What's next?

Another note about phones and cameras.

Old school

Old school, well, at least the head does not need to be fixed in a special vice, so as not to twitch, as it was 20 years ago

For 2018, I was asked several times to make photo books from photos taken on mobile phones / tablets. There were several cases when I made photobooks from photographs taken on vacation in parallel on inexpensive CZKs and unpretentious modern smartphones. I mixed photos in photo books. In the printed version of photobooks of the format 20 * 30 (several photos per page) to distinguish where the phone and where the camera was almost impossible.

UPDATE 1: in 2019, I could not at all distinguish some pictures on the phone from pictures on Nikon D3300 (24 MP, APS-C) and kit lens Nikon 18-55mm 1: 3.5-5.6GII VR II AF-S DX Nikkor... In a photobook of 30 * 30 format, full-page photos from the phone looked very, very good.

UPDATE 2: in 2020 I worked hard with the phone Redmire Xiaomi Note Pro 8 (main sensor Samsung ISOCELL Plus 64 MP). The detail and dynamic range in some of the shots amazed me a lot!

UPDATE 3: in 2020, I had an interesting conversation with the owner of a Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra smartphone (108 MP main sensor), which simultaneously shoots with excellent Canon EOS 7D MARK II (20 MP, APS-C, 2015) and pretty Canon Zoom Lens EF-S 17-55mm 1: 2.8 IS USM... The owner complained for a long time and showed examples of the same scenes, shot at the same time, in which it is clearly visible that the photographs from the phone were superior to those from the camera.

UPDATE 4: small came out note about smartphone apps.

UPDATE 5: see this record.

If before buying some budget Canon EOS 550D / Nikon D3100 and in addition a budget fifty dollar with F / 1.8, you could immediately 'elevate' your photographic work due to perspective and bokeh, now modern gadgets do the same tricks. Previously, the photographer could easily stand out from the crowd of ordinary 'onlookers' by photographic equipment alone... It was something like this - whoever has a longer lens is a more 'professional photographer'.

What now and what next? Now the abundance of high-quality cameras in portable devices forces photographers to promote their services with more interesting subjects, ideas, photographic techniques, more perverse artistic processing. In general, it stimulates professional growth of the photographer, its capabilities and ways of providing services.

I also observe in the market of some photo services a certain satiety. In general, this throws many photographers out of the market. Over the past few months I have received many letters and phone calls from my colleagues with a question where is the money lebowski what's going on with customers, Arkady? I also feel the pressure of the market. If in 2011 I shot about 70 weddings, then in 2018 these numbers have become much smaller. One can rejoice that at last the number of built factories for burning photographers has reached effective indicators, but one can also be a little saddened for those who with great enthusiasm wanted to get into the world of photography, but remained overboard.

Conventionally, it can be argued that many people have 'millions' of more or less bearable photos from phones / tablets, a sea of ​​'creative' photos with colorful filters in 'these our' instagram and they simply don't need anything else. They were 'satiated' with photographs.

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The material was prepared by Arkady Shapoval. My Youtube channeland Radozhiva's group on Facebook и VK.

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  • Nicholas

    Arkady, I also called you and also came to similar thoughts. The photo stops feeding me, the phones did us !!! I’m going to work in another area now. Colleagues appreciate customers !!!

  • Lynx

    not “to get into the world of photography” but “povydzhobyvatsya and cut the dough where it’s not difficult to learn especially for this.
    Goofy, all of a sudden everything wasn’t so simple again.
    Well, again, the economy in certain countries and cities squeezes the “need for photographs for money” to the lower level of needs.

    • prime_k

      Why is there no rating for comments?) Plusanul your comment. I agree with the thought.
      For creative photos, of course, the simpler the better (smartphone). Where optical quality is important, i.e. a person (photographer) consciously comes to this conclusion (prof. interest or hobby), then something more advanced. I use both that and that. A smartphone often freaks out with its sensibility (rain, cold), and you can’t always take a SLR with you.

      • Alexander

        Now, under normal shooting conditions, it is no longer possible to distinguish - it is a smartphone, a Crop DSLR or a full-frame DSLR with an ordinary, everyday lens ... If a person has a full eye, then only a few positions can be distinguished - all this can be distinguished only from a good fix, which is installed on a camera with any matrix and the middle frame with any lens is immediately visible ... Remember, 24x36 and 60x90 films ... These two photos could be immediately distinguished with the naked eye, no matter what cost they were taken with cameras ...
        Recently, I generally think and try to do that when shooting, you need to move towards the lowest possible ISO values, and at what in any illumination ... And only in very urgent cases, when all the possibilities with the aperture and shutter speed are exhausted, start raising the ISO ... Me now even at ISO 800 they don't like photographs - the sharpness falls ...
        And in general, some commentators are right ... Over the past 20 years, marketers have so fucked up the brains of people that people really rushed to photographers for any event ... In fact, all these session pros only reduce their wallet in size and just feed a whole army of idlers ... And then no one looks at these wedding photos, and the video is also in the closet, it takes up space ... In fact, I have already made sure that a good friend who has an ordinary DSLR and an external flash and who knows how to shoot a little bit is enough ... which I have noted more than once, and many of my friends noted the same thing that the photos of such friends are radically different for the better in terms of information content and plot from that pro who ripped off so much money from you, and then people do not even understand for that, since there is not much to watch there ... Some abstruse - staged scenes, moreover, mostly on some small scale, which after the event no one likes ... Why is all this ..? Everything should be natural ... In 2007, acquaintances got married and invited such a pro to a wedding ... Well, they asked me to take pictures at the same time ... And then I had Olympus E520 and an external flash, too, Olympus F50 ... After the celebration, they told me, fuck, we paid money to that pros, if your photos are much better in all respects ... So the maximum that you can agree to is shooting in the registry office - it's hard to mess up there, although some pros manage to mess up there too ... And everything else - to shoot on your own - is much cheaper, it will be more pleasant look and money can be spent for the benefit of a young family, and not on useless zeros and ones, which will just as uselessly lie in a closet on a disk ...

