Lack of lever EE for reading the extreme position of the diaphragm ring
У Nikon D40 selected compatibility with AF-type optics (optics with support for automatic focusing, but with no built-in focus motor). With such lenses Nikon D40 and all subsequent cameras that do not have a focus motor can only operate in manual focus mode. At the same time, all other important functions are preserved, one of them is measuring exposure.
У D3400 removed compatibility with type optics Non-g (any lenses with a diaphragm control ring), namely, the camera was cut out lever EE, to read the end position of the diaphragm ring. Now with any lenses having an aperture control ring (Non-g type of lenses, in particular lenses AF, AF D, AF-S D, AF-I D) will have to work as with manual ones - not only manually focus, but also manually set the shutter speed, aperture and ISO.
What does this ultimately give? Often users of low-cost Nikon SLR cameras could buy cheap Nikon 50mm 1: 1.8D AF Nikkor (or any other inexpensive NON-G lens) and lose only auto focus, now with Nikon D3400 will be lost and auto metering exposure. Working with such lenses will become not only without automatic focusing, but also with manual exposure control.
And the most annoying thing is that Nikon D3400 will no longer automatically focus even with some AF-S lenses, which have a built-in focus motor, but at the same time there is a diaphragm control ring. Of course, there are very few such lenses (I know only 16 pieces), but nevertheless, the integrity of the system is again slightly violated.
C Nikon D3400 и с D3500 will not work even lenses with built-in focus motor:
- Nikon ED AF S Nikkor 17-35mm 1: 2.8D SWM IF Aspherical
- Nikon ED AF S Nikkor 28-70mm 1: 2.8D SWM
- Nikon ED AF S Nikkor 80-200mm 1: 2.8D Silent wave motor
- Nikon ED AF S Nikkor 300mm 1: 4D
- Nikon ED AF-I Nikkor 300mm 1: 2.8D
- Nikon ED AF S Nikkor 300mm 1: 2.8D
- Nikon ED AF S Nikkor 300mm 1: 2.8D II
- Nikon ED AF-I Nikkor 400mm 1: 2.8D
- Nikon ED AF S Nikkor 400mm 1: 2.8D [black / silver]
- Nikon ED AF S Nikkor 400mm 1: 2.8D II
- Nikon ED AF-I Nikkor 500mm 1: 4D
- Nikon ED AF S Nikkor 500mm 1: 4D
- Nikon ED AF S Nikkor 500mm 1: 4D II
- Nikon ED AF-I Nikkor 600mm 1: 4D
- Nikon ED AF S Nikkor 600mm 1: 4D
- Nikon ED AF S Nikkor 600mm 1: 4D II
Find Nikon lens compatibility information in my article. here.
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I just started to get involved in photography .. I read and looked at a bunch of guides on YouTube, I especially liked Radozhiva and Christopher Frost with his lens tests. And as a result, I bought a Sony A5000 bzk ... I don't have to work with artificial lighting yet. For other purposes, a reflector is enough (I bought it for 600 rubles) and light from the window. So far, only 3 photos and with a whale 18-50 3,5-5,6 bokeh, of course, you can't get it, but it is decided either by a distant background (for example, on a balcony or in a park) or a picture from a window against a white wall, which is then converted into any shade. At the same time, the quality of the photo is very))) why Sony? because there is everything ... you can give your wife a hand by turning on the super auto mode and let him go and take off matinees and the first call as he wants. And have fun with portraits and interior photography (realtor) .. there is a tripod. Management is completely on a hundred square meters so as not to touch the camera. HDR and voila, clients are ready. Yes, I confess at first I read a lot about DSLRs BUT. for any fan, versatility is needed, but here the whales are almost the same for everyone, especially for the crops. But the ability to autofocus on the eye for a novice portraitist should not be underestimated plus live view, especially in terms of focus when everything is in red and exposure with white balance. So I think now to buy a6300 or a6000 right away (there is always no af in the eye, only for personnel), while the native 50mm 1.8 under the crop give a good result and there is a shoe. And DSLRs, including Nikon and Canon, will buy ... those who do not watch guides at all, or at least reviews on YouTube. Well, I came here to look, all of a sudden, it's better to take a DSLR ... I looked at the prices, in principle, the same prices in the same segment, while Sonya's amateur bzk have much more convenience for the user, while with the whale they are really compact (I throw the lightest tripod into my portfolio with charging I carry it as necessary). Well, maybe amateur DSLRs are better on glass? and here's an article))) and I was already seriously looking at Chinese manual or Japanese glasses for my Sonya. In general, the opinion of a beginner .. Why a DSLR if there is a sony bzk that can, due to picking and zooming in focus mode, shoot and manual ones that have become popular again due to the low price? while the quality of the portraits is quite good
This is a common question “autofocus or manual”. In the beginning, the photo path is a manual "and so it will do", but later you start to lean towards autofocus more and more. For me personally, shooting on the a6000-a6500 is a torment in hell, I'd rather shoot a wedding at d40 than try to work on these models for a minute. But, this is my personal opinion, I have my own tasks, I need adequate buttons in their places and laconic control. Other users, on the other hand, love a million little programmable buttons, a thousand indicators in EVF. Different needs - different methods of solving them.
