In this part of the confrontation between Nikon and Canon systems, a small issue will be raised regarding the performance power of Nikon and Canon cameras.
Also see other articles on this important topic:
Confrontation systems Nikon / Canon. Part 2. Performance
Very often you can find the phrase “high performance” of a camera, but what “performance” is, very few people really understand. 'Performance' is a complex thing, consisting of several factors.
Processors
The processor is usually responsible for performance. For most users, a processor is an abstract and incomprehensible thing, and therefore nowadays it is easy to “sell” it, just like fake megapixels.
Nikon and Canon have their own line of processors that are being developed and updated, and the big names EXPEED, DIGIC are increasingly appearing in the first lines of the description of the camera.
DUAL - means using two processors.
DIGIC series for Canon cameras
| Processor | Camera Models |
| Digic x |
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| DIGIC VIII |
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| DIGIC VII | |
| DIGIC VI + | |
| DIGIC VI | |
| DIGIC V + | |
| DIGIC V | |
| DIGIC IV + |
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| DIGIC IV | |
| DIGIC III | |
| DIGIC II | |
| Digic | |
| Unknow Unknown |
EXPEED Series for Nikon
| Processor | Camera Models |
| Dual EXPEED 6 | Nikon z6 ii, Z7 II |
| EXPEED 6 | Nikon D6, D780, Z5, Z7, Z6, Z50 |
| EXPEED 5 | Nikon D7500Nikon D500, Nikon D5,D850 |
| EXPEED 4 | Nikon D810, Nikon D810a, Nikon D4s, Nikon D750, Nikon D7200, Nikon D5600, Nikon D5500, Nikon D5300, Nikon D3300, Nikon D3400, Nikon D3500 |
| EXPEED 3 | Nikon D4, Nikon D600, Nikon D610, Nikon D800, Nikon D800E, Nikon D7100, Nikon D5200, Nikon D3200Nikon DF |
| EXPEED 2 | Nikon D7000, Nikon D5100, Nikon D3100 |
| EXPEED | Nikon D3x, Nikon D3, Nikon D3s, Nikon D300, Nikon D300s, Nikon D700, Nikon D90Nikon D5000 Nikon D60, Nikon D3000, |
| D200like * | Nikon D40, Nikon D80, Nikon D40x, D200 |
| Unknow Unknown | Nikon D1, Nikon D1h, Nikon D1x, Nikon D50, Nikon D70, Nikon D70s, Nikon D100, Nikon D2h, D2hs |
My experience
My practice has shown that in fact, the coolness of the processor name does not determine anything specific. The manufacturer indicates only the general name of the generation of processors, but it is difficult to find out which chip modification is in each specific camera. For homework, try to find out which processor is using Nikon D3s - EXPEED II or still, as indicated in my tables - EXPEED.
Manipulation example: it may happen that the new processor will not cope with the tasks that the old did. Camera Nikon D5300 with EXPEED 4 processor, using RAW (RAW + JPEG) format with 14-bit color depth, lowers the burst speed to 4 fps. At the same time, the previous model Nikon D5200, with an EXPEED 3 processor, shot without any problems at the same 14-bit color depth in RAW format at 5 fps. Moreover, the Live View image Nikon D5300 can slow down. Why install a new generation processor that cannot handle this amount of data?
TOP 10 (and in fact TOP 33) of the fastest Nikon \ Canon cameras
The performance of the camera is greatly affected by the maximum burst speed.
Since cameras have a lot of features that affect the maximum possible speed of burst shooting, I did not succeed in creating a simple and understandable tablet. The table below has three columns:
- Maximum speed per second is an accurate parameter that does not need to be explained
- The list of cameras with standard mode shows a list of cameras that can shoot at the specified speed without using any special techniques. These cameras get top speed when shooting in JPEG format, no additional power source, no exposure / focus lock, using the entire sensor at low ISO. In short, this means that it is enough to turn on the camera, and it will shoot at the declared speed in normal mode without additional complex settings.
