - nikon. It was she who recognized the presence of blurring and shaking problems in the d800 / d800e, as well as the af curve at the points not in the center. As a result, the mirror damper, the shutter mechanism, the af module for the d810 and d850 were successively replaced.
      And the owners of the d800 were given a training manual with the desire to use live view wherever possible and a tripod.
      Details https://fakechuckwestfall.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/nikond800tripod.jpg

      The color of the d800 is sad, it used signal compression with dips in semitones to transmit 36mp. Fixed in d810 and d850.

      • Arkady Shapoval

        Humor with a tripod is good :) But the situation is not the most fun

        • anonym

          Well, the first pancake is lumpy.
          It was not even a beta, but an alpha version of a new generation of cameras.
          Nikon is great in admitting all the problems in MK3 - i.e. in d850 everything was fixed. As a rule, MK3 versions are the most refined - MK1 is alpha, MK2 is beta and MK3 is release. As for Sonya, that for Kenon, that for Nikon.

          • 1Ds_mk3

            The German gunners in World War I were just taught the flight ~ under-flight ~ cover system. Well i.e. so that for the third time you always hit for sure)
            So is Nikon)

      • 1Ds_mk3

        The picture is funny :)
        And if the wind blows?)

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