        • Pokemon

          “The photos of such friends are radically different for the better in terms of information content and plot from that pro”
          "After the celebration, they told me, fuck we paid money to that pro if your photos are much better in every way ..."
          I had a similar case - my wedding was filmed by one well-known photographer in Moscow time (I resisted, but my wife (former, already) wanted then, “SHOB WAS BEAUTIFUL”.
          We got a photo album and technical photos, technically good, but staged and soulless.
          Album with photos after 2-3 times views and remained lying around. And my ex-sister was filmed by a mutual friend who rented a camera for a wedding. Not only did he not bother anyone with his “get up there and do it”, he also took part in the wedding with everyone, managed to deal with an unfamiliar camera model, and in the end there was also an album. But, PANCAKE, in the pictures there was a SOUL and lively emotions. For a wedding, it's just EVERYTHING.
          I paid $ 1000 for a photographer and the same amount for a video of my wedding. As a result, I realized that a good acquaintance who understands something in photography can take pictures more soulfully than pros.

          • Arkady Shapoval

            I shot my first wedding a long time ago Mikhail TitarenkoI was very pleased with the result.

            At my second wedding (where I am the groom), when I was already an experienced photographer myself, we invited our mutual friend, an amateur photographer, as a wedding “bombila”. I gave him several cameras, lenses, and another helper friend. All the plots we played on our own with my wife. I just had to say how I want to be filmed, what settings, how the light, how the color and so on. In the end, we were very pleased, because in fact, my wife and I took all the directing into their own hands, the photographer only had to press a button. We also had a very good time in the company of “our” person. As a result, there was so much material that I still sometimes come back to it and modify something or just enjoy the photos.
            You can write whole books about wedding photography and work as a wedding man, there are millions of different nuances, moments and other things. Those who have not filmed weddings all the time, have not worked with a client, will hardly understand how difficult and delicate it is. Those who shout “that weddings need to be burned” are not entirely right. Each profession is important and necessary.

            • Pokemon

              Arkady, I am not saying that “weddings should be burned”, I just told my case.

              • Arkady Shapoval

                Of course, I'm not talking about you :)

            • Charles

              And at the first wedding you were a bride?

              • US6IBD

                Bravo, Karl! :-)

          • Alexey

            Reportage is the king of photography. True emotion and atmosphere in photographs is a pleasure, even if the photographs themselves are technically far from ideal. The photographer is invited to the wedding to do it beautifully, get glamorous photos in standard plots, over time, having amused ChSV and boasting, an understanding comes in the emotional emptiness of the album. This is the fault of both clients who do not understand what is really needed, and the photographer who works on the conveyor belt for money. It is really difficult to shoot a beautiful, accurate and unusual reportage, maybe this is not all, and it is expensive.

            • Maksim

              Let me guess, reporter? Or don't you know how to shoot something else?

  • Lynx

    and being in the world of photography doesn’t seem to interfere.
    As well as the presence-absence of "govnoserkalka".

    • anonym

      I agree with you! To my great regret, the comprehension of photography by today's generation is viewed only through the prism of earning money. I cannot imagine a modern young man who loves photography unselfishly, simply because it is a mirror of his soul. Amateur photography is almost extinct. No one donates even a small amount of money for the purchase of equipment, not hoping to “recapture” it with custom filming. And in Soviet times they lived in poverty, but millions of people were FUN with photography; they were interested in life in all its manifestations. Creativity was the cornerstone. If they were successful, some amateur photographers seldom sold their works, and then just to compensate for the considerable expenses. For many, photography later became a profession. But the initial for them was LOVE from the word “love”. And she is a priori disinterested. For today, it is love for money, and almost the only way. If they stop paying, many people will forget about photography as about grandma's sewing machine. Alas…

      • anonym

        Why did it die out, amateur photography is quite alive, and a lot of people are engaged in creativity for the sake of creativity) I myself am such, and I have many such friends. While a person needs to express himself, creativity will be necessary for him)

      • Lynx

        well, there is a sufficient layer of amateur photographers. I know a lot, but the percentage “as earnings” is probably more, I will not argue.

      • prime_k

        And I agree with you. The era of rampant capitalism has captured the minds and hearts of people.
        Now in almost any field of hobby this is so. Wherever you spit, either make money on a hobby or spend a ton of money on tools for this hobby.

      • Paul

        I have to disagree with you. Having a very limited budget, for a year (spending no more than 2t per month) I bought a set of studio lighting for amateur family photography, children's creativity. Plus from the old spending 4 fixes and a couple of zooms to another pair of full-frame boots. Enthusiasm is not dead. He is

      • Alexander

        I agree one hundred percent ... Now the army of these professionals, it is not clear where they got out, it is not clear why they bought the camera and they have no idea about photography at all ... They shoot weddings at a high price, but in fact, photos are mediocre, even a wedding cannot be photographed humanly ...