- The list of cameras with advanced mode shows cameras that can be accelerated to the specified values, but only with certain settings / crutches.
| Maximum frame rate per second | List of cameras with normal mode | Advanced Camera List |
| 20 fps | no | Canon EOS-1D X Mark III (Live View only) |
| 16 fps | Canon EOS-1D X Mark III | Canon 1DX MarkII (focus lock) |
| 14 fps | Canon 1DX MarkII, Nikon D6 | Canon 1DX, Canon 1DC (focus lock with a raised mirror, only JPEG, ISO up to 32.000), Nikon D5 (focus lock with mirror up) |
| 12 fps | Canon 1DX, Canon 1DC, Nikon D5 | no |
| 11 fps | Nikon D4Nikon D4s | Nikon D3s, Nikon D3 (DX mode with focus lock and / or exposure) |
| 10 fps | Canon 7D MarkII, Canon 1D Mark IV, Canon 1D Mark III, Nikon D500 | no |
| 9 fps | Nikon D3, Nikon D3s | D850 with MB-D18 butblock and battery EN-EL18b |
| 8,3 fps | Canon 1D MarkII, Canon 1D Mark II N | no |
| 8 fps | canon 7d, Canon 1D, Nikon D2h, D2hs, Nikon D7500 | Nikon D300, Nikon D300s (additional power supply and turned off 14-bit RAW), Nikon D700 (additional power supply), Nikon D2x, Nikon D2xs (additional cropping mode enabled) |
| 7 fps | Canon 70D, Canon 80D, Canon 5D Mark IV, Nikon D850, D300s |
Nikon D3x (additional framing mode enabled), Nikon D810, Nikon D810a (auxiliary power supply and extra crop mode enabled), Nikon D7100, Nikon D7200 (additional framing mode on and 14-bit RAW off) |
| 6,5 fps | Nikon D750, Canon 40D | no |
| 6,3 fps | Canon 50D | no |
Increase the speed of burst shooting for Nikon cameras (or how to knock a tambourine correctly)
Many Nikon cameras can change the maximum burst speed. The speed of continuous shooting is strongly influenced by:
- using a battery pack or AC adapter
- different image quality settings, primarily use 12 or 14 bit color depths for shooting in RAW format
- the use of additional framing modes, in which, to create a picture, not the entire sensor of the camera works, but only its central part
- ISO settings, Auto ISO, ADL and other advanced settings that can slow down burst speed
Below are all Nikon Central Control Units that change the speed of burst shooting depending on some parameters.
D3 and D3s
Nikon D3 и Nikon D3s in normal mode, FX can shoot at a speed of 9 fps (with any quality settings). In DX crop mode, speed can be increased to 11 fps. When operating at speeds of 10 and 11 fps focus lock completed. All pictures in the series will be taken with the focus that was selected for the first frame. In addition, if the subject is poorly lit, then Expositionselected for the first shot will be used for the entire series. Most likely, 10 and 11 fps cannot be obtained when using lenses with the VR function and / or when using the auto-ISO function (did someone check?). In framing modes 1.2x and 5: 4, the maximum speed cannot be increased and amounts to a maximum of 9 fps.
D3x
Nikon D3x in FX and 5:4 modes can shoot at 5 fps. But bad luck, 5 fps is available only when using JPEG / TiFF or RAW format with 12-bit color depth. As soon as you turn on RAW with 14-bit color depth, the burst speed drops to pathetic 1.8 fps in FX / 5: 4 mode, or 2.6 fps in DX mode. In DX crop mode when using JPEG / TiFF format or RAW format with 12-bit color depth, the speed can be up to 7 fps.
When I was preparing this article, it was a big discovery for me that at maximum quality settings, the Nikon D3x is the slowest camera in the entire Nikon CZK line.
D2x, D2xs
Nikon D2x и Nikon D2xs in normal mode, DX can shoot at a speed of 5 fps (with any quality settings). In crop mode High speed cropped mode speed rises to 8 fps. No additional gestures are required to increase speed.
D700
Nikon D700 in normal mode, it can shoot at a speed of 5 fps (with any quality settings). Using battery pack MB-D10 or network adapter EH-5a / EH-5, the speed can grow up to 8 fps. But, to make the camera shoot at a speed of 8 fps, one MB-D10 not enough. You need to use a special holder MS-D10 with 8 AA cells (batteries or rechargeable batteries). The MS-D10 holder is supplied with MB-D10. Also, 8 fps can be achieved using a more capacious battery. EN-EL4 (from cameras Nikon D2h, D2hs, D2x, D2xs) Or EN-EL4a (from cameras Nikon D3s, D3, D3x), but this requires the optional BL-3 cover (which is not included with the MB-D10). In addition, if you buy a battery EN-EL4 or EN-EL4a, you will have to additionally buy and charge Nikon MH-21 / Nikon MH-22 for it. If in MB-D10 use a regular standard battery EN-EL3e, then the burst speed will not change. Battery pack MB-D10 equally suitable for D300, D300S и D700.