I agree) I meant just an amateur photo. There is no need to beat like a machine gun ... The spouse will not run away and will silently endure an hour of bullying until I find an angle and a good shot)) and of course if I really set myself the goal of making photography, then I will buy either a full frame, again, Sony a7p2, or if there is not enough money a6500 or its successor. But as for an amateur, a beginner, or just “to have it”, the Sony captivates with its size ... even in the wife's purse it will go crazy)) they certainly have the RX100 series, but ... it's not that expensive and the lens cannot be changed. So, dormouse crops starting with a6000 are the most ideal .. On my a5000, the absence of a drum for changing shooting modes is not at all critical ... either reportage (matinees, gatherings) just in super-auto mode with a Jepeg, or if you need to shoot a portrait or client's apartment, then just rearrange it once on aperture priority and that's it. I have already set up the buttons for myself. So far, to be honest, I do not understand the criticism regarding the lack of the ability to switch the shooting modes for many bzk. On older models of crop sony they are, but on the a5000 it is not necessary to say that you need to get into the menu (it takes me 5 seconds maximum) for half an hour.
As an amateur I will say. I won't trade a DSLR for anything. While on excursions the owners of smartphones, compacts and mirrorless cameras enjoy screens with a bunch of buttons, I’ll run around all the doorways and nooks within the radius of audibility of the radio guide and take a bunch of pictures of places that they haven’t even seen. Although I carry a compact with me myself, it is for a reserve - so that my wife can take a picture of me, or when there is no time to change a shirik-telephoto camera on the DSLR. So far, no one has such efficiency as a DSLR.
And you with your mirrorless on vacation, drive to interesting places, immediately feel all the real delights of the BZK. Yes, do not forget to take the batteries with you, yes, more, more, because in really interesting places, charging batteries usually does not work.
And the compactness is ridiculous, given that it always depends on the optics, and even the same lens (and even from Sigma, for example) in the version for the UPC will be larger, just by about the amount by which the UPC is larger than the CZK. see for yourself.
The next moment is about compactness - while with a fifty dollar bill and a whale, you cannot understand this, you will get more or less decent glass (which are all, with rare exceptions, overall and weigh, because physics), and your paradigm will quickly change. Although ... if you do not move away from the windowsill - then no.
As for the topic “manuals are cool, cheap, and for my wife I don’t need more”, then I can say, for example, that I only remove a light bulb from a tripod. This means that I do not need not only autofocus, but also peaking, and white balance, and exposure, and even a viewfinder. What for? The light bulb will not run away anywhere and always shines the same. It's just that sooner or later you will still get tired of shooting your wife against the background of a white wall, and you will want to shoot, I don’t know, some children, or someone else’s wife, who is not doing so well with assiduity, at this moment you will very much want autofocus or want to finish filming immediately. And autofocus, but with decent quality for the UPC, is $$. No, not so - $$$$$, that would be more correct.
Resume - firstly, your post is offtopic, and secondly - there is no need to treat for UPC here, there are people with mustaches themselves, and thirdly, I will put it practically in your own words: UPC will buy ... those who only watch guides and reviews in YouTube, but did not try to shoot anything.
Well said. Although someone thinks soberly about the BZK in our realities, I’m really glad, because it seems that everyone is crazy about the BZK.