        • Maksim

          And you, I look pro. Wow, what conceit.

      • Lev

        Lovers are and will be. I am one of those amateurs who do not even think to “beat off” the costs of a hobby, for something that is for the soul. Of course, the ideal situation is when a hobby brings substantial income. But in amateurism, it is important not how much money you can earn with such and such a carcass and with such and such a super-aperture lens. It is important that you can film and leave impressions as a keepsake. The joy is incomparable when you save up for some old but interesting lens, and then you shoot them for pleasure. There will always be some “professional” who will say that your device is a dull turd, and the lenses are bullshit for a shit crop. And the photographs of such professionals very often are dull poop. Yes, technically filmed, yes, light and everything else at the proper level ... but the soul does not remain. The soul is in the photographs of those who have not ceased to be an amateur. A photographer is a state of mind, above all. Arkady, many thanks for the raised topic. Good sincere pictures to everyone

        • Alexander

          I fully support the foregoing by you and also completely agree with you and agree with the author of the article, being himself a simple amateur photographer.

        • Alexey

          Thank you for your words! This is a kind of support for amateur enthusiasts like you.
          Thanks to Arkady for his great work, which he does on his resource.

      • Sasha

        I agree, an extremely rare topic, I try to stick. Sometimes, of course, they ask for money to withdraw, I do not refuse, I just ask for much less than others.

  • Novel

    Yes, this is relevant. But not for amateurs and creative people who do not make money on photography, for example, I am an installer of cnc machine tools, I just take them off for myself, there is an old Nikon d700, several lenses, I don’t like to shoot anything on the phone, even sometimes annoying. With regards to the photo services market. In the Russian Federation, he depresses me, every chizhik buying a camera calls himself a photographer, the presence of Photoshop in photographs generally scares me. It can just draw on a computer. People want to look good, but it's only on paper. Be yourself and that’s it.

  • Alexey

    The reason is the fall in solvency, and not in new gadgets, photos taken by a professional will always be better. The services of a photographer are not absolutely necessary; it’s a luxury if it’s not about technical photography. In case of falling income, such services are refused first. Good income for photographers, artists, and all other people working in the field of culture and art are possible with a strong economy and high incomes. Alas, the doctrine of the economic basis and superstructure works, regardless of our attitude to its author. In difficult conditions, the photographer needs to pay attention to the media report and technical photography.

    • Koba

      Totally agree. Marx discovered that there is a basis of a social formation - these are production relations, and the superstructure is everything else, including culture, so in countries where the basis is shaky or at an undeveloped level, photography, like other types of cultural activities of a person and society as a whole, are also at a low level. level, of course, everywhere there are gifted people ready to give everything to a certain job, vocation, but in general the level will remain low. A good example is China, where manufacturers already sell almost half of everything they produce, super-expensive half-trash cameras from Lake are also half sold in China in the form of jewelry for the photographer who work on real cameras, and so in China photography develops by leaps and bounds (actually it it’s always been at a high level), over the past 15 years, more than 50 monthly magazines began to be published, whose print runs exceed half a million, and Chinese photography is printed in a million print run, people buy them about although the state is stimulating art more and more. So the decline of photography, as a result of the decline in the economic level of a particular state, is a completely understandable and natural process, capitalism is ending its existence, it is very possible that it will end it with the Great Atomic War, and everything that is connected with capitalist methods of making a profit for the sake of survival or obsession is also on the decline, but that doesn't mean photography or other forms of art will die as people get smartphones. Let's ask, who are these people? Yes, simple upholstery, satisfying their daily needs, such as what I ate or where I was, what does this have to do with photography? Absolutely none, without mobile phones the real number of photographers would be the same, well, let's say, digital cameras would add a certain percentage, maybe double ... Photography now serves only enrichment, profit, or simple survival, and in this situation, photography is given a small place , the illusion of photography is created due to the fact that art under capitalism serves art itself, that is, it is essentially empty, it is expressed in formality, not in content, with few exceptions, but when it will express the life of the people, and not some fleeting moments like Bruce Gilden's moronic photographs, then he will flourish, when photographers will have the opportunity to do what they love, regardless of spending 90% of their time for their own survival, then photography will find its true purpose as an art form. By the way, there is a video on YouTube where someone analyzed more or less active photographers of our time and it turned out that 82% of them come from rich or very rich families.

      • VasilVasil

        Monumental. I also remember something from Ilf and Petrov: If the artists explained what they paint, the audience would love their works more. I cannot but agree: He can truly engage in creativity and give himself completely to him only when he is well fed, with rare exceptions (Van Gogh and others ...)

        • anonym

          That's right, but by well-fed we should probably mean the reasonably well-fed and not the well-fed to the point of disgrace or striving for this or dreaming about it. By the way, isn't the principle the same in any other profession or occupation? First, people should at least not die of hunger and live normally, and then what is called “what to do” begins ... You know, many do not know such a parameter for a country as the components of independence, and so one of the main such parameters is agricultural independence , that is, whether the country produces agricultural products in sufficient quantities for itself. So in China this figure is already 92%, it also exports tens of millions of tons of grain, garlic, etc. While this figure was at the level of 25-35 percent, and there was no photo or speech, it remained at the level of the most necessary for the state and history, as well as scanty for science, and now its time has come. These are not my words, it was directly explained to me by a local photographer of mine, the head of the city association of photographers (about 6 million people live here), that is, he expressed a very simple idea - everything has its time, as well as resources.