D300, D300s
Speed increase for Nikon D300, Nikon D300s more complicated than for Nikon D700. Top speed Nikon D300 in normal mode is 6 fps, Nikon D300S - 7 fps, and is available in JPEG or RAW format, but only using 12-bit color depth. With a 14-bit color depth of the RAW format, the speed drops to a measly 2.5 fps. Cameras can be accelerated and shot at the maximum possible speed of 8 fps, but only when using the JPEG format or 12-bit color depth in the RAW format and only using the optional battery pack MB-D10 or network adapter EH-5a / EH-5. To force cameras to shoot at 8 fps, one MB-D10 not enough. You need to use a special holder MS-D10 with 8 AA cells (batteries or rechargeable batteries). The MS-D10 holder is supplied with MB-D10. Also, 8 fps can be achieved using a more capacious battery. EN-EL4 (from Nikon D2h / D2hs cameras, D2x, D2xs) Or EN-EL4a (from cameras Nikon D3s, D3, D3x), but this requires the optional BL-3 cover (which is not included with the MB-D10). In addition, if you buy a battery EN-EL4 or EN-EL4a, you will have to additionally buy and charge Nikon MH-21 / Nikon MH-22 for it. If in MB-D10 use a regular standard battery EN-EL3e, then the burst speed will not change. Battery pack MB-D10 equally suitable for D300, D300S и D700.
In the instructions to Nikon D300 it is indicated that 8 fps is available with any of the above methods. The instructions for the Nikon D300S (page 89) clarify the maximum shooting speeds depending on the batteries:
- 7.6 fps with an EH-5a / EH-5 power supply unit (apparently 220 V in the outlet is not enough to power the camera properly)
- 7.7 fps with eight AA elements
- 8 fps with battery EN-EL4awhat is the most expensive option
D810, D810a
Nikon D810 and Nikon D810a in normal FX mode can shoot at 5 fps (at any quality setting). In 1.2X and DX crop mode with stock battery EN-EL15 speed rises to 6 fps. If you use the camera with a battery pack MB-D12 and battery EN-EL18 (from cameras Nikon D4, D4s) or with 8 AA elements, or with an EH-5B AC adapter, and use the DX cropping mode (DX only), the speed will increase to 7 fps. battery pack Nikon MB-D12 with standard battery EN-EL15 will not help achieve an increase in rate of fire.
For option with extra capacious battery EN-EL18 you will also have to buy a Nikon MH-26 / MH-26a charger and a Nikon BL-5 battery cover, without which it will be impossible to install the battery EN-EL18 to the block MB-D12.
D800, D800E (full analogy with D810, D810a)
Nikon D800 and Nikon D800E in normal FX mode can shoot at 4 fps (at any quality setting). In 1.2X and DX crop mode with stock battery EN-EL15 speed rises to 5 fps. If you use the camera with a battery pack MB-D12 and battery EN-EL18 (from cameras Nikon D4, D4s) or with 8 AA elements, or with an EH-5B AC adapter, and use the DX cropping mode (DX only), the speed will increase to 6 fps. battery pack Nikon MB-D12 with standard battery EN-EL15 will not help achieve an increase in rate of fire.
For option with extra capacious battery EN-EL18 you will also have to buy a Nikon MH-26 / MH-26a charger and a Nikon BL-5 battery cover, without which it will be impossible to install the battery EN-EL18 to the block MB-D12.
D850
Nikon D850 in normal FX mode can shoot at 7 fps (at any quality settings). If the camera is used with a battery pack MB-D18 and battery EN-EL18b (from Nikon D5) then the speed will increase to 9 fps.
20, 20
Maximum speed cameras Nikon D7100 и D7200 in normal cropping mode, the DX is 6 fps and is available in JPEG or RAW format, but only using 12-bit color depth. In DX cropping mode and 14-bit color depth in RAW format, the speed drops to 5 fps. Cameras can be accelerated and shot at the maximum possible speed of 7 fps, but only in the 1.3X framing mode in JPEG format, or in RAW format, but only when using 12-bit color depth. In framing mode 1.3X and 14-bit color depth of the RAW format, the speed drops to 6 fps.