2 Onotole:
Be simpler and look at life wider.
On vacation, a normal person will not take a set of 24-70 / 2.8 and 70-200 / 2.8. Just because it’s expensive and similar glasses will cost both Canon and Nikon and Pentax and Sony equally unpleasantly.
As for the batteries - I have a Sigma SD1 on the foveon. She eats like a BZK. And this is considered the norm. Two branded almost new batteries are enough for 350-400 frames in the warm season and at most 300 - in the winter. Two batteries at once.
What about the price - let's say I'm a man in the street and went to the Moscow time shop with the name of the player and what do I see there? The cheapest camera with an FF matrix is A7 and even a whale lens - it's the same.
And it costs how much used 5DMK2 or D700 / D600-D610.
Whoever has more money for a thousand euros in the same place, can take the old one like a mammoth 6D or paying a penny a modern A7 M2. And having paid 1340 $$ there you can buy D610.
As for me, an amateur, now it’s better to take this Sonya and adapters from aliexpress for anything, than old dinosaurs at over-price prices.
If anything, I myself am the owner of FF Nikon DSLRs and Sigma SD1.
NEW DSLRs are now somehow worth a lot ... and what to buy, let him decide for himself.
Holivar is useless.
Well, I will definitely take 70-300 on vacation, so hello compactness. And I don't really understand what to keep this soap dish with a more or less large lens. Yes, and Sony's lenses stand like a cast-iron bridge, but there are no sigma tampons there ... Caesar - cesarean
No, 300-400 shots on two batteries is not normal, and no broad outlook on life will change this fact. 2000-3000 shots on ONE battery is another matter.
Where did I write about 24-70 and 80-200 on vacation? And since you mentioned them, the ergonomics of the a5000 are simply not adapted for comfortable work with these lenses.
And no, optics from different manufacturers do not cost the same: 70-200 / 2.8 from Kenon cost $ 1100 and $ 1700 (depending on the version), from Nikon - $ 2200 and $ 2500? from Sony - $ 3000. Yes, even a fucking 70-300 / 4,5-5,6 class dark zoom for Nikon costs $ 600, for Aunt Sonya - $ 1700? there is a difference?
6D - ancient and what, he started to shoot worse from this? If we are guided by this principle “the cheapest FF in the world and don't care about details”, then I can say that the cheapest real jeep (with a frame, a razdatka and bridges) is an UAZ. And that the owner of some Land Cruiser is now pulling out all his hair with envy? Victims of marketers who are not able to think with their own head (and not look at the reviews paid by the manufacturer) are queuing up for the UPC.
If you are a real layman - you cannot distinguish a picture with FF and some 4/3, or even an inch soap dish, well, why did you give up a full frame?
Holyvar is useless, yes, but Daulet started it, and you (and I, too, what is already there) - continue it.
For the sake of interest, I handed over several photos from the Canon D30 (which is 3 MP, 2000) in 30 * 45 cm format to print, I’ll show my friends if they can distinguish this old camera from their 5DMK3, D800E, D4 (I hope they don’t sit and do not read all the comments on Radozhivka).
I am sure that no, especially since the picture (well, other things being equal and not super-complex conditions) is affected much more by the lens than the camera.