          • VasilVasil

            Sorry, three more pennies about satiety.
            ** Being determines consciousness - From the preface to "To the Critique of Political Economy" (1859) by Karl Marx (1818-1883): "It is not the consciousness of people that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being determines their consciousness." **
            When you are free from the routine of everyday survival and obtaining food, then your brain can engage in creativity and enjoy personalized pleasure from it. But if you know how to do something better than others, why should others use your skill for free.
            As for photography as the next stage in fixing the visual perception of the world, it has survived the evolution from cave paintings to complex computer processing, and I think that the history of fixing visual perceptions is not over yet.
            In the future we will talk only about photography. :-)

      • Alexander

        I agree ... Capitalism is the worst thing that can be for people ... You just can't imagine worse ...

    • Alexander

      The photographs taken by this army of professionals, who have now flooded all cities to mow the grandmother, will always be worse than the photographs of the simplest amateur ... Because they are not professionals, but mowers ... Now there are no professionals, that is, they are, but they all are engaged in serious work, and not grandmothers at weddings mow ... Wedding photography is a trash heap for those who do not know how to do anything and who are not taken anywhere ...

      • Arkady Shapoval

        Wedding photography wedding photography strife. In the countries of the former CIS, the attitude towards weddings as “bombils” was formed for obvious reasons, but apart from these countries there are others with a different approach and with different goals, styles, etc. etc.

        • Alexander

          Arkady ... And we just live in our country and what is happening in other countries is useless for us ... I will say more ... In those countries you are talking about, capitalism is well-established, regulated by the state, and will turn to face people at least partially ... And here it is - huckster feudalism, which will not even turn its ass towards people, but an even worse place ... So we do not care what they have, since we do not take good from them, but only take the bad and what they had a hundred - two hundred years ... Remember the "wild west" then everything was against people ...

      • Maksim

        What about your masterpieces?

  • Paul

    99% of people take photos on iPhones and are unaware of the existence of cameras. The brush.

    And the meaning is this.
    1. Digital cameras became extinct as a class, they were replaced by smartphones. A bunch of post-processing programs allow you to do whatever you want with photos: “a la Cartier-Bresson”, “a la Lake”, “a la Canon EOS 5 D Mark IV”, etc.
    Since 95% of photos are viewed on a screen with no more than Full HD detail, the difference in the picture between the 1 / 2,3 ″ and 36x24 mm matrix will not be noticeable, especially when compressed to these same Full HD.
    2. Mirror crop follows leaps of digital dust boxes with leaps and bounds; the most advanced smartphones and mirrorless crop help in this.
    3. Mirrored fullframe becomes the destiny of the pros. But he also unsuccessfully tries to tear himself away from a mirrorless fullframe advancing on his heels.
    3a. (corollary to item 3). Wedding photographers will eventually die out as a class, because soon it will be fashionable to shoot a wedding on an iPhone with processing in the program “cool photos wedding man with a large SLR” :)
    3b. (also corollary to item 3). But what will remain is the author's photo schools, photo courses and the like, which implies live communication between the teacher and students offline.
    All online courses, schools, webinars like “How to become a cool wedding / landscape / advertising photographer in 3 lessons, the first lesson is free” - like a flea on Duchka, and 99,999% of them have one goal - pumping the dough out of fools. If anyone does not know, the conductor of a symphony orchestra does not prepare for 3 hours. So it is with a competent photographer.
    In general, Arkady, you understand what to do your best in the future. :)
    4. Medium format is a medium format. Rolls-Royce. Perfect, reference and inaccessible.

    • anonym

      The medium format is by no means a Rolls Royce. no place.
      The meaning of Rolls-Royce is prestige / level of ownership.
      And the medium format is a variant of the craftsman's tool, for the customer of the service the result is important, not the tool.

      The reasons for the failure of traditional cameras have long been known.
      - The most important thing is that the result system has changed. earlier it was a computer and printing, now it is a smart screen and a display on the network.
      - the quality of smart photos has improved dramatically, there is simply no 2MP difference with traditional cameras when viewed on a smart screen
      - the viewing time has changed - photo processing
      - smart is always with you and you don't need to buy a camera separately
      - for a number of tasks, the quality of smarts is ENOUGH for 90% of users.
      - the kenikons and the company sat on their laurels for a long time and did not introduce anything new.
      in electronics, those processes and algorithms, traditional ZK and BZ are 3-5 years behind the minimum of smart cameras.
      The result is obvious.

    • Max

      Why not PF then? Schaub honestly, with a cardan and a black blanket on his head

    • Alexander

      Photo schools and photo courses are generally a scam for most people who are lured there in batches, saying that after the courses you will make masterpieces ...
      An exception is narrowly focused professions where a person needs knowledge for work, for example, an advertising photographer or portrait or something else ...
      And for ordinary people - the Internet to help for free, everything is the same as in the courses ... Although, by and large, you can find everything for free for narrowly focused professions ...

