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  1. grandfather Fedor
    25.12.2015

    Yes, a really interesting lens. It is interesting to see its capabilities in the "native" format. By the way, here's the question: is the resolution of a film or a lens more important?

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    • Rodion
      25.12.2015

      Volosov cited the data obtained using the Mikrat material with a native resolution of 2000 lines / mm. Here, in fact, the photographic resolution is given. There is also a visual one, apparently, when projecting a picture and manually counting strokes without photographing - there the resolution is ~ 30 lines higher.
      Actually, if you count the pixel density at approximately 600d, this is the only lens that can resolve these 18 megapixels. And on full-frame 5d cameras, it will have an excessive resolution at all - an unheard-of thing, it would seem!

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    • Rodion
      25.12.2015

      By the way, you can put it on the P6 - but only in macro mode. There, to infinity, 10 mm is not enough.

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  2. Dim
    25.12.2015

    Very interesting. It's a pity there is no photo on which it would be possible to assess the transition to blurry - such as a fence going into the distance or alleys

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    • Rodion
      25.12.2015

      It can be appreciated in the photo with a spider and other insects)

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  3. Anatoly
    25.12.2015

    Respect to Rodion

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  4. Vladimir
    25.12.2015

    Whatever “removed” A.Sh. - everything is interesting and beautiful!

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    • Vyacheslav S.
      26.12.2015

      What does A.Sh. have to do with the pictures from R.E.?

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  5. anonym
    25.12.2015

    I didn’t think that there are lenses with such a high resolution http://kamepa.ru/articles.htm?id=37

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  6. Grandfather
    25.12.2015

    I downloaded the archive, looked at the pictures, the usual good sharpness, that I did not see that vaunted ringing sharpness that I expected, maybe in conjunction with the FF sensor everything will be different, since more of those “magic” lines will cover the sensor, something is not somewhere plays.
    JPEG in Canon 600D wants to be the best.
    Thank you for the material.

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    • anonym
      29.12.2015

      By the way, yes. the same kachets is also issued by 37 Jupiter, I am silent about the native insole of many Japanese firms. I don’t see ADCC either

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  7. anonym
    26.12.2015

    And why did you wind it on the 600D? Does he reveal all the qualities of glass? And sharpness is not outstanding, just average

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    • anonym
      26.12.2015

      And still not a single photo is at a distance to assess sharpness throughout the frame, we conclude that the glass is rubbish.

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    • BB
      26.12.2015

      What a man has, then put it. Not all photographers have eight carcasses.

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      • Rodion
        26.12.2015

        That's it. I didn’t shoot this for the sake of reviews. Filmed as I want, with what it was.
        Regarding sharpness, it is obvious that most photographs are strong-strong macro (i.e. we stretch the resolution of the glass over a large area, it drops two or three times in fact). So, for example, a white-pink flower had dimensions of about 3-4 mm. The beetle was completely in motion during the shooting.
        Sharpness here is more limited by shake - the lens does not have a high aperture ratio. Well, and ISO, I can not punch well.
        The resolution can be estimated from the last portrait. The fact that every downy hair is visible on the face is an indicator cleaner than the world.
        The archived JPEGs are not in-camera.

        PS Anonymous is a local troll like that? Well, let's get acquainted with the local fauna.

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      • Yarkiya
        26.12.2015

        Glass in any case is not rubbish, but a really sharp photo with only a large butterfly.

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      • Rodion
        26.12.2015

        Because it is full of contrasting details. And in other pictures - you have to look for them. It's simple.

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      • Yarkiya
        26.12.2015

        Well, no, not everything is simple, it's not about contrasting details, but in the distance. Just the contrast there is not big, but all the villi are visible. And the rest of the pictures are almost all blurry. So it’s not the glass, it’s just normal, it turns out that the shutter speed needs to be shortened.

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      • Rodion
        26.12.2015

        I can't find “the rest of the photos are all blurry” among the photos, alas.

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      • brighty
        26.12.2015

        I downloaded the source and looked at a 100% increase. Open to the full beetle, an absolute technical marriage, I try to immediately remove such.
        Yes, do not pay attention to this, it has a mediocre attitude to the review. Because, in fact, you are a great fellow and thank you very much for the review.

