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Carl Zeiss Vario-Tessar FE 4 / 24-70 ZA OSS T * (Sony SEL2470Z FE 4 / 24-70 Optical Steady Shot) on the camera Sony a7II
Navigation
- In short
- History
- Main Specifications
- Assembly
- Focusing
- Aperture Features
- Stabilizer
- Image quality
- Sample Photos
- Short video review
- My personal experience with the lens
- Lens prices
- Results
- User Comments
- Add your review or question on the lens
It's important: This lens also exists with a different name written near the front lens – Zeiss Vario-Tessar FE 4/24-70 ZA OSS T*. There is no difference between the 'Zeiss' and 'Carl Zeiss' versions.
In short
The Sony SEL2470Z was introduced in the fall of 2013, along with two cameras, in the new line of Sony ILCE mirrorless full-frame cameras - Sony a7R and Sony a7. This lens is co-developed by Carl Zeiss and Sony. The Sony SEL2470Z bears the 'ZA' lettering on its body, indicating that the lens has passed the highest quality standards set by Carl Zeiss.
The Sony SEL2470Z is a conventional general purpose (standard) zoom lens with a popular range of focal lengths from 24mm to 70mm. The main features of the lens are a constant maximum aperture, an image stabilizer and a rugged body.
To be very short, this is a good lens, but for a lot of money.
Carl Zeiss Vario-Tessar FE 4 / 24-70 ZA OSS T * (Sony SEL2470Z FE 4 / 24-70 Optical Steady Shot)
History
In 2006, Sony and Zeiss became partners in the production of lenses and released the first three joint lenses: Carl Zeiss 85 / 1.4, 135 / 1.8 and 16-80 / 3.5-4.5 for SLR cameras with Sony A / Minolta A mount. In the future, their cooperation continued and resulted in many other decisions.
Below shown list of all Sony ZA lenses:
E (APS-C):
- Carl Zeiss / Zeiss Sonar E 1.8 /24 ZA T* (Sony SEL24F18Z) [2011]
- Carl Zeiss / Zeiss Various-Tessar E 4 /16-70 ZA OSS T* (Sony SEL1670Z) [2013]
FE (Full Frame):
- Zeiss Distagon FE 1.4 /35 ZA T* (Sony SEL35F14Z) [2014]
- Carl Zeiss / Zeiss Sonar FE 2.8 /35 ZA T* (Sony SEL35F28Z) [2013]
- Zeiss planar FE 1.4 /50 ZA T* (Sony SEL50F14Z) [2016]
- Carl Zeiss / Zeiss Sonar FE 1.8 /55 ZA T* (Sony SEL55F18Z) [2013]
- Zeiss Various-Tessar FE 4 /16-35 ZA OSS T* (Sony SEL1635Z) [2014]
- Carl Zeiss / Zeiss Various-Tessar FE 4 /24-70 ZA OSS T* (Sony SEL2470Z) [2013]
A(APS-C):
A (full frame):
- Carl Zeiss Distagon 2/24 ZA T* SSM (Sony SAL24F20Z) [2010]
- Carl Zeiss planar 1.4 /50 ZA T* SSM (Sony SAL50F14Z) [2012]
- Carl Zeiss planar 1.4 /85 ZA T*(Sony SAL85F14Z) [2006]
- Carl Zeiss Sonar 1.8 /135 ZA T* (SAL135F18Z)[2006]
- Carl Zeiss Various-Sonar 2.8 /16-35 ZA T* SSM (Sony SAL1635Z) [2008]
- Zeiss Various-Sonar 2.8 /16-35 ZA SSM II T* (Sony SAL1635Z2) [2015]
- Carl Zeiss Various-Sonar 2.8 /24-70 ZA T* SSM (Sony SAL2470Z) [2008]
- Zeiss Various-Sonar 2.8 /24-70 ZA SSM II T* (Sony SAL2470Z2) [2015]
Main technical characteristics of Carl Zeiss Vario-Tessar FE 4 / 24-70 ZA OSS T * (Sony SEL2470Z FE 4 / 24-70 Optical Steady Shot):
| Review Instance Name | Carl Zeiss Vario-Tessar FE 4 / 24-70 ZA OSS T * (Sony SEL2470Z FE 4 / 24-70 Optical Steady Shot) E-mount 45812491 |
| Basic properties |
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| Front Filter Diameter | 67 mm, metal thread for filters |
| Focal length | 24-70 mm EGF for Sony cameras with APS-C sensor is 36-105 mm |
| Zoom ratio | 2.92 X (usually just talking about XNUMXx zoom) |
| Designed by | for Sony ILCE digital mirrorless cameras |
| Number of aperture blades | 7 rounded petals |
| Tags | focal lengths for 24, 35, 50, 70 mm, bayonet mount mark, fitting and fixing marks for the hood |
| Diaphragm | from F / 4 over the entire range of focal lengths to F / 22. The lens does not have an aperture control ring. |
| MDF (minimum focusing distance) | 0.4 m, maximum magnification ratio 1: 5 |
| The weight | 430 g |
| Optical design | 12 elements in 10 groups. The scheme includes:
The image of the optical circuit is clickable. |
| Lens hood | ALC-SH130 (supplied) |
| Transportation | Using a soft case (supplied) |
| Manufacturer country | Made In Thailand, Fabrique en Thailande (Label printed on the bayonet side) |
| Period | October 16, 2013 |
| Instruction (multilingual) | View–> |
| Price | The real cost of this lens can be seen, for example, here. |
The lens can also be used on Sony Nex cameras ('E' mount and crop factor Kf = 1.5X), while crop factorHis EGF will be equal to 36-105mm.