      • Arkady Shapoval

        Photographers are like cacti - they “grow” slowly.
        Courses are also different, for many they are useful. In the modern world, the field of education is very in demand. Not everyone can do self-education

        • Alexander

          It doesn't take a lot of time to learn how to shoot like an amateur ... Everyone can grasp these basics very quickly ... You don't need paid courses for this ... If a person wants to shoot, he will find everything on the Internet for free ... But if he just thinks he wants or it’s like this is the fashion now, but in fact he doesn’t have enough intelligence to even understand what the diaphragm does, then don’t teach such a thing - it’s useless ... That's basically what this huge universal scam in the form of courses is designed for ... To pump out money ... In the case of normal courses on the territory of the CIS, there may be only 1-2, but in fact there are only thousands of them .. And everyone wants money ... And in these courses, material is collected from the same Internet ... It's just that it is laid out on shelves and recorded on discs ... This is an illusion of deception ... And in fact, how to shoot this or that, for me personally, and the Internet is not needed, I get to everything myself ... An exception for me may be, for example, some light schemes when shooting portraits or shooting objects, advertisements (flags, reflectors and all that ) ... And of course n Some techniques of working in Photoshop ... Some, because I mastered the basic techniques myself and without help ... Well, if a person is not given this (to shoot), then at least a stake on his head ... You tell him how he should click a group of people in full growth, in which I am also ... Understood? I understood ... As a result, the faces are in the middle, the upper half of the frame is the sky, cut to the waist ... You ask, did you understand everything ...? how did you take off ...? The answer is - well, you can see the faces ... So all these courses are an illusion of deception ... Everything is on the Internet ... I, for example, have learned a lot from your site ... And for free ...

          • Maksim

            You still say that all education is a scam? Or, in your opinion, the little man who received the piece of paper = professional?

      • Maksim

        What's wrong with the courses? Do they put everything in your mouth yourself? People like you are amusing.

  • Paul

    Sorry for typos: auto-dialer, his mother is so!

  • Vitaliy U

    For people with a “clap” and hands, there are also photo stocks for making money. It's about money. And if we talk about photos, then everything repeats itself: when in the late 90s the market was covered by a wave of budget film “soap dishes”, the professional photographers reacted in about the same way as modern ones today))) The situation repeated itself with the advent of affordable digital “soap dishes” on the market ... It may be objected that the matrix + optics there will not create spectacular blur / volume, but it is enough to know a simple LR and the presence of a couple of presets in it to get "thin effects"))) How would not cameras be available and advanced in modern gadgets , but they will never replace the photographer who knows how to create light painting. I'm not talking about additional lighting, without which the same wedding cannot be filmed (high quality!). To be honest, I have not yet met weddings filmed on a smartphone)))
    But the laws of the market will force professional photographers to come up with exclusive "chips" and "tricks" to fight for the client. And this is good! For photographers and clients)

    • Lynx

      “No matter how affordable and advanced cameras are in modern gadgets, they will never replace a photographer who knows how to create light painting.” only 90% of “commercial photographers” do not know how to create it either, so they are on an equal footing with iPhones)))

      • Vitaliy U

        ))) There is nothing you can write about)) In my city so far (!) There are about five photographers who understand what light is. And (by the way) everyone started practicing the film. And the narrow man and sf. It’s not easy)))

        • anonym

          The circle of these guru photographers is narrow. They are terribly far from the people. But their cause was not lost. They all started practicing film. And the narrow man and sf.

      • Alexander

        I would say that 99 do not know how ...

    • Maksim

      You won't earn much on photo stocks. In order to really have some money from there, you really need to “work hard” and download packs of photos.

  • anonym

    it's all rubbish ... absolutely nothing ... digital images of "0" and "1" in virtual clouds - like elf shit and troll gold. no one sees them

    • anonym

      You wrote something strange. Like Malevich's “Square”: nothing is clear, but how many meanings! And that's about shit very well, somehow advanced!

    • Nicholas

      Yeah, millions of likes on Instagram and Facebook, through these pictures the lives of people change, everyone sees them. Nobody will see these photos of you once you are not in the same inst

      • Alexander

        That's right, that AHA ...! Through these pictures, the amount of money that this exhibitor will receive and nothing else changes ... Just like in YouTube - more videos, more users, more likes - more money ... If YouTube did not pay money, there would be no channels there ... Nobody would I did not do this for free ... Their capitalists are not fools, they understand - there is no incentive - not development ... And if there are interesting channels on YouTube and you can watch and receive useful information for yourself in one area or another, then on Instagram there are millions of useless pictures that no one looks the second time and after the first time they immediately forget about them ... The only benefit from them is to the one who spreads them - this is earnings, but I think he himself does not really remember what he put there ... the money is dripping and okay ...

  • anonym

    “According to a new report by the Association of Camera and Image Manufacturers (CIPA), the supply of digital cameras in the first two months of 2019 fell sharply compared to the same period a year earlier.
    In January, sales fell 74,1% to about 1 million units. And in February, sales fell by 69,7%, which resulted in 935 thousand cameras, of which about 521 thousand accounted for SLR cameras with interchangeable lenses. The number of interchangeable lenses sold over the year decreased from 798 thousand units to 521 thousand units. ”

    • Lynx

      Duc, the market has long been oversaturated, especially with entry-level DSLRs (and even more compact ones). Avito and local flea markets are packed with secondary housing, which no one even takes.