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      • Rodion
        26.12.2015

        In my opinion, one of the best shots to illustrate sharpness is a shot with chicory and a shot after it. In the first case, a huge number of details are visible, and in the second case, with no less detail in the image, the magnification factor is very high. No matter how 1,5:1. The whole problem is that everything is off the hook. And the lighting is not particularly pampered in the forest. Therefore, what is, is.
        In any case, neither I-61LZ, nor Volna-9, nor Jupiter-37 with a macro ring would have shown anything good. I used Ju-11 with macro rings - the detail was much worse. And he has permission - like the 61st Industar, famous for its sharpness.

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      • Rodion
        26.12.2015

        With a beetle, yes - there is grease. But he is alive, he runs) And I am chasing him with macro rings at ISO400. It is clear that it will be blurred)

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      • anonym
        27.12.2015

        Very interesting lens! The combination of sharpness and softness of the picture. I liked the pictures and I understand you, because I myself crawl on all fours in the shade of bushes, etc. Judging by the excerpts, no. Buy an inexpensive flash compatible with your camera, make different attachments for it yourself (everything can be found in the institute) and then you can shoot at ISO 100 and shutter speeds shorter than 250, there will be no movement, and so on. small disturbances. Moreover, the hole allows! Yes, and it does not hurt for dynamic photo sessions in nature with a monopod. I sincerely wish you to enjoy your hobby! Good luck!

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      • Rodion
        27.12.2015

        Thanks for the tips!
        External equipment is cool, but, alas, it's hard, very voluminous; if I carried it all with me - I would not have any desire to shoot. And at those times, when I rode a bike, I just took a camera with me from the era, which was still overloaded with Helios 44-2 helicoid (he groaned terribly from the load) ...

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    • Maugli
      26.12.2015

      Well, they would give a man a ff carcass for a while, what's the problem?

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  8. Dim
    26.12.2015

    30 megapixels for FX. It is quite normal, the edges are simply not visible.

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  9. Dim
    26.12.2015

    ISO would be even lower, otherwise the sensor itself could spoil the picture

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  10. Michael
    26.12.2015

    Hello everybody.
    Let me put in a linkhttp://www.deep-life.ru/nikkor-80-200/ I think a wonderful Nikon 80-200 / 4.5 Ai lens.
    And more photo examples https://www.flickr.com/photos/orb9220/sets/72157612886260036/

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  11. Sergei
    26.12.2015

    Thank you for your review, Rodion - respect and respect, thanks for your work

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  12. CV
    26.12.2015

    A viewing angle of 16 degrees and medium format contradict each other. At this angle, a frame with a diagonal of ~ 35 mm will be its native format.

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    • Rodion
      26.12.2015

      Yes, probably. But he covers the 6 * 6 field without problems. Like Jupiter-21M, it also covers 6 * 6.

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  13. Somebody
    26.12.2015

    The glass is cool, but nothing more, but the Tester (with a capital letter!) - respect the most respectable! O_ =
    With such crap, on the rings, in the field to shoot live macro - you have to be not just a terminator, but a terminator from Rusnano ...

    It is interesting, of course, to stick it in the native format and look at the picture.
    Because the narrow digital cropper for SF film optics is a very indirect test.

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  14. Igor_K
    27.12.2015

    Dear colleagues, lenses of this class were developed for use in stationary reproduction and macro installations. To eliminate the lubrication factor, the installation itself was mounted on a vibration-absorbing platform (sand + expanded clay + concrete + bitumen-rubber mat), the weight of the installation itself is far beyond a centner, P - shaped guides like a hoist crane. The size of the negative is predominantly 9 by 12 cm. Negative - high-resolution black-and-white photographic plates. The development was done with a lean, fine-grained developer, often rolled onto glass for exceptional detail, etc. This is exactly the kind of photography I was doing 28 years ago; this process is similar to art photography, like a sports report is to fluorography. There was no mention of any bokeh and color rendition, only detail and resolution, contrast was adjusted in the process of developing and printing. Even in those years, Lingoff Technika Press, compared to similar monsters, looked like the built-in camera of a Siemens c65 phone compared to Nikon d800. So do not complain that the lens from the review could not show itself on a cropped camera. After all, it is unlikely that someone will come up with the idea to equip the hunchbacked “Zaporozhets” with an engine from the “Mig 29”, and complain about the lack of controllability of the structure. I didn't mean to offend anyone, just sharing my personal experience. Many thanks to the author of the review, very interesting.

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  15. Rodion
    27.12.2015

    The most interesting thing is that I am not mad about fat, I shoot with such optics. The lens was rescued from an antique shop for 1500r; he lay there all so poor, with one front cover and a thick layer of dust, grease and dirt instead of the back. Surprisingly, even after such a past, this lens performs well.