come on nikon goodbye
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Well, the fact that the bzk are beginning to displace the DSLRs about it only the lazy did not write or did not shoot the video. At the same time, modern youth are turned to versatility and compactness again ... well, what thread of an amateur-level SLR looks more impressive than the same Sony alpha, at least in size) while the Sony's optics park is also increased due to the old manual ones (the adapter allows using manuals on autofocus, it's a pity that so far, only on cameras of the older series, but the trouble is the beginning) and third-party manufacturers ... even made a Noctulus for E mount. And this is against the background of the lack of a clear answer from Nikon in the same segment, and Arkady has already painted a new amateur-level DSLR so that even Nikonists agree that it is a “disaster”. Maybe Nikon just gave up? Well, in reality, marketing and advertising decide for the mass consumer ... the same 4k video on a6300, eye autofocus, shooting speed ... well, about the fact that this bzk will not be able to take 100500 photos on one charge ... but is it necessary? to an amateur who buys a “camera” for the house or just starts to take pictures of his girlfriend, a flower in a flower bed, street photography? ... Yes, of course, sooner or later if a person wants to become a pro, he will have to buy a full frame. And then what about Sonya, what about Nikon, what about the rest ... the crop lenses on the ff carcass are not ice. But Sony is captivating in size, the features in the picture here somewhere and wrote that the matrices are almost the same for everyone ... talking about the high art and color rendering of a particular matrix in the amateur segment is not necessary, especially if a person shoots in RAW. Well, as if to each his own .. You will not believe I really sat and read almost the entire site about everything, starting with what a camera is and where are the buttons ... Thanks to Arkady. And despite his love for Nikon and wonderful articles and prices for Sony lenses, I generally chose Sony. He and the whale fit in a purse, it can be the same as the rest of the larger ones, it costs the same ... conclusion? If there is no difference, why pay more? (watering can, olympus, RX100) and why carry the overall weight as well?) like this ... And thanks to Arkady, it was his articles that made me reconsider my attitude to the fotik ... I shot it first on the canon from the belly on the car and along the wall))) then I realized that it wouldn’t work, and in general we needed a tripod ... fortunately, a small aluminum was lying around from the old camera of 2001. Then I realized that I had to take a new fotik because the one who borrowed the fortune was completely dead, and he was big, and he was not going to walk with a briefcase and still a camera, because everyone was looking around. Well, I came to Sony A5000
I’m NOT a wedding photographer and I don’t really like this genre of photography at all, but you just try to shoot someone else’s wedding and you’ll immediately understand why at all Sonya’s weddings with auto focus in their hands, only videographers and guests regularly read guides.
I agree that wedding photography is a genre that reveals all the possibilities of photography, as well as all the possibilities of a photographer. Only this Saturday 17 hours behind the camera, more precisely, behind the cameras. It is a divine pleasure to work with Nikon-kenon, to work with a bzk from Sonya (possibly, with the exception of a9) is torment.
And how many frames per day of shooting?
Confirmed, by the way, by my attempt too. I tried to report patichki a couple of times in clubs on fuji xe1. So, in such conditions, it does not work from the word at all, especially autofocus. And complete with hellish brakes and curve control - fucking hell, one focus point selection through the inclusion of a focus point selection mode with a separate button is worth something. As a result, I missed all the interesting moments. But you look like a bresson with her, the image is everything. So I still keep the old nikon for such purposes. Fuji is good for leisurely walks, landscapes and portraits, where you can afford to adjust the parameters for a minute.
E1 was a breakdown of the pen at Fuji, it was not designed for such tasks.
I bought this camera a month after the presentation in Kiev, I still like its color in the same way I like the color of ghouls, but of course it’s not very management and convenient. Starting from E2, the Fuji apparently changed the processing algorithm for the sake of working at high ISOs and the color became different, unpleasant
And what, everyone buys a camera exclusively for shooting weddings? There are no people who never take off weddings, but take off for their pleasure 20-30 frames per walk?
Yes, but convenience issues are not alien to these people either.
It’s not that everyone needs to rent weddings. The fact is that some tend to claim that the best camera is the one that cannot capture a wedding.
And so, of course, for the majority of the people for the eyes of a smartphone or at worst - soap dishes.
Well, for those who say so, some other criteria are apparently important and they are quite right in considering that the best camera is exactly that, it all depends on the tasks. And again, to whom and what for the eyes, this is a personal affair of everyone and this is not inferiority.
It's me that everyone is the best thing that suits him, whether it is a soap box, a smartphone or a sophisticated digital Hassel of the latest model)
Where did you read the word inferiority in my comment? Or at least a hint of it?
Something tells me that you really think so, maybe somewhere on a subconscious level, but still. Otherwise, where could it come from?
And since you think that “everyone has his own” (just like in fascist Germany, hehehe), then write the same comment to the user of Dualet, because he writes that you don't need to buy a CPC, and the meaning is clear not he personally does not need, but generally nobody needs it.
I did not refer to this word in your comment, I just used it in my own context, do not take everything as referring to your words, it is not so. For some strange reason, after reading the answer to your comment, you immediately turn on the mode “they are running over me, you need to change!”