      • anonym

        our secondary market is oversaturated with pyadvakami, triples, all types of 6d, 1dx and other. gadget was recently at $ 50, it reaches the point of absurdity when the second mark and some sort of 600d are offered at the same price :)
        but the smartphones Huawei P30 and P30 Pro set another record. In 10 seconds, the company sold 200 million yuan worth of devices. That is, she sold 30-50 thousand devices.
        Despite the fact that the difference with 20 Pro is mainly in the camera. and the price of the device is about $ 800.

        • anonym

          But lovers are happy!

        • Pokemon

          Where do you live?
          I can’t even believe that the Heap goes for $ 50 ...
          On Avito, in Moscow, now, normal, unkilled, Pribyatka cost from 20.000 rubles (~ $ 300)

        • Koba

          Personally, I shot the Heawei P20 Pro and the new one too. To be honest, there is nothing surprising in the fact that he is on the first place in terms of image quality among smartphones. There is a 1 / 1.7 matrix, that is, the same size that a few years ago was in pretty serious soap dishes like this Ricoh GX100. There is still a fixed lens developed in conjunction with Lake, which Huawei provided a smart building with super equipment and living conditions for their invited employees in Shenzhen, and image processing processors have advanced over the past few years. The image from this smartphone is in no way inferior to the others up to ISO400, and the iPhone did not even stand next to it with its microscopic matrix. And she and other smartphones satisfy the everyday needs of the consumer, that is, they take beautiful home photos, such as what I ate, where I went, as well as technical photos of goods for instant exchange, as well as video, this has nothing to do with commercial photography (the same owners super smartphones dance in the same China from 5 to 10000 dollars for photographers when they get married), not to photography. There are no contradictions, and the fact that modern technology has made photography a mass product and the heritage of all mankind, as well as accessible to millions, is good, very good. Millions of people start and use smartphones, and then sometimes they realize that they can do more and buy professional equipment, I use them in parallel.

    • Alexander

      That's right ... And it will be even worse ... And the capitalists do not want to understand that oversaturation is like a hangover after a booze ... Only the hangover passes, but oversaturation does not ... Why buy new cameras if they have nothing new and everything that could be done in cameras - has long been done ...? For an ordinary thinking amateur with a head, an ordinary amateur camera like Nikon D7000 - D7100 is enough ... Since 2009, cameras have acquired their finished form in the form of picture quality and you can't think of anything new in them ... The quality is normal ... Another thing is that manufacturers deliberately make some functions worse in cheaper cameras and better in more expensive ones ... For example - the quality of shooting at high ISO ... The quality of the D7000 at ISO 800 corresponds to the same quality of the Nikon D810 camera at ISO more than 3200 ... ISO is not a panacea at all and it is much more pleasant to learn and shoot at low ISO in low light ... Fixes with a large aperture will also help with this ... And you need to think about changing a carcass in the very last place, and in the case of the D7000 - D7100 maybe you don't need to think about it at all ...? Well, it is clear - whoever consciously wishes a full frame - then good luck to him ...

      • Maksim

        This is already a clinic. The capitalists are to blame for him. Something like you forget that it was capitalism that was the engine of progress in everything, and not a lousy planned economy.

  • Air force

    Well, how can a smartphone replace a focal 100-500? How to remove birds?
    Yes, and an uncomfortable smartphone

    • Nicholas

      135 mm made will do and 500 issue in time

    • anonym

      for such a focal one buy a nikon p900, it can be found for $ 250 in excellent condition.

    • anonym

      How to remove birds?
      Take off? No way. But to draw (if you find out which bird) is easy.
      Your AI.
      Actually in 20-40 years.

  • Artem

    It's just that now is the time when the “pros” will die out, those who do not know how to shoot even with professional equipment. The prices for services can be raised, you will start filming 5 weddings a year, at a price of 70.

    you can talk for a long time about phones, but for example weddings, if they are not filmed by a pro, but relatives are stupid, do not expect any video at all, who to ask? Yes, if you compare "not in the forehead" then the photos do not differ much, but try to download a photo from a DSLR to your smartphone, the difference will be immediately visible.

    • anonym

      In the registry offices, one can hear more and more often “we will shoot a video on the phone”, video at budget weddings and mediocre weddings has died long ago. Expensive weddings are ticked off

      • Arkady Shapoval

        Yes, it’s true, I work less and less with a videographer / videographer

    • Alexander

      Then, in general, no one will order them ... No photographer is needed at the wedding, it's better to spend money for good ... Then no one will look at these photos anyway ... A friend with an ordinary SLR and an external flash is enough ... And the photos will be better than these grief professional photographers ...

      • First Substation

        So then it is, but a little bit wrong. Not everyone has a photo enthusiast friend. Not every friend will want to exchange drunken adventures for responsible photography. A hired photographer is finally just convenient, even if your smartphone gives similar quality.

        • Alexander

          Hired photographer = it's a waste of money and a lot ... it has nothing else behind it ...

          • Artem

            a hired photographer will do something at least, but friends, don’t go, then look for who shot your wedding)) and in the end it turns out that people took selfies against the background of the groom and the bride))))
            and as for the software boke, while even top-end smartphones do this with errors, they cut off ears and hair. and it sucks to put it mildly

  • anonym

    As an amateur, for some reason I never enjoyed taking pictures on the phone and I’m a little dumb that we are entering the era of consumer goods flavors, where the phone’s software bokeh is higher than even the inexpensive 50 / 1.8. Sorry t9

    • anonym

      software bokeh has long been no different from non-software.