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  16. srdjan
    28.12.2015
  17. anonym
    29.12.2015

    Yes, Jupiter 37 gives no less resolution, where is the detail from the effects of VAX? no. Hence, it makes no sense to look for this rarity and masturbate on it, trying to make their work detailed pixel by pixel. The most common lens.

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  18. Subject
    29.12.2015

    and on the FF, not on the crop. The time has passed when they put this Soviet dermetso and tried to squeeze out of it a picture of the quality of the 21st century. Gone. it is better to spend money on native glass, which predictably produces more predictable results, and calmly shoot. YOU DO NOT BUY A SCOOTER TO GET from point A to point B, you take at least a train ticket or look for a car. So here, why bother bothering if today the options are DARKNESS. Used native optics are even more expensive, but the picture from it is many times more pleasant to look at. If you need an artistic drawing, it is fashionable for him to buy a couple of scoop glasses at a flea market. The requirements for modern photography have gone far from allowing this rubbish, and only those who are not engaged in either subject matter or commerce masturbate to it. That is, they shoot for themselves or for cheap orders “A la heifer against the backdrop of mountains”. for me, the most common lens, like how everyone jerked off at the G40 at one time, and what was the result? or studio light. all IMHO, but I did not notice the joy of using this glass (era 21). And I used it on FF.

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  19. Ivan
    30.12.2015

    Somehow, the resolution is not very high. Apparently low contrast that results in “glass fog” usually appears at zero in the lower left corner of the histogram. All this is aggravated by the small depth of field, objects seem to be in the same plane, but it is not clear where the plane of sharpness is. You can adapt, but I remember focusing on Jupiter 37A, I can imagine this torment.

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    • Rodion
      30.12.2015

      So it is, the lens is very tired and clearly not intended for running around with it in nature. The weight limits my ability to shoot moving subjects at this high magnification. So - there are many factors that interfere with achieving ultra high sharpness. And, of course, there is a crop with macro rings - this greatly reduces the actual resolution of the image.

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  20. Tetris
    16.01.2016

    The catalog presents the history of the development of the production of photographic film equipment and lenses at the Krasnogorsk Mechanical Plant

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    • ñ
      02.02.2016

      and?

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  21. ñ
    02.02.2016

    Funny glass, but again, when printing, it is still not possible to achieve similar quality + principle, and 61ls wave9 are quite comparable with it - one piece thing (like, for example, Jupiter-13), another massive

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  22. anonym
    19.01.2017

    very cool lens, perfect for macro

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  23. Nicholas
    04.01.2019

    I will answer everyone right away. First. Eras (12, 13, 15) are by no means medium format lenses. And especially not for the 9x12 format (do not believe it!). Its parameters are clearly indicated by Volosov: a linear decrease of 40x, an angle of 16 degrees. That is, this is at most a 35mm frame. And the most important thing. In order to get this craziest resolution of 330 (center) - 260 (edge) lines, like micro-nikkors, these lenses are designed for shooting under the light of ONE and ONLY wavelength (546nm). ARE NOT ACHROMATES. Not APOCHROMATES, but even just ACHROMATES. These are monochromator lenses. That is, in white light, these are “very high-quality monocles,” so they rightly say here that this lens does not give any special sharpness. And he can't give. A good magnifier lens will do the job better. But there is a way out. Compromise, but a way out. Shoot B&W film with a GREEN filter. And here the sharpness will be greater than that of any Nikkor (I don’t have the 12th era, although I could take it, but there are the 13th and 15th) But keep in mind that the weight of such a lens with a helicoid is about the same as that of a photo sniper. Do you need it?

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    • Rodion
      08.01.2019

      Good info, then I'll try it somehow with a filter in bw.

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  24. Sergei
    23.05.2019

    Nikolay in his remark on January 4 is in many ways right.
    D.S. Volosov in his "Photographic Optics" does not indicate the use of fluorite or low-disperse glasses (and they had not yet been mastered).
    And given the focal length, they would be very useful.
    Therefore, the problem of HA for increasing the resolving power was solved using a hard green filter ZS-11. Each KOMZ lens was equipped with this filter (and orange OS-11).
    To the credit of the developers, they tried to reduce the rays of different wavelengths as they could, so there was no pronounced chromatism on all lenses in this series.
    Therefore, it is incorrect to call these lenses monochromats.
    These lenses were designed for shooting on 35-mm film on a scale of 1:40, the optimal focusing distance of 0,2-1,7 meters.
    I advise you to look at the scans of the passport of the Era-13 150mm / 4,5 lens at the lens club.

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