Carl Zeiss Vario-Tessar FE 4 / 24-70 ZA OSS T * (Sony SEL2470Z FE 4 / 24-70 Optical Steady Shot)
Assembly
Sony SEL2470Z assembled very well. Almost the entire outer part of the lens housing is made of metal. Separately, I want to note that the zoom and focus rings are also made of metal coated with black paint. On the copy from this review, there are several scratches on the zoom ring that expose the silver-white metal from which they are made.
Zoom ring rotates very smoothly, the zoom ring travel is balanced over the entire range of focal lengths. The frame of the body (trunk) spontaneously not put forward and does not move, most likely, even with time this problem is not scary to this lens. Sony SEL2470Z, which was in my review, has already seen quite a few on its life path, but its mechanics have remained in very good condition. The retractable frame of the housing consists of one metal section, there are no backlashes between this section and the lens body. During a change in focal length, the front of the housing, together with the front lens, does not rotate.
When the focal length is changed, the rear lens moves, but the effect of the 'air pump' (better known as'vacuum cleaner effect') is very weak, apparently the lens design provides for some tricks to reduce air blowing.
On the bayonet side, the frame rim forms a 'film hood'- rectangular hole for the light flux. Of course, the bayonet mount is made of metal.
The thread for the filters is metal, with a diameter of 67 mm. It comes with a lens very dense and massive plastic hoodwhich can be installed in the opposite direction for transportation. In this position of 24 mm, access to the focus ring is partially lost. The lens hood is installed in special grooves near the front lens, while changing the focal length the lens hood moves with the retractable frame of the housing.
Also included is a soft leatherette case for comfortable transport of the lens. The inside of the cover has a fabric covering. It's a trifle, but the case is really very nice.
The good news is that the Sony SEL2470Z has dust and moisture protection... I used it without any problems in the drizzling rain, the only thing that worried me was the possibility of water flowing through the retractable frame of the case. Unlike Canon and Nikon rugged lenses, the Sony SEL2470Z does not have an 'O' rubber seal near his mount. Unfortunately, Sony SEL2470Z does not use a water-repellent coating on the front lens, and small drops of water have to be very carefully blown off or wiped with a special cloth.
The lens itself is not very large, but at the same time its dimensions cannot be called 'compact', and the weight of almost half a kilogram immediately makes itself felt.
Like most modern universal (standard) lenses, the Sony SEL2470Z lacks all sorts of labels and switches. Only the focal length values and the lens and hood attachment marks can be found on the body. And it would seem that this is a trifle, but in real shooting conditions such switches are greatly lacking.
Oh yes, these lenses are produced in Thailand, the inscription 'Made in Thailand' is hidden from the side of the mount - that is, when the lens is installed, this inscription is not visible, while it was not placed on the information plate, where all other technical information is indicated (meaning this part of the lens body).
Carl Zeiss Vario-Tessar FE 4 / 24-70 ZA OSS T * (Sony SEL2470Z FE 4 / 24-70 Optical Steady Shot)
Focusing
Sony SEL2470Z uses electronic focus ring. During manual focus, the ring rotates very smoothly and has no boundary values - it can be rotated in one direction or the other as much as necessary. The ring remains stationary during autofocus. Electronic focusing ring, like electronic viewfinder - a big and painful topic. To be very brief, the electronic focusing ring greatly simplifies the design of the lens, great for smooth focusing, but at the same time, the electronic focusing ring consumes energy during manual focusing, and other unpleasant little things may appear.
Due to the fact that on the lens body no focus switch, you can switch to manual focus mode only using the camera menu. You can also set one of the programmable shortcuts to choose the focus method. Camera Sony a7II, on which I used this lens, allows it to work in four focus modes: AF-A, AF-C, DMF and MF.