Nikon D100
The maximum speed of the camera is 3 k \ c, but due to the fact that the camera writes data to the memory card very slowly, after filling the frame buffer Nikon D100 takes 1 frame in 6 seconds when using RAW format without compression and 40 seconds when using RAW format with compression. Apparently the camera processor spends a lot of time compressing files. The recording speed does not depend on the type and capacity or speed of writing / reading a memory card. The result is 0.025 frames per second (RAW, 12 bit, lossless compression).
D5300, D5500 and D5600
Nikon D5300, D5500, D5600 shoot at a maximum speed of 5 f / s in JPEG or RAW format, but only when using 12-bit color depth. At 14-bit color depth in RAW format, the speed drops to 4 fps.
Nikon z7
Nikon Z7 shoots at a maximum speed of 9 fps in JPEG or RAW format, but only when using 12-bit color depth. At 14-bit color depth in RAW format, the speed drops to 8 fps.
Nikon z6
Nikon Z6 shoots at a maximum speed of 12 fps in JPEG or RAW format, but only when using 12-bit color depth. At 14-bit color depth in RAW format, the speed drops to 9 fps.
Nikon z7 ii
Nikon Z7 II shoots at a maximum speed of 10 fps in JPEG or RAW format, but only when using 12-bit color depth. At 14-bit color depth in RAW format, the speed drops to 9 fps.
Nikon z6 ii
Nikon Z6 II shoots at a maximum speed of 14 fps in JPEG or RAW format, but only when using 12-bit color depth. At 14-bit color depth in RAW format, the speed drops to 10 fps.
Conclusion on the speed of Nikon cameras
I am seeing a serious problem with Nikon cameras related to the difficulty of shooting in RAW format with 14-bit color depth. I connect these problems with insufficiently powerful processors, and therefore I think that high-profile statements about the use of modern high-performance processors are just a marketing move and do not help cameras shoot faster.
Also, it is unfortunate that in order to achieve high shooting speeds, many Nikon cameras need to buy all kinds of accessories.
On the other hand, Nikon cameras can easily increase burst speed by using the crop mode (DX, 1.2X, 1.3X, 2X, 5: 4) that Canon cameras do not have.
Canon camera rate of fire
Canon cameras also have features related to the maximum burst speed. They are mainly associated with different shooting speeds in RAW \ JPEG format and an increase in shooting speed during focus lock.
Canon 1DX, Canon 1DC
The maximum burst speed in normal mode is 12 fps (but only at ISO values up to 25600). When using the super-high-speed continuous shooting mode, the maximum shooting speed will be 14 fps, but the shooting will be performed with the mirror raised, as a result of which all frames in the series will be taken with the focus set in the first frame (focus will be fixed). Also, 14 fps is available only when shooting in JPEG format. When using ISO 32000 or higher, burst speed will drop to 10 fps. The camera also has some small features related to the temperature regime. Actually, 14 fps not realsince they cannot be shot using RAW and tracking focus.
Canon 1DX MarkII
The maximum burst speed in normal mode is 14 fps. When using the super-high-speed continuous shooting mode, the maximum shooting speed will be 16 fps, but the shooting will be performed with the mirror raised, as a result of which all the frames in the series will be taken with the focus set in the first frame (focus will be fixed).
Canon 1DX Mark III
The maximum burst speed in normal mode is 16 fps. When using Live View, the burst speed will be 20 fps.
Canon 1000D
In the mode JPEG the camera can shoot at a speed of 3 frames per second, but when switching to RAW (or RAW + JPEG) image quality mode, speed drops to 1.5 frames per second. Eventually Canon 1000D Is the slowest burst speed of any Canon and Nikon DSLR.
Canon 1100D
In the mode JPEG the camera can shoot at a speed of 3 frames per second, but when switching to RAW (or RAW + JPEG) image quality mode, speed drops to 2 frames per second.
Canon Speed Summary
With burst speed, Canon’s cameras are much simpler than Nikon’s. The two indicated amateur cameras in the Canon line-up are simply slowly shooting in RAW format, and the most TOP cameras simply climb out of their skin to show 14-16 fps. I note that for Canon there is no need to buy anything extra to shoot at the stated maximum speeds, and indeed, everything is much simpler than Nikon's.
Frame buffer
The performance of cameras is very much affected frame buffer. But, unfortunately, it is very difficult to perform a tabular analysis on the frame buffer for each camera. Please share your thoughts on the frame buffer for different Nikon and Canon cameras in the comments.