Well, the man wrote that for him, the UPC is better than a DSLR and what? You have a different opinion, well, smart girl, you have every right to it, regardless of where it is taken, here or in Nazi Germany;)
I have no particular love for Nikon or other producers. If I cultivate a love for something in myself, then this is clearly not photographic equipment.
On my own I will say quite strictly, without at least 300.000 shots to talk about systems is complete amateurism. Even I approach this topic very carefully and I do not have a single answer which system is suitable for a person, or which factor (UPC or ZK). There is no single answer. My practice still shows that so far, for many tasks, the ZK is preferable, the main factors are cost, availability, mass character and, little obvious, the information base accumulated over the years (try to find intelligible information, for example, about high-speed synchronization with the UPC).
Regarding not getting into the discussion without experience and agree and disagree ... That person does not have a familiar photographer ... so what? so in fact a million opinions that in YouTube what is here ... the only way is dialogue. Regarding the intelligible information on the bzk, especially on Sony, I agree. The information segment on the ru is zero. But I am fluent in English and have been looking for information for a long time, as they say, first-hand .. Yes, not everyone gets along, but over time, after at least some part of the photographers switch to sleepyheads, the situation may change. The only way to find out something that is not described in the article is to ask a question and start a dialogue). Arkady didn’t want to offend you. Sincerely.
Yes, everything is fine. We all perfectly understand that gaining experience is, in every sense, a difficult task. If you have any comments regarding my statements - write.
I read almost all the articles on Canon and Nikon DSLRs and at the end there was a feeling that everything was squeezed out of the DSLRs in terms of technical innovations ... well, that that can be significantly improved besides the size of the matrix? Whereas the bzk have just started their journey and the situation somehow reminds me of the transition from film to digital ... I read a lot, and the absence of a mirror in many ways already gives an advantage, but at least the same electronic shutter, exposure metering, focus, 5-axis stabilization and all the rest so by the end of the year I am already switching to full frame. I have already dug up a little. And of course there is still a choice between a DSLR and a bzk. Yes, a DSLR in the CIS conditions is understood as a bunch of information and used optics. But on the other hand, there is ibey, aliexpress. And yes, at first, too, I thought that Sony had few lenses, but after looking at a lot of information on the ANL, I came to the conclusion that it was enough. Moreover, many third-party manufacturers now produce optics for Sony by default. Well, I don't want to make a mistake with the choice, so I constantly read your blog, although there is very little about dormouse.
“I read almost all the articles on Canon and Nikon DSLRs…” - here it is not necessary to read, but to shoot, and - quite a lot and in different (including difficult) conditions, as they wrote to you. By and large, the UPC is for those whose eyes are raised by advertising photographs in gloss and smartphones.
They said the same thing when switching to digital. I'm talking about the prospects of systems.
The mirror is not a hindrance to your advantages. But is it necessary? This is akin to the last megapixel race. But looking through the same Ebey and Ali, I see a bunch of proposals for all sorts of handles, stops and mounts for the UPC. Compactness and ergonomics cannot always be combined. This race will end, a part of the UPC will also become the size of the ZK, they will throw off the extra “show-off”, and add controls from the ZK. Each system will have its own niche. How many do not say that smartphones have killed compacts, but they are still far from them in quality and convenience. And it is unlikely that they will catch up - physics has not yet been canceled. Just fashion and unwillingness to wear another device.
As for the size - the ZK can be made smaller - but is it necessary? The D3200 is small for me, although it is much larger than your UPC. And I use it all the time with the battery pack - it's more convenient that way. Lightness is the reason for adding stabilizer degrees. Inertia also cannot be canceled - a light camera is more susceptible to movement even from pressing the trigger. Shoot more, especially on the go and without the freedom of time - change your mind.
Here, indeed, the case is not in the presence / absence of a mirror. The new SLR cameras are also largely aimed at those who want to have "pictures like in a magazine." It's just that BZK, as a hipster genre, has these tendencies more pronounced.
Albeit not on the topic of the article, but I will also bring in my “5 kopecks” about the BZK and CZK. I use both.
Advantages of the BZK in relation to the TsZK:
- Compactness (naked, without body kits);
- Theoretically, a larger camera resource (why theoretically? Read on).
That's all. I don’t think weight as a plus, because lightness adds movement.