The lens supports DMF (DDirectly Mannual Focus - direct manual focusing), the only trouble is that the focus ring is listened only if the focus mode is DMF (Pramaya RF) and only when the focus activation button is pressed. In modes AF-A (Single AF) and AF-C (Continuous AF) the lens ignores the rotation of the focus ring and it is not possible to perform fine-tuning or focus compensation. In the future, most likely, any restrictions or inconveniences associated with manual focus control can be resolved by updating the software for the cameras on which it will be used.
Sorry, Sony SEL2470Z devoid of scale focusing distance, depth of field scale and other useful marks. One gets the impression that it's not a Carl Zeiss Vario-Tessar, but a cheap Chinese 'whale' lens.
Auto Focus on Sony SEL2470Z fast, very quiet and internal type. The minimum focusing distance is 40 cm over the entire range of focal lengths, while you can get the maximum magnification for macro shooting equal to 1: 5. On camera Sony a7II the lens focuses accurately, but the tenacity of focus very much depends on the focusing system of the camera, and, in the case of Sony a7IIShe wants the best.
The good news is that the lens is nearly perfect parfocal - it does not knock out focusing when changing the focal length (during my testing, the pre-focus function was turned off).
Carl Zeiss Vario-Tessar FE 4 / 24-70 ZA OSS T * (Sony SEL2470Z FE 4 / 24-70 Optical Steady Shot)
Stabilizer
Sony SEL2470Z FE uses the built-in image stabilizer OSS (Optical Steady Shot).
Unfortunately, the instructions, as well as official sources, do not indicate the effectiveness of the stabilizer in the compensation levels excerpts... Everything that is stated in the instructions regarding the stabilizer is' Shake compensation function
Yes' ('Jitter compensation function - present').
Some people talk about 2-3 stops of compensation. I could not check the effectiveness of the stabilizer, because I could not find it in the camera menu Sony a7II how to simultaneously turn off the matrix stabilizer and turn on the lens stabilizer. In the instructions to Sony a7II I did not find any data at all about using, turning on or off the stabilizer built into the lens (you can see for yourself instructions).
Stabilizer operation
If in the camera menu Sony a7II turn on the SteadyShot function, both the camera stabilizer and the lens stabilizer will work simultaneously. At the same time, the built-in stabilizer in the camera’s matrix compensates for rotational movements (shown in orange) and movements in the horizontal and vertical planes (shown in red), while the stabilizer built into the lens compensates oblique movements (shown in blue). Most likely, such a partition to compensate for certain movements is associated with focusing accuracy, because the slopes of the matrix can affect the focusing accuracy and the depth of field of the generated image.
In conjunction with the on-camera stabilizer, the Sony SEL2470Z FE stabilizer works very well.
Carl Zeiss Vario-Tessar FE 4 / 24-70 ZA OSS T * (Sony SEL2470Z FE 4 / 24-70 Optical Steady Shot)
Diaphragm
Sony SEL2470Z FE can use a maximum 1: 4 relative aperture over the entire range of focal lengths. Aperture can close up to a maximum of F / 22 over the entire range of focal lengths.
Circles in the blur zone at F / 5.6
The lens uses only 7 aperture blades. The petals are rounded, but not as good as we would like. On covered diaphragms, 7 angle nuts in the blur zone are still visible. For a lens of this level, this is unacceptable.
At any value of the focal length, the aperture blades do not completely hide, but remain somewhat covered. Typically, zoom lenses at some focal length value use a hole that is not formed by the petals, but remains perfectly round due to the inner frame of the case. At other focal lengths, the petals may be slightly closed, even if a fully open aperture is used. In this case, the aperture blades should be covered to correctly recalculate the relative aperture when changing the focal length. The behavior of the aperture blades is clearly shown in my video review Sony SEL2470Z.
Carl Zeiss Vario-Tessar FE 4 / 24-70 ZA OSS T * (Sony SEL2470Z FE 4 / 24-70 Optical Steady Shot)
Image quality
The optical scheme was stuffed with a large number of aspherical elements and one low-dispersion element. I would expect very good performance from such an optical design. Note that now 'Tessar' refers more to the lens brand than to the actual optical design. If you remember, initially 'Tessar' had only 4 optical elements in 3 groups.
With image quality the Sony SEL2470Z all is well or, at least, it seems that everything is fine. It seems because on-camera JPEG with Sony a7II Shows a modified picture, which is devoid of some flaws in the image quality of the lens. Some functions that improve image quality can be disabled, some are not disabled. To see the real image quality, you need to dig deeper into RAW files.
In the center of the frame, the lens is expectedly sharp, only 70 mm sharpness sags a little. Also, sharpness sags at open apertures at the edges and corners of the image at 24 mm focal length. In general, on the covered diaphragms of resolution, this lens is quietly enough for any modern multi-megapixel matrix.
What is bad is a strong distortion at 24 mm focal length. But chromatic aberration strongly visible only at the edges of the image at 24 mm, at other focal lengths they are well corrected.