      • anonym

        So sadness

      • RussTamblyn

        That is, smartphones have learned to blur more with increasing distance? I just use cheap xiaomi, in which the camera is for the jackdaw.

        • anonym

          In normal smarts, a separate percentage is responsible for the photo.
          he defines the main object and washes the background according to the selected algorithm.
          in many cases it turns out quite on the level.

      • anonym

        In most cases, it’s different, but at the expense of a long time, you really got excited.

      • Maksim

        Put on your glasses.

    • Lynx

      and I shot a whole photo project on a mobile. And processed it in a "prism". a sincere thing turned out, though I will not undertake in any way to break through the exhibition.

  • Vanc

    Arkadiy, hour and hour I go to your site and read it. You’ve just splendidly robbed the robot, and for the sake of this you will live in vain!
    Ale is absolutely not worthy with your thought in the article. If you don’t follow your commercial robots, please write a stat_ virshiv all to google that you should complain about the lack of robots. Сорі, але івень your photographs on the rivne rock of 2010th. zrozumіlo scho in you mensha robots, your shots on an amatorial rіvnі і especially if I did not catch a zyomka in you. pіdtyagayte rіven і will be klіnti)
    ps I videorgaf rivalry and that a great squeeze on the weight market I do not bach. with leather rock my zarobitki tilki grow.

    • Arkady Shapoval

      in fact, I don’t complain about the lack of work, I mentioned only the decline in work in the wedding direction and that the photo market itself sank in certain directions. I’m not a top photographer and I have never positioned myself like this, it’s true.

      • anonym

        Arkady, and where can I see your work?

        • Arkady Shapoval

          My work is divided into three separate components, which practically do not overlap.
          For clients, I have a separate site http://www.wedding-photographer.tv/
          I rent a lot for myself separately, which you can see here https://500px.com/arkadiishapoval (gallery with models here https://500px.com/arkadiishapoval/galleries/people-8 )
          And separately I photograph for reviews here on Radozhiva

          • Ilya

            The color on the site’s photo is 500 pixels in Arkady’s style, commerce is like regular commerce. I rent it myself to order and for the soul, I agree that these are generally different things

            • Arkady Shapoval

              Commerce is primarily about working with people, only then the process of photographing itself. For many years I am a little tired of people, sometimes it's fun with them, sometimes it's very difficult. Everyone has their own tastes, but being a photographer is a great experience in life in general. Sometimes after a "hard" shooting I want to shoot for my own pleasure and with a completely different technique, nature calms and relaxes me and playing with color, which, actually, I have a lot of 500 pixels. Also, for 10 years of running the site, I also got enough of different photographic equipment. Recently, a Pentax representative asked me "how, I was impressed by the lens", but I have nothing to answer, I probably will not be impressed by a single "glass" or camera. All these are tools, for their tasks, for their goals, with their own characteristics. This is a plus that I can look at them without the prism of "wow-new". At the same time, sometimes the review of a whale lens / old manual is sometimes much more interesting to do, because there is a challenge to make normal pictures out of bad / weak / old technology. In art, a set of constraints is often the best catalyst for perfection.

              • Andrei

                "In art, a set of constraints is often the best catalyst for excellence."
                Words of truth!
                The pros know everything and how. Youth does not know anything, therefore it can create without fear of mistakes. Not all, of course, are 5-10 percent.

              • anonym

                Yeah, professional burnout.

              • Arkady Shapoval

                Rather, moving on to something else

  • Andrei

    All commentators are right. And Lynx is also right, in his most "restrained" word. For many, this period meant the dominance of amateurism, when the taste of the crowd dried up, or maybe it did not exist, so the pro leaves the stage to the sound of his own hooves.
    Again, economic reasons - certainly. Luxury is the first to drop out of the diet; let's leave the cakes for later, first the bread. But if you remember how the car drove out the horse? Something similar is happening now.
    How will aristocrats and other counts exchange a thoroughbred horse, whose pedigree is longer than the sage's beard, for an iron, soulless car ?! So they thought and miscalculated. And we think that the lamp light will return, but, on the hike, we are also an outsider. It's fucking progress, and it can't be stopped. Because it is from the lazy and for the lazy, and such are the majority.
    Our time is the time of the funeral of professional photography. Let's get our DSLRs out, peck directly into the lens, without fear, and we will move on.

    • Arkady Shapoval

      Yes, I communicate with many and many are sure that photos from phones suck and that “how can I not see the difference”, and then you show the printed pictures and ask to show where the phone is, where is the central control center or the BZK, after which the howling starts “but on I would spin the computer and see right away. ” But none of the users twists, but looks at the finished result whole.
      Of course, the pros will remain and amateur photographers will remain, just the world is changing. Commentators here express common sense and that’s good

      • Onotole

        Well, at least a couple of examples would lead chtoli, Arkady. To illustrate, let’s say, the inconsistency of the average pro and his average DSLR versus the average smartphone.