TOP 11 cameras with the largest number of Megapixels among Nikon \ Canon cameras
Also, performance can be easily described by the simplest method - the number of megapixels on the camera sensor. And here Canon comes out on top.
| Amount MP | Exact number of pixels | Models |
| 50,3 | 50320896 |
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| 45,4 | 45441024 |
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| 36,2 | 36152320 | |
| 32.5 | 32294400 | |
| 30.1 | 30105600 |
Global Outcomes
- An indication that some kind of image processor is used in a particular camera does not say anything concrete. Nevertheless, I am pleased to realize that in most TOP cameras Canon uses dual processors.
- Nikon and Canon almost keep the parity with the fastest cameras.
- The camera with the largest number of megapixels is constantly moving from legion to legion
- Many Nikon cameras have a maximum burst speed limit due to various conventions. In short, in order to increase the speed of continuous shooting in such cameras, one should either sacrifice image quality (lower the color depth), or lower the resolution (use crop modes), or buy additional peripheral devices (spend extra money).
In general, judging about the performance of systems is very difficult, both systems are very strong.
I expressed my opinion and justification, I await your bright thoughts on this subject in the comments.
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Well, it started!
If Kenon is a little faster in speed with a dual processor, it is logical to assume that Nikonovsky percent is still more powerful, it is scary to imagine what would happen if Nikon was made dual-processor.
The situation is similar to the Apple Macintosh G5 with its two processor system from the company Motorola. Performance on which it was possible to achieve only due to two slop processors and a huge amount of RAM, while the PS had a maximum of 128 MB, managed to shove 768 MB of e-mail. Hence the supposedly brutal performance. But the price was sky-high.
In general, Canon is straining at all costs on two processors, and Nikon is half a step behind on one. And here is Nikon D5's release soon, so he announced honest 14 fps, in ONE process.
In short, Nikon steers, blah blah blah, etc. etc. :)))
And not all the same, what processor and number?) Shvidshe means shvidshe. Here the situation is similar, if there seemed to be a double-core processor - a stump for 3 GHz is not hard, or two cores to wind at 2 GHz are all the more beautiful and economical.
According to observations, Sony usually sounds instead of an iPhone.
Especially in my vipadka this:
buzzing!
"Basically, Canon is struggling on two processors, and Nikon is half a step behind on one."
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logic - but if the trolleybus is untied the sticks, there will be generally the fastest car))))
Bullshit! Just to blurt out something?
this is nonsense
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If Kenon is slightly faster in speed with a dual processor, it is logical to assume that Nikonovsky percent is still more powerful, it is scary to imagine what would happen if Nikon was made dual-processor.
The situation is similar to the Apple Macintosh G5 with its two processor system from the company Motorola. Performance on which it was possible to achieve only due to two slop processors and a huge amount of RAM, while the PS had a maximum of 128 MB, managed to shove 768 MB of e-mail. Hence the supposedly brutal performance. But the price was sky-high.
In general, Canon is straining at all costs on two processors, and Nikon is half a step behind on one. And here is Nikon D5's release soon, so he announced honest 14 fps, in ONE process.
In short, Nikon steers, blah blah blah, etc. etc. :)))
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the situation has absolutely nothing to do with your example, or rather, nothing more to do with the trolleybus.
the carcass is more like a TV. nobody cares what is there for the percent inside. It is important that the entire device produces the declared characteristics.
If it’s important for you to deal with processors, study their performance.
the performance of the carcass is important - study all the processes there that affect it.
For example, if in Nikon, the percent is not very busy with primitive AF and does not measure the exposure in this way, then it is obvious that the second is simply not needed.
if in the top kenon one selected percentage is occupied only by AF with tracking movement along the cross and two cross points, then the result is different.
to draw conclusions that Nikon percent faster is naive)))
50m trolley bus does any benzepelatz
Ah, so that’s why trolleybuses in our cities travel even faster than minibuses!
and Porsche -)
the motor is more high-torque and the moment picks up faster
Good afternoon, captain!
Oh well!!! even Porsche))))
Not high-torque. An electric motor can instantly develop maximum torque for it, unlike internal combustion engines, that's all.
what nonsense with a trolley bus? can only everything yes for a turn ???
Despite my sympathy for Nikon, I must admit - the last five years, Canon has been more technological. And for some reason Nikon doesn't do anything about it. And time, kagbe, dictates.