The lens behaves well in backlighting, the amount of glare is negligible. Good resistance to side and backlight while maintaining contrast is not a big problem for modern 'dark' lenses, especially since the Sony SEL2470Z uses legendary optical coating Zeiss T *.
In general, I would call the image quality with Sony SEL2470Z expected for such a lens, but the legendary Carl Zeiss always wants something more.
Carl Zeiss Vario-Tessar FE 4 / 24-70 ZA OSS T * (Sony SEL2470Z FE 4 / 24-70 Optical Steady Shot)
Sample Photos
All photos were taken on a 24 MP Sony Aphs 7 II camera (in EXIF it is marked as ICLE-7M2). In the gallery of photos without processing, such as they turned out in camera JPEG, only the size was reduced to 1600 x 1200 pixels and the data was imprinted EXIF.
Source files in '.JPEG' format can be downloaded at this link (537 MB, 58 files), '.ARW' files can be downloaded at this link (518 MB, 28 files).
Carl Zeiss Vario-Tessar FE 4 / 24-70 ZA OSS T * (Sony SEL2470Z FE 4 / 24-70 Optical Steady Shot)
Video review
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My experience
$ 1200 for a Thai Carl Zeiss with f / 4 and 7 aperture blades, electronic focus ring and no switches? Father Nikon, what are they doing there in the sales department. I have never seen the Sony SEL2470Z positioned as a professional lens, and therefore I still cannot understand where such a huge cost comes from. And yet, I used to think that 'Carl Zeiss' and 'Thailand' are not compatible concepts.
Sony SEL2470Z FE, like other Sony FE lenses, are aimed at strong integration with the camera. First of all, this integration is visible by the electronic focus ring and the absence of the focus distance scale, because the distance scale can now be displayed on the main display of the camera. Also, the lack of switches leads to the fact that the camera menu takes all the burden of controlling the lens. And worst of all, the lens is designed for the camera to programmatically correct a number of its serious flaws, primarily the strong distortion of 24 mm. I am not happy with this situation.
Also, I really did not like the lack of a description of the stabilizer in the instructions for the camera and lens.
The Sony SEL2470Z FE itself is quite good working lensbut it can only be a compromise for the 24-70 / 2.8 'serious lenses'.
For amateur photography, I still recommend staying at a good Sony FE 3.5-5.6 / 28-70 OSS SEL2870which will carry out 80% of the same work as the Sony SEL2470Z, but at the same time you can save a lot of money.
Carl Zeiss Vario-Tessar FE 4 / 24-70 ZA OSS T * (Sony SEL2470Z FE 4 / 24-70 Optical Steady Shot)
Prices
The real cost of this lens can be seen, for example, here.
All Sony FE Lenses and Cameras
Fixes:
- Sony FE 14 mm F / 1.8 GM [April 2021, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 20 mm F / 1.8 G [February 2020, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 24 mm F / 1.4 GM [September 2018, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 24 mm F / 2.8 G [March 2021, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 28 mm F / 2.0 [March 2015, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 35 mm F / 1.4 GM [January 2021, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 35 mm F / 1.4 ZA [August 2014]
- Sony FE 35 mm F / 1.8 [July 2019, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 35 mm F / 2.8 ZA [October 2013, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 40 mm F / 2.5 G [March 2021, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 50 mm F / 1.2 GM [March 2021, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 50 mm F / 1.4 ZA [July 2016]
- Sony FE 50 mm F / 1.4 GM [February 2023]
- Sony FE 50 mm F / 1.8 [March 2016, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 50 mm F / 2.8 Macro [August 2016]
- Sony FE 50 mm F / 2.5 G [March 2021]
- Sony FE 55 mm F / 1.8 ZA [October 2013, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 85 mm F / 1.4 GM [February 2016, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 85 mm F / 1.8 [February 2017, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 90 mm F / 2.8 Macro G OSS [March 2015, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 100 mm F / 2.8 STF GM OSS [February 2017]
- Sony FE 135 mm F / 1.8 GM [February 2019, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 300 mm F / 2.8 GM OSS [November 2023]
- Sony FE 400 mm F / 2.8 GM OSS [June 2018]
- Sony FE 600 mm F / 4 GM OSS [June 2019]
Zuma:
- Sony FE 12-24 mm F / 2.8 GM [July 2020, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 12-24 mm F / 4 G [May 2017, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 16-25 mm F / 2.8 G [April 2024]
- Sony FE 16-35 mm F / 2.8 GM [May 2017, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 16-35 mm F / 2.8 GM II [August 2023]
- Sony FE 16-35 mm T / 3.1 PZ G C [November 2020]
- Sony FE 16-35 mm F / 4 ZA OSS [September 2014, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 16-35 mm F / 4 PZ G [March 2022, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 20-70 mm F / 4 G [January 2023]
- Sony FE 24-50 mm F / 2.8 G [February 2024]
- Sony FE 24-70 mm F / 2.8 GM [February 2016, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 24-70 mm F / 2.8 GM II [April 2022, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 24-70 mm F / 4 ZA OSS [October 2013, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 24-105 mm F / 4 G OSS [October 2017, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 24-240 mm F / 3.5-6.3 OSS [March 2015, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 28-60 mm F / 4-5.6 [September 2020, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 28-70 mm F / 3.5-5.6 OSS [October 2013, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 28-135 mm F / 4 G PZ OSS [September 2014]
- Sony FE 70-200 mm F / 2.8 GM OSS [October 2017]
- Sony FE 70-200 mm F / 2.8 GM OSS II [October 2021]
- Sony FE 70-200 mm F / 4 G OSS [October 2013, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 70-200 mm F / 4 G Macro OSS II [July 2023]
- Sony-FE 70-300 mm F / 4.5-5.6 G OSS [March 2016]
- Sony FE 100-400 mm F / 4.5-5.6 GM OSS [April 2017, AliExpress price]
- Sony FE 200-600 mm F / 5.6-6.3 G OSS [June 2019, AliExpress price]
Autofocus full-frame lenses for Sony E / FE mount are also available from other manufacturers:
- SIGMA DG A/C/S: 14 / 1.8A, 14/1.4A DN, 15/1.4A DN Fisheye, 17/4C DN, 20 / 1.4A, 20/1.4A DN, 20/2C DN, 24 / 1.4A, 24/1.4A DN, 24/2CDN, 24/3.5C DN, 28 / 1.4A, 35/2C DN, 35 / 1.4A, 35/1.4A DN, 35/1.2A DN, 40 / 1.4A, 45/2.8C DN, 50/2C DN, 50 / 1.4A, 50/1.4A DN, 50/1.2A DN, 65/2C DN, 70 / 2.8A, 85 / 1.4A, 85/1.4A DN, 90/2.8C DN, 105 / 1.4A, 105/2.8A DN, 135 / 1.8A, 500/5.6S DN + 14-24/2.8A DN, 16-28/2.8C DN, 24-70/2.8A DN, 28-70/2.8C DN, 70-200/2.8S DN, 100-400/5-6.3CDN, 150-600/5-6.3S DN, 60-600/4.5-6.3S DN (A-ART, C - CONTEMPORARY, S-SPORT)
- Samyang: 14/2.8, 18/2.8, 24/2.8, 24/1.8, 35/2.8, 35/1.8, 35/1.4, 35 / 1.4 II, 45/1.8, 50/1.4, 50 / 1.4 II, 75/1.8, 85/1.4, 85 / 1.4 II, 135/1.8 + TBU, 35-150/2-2.8 + V-AF range
- Tamron: 20/2.8, 24/2.8, 35/2.8 + TBU, TBU, TBU, TBU, 28-75/2.8G2, 28-200/2.8-5.6, 35-150/2-2.8, 50-400/4.5-6.3, TBU, 70-180/2.8G2, 70-300/4.5-6.3, 150-600/5-6.7
- felttrox: 16/1.8, 20/2.8, 24/1.8, 28/1.8, 35/1.8, 50/1.8, 85/1.8, 85 / 1.8 II
- Zeiss batis: 18/2.8, 25/2, 40/2, 85/1.8, 135/2.8
- yongnuo: 35/2, 50/1.8, 85/1.8, 85 / 1.8 II
- tokina: 20/2, 85/1.8, 100/2.8
- Meike: 50/1.8, 85/1.8, 85/1.4
- TTArtisan: 32/2.8
- AstrHori: 85/1.8
- laowa: 10/2.8
- 7Artisans: 50/1.8
- Nikon f (AF, AF-S, AF-P, AF-I) -> Sony E/FE
All Full Frame Sony E-mount Cameras
- Sony a7 [October 2013, AliExpress price]
- Sony a7II [November 2014, AliExpress price]
- Sony a7III [February 2018, AliExpress price]
- Sony a7IV [October 2021, AliExpress price]
- Sony a7r [October 2013]
- Sony a7rII [June 2015, AliExpress price]
- Sony a7r III/IIIA [October 2017, AliExpress price]
- Sony a7r IV/IVA [July 2019, AliExpress price]
- Sony a7rV [October 2022]
- Sony a7s [April 2014]
- Sony a7s II [September 2015, AliExpress price]
- Sony a7s III [July 2020, AliExpress price]
- Sony a9 [April 2017, AliExpress price]
- Sony a9II [October 2019, AliExpress price]
- Sony a9III [November 2023]
- Sony a1 [January 2021]
- Sony a7c [September 2020, AliExpress price]
- Sony a7cII [August 2023]
- Sony a7cr [August 2023]
- Sony FX3 [February 2021, AliExpress price]
- Sony ZV-E1 [March 2023]
Carl Zeiss Vario-Tessar FE 4 / 24-70 ZA OSS T * (Sony SEL2470Z FE 4 / 24-70 Optical Steady Shot) on camera Sony a7II
Results
Sony SEL2470Z is a lens with a very high-quality assembly (with dust and moisture protection), compact size, image stabilizer, fast focusing, f / 4 aperture throughout the focal length range, but at the same time they forgot to add a mechanical focus ring and stabilizer switches to the lens. focusing. And the cost of the lens leaves much to be desired, besides, the optical lens is not ideal - it has a strong distortion by 24 mm and a drop in sharpness by 24 mm and f / 4 at the edges and corners of the image.