  • Boris

    It's good that they still order albums in schools! Moreover, on the set, children simultaneously take pictures of themselves on phones;)

    IMHO, as long as there is a print request, there will be work and the need for prof. technique. And if you don’t print your works, then yes, a phone is enough

  • Paul

    No need to panic. It is necessary to fix ESO on EOS at the beginning of the article. Optics will be deceived in 7-10 years. In the meantime, you can use DSLRs

    • Arkady Shapoval

      Fixed

  • Denis

    I only saw a photo from the phone where it blurred the background
    laughed at the result
    everything is in order with the person being photographed. and in the background was another man whose smart automation smeared only his face. the clothes were unchanged. that is, the uniformity of color played a cruel joke. as a result, in the background there’s just some fragmentary daub

  • Pokemon

    I remember catching myself wondering recently how two people unfamiliar with me in a conversation would defend that what for now these huge DSLRs are needed, when phones are removed “no worse” (c).
    One has an Iphone X, another person has an 8th like an iPhone.
    And I remember their sincere surprise when one of them was surprised that I was eyeing something from the cameras (it was Nikon full-frame).
    People are willing to pay and often (not once a year, as before the collapse of the ruble, but once every 1 years) change smartphones.
    Yes, over the past 5 years, cameras in smartphones priced at $ 300-450 have noticeably grown prettier and videos are shot really well.
    When I offered to go and click Arbat Street at dusk, I went to any of my cameras and lenses at my discretion, and they went to their iPhones, and then we’ll see the result in full screen, on the monitor, both somehow backed up.
    And everything is simple - often people now have a full-fledged PC with a large monitor, a maximum of 13-15 ”laptop and a tablet.
    Therefore, they will not see the difference, because they do not need it, and there is nowhere / nothing to look at.
    We took a picture on an iPhone and immediately pulled it into instagram or Facebook / VKontakte and voila.

    • Pokemon

      I remember taking a photo at one of the auto exhibitions and one of the model girls asked for my instagram, maybe I took a little of it for myself. How surprised she was that I didn't have it. In principle, NO, and probably won't. Tk shoot in full frame, and then upload the photo to Instagram, where it shrinks ... Nafig nafig.

      • Denis

        when WhatsApp came out I thought it wouldn’t take off. that it will be very difficult for people to use programs on the phone, because they and the computer for the most part cannot master. but I was wrong. and when he was already practically at everyone, I had to put it on myself. it's been six months now

  • ILYAs

    EVERYTHING GO TO THE PENTZVAL! SO TILL THE PHONE IS NOT ABLE)))))

  • Igor

    Can photographers reduce their appetites?
    Understand that there have always been few photographers with multi-income income, and all the rest are the level of ateliers in the household.
    And then the photo will become creativity.

    And then many want to click the shutter and immediately go to Thailand.

    • Michael

      Strongly can not be reduced, I also want to eat. So just one will remain, and the rest will be retrained or become amateurs

  • Novel

    Today I looked at reviews of photos from Xiaomi Mi8, and I couldn’t really be able to tell by street photos taken on a sunny day whether they were shot on a full-frame Canon with glass costing a carcass, or on a phone.
    Otherwise, cameras have an advantage, of course, because there is a high-quality optical zoom, a natural optical background that cameras have not yet learned to draw (here the differences are still visible).
    But, I think, 10-15 years will pass, and the same curiosities enthusiasts will run with the same curiosities lovers as with the Helios now, and smartphones will be able to draw anything with the press of a button.
    This is technology ..

    • Novel

      * did not learn how to draw smartphone cameras :)

  • Eugene

    All the same, a photo from smartphones does not even reach the beauty of a photo of not very expensive cameras. Because the software method and “4 cameras” will not give the “lamp-like” pattern that normal optics gives.
    I am engaged in photography for pleasure and the tightening of the market for photo services is not scary to me. And about the market for photo services, gadget owners probably still will not be able to supplant photographers with photo cameras. Unless mirrors come to replace the SLR. Well this is for top orders.

    • Novel

      I think it will eventually reach it, and that time will come very soon. Another thing is that enthusiasts who in their souls will look for this lamp-like quality, incl. in the process itself, conjuring over the picture, calculating the settings, external factors will not go anywhere :)

    • Igor

      UPC is just a form and execution. Technologies have come to the photography industry completely different and it will not be difficult to make an UPC at the level of Nikon D850 or Canon 5Dm4.
      Today, manufacturers of the BZK make a chip and make money.
      Gradually, the CZK will give way to the BZK, this is already clear to everyone. But it is gradual.

  • anonym

    What are you talking about? About photography as an art, or where to go when you are not needed?
    Everyone knows the words and can even make sentences out of them, but few can do it in such a way that they remain relevant even after centuries.
    But what if you prohibit taking photos with smart mi in registry offices and in restaurants at the legislative level?
    Or maybe to the origins? To the film ...
    I doubt very much that after decades someone, looking at a photo from a “soap dish”, will sigh and say: Yes, how much volume, oh this warm digital noise ... And what colors are unreal! And he will climb on Avito, look for a 10 megapixel digital camera.

    • Arkady Shapoval

      If the question is for me, then I’m talking about what is described in the article: in the printed version of the 20 * 30 CZK entry-level it’s almost impossible to distinguish from a smartphone in certain shooting conditions. And also about the trends that this phenomenon partially generates.

  • Sergey

    Let me insert your “5 kopecks” into the conversation. I photograph for myself. There was not a bad "soap box", like everything I liked. But then I wanted something more and bought not a cool "DSLR". I repeat that I shoot only for my own pleasure. And this is really interesting to me, addictive, I rest with it. And on a smartphone, I probably would not be able to frame the frame, select the angle, but would simply fix something without a creative approach.

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