Kenon has long been more technologically advanced.
Nikon was not going to do FF while Kenon had already released him. As a result, Nikon did FF.
Nikon did not intend to switch to CMOS while Kenon had already switched. As a result, Nikon did.
Nikon has just started working with fluorite while Kenon has been using it for a long time. Kenon already produces lenses with the latest BR element, Nikon has nothing similar yet.
Nikon has no matrices.
Nikon did not dare to change the mount due to which he can no longer do AF lenses 1.2 and better
Nikon’s carcasses lack precise AF tuning for two-point zooms
Nikon has not had new AF modules for many years, there are no double crosses, Nikon endlessly remakes modules 5-7 years ago, there is nothing like a double pixel
Nikon uses ancient jumping aperture technology
Nikon has had big quality problems in recent years, the list has already been laid out.
And how does the mount limit the aperture and what is the need for aperture greater than 1,2?
what is the need for aperture ratio of more than 1,2
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whoever has a need knows why. for many, 5.6-8 is enough.
in detail with examples - see reviews of elek 1.2 from kenon. and even with a higher aperture ratio.
"And how does the bayonet limit the aperture?"
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mount sizes are directly related to the placement of contacts and their compatibility.
Within the F mount, it is impossible to place all the necessary contacts for AF lenses 1.2 and better. Sigma engineer in detail told in an interview how difficult it was to make even 35mm 1.4 for Nikon.
simplified, compatibility with MS_DOS is probably cool and useful for lovers of antiquity, but it severely limits the rest. ))) Kenon dared to change the mount at the time and did not lose.
I still don’t understand why it’s impossible to make 1,2 under a Nikon mount.
I think they just do not want, because commercial effectiveness from 1,2 is likely to be small.
Not certainly in that way. The fact is that the diameter of the Nikon "hole" is 10mm. less than that of Kenon (at one time Nikon did not dare to change the size for compatibility of new cameras with old lenses, but Kenon changed it). And now Nikon physically cannot fit a lens of this size with a motor into this “hole”. And about “they don't want to” ... Nikon has lenses with such aperture. If I'm not mistaken, 3pcs. But they are all manual.
By the way, there is a cool (Sino-German) 40mm lens. with aperture of 0,85 http://fototips.ru/technics/handevision-ibelux-40-085/ Judging by the price, the commercial effectiveness is quite large :)
This lens will probably be on sale soon. The lens will be available for cameras with Sony (NEX), Fujifilm X, Canon EOS M and Micro 4/3 mounts. The MSRP is $ 2080. It seems so far that it will be sold in China for 1000-1200 US dollars. Here is a real photo of him ...
Extra large MDF for 40 mm.
So why, when you shoot the same picture of NIKON and CANON, with absolutely the same parameters, NIKON produces a sharp, juicy picture with correct color rendition, while CANON has a dull, faded, greenish look. I have not tested it once. This is what I call a lice check.
Canon has more blue. Especially the amateur ones. On the pro - with color everything is ok. But the Nikons of recent years have a tendency to green. This is especially noticeable in the skin tone.
But Nikon is still nya ^ _ ^
Rather purple. Leica doesn't like ideal cameras. But the price ...
+++ totally agree. 100% you're right.
The article examined the performance of procs on the principle of a black box
input-box-output.
in reality, if we are talking about the performance of the processors, we should not forget what they are still busy with besides sending the RAV, about the OS, etc.
for example, a percent must have time to re-focus each time during serial shooting, measure exposure, BB, etc.
FF Kenon definitely works more accurately in auto BBs, expositions, a number of cameras have a much more complex AF system, including double crosses that Nikon does not have.
by and large, the user should not be interested in what percent in the camera at all.
a lot of people know what processes are on TVs?
I agree with the author - "Canon's system is stronger in terms of the general concept of 'performance'." this is obvious enough to everyone except Nikon fanatics.
Nikon is atstoy.
Do you feel better?
I respect your opinion.
“The document is, of course, compiled correctly,” however, let's remember the “fullness” of megapixels of different systems. For example, the maximum raw file of the Fuji S5Pro (12MP) weighs the same as the raw file of the Nikon D3200 (24MP), i.e. information in Fuji's raves, for each MP, is twice as much - and this is the color and DD. The Nikon D800 has a maximum raw file size of 75MB (36MP), information per pixel, comparable to the S5Pro. I looked at several raw files with 5DSR - size from 52 to 69MB (50MP), i.e. information per pixel is noticeably less than in the three-year-old D800.
size comparison is useless.