Cons of BZK in comparison with TsZK:
- Constantly dusty matrix with frequent change of optics;
- The impossibility of changing the focusing screens due to the lack of those. And what is the point for me to hang an old industrial on the BZK, if I will not be able to visit the object along the Doden wedges?)) The whole idea of retro photography is lost.
- Much slower autofocus (whatever one may say, the AF phase sensors through the OVI will ALWAYS work faster than the AF, which constantly requires the active participation of the processor, well, only if the quantum is not crammed there!)))
- Less comfortable grip, and sometimes not at all comfortable, if you take the amateur series of BZK from Aunt Sonya (well, perhaps, except for the A3000 / 3500, this toy has a more or less good grip).
- Not very reliable electronics at Aunt Sonya's UPC;
- Poor weight distribution. If you put high-quality glass and metal optics on the UPC, then the total weight will not be very inferior to the DSLR, but the balance will be shifted strongly towards the lens, which is very inconvenient when shooting (try to hold such a bundle with one hand by itself carcass).
- Imaginary compactness, if we want to take the UPC for serious shooting. A heavy lens, body kits, a flash or a synchronizer - and now our UPC catches up with a DSLR in weight, and sometimes it can overtake it.
- Fewer shots per charge.
- Impossibility of high-quality reportage shooting. Do you think why some photographers who use Sonya's “top” at weddings bomb a series of 100500 frames to capture what seems to be one action? Yes, because at least a few of the shots taken did not turn out to be soap, and AF hit the target. Not on a single serious reportage (especially on shooting sports), you will not meet a photographer from the BZK, and if you yourself come with one, other photographers will sarcastically laugh at you and consider you a dude :))
The absence of a bounce mirror at the BZK and the presence of an electronic or hybrid shutter curtain should, like, lead to more camera resources in general. But in practice, the resource of the BZK is less due to the greater wear of the matrix itself (and you know, repairing the mirror is much cheaper, the mechanics are very simple there, and the shutter repair is not so expensive) and less reliable electronics (at least when comparing the electronics BZK aunt Sony and DSLR Nikon / Canon)
Anyway, any DSLR can easily turn into a BZK in live view mode.
The result is as follows:
Personally, I take the BZK for leisurely walks around the city, when there really is time to tune in and shoot something more or less static, but even then sometimes I complain that I was too lazy to put a DSLR in my bag, because You can't take off a pigeon flying by you swiftly at the BZK. Sometimes I use the UPC for the subject, it is good at that, I don't even have to put a tripod. For everything else, only DSLRs, even for travel photos, I do not like to select frames "in soap", especially when this "soap" was supposed to be a masterpiece :))
and in order to move away from the windowsill, it is enough to buy a high-aperture fifty kopecks ... and I dare to assume that things are the same on amateur DSLRs). Well, Sony has a decent choice here, from the Chinese and Japanese manuals to Zeiss full-frame ones (with an eye to the future). Well, if I completely advance in my love of photography, then I will buy a constant light from a Chinese softbox for 4k rubles. The reflector is already there. Moreover, I do not pretend to sell my photos for the cover of Vogue). And there are photographers who work almost exclusively with natural light.
I have already said - go with your propaganda to another place. It will be very difficult to argue with you in an argumented way, because you simply ignore the arguments you dislike, and besides, the text clearly shows that you have read a lot, but at the same time you have no practical idea as such, to put it more bluntly (do not consider for an insult, please) - then you are still a complete zero in photography.
If you want an answer, then in short, I can dispute almost every line in your posts. Yes, and you, if you are more or less actively engaged in photography (just not at home to photograph your wife on a chair) and do not give up, in a year or two, you yourself will understand where and how wrong you were.
Well, I did not apply for the title of master initially. Moreover, we are talking here about the amateur segment). I'm an amateur. To jump to conclusions about a person is also not good. Well, absolutely in all seriousness to declare, and even with aplomb, that someone has nothing to do here, and no one can call you anyway, this is like an insult. The fact that you are zero in the culture of communication have already understood. Challenge for this and came). If Nikon will release it, at least the level of 6300 and a little cheaper, I will be the first to come here to sing praises and buy it. Well, or even better, a full frame. According to the arguments and from you well-grounded criticism, in addition to frenzied hatred of the class enemy, and the degree of indignation suggests that you are writing comments clearly under the song "Get up, huge country ...". Who's the fool?