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I like the picture of the Nikon analogue more IMHO
Nikon has no direct analogue, there is only Nikon 24-120 / 4, which is twice as long, and, of course, at 120mm F / 4, Nikon's nanomonster can give a more interesting picture.
Having looked at the photos, I see no reason to pay that kind of money. I have a 35-105 zuika that takes off more interestingly) Thanks a lot for the review!
Perhaps there is a way to increase the aperture ratio by mechanical improvement by reopening the diaphragm (live hacking-sawing or stitching the carcass), but we will find out when the lens gets more “mass” distribution.
Most likely, the lens was immediately designed this way with this behavior of the diaphragm blades. As I already wrote in the review, many zoom lenses can behave this way with the aperture to maintain the ratio of the focal length to the diameter of the hole. Just this Zeiss constantly has covered petals.
Great review, thanks! So yes, electronic focus control is a problem. And it's not at all clear why it should be done for mirrorless cameras, which already have trouble with autonomy. Not to mention the fact that for that kind of money, one could already make full-fledged optics, and not an "addition to the camera"
An electronic ring is made to save on production, to reduce the size of the lens, because there is no need to make a complex combination of the ring mechanism and the lens movement mechanism, in this case, only the focusing mechanism for the motor is being developed. Plus, for video, smooth focusing using an electronic ring is a godsend.
and you can also take a literally rewarding focus step for very fine depth of field control.
For example, on my fuji 18/2, the run from MDF to infinity is about 1,5-2 turns
If you slowly rotate the focus ring on this Zeiss, you will also get about 2 full revolutions.
exactly. The advantage of ECF.
compactness. Well, simplicity is the speed of control for the camera itself. Fuji even has an electronic diaphragm ring, not a mechanic.
The nuts in the bokeh are just ugly.
Moreover, on the official website boast of a circular (round) diaphragm :)
The drawing on the site looks quite convincing, it’s good that there are reviews. It's really strange to see the nuts on such an expensive lens
and indeed, they could have put 9 petals. This is of course a trifle, but in fact the whole lens is made up of trifles.
in addition to nuts, they’re kind of littered, which is worse
IMHO, draws very formally.
SONY are such SONY ... trinket ... The people disperse - everyone was thrown!
In the case of Sony, Zeiss, Apple, you pay for the letters on the product, not for the product.
To a point I noticed!
Run.
And frank. Zeiss is not letters!
Based on the quality of the photo, this particular Zeiss-letter is.
How many FE lenses I have already seen, none like in terms of bokeh. I don’t understand at all: why it is impossible to introduce the schemes of the old Zeiss lenses to make the drawing interesting?
Old schemes may not feed 40-50 MP of new cameras, therefore they make new ones, very contrasting, sharp, and the drawing is the third thing.
Nevertheless, subconsciously looking for lemons in the photo, when you see the inscription Zeiss, well, or at least circles. The name is binding.
Arkady, is it really impossible to make sharp lenses with an interesting pattern?
Sure you may. But "drawing" is more characteristic of fixes, and not zooms with F / 4. A drawing is often referred to as a manifestation of lens flaws. A striking example of this is lemons in bokeh, or twisted bokeh.
It is difficult to make a pleasant drawing often. Rumor has it that the use of aspherical elements has a very negative effect on the “pattern”, as they correct spherical aberrations, which greatly affect the “pattern”.
In general, this topic is rather complicated, I think without real knowledge in the field of modern optics it would be difficult to say something sensible.
A drawing is probably not so much a distortion of the optics due to under-corrected oberrations as the nature of the image change in and out of the focus area, creating a sense of “volume”. It is difficult to put into words, but you probably understand :) Here on SF optics this is probably most noticeable.
Indeed, a lot of things affect the "drawing". The SF format is famous for its certain curvature of the depth of field (namely the curvature, but the width), which can “walk” along its intricate curves. For example, the edges of the image become sharp at the wrong focusing distance from the center of the image. Classic lenses have more or less uniform linear depth of field.
Arkady, calm me down, say that these are not your legs. :)
legs are provided by the official representative of Sony in Ukraine
Actually, these are legs.