You do not know how much official information is there and how much is useful. for example, Nikon D8xx uses transmission compression. which, after being unclenched, can give redundant overhead information.
Fuji is a non-standard RAV. no one knows how much information is needed for a demosaic because of its non-standard nature.
on the other hand, the D5100 has file compression, the D7000 does not. files are absolutely identical in picture quality. It was checked by many.
Naturally, we cannot know for sure what is inside the rabbis, however, comparing the size is not useless, it is indirect, but it makes it possible to estimate the amount of information. In D800 there is a difference between a file without compression (75MB) and a file with lossless compression (45MB), it is also in the D5100, D7000 files, they simply did not reveal it :)
Yuri, you do not understand.
all D8xx use TRANSMISSION compression - i.e. the data stream is compressed and transmitted before being written to the RAB, and uncompressed before being written to the card.
Do not confuse file compression with file compression.
in principle, and it doesn’t matter. the result is important.
and there is no difference between D5100 and D7000 files in quality. if no one detected it, then the difference is less than the measurement error)))
if you really need to, on the D5100 you can use 3 RAV formats, with an identical picture in the end. )))
all D8xx use TRANSMISSION compression - i.e. the data stream is compressed before being written to the RAV, transmitted; before being written to the card, it is decompressed.
And it is possible in more detail, preferably with proofs to the source.
in detail, everything has been chewed for a long time since the release of the D800.
with graphs. and nikon did not mind.
due to the fact that they used a single data channel for pictures and videos. By the way, many pros associate the color problems in D8xx with this approach.
if you're interested, use google and third-party programs to analyze RAVs from D8xx.
You are not able to confirm your theory with proofs?
this is not a theory but facts.
for example, the earth is round - a fact. unobvious. )))
although for someone - a theory. )))
like Ohm’s laws, Planck’s constant, Pi number, etc.
if you do not know how to use Google to find already published material, how to open RAV to see the structure of a third-party program and sincerely believe in Nikon's infallibility, it is useless to explain to you. )))
as an option, ask directly in the Nikon service)
Sliff is protected! :)))
those. Was Google too complicated for you to find? )))
here is a schedule for you with D800- enjoy.
I hope you will not have problems understanding him? )))
Alexey, I understood everything for a long time, I hope the rest of the readers too. At the moment, about 35% of the comments under this article are yours, all aimed at praising Canon and humiliating Nikon. You were able to respond to almost every post that shows Nikon's strengths, and in a "don't pay attention to it" style. Some of the comments have the same focus - a description of the merits of the third penny. You are doing your job so zealously that you repeat the same phrases through two comments. Other comments from you directly contradict each other - at first you say that the user should not care what is inside the camera (Canon, as I understand it), but that the output is important, and immediately you start showing graphs of the alleged data transfer in Nikon. Speaking of the graph, in any graph the coordinate axes must be signed, and where does it say that it is related to the D800? And your beloved Google, when asked to find this picture in the internet, finds nothing. All your arguments are incomprehensible screenshots and the words "google". And comparing your words about the D800's shortcomings with Ohm's law and Planck's constant is generally the finish. You repeat from article to article, and this has become familiar. Calling your readers “Nikon fanatics”, you absolutely do not notice the number of your fanatical posts about Canon. You probably get paid well for this :), but you don't need to replay it, it can work as anti-advertising. The most interesting thing is that you said that you own both the third dime and the D800. What could be easier - put two cameras side by side on tripods, with approximately the same lenses and take several pictures with the same exposure pairs and at the same ISO. And after that, upload the raves to the Internet, so that everyone can compare and draw their own conclusions. Instead, from article to article, we hear only words from you and see incomprehensible zhpegs. I hope the Canonists will read my words and deprive you of the prize :) PS Reader Roman is an example of an adequate photographer who works with two systems and whose opinion you can listen to.
Bravo Yuri! Voiced my thoughts, though too soft. In general, my suspicions crept in that Alex was our man, for he was doing Kenon excellent anti-advertising. He seems to be for Kenon, but so much, aggressively and out of business, that the mere mention of Kenonon is annoying.
The rest of the guys are kenonists, please do not accept at your own expense.