You distort, I did not draw conclusions about your personality, I made conclusions about your experience in photography and I do not consider an indication of fact as an insult.
Degree of indignation ?? Frenzied hatred ??? Do you consider yourself a psychic who can identify emotions at a distance? It's funny, by God, just like in that joke about "NO BEER". The truth is that I wrote to you absolutely without any negative absolutely everything, except for the line in which I demand to stop imposing inappropriate my purely subjective point of view, and even, quite obviously, based not on personal experience, but on reading advertising materials.
I am also far from professionally engaged in photography, and by and large I do not care about brands. Reasonable criticism was above, and in this post you will find it if you want to see it. Another question is that you basically do not want to notice anything that contradicts your internal attitudes. that is why I consider a reasoned discussion with you pointless. Well, where is the insult?
Your position is strange :(
If a person likes the BZK and he considers it appropriate to convey his arguments in its favor, then this is "propaganda" for you. If you are delivering your arguments for DSLRs, is this not “propaganda”?
As I wrote above, everyone is the best that he is the best and most convenient. Moreover, over time, priorities can change and this is also normal!
Yes, I have a normal position. Well, a man would have voiced his experience on the basis of the long-term exploitation of the BZK and the TsZK, because he did not have a SLR, but on the BZK he himself shot 3 (three, ska) photographs. Only read reviews. Are you really interested in his opinion and even in such a practically incoherent design? Especially on this resource and in this thread about the D3400?
And the last thing - do you yourself agree with the so-called arguments given by him?
I have both a SLR and a BZK. My opinion is for today, it’s more convenient for me to use Sony A7S BZK + several manual lenses, the SLR is not convenient for me
The topic of canceling the compatibility of the D3400 with lenses with an aperture ring has degenerated into srach DSLRs versus mirrorless cameras. And the topic is that Nikon makes it impossible in the amateur crop segment to use a large fleet of old (by no means always bad) lenses. And okay, 3400 are the lot of most of which are to lie with a whale, but 7500 is no longer a nail, but a crutch hammered into the park of old lenses. Who will use them? Professional? No, it will work for a modern one. The amateur is offered to fork out for f.f. or new lenses. The reason is clear - stop buying cheap carcasses and screwing old lenses onto them, this is very harmful to financial indicators. Nikon is not as radical as the canon, but buries the park of old glasses, because it slows down the sale of new ones in the amateur segment (they didn't understand with a screwdriver, so let's remove the lever). The next step is to replace the bayonet in the bzk.
And Nikon D7500, what is wrong with compatibility? The loss of a rheostat is not such a disaster, given that the d7000-7100-7200-7500 series came from the d70-d80-d90 (i.e., the d7000 is the direct descendant of the d90), they just returned to the roots about the rheostat.
Like what? Manuals in out.
With the success as the D7500 is being discussed on these Internet sites, they will soon begin to say that it cannot shoot at all.
And usually they say those who really did not hold it in their hands.
And this is especially chewed on the open spaces of the former USSR.
People are too lazy to read balanced reviews of fairly authoritative comrades
http://www.dslrbodies.com/cameras/current-nikon-dslr-reviews/nikon-d7500-camera-review.html
or DPReview
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d7500-review-speed-and-capability
who, by the way, chose her as the best purchase up to $ 1500
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/buying-guide-best-cameras-under-1500
But on the other hand, everyone considers it their right to shout that Nikon did not deliver something and now he will bend.
There is an active marketing war going on for market share. Obviously, Nikon is draining it, Canon is afloat, Sony is on horseback.
At the same time, each company makes chic products that are better than previous generations.
Because of this war, there is delirium in people's heads. Either they missed features, or the matrix is not as fashionable as that of a neighbor, or there is not enough focusing on the eye, then the mirror suddenly began to interfere with the masterpiece, or something else.
In my opinion, the D7500 is better than the predecessors of its series in almost everything that is important for the amateur.
Even the biggest loss - the second slot - is controversial. Of course, it's good to have one. So it is not found in most of the analogues for the same price. And many are still successfully filming with cameras with one slot (for example, in Sony's BZK, the second slot appeared only last year and nothing, everyone is alive).