Does it bother you? do you want to talk about it? )))
With such a price, I would like to have 9 petals and a permanent hole of 2.8
Similar to Polo SharpShots D3000 HD Camcorder
Does the lens look like a camera? Rather similar to the OSTL 21x Optical Super Telephoto Lens.
I meant a camera with a lens, I had to write "similar"
angular camera design, long lens + lens hood
looks like this
http://image.dhgate.com/albu_570010466_00/1.0×0.jpg
or to it https://radojuva.com.ua/2014/12/polo-d3000-chinese-devil/
Sony recently patented a scheme for 28-70 / 2 for this mount - maybe in a year not earlier, and the lens will be. The people are either pretending and / or actually stupid - the Sony FE mount is young, what the hell to compare prices and assortment with those who have been developing for one system for decades?
and what’s young, the money is still the same for Sony.
the excuse “young bayonet” reminds of a girl driving who must be forgiven for going into the oncoming lane.
If your parents had more money at the time of your birth, would it mean that you would be born smarter? Is the analogy clear?
no not clear.
Sony is not artisans, but a huge corporation and they make a commercial product that should be sorted like pies and not lying in a warehouse. There are companies on the market that have been operating for decades and that have credibility, which means that the new manufacturer must be offered something cheaper by similar parameters or something more advanced at the same price. Otherwise, no one will switch to the new system.
In the meantime, the phrase “bayonet Sony fairy young” lives on, the Sony company will lose (not gain) turnover.
You forget that even with such a meager optics park, the devices are extremely successful.
In addition, Sony has released adapters that allow the use of an extensive fleet of optics minolt / sony.
Plus, amazing opportunities for working with manual optics (it would be better to cut off marketing hands so that the functionality is not cut).
Sonya had such a disease - to break the market, and then get bogged down in bureaucracy and yield to competitors. Let's hope they've learned the lessons of their history.
PS left Nikon D750 on Sony A7m2. I know perfectly well the pros and cons of both systems.
Here I just choose between d750 and A7m2. You can somehow ask a couple of questions and generally hear about your impressions. I need a camera for shooting landscapes in the mountains.
A7r medical experts prescribe landscapes; here the question is generally more about lenses for the landscape. Google, serious guys wrote hundreds of pages on this subject.
Sony A7R - the resolution is just crazy and is half the price of 7RII now. One question - what kind of glass to add for such a landscape permit, for example? Relatives here are really a very big problem for a simple amateur. You can, of course, take a used Nikon D800 and not bother with the choice of optics, but Sonkin is a big plus (for me, at least) that you can hang absolutely any, even the most incredible, glass on it and finally find one that suits ... For example, it is very convenient for me now, for example, to put glasses from canon through an adapter, which (good ones too, by the way) can be bought for little money at any flea market. Autofocus is, of course, symbolic, but there is still. It is possible from Nikon, but from anything you want to stick in, a son-in-law from friends, for example.
something like young wine
Sony has had mirrorless cameras for a long time - their Sony Nex was introduced many years ago. Yes, and Sony already seems to have cameras on the “you”. It's just that the fe system is being developed not with lenses, but with new cameras and different crutches.
Regarding 28-70 / 2.0 - remember how the entire Internet was noisy and waited for Sigma 24-70 / 2.0, as a result, the cut was 24-35 / 2.0. And 28 is not 24.
I am not a great specialist in the field of patent law, and in the case of 28-70 / 2 Sony received a patent, but if my memory serves me right when filing a patent for an invention or industrial production, a sample of the patent is attached. Regarding the small number of Sony lenses, I can't tell you that Canon's R&D department is clearly much larger, and the production capacity is most likely more developed. In any case, the system will be filled with lenses.
That's what is strange is that Sony does not redesign and adapt the old Minolta lenses.
They themselves wrote about Minolta. You might think that Canon did not change the lens mount, history and experience did not reset this, and there is nothing to say about the history of Zeiss.
Ha - Canon switched to EF about 30 years ago - they managed to gain experience for so many years.
Freaky lens
y-yeah .. crappy lens ...
On a hike there is a difference with a whale, if there is somewhere on paper, then a specialist should pay attention to this ...
Here is also an interesting opinion about this very glass:
http://vladimirdar.livejournal.com/32702.html
“My main and most subjective conclusion is that this lens, despite its many shortcomings, is most likely an electronic Forerunner of our mirrorless future, the advantages of which can be revealed by the person who himself opens his soul to him and believes in him ...”
In short, "expensive and incomprehensible." Yes, and the price tag for it is now about 70, which is in the present. it's not even $ 1000, which 1200E is discussed in the article, is not clear. Or is everything still ahead in Russia?
Bhphoto sells for $ 1200, which is the best way to navigate. When they start to write about “opening the soul”, in 90% of cases the lens has nothing else but poetic descriptions.