Arkady, I think, shot millions of photos on cameras with one slot, many of which did not have a rheostat, by his example photographs and articles showing that the brand and modernity of the camera is far from the most important detail of the photographer.
Taking this opportunity, Arkady, thank you very much for the site, for sobriety of thought and for your work!
Yes, so, even this weekend, for the sake of a creative experiment, I shot about a thousand frames on d40 at a wedding (it was boring, dabbled on d40 and 100/2) and nothing.
But still it’s a shame when the line loses its functional details, which is why, in fact, I published this note.
For me personally, the biggest drawback in the d7500 is the lack of a battery grip, which, even with long-term shooting, really affects the comfort of shooting. And the d7500 itself is very pretty because of the matrix from d500, the best option from Nikon's crop for the amateur and advanced amateur segment. I am more than sure that a huge number of owners of this camera will not be able to use even 5% of the possibilities inherent in it. And if bad photos are obtained on the d7500, then users, of course, will blame the absence of a rheostat or a second card, or ...
Dear namesake, did you see in my statement a negative assessment of 7500? She is not there, the 7500 is a good camera, better than the predecessors of the 7th series. And Nikon will not bend, because it pursues a competent policy to increase sales, and we will help him in this by buying new carcasses and lenses. Read carefully, talking about old glasses, marketing and grandmas.
All the manuals, because of which you are worried, are old, which means, firstly, they were calculated on film with its low resolution, and secondly, they were made under a full frame.
This means that for the same lover of manuals you are talking about, it even makes sense to go broke on FF. But clinging them to multi-megapixel crop is just the same unjustified. So Nikon does everything right.
And in general - there is, in the end, BZK and Aliexpress with prekhodniki "for whatever". You can buy a cheap Sony and enjoy eye-focusing. And sometimes even, with the right adapter, and real autofocus on manual glasses.
That's right, only on amateur crop they do not cling to from a good life.
And it doesn't make her any better ...
I completely agree with this, but if it really does press on the money, a new crop from the store is still not the most reasonable choice.
If you want to shoot with old manuals, the right choice is FF with a bold pixel. Already at FFs with a small pixel, many of these lenses noticeably sag in terms of picture quality. And nothing to say about the crop with a small pixel plus manuals - money down the drain. With a minimum of practical experience, this alignment becomes clear quickly enough.
And it's not just about sharpness - a special drawing of this or that lens, like any other optical flaws, appears at the edge of the image, and this part is simply cut off in the crop and, as a result, the difference is much less noticeable, that is, in other words, all the charm disappears. and the point is to suffer with the manual, the sacrifices are serious, and there is almost no return.
The simplest example is the same Helios with its famous Twisted Bokeh ™, the largest (and most twisted) part of which you will never see due to the crop.
In order not to go far for examples (you are absolutely right about crop) - the well-known Pancolar MC 50 \ 1.8 and Oreston 50 \ 1.8 differ noticeably in the picture on 5D and 5DMII, and not in favor of the latter.
M - MARKETING. Down with the marketers, get the engineers back. Engineer is the engine of progress and not a calculating machine with glasses and a pinjack !!!
Added about d7500 https://radojuva.com/2018/07/z-mount/
You can pour out your hot tears about the second card and the rheostat there.
It is interesting to look at the disputes of photographers for an amateur engineer. :-)
About 10 years ago, without delving into the cameras of those years, I noticed on some forum that the BZK should not be different from the ZK. He was immediately attacked by experts who fiercely proved the benefits of ZK.
But for a simple engineer and inventor, it is obvious that the absence of unnecessary unnecessary parts in the form of a mirror and everything that serves it simplifies and, therefore, improves the design as a whole. The classics of invention have argued that the ideal device is absent while maintaining its function. There are no mirrors in our eyes ... :-)
Hence, for me, the conclusion is obvious - the ZK can be better in terms of the UPC only due to the restrictions on the part of the manufacturers.
Therefore, the general debate about the benefits of the ZK or BZK is meaningless, in my opinion.
It is already possible and necessary to talk about the merits of specific models.
Technically - it shouldn't, but practically - it is different. Because it is targeted at a different user group. With other, so to speak, ideas about beauty.