A mirrorless future should it be better:
http://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-will-launch-a-medium-format-camera-top-trusted-japanese-source-new-source-says-it-will-come-at-photokina/
It's funny that according to tests, on the same dxo, the subject does not differ much from 28-70 on the A7R. Subjectively, is he really that bad?
I had experience with 28-70 on the A7, and it seemed to me "very low". Now for the A7R, the zoom was impatient (do not forget that the pixels are one and a half times larger, but with the sharpness of the 2870 everything is bad), and I wondered if the difference in the price of the picture that will turn out is worth it, or the whole difference is just a blue sticker over the inscription "sony"? * It is worth comparing with each other, but with an eye to 55 and 35 for fe *
2470 did not hold in hands, in our general store there are no such, 2870 only in the first seven.
... it is problematic to compare by pictures or opinions on forums: for those who have 2870 - they have enough, and the owners of 2470 want to justify the rationality of the purchase.
Zeiss has a cool Otus lineup! for Soneck there is Batis!
Batis forgot to open the diaphragm, instead of 25 / 1,4 - 25/2, instead of 85 / 1,4 - 85 / 1,8, but the price tag was set as for F / 1.2 :) The same applies to 55 / 1.8. I do not argue, the reviews about them are good, but the price tags are too high. They forgot to add autofocus to Otus. What is good and “in full” is Zeiss 35 / 1,4 for Sonu FE.
Batis and loxia it is understandable, still to start making so much money, so that to spend so much money on an infrequent hobby :)
But sometimes you need a zoom, because the opinion is interesting whether Sony zeiss is worth overpaying on a7r, compared to 2870 (+ besides, Sony itself does not recommend putting this lens to resolution version a7), and whether they are both terrible compared to 35 and 55mm (which are already there).
I drove 28-70 on a7r, it is quite enough for r-ki. If you shoot on the street, I wouldn’t even think about it, I took 28-70, if in the room, then because of the extra stop I would have to take 24-70. In the review, I pointed out for a reason that 28-70 does almost everything the same as 24-70. Those who want him are just used to fault any whale zoom.
Here I am about the same thing, you need to justify the purchase in front of you. Although, nevertheless, the sharpness and color from my former copy were nonexistent. But the difference in price is $ 110-120 for a used one or a new one pulled from a 2870 kit, compared to $ 1200 for a 2470, it can make you turn a blind eye to this. It remains to understand whether everything is so bad at the wide and long ends.
But in my opinion it turned out to be a very good lens. Darling, really. But Zeiss is Zeiss. And then you stammered him like a dog. And the bokeh is not that, and the sharpness is not that! This is an ordinary high-quality zoom and there is nothing for him to show how to fix!
For some reason, the examples from this review do not look interesting at all. Sony's color, which is kind of boring, and the lens itself, did not impress. And why the inscription “Zeiss” on the lens is obvious only for a higher price.
Gentlemen from Sony, do not be miser, give Arkady Zeiss Batis 25mm f 2 and 85mm f 1.8, please!
I wonder if they have these lenses themselves :)
As for me, the drawing is Tamron's ... here the focal length and the size are the same, well, Sony has repeatedly renamed the lenses Tamron.
This has never happened.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/sony/28-75mm-f28.htm read the test by Ken Rockwell, everything is written there….
Lens photo
Two lenses together
Well, (outwardly), many lenses are similar))) Although it may be true that they copied from Tamron.
The photo is not very, even taking into account not the best shooting conditions. I did not see here the differences between Zeiss and Netzeys.
Yeah Thai Zeiss, which can be absurd, and even for good money.
By summer-autumn, 5-7 new lenses, mainly fixes, are planned for FE.
So a little patience gentlemen.
Although prices are certainly killing, Sony has always had prices slightly higher, and at the moment, the dollar is playing more.
Fucking that fixes .. (Of little use - unless in salons for passport photos)
Most likely you heard something wrong
Of the native FE lenses, the best price / quality ratio is fixed 28/2.
Protected, convenient for video, sharp with open. I use it as a staffer.
For studios / sports (where the body is needed), contact hares work great.
It is the best only in the absence of the Zeiss sticker, that is, for the price, unfortunately ... It is peculiar, not for every day. Nevertheless, sometimes I really like it, the truth is in the wrong hands, but nevertheless: https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/vanirn/album/433290/view/1435014?page=0 (viciously dragged from the soniclab)
Arkady, in spite of the fact that you have not found official statements about the effectiveness of the stabilizer on this lens, it would be interesting to see your traditional phrase in the article: “I shot with no problems on FR XX and exposure XX”. Even without official statements, such figures allow us to evaluate the work of the stabilizer (albeit -rov, in tandem with the camera).
Thank you.
There, the camera pulls mainly at 1/10 and 70 mm, the stub holds quite tolerably :)