It is enough to take RAW from Nikon D610 / 750/810 and from Canon 5D MIII and pull in the converter. The difference will be immediately visible - amazing plastic Nikon files and a full tree with Canon banding. Enough to fill in that the size does not matter and so on, and so on ...
I completely agree!! I wanted to add THIS to the discussions !! To talk CORRECTly about performance, you need to add WEIGHT in megabytes (the amount of information with which the processor works) ... And then it MAYBE a completely different picture !!! And so it turned out a pseudoscientific study)))
The good news is that Nikon allows you to shoot at high speed AND with high image quality, because focus and metering are maintained. He is in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8vaq1LQGeE subtly hints that the cards are non-rubber)
IMHO, they need to wake up, so to speak, on the subject of processors.
Well, the pursuit of megapixels is such an ancient topic that it’s even scary to think about it.
Arkady, when will this already happen? When will you change the system?)))) Since you are writing about the Nikon / Canon opposition, it means that you think about it 5 times more!
asshole this canon. and they speak better with vidos ...
According to the video, it definitely wins ...
From the photo - the taste and color ...
IMHO, “burst rate” is a rather controversial indicator.
I explain with the example of another company :)
Here -
Sony NEX-5n has a shooting speed of 10 frames per second
at the maximum resolution of the frame 4912 x 3264 (16 Mpx),
a
Sony A5000 has a shooting speed of 3,5 frames per second
at the maximum resolution of the frame 5456 x 3632 (20 Mpx).
It turns out,
what's the old NEX-5n performance
The processor is cooler [= 160.327.680] than the new A5000 [= 69.356.672].
So?!
Ask Eduard Stelmakh, he will definitely answer you - Canon! http://stelmakh.com/canon-vs-nikon-dorogoj-eksperiment/ I use a Nikon system and at this stage everything suits me, and in order to compare and determine which system is better, you need to have a decent amount of money available, experiment and choose the system that suits you (depending on what tasks). And so, I think, the owners of the Nikon system will argue that their system is cooler, and the owners of Canon - the opposite!
for some purposes, Kenon is better, for some Nikon. often no difference.
From the experience of working with three Canon carcasses (550D, 6D, 5D III) and two Nikon carcasses (D5100, D750) - for non-specific tasks (simple reportage, studio shooting without a claim to gloss) - there is no difference at all - who is more convenient and ergonomic.
For special tasks - in different ways. An additional camera for filming (in addition to Red or Blackmagic) is definitely Canon. As a fixing camera for scientific equipment - so far Nikon (google about Canon with 4 million ISO) - t. works better at high ISO.
ZY Despite the fact that I am a convinced Canonist, I like the color rendition of the latest Nikons more ... Here is such a paradox)
hmm, but this is curious. And which are the last nikons, and is it possible with examples?
I’ll shove my five cents: at least Nikon d810 has better color rendering than d800 and d600 / 610. In mnu d810, I compared my friend with d800 and d600; in d800, in comparison with d810, the white balance tends to greens, this is especially noticeable on skinntons. Examples, alas, I will not throw off, because I am writing from a smartphone
Just redone Picture Control, if you shot in RAW even on an old camera, you can apply Picture Control from the new cameras in Cupture nx-d. At least now Vivid does not turn people into bright red Indians (although playing around in the settings is possible)
Roman, on the whole, I agree with you.
color is a subjective matter.
IMHO, the main problem of Nikon is quality problems and there is no replacement for the ancient D700, there is no universal FF analogue of 5DM3.
Performance (rate of fire) is largely marketing.
Here I have a Canon 6D with a V + processor and a Canon 5D mark III with the same processor (according to the manufacturer), and my rate of fire is 4,5 versus 6 fps for the brand. So the brand also has a bit less pixels. So they (manufacturers) took and decided that the mark should be cooler than 6D and, accordingly, much more expensive.
the rate of fire also depends on the mechanics, the buffer, the card controller, and software limitations.
It is quite possible that these are software restrictions, otherwise few people will buy a “penny”. There is not much, here a little, but in fact it is difficult to get something better, so you have to castrate some moments.
The 6D camera is excellent but it's still a replacement for 5DM2, there is a difference with 5DM3.
- another shutter
- another buffer
- plastic screen
- shutter speed limits 1/4000
- sad AF
I think that the reason is the low rate of fire of 6D - not least in the shutter and mechanics. possibly hence the limitation of 1/4000
Do you often need a direct rate of fire? Well, yes, but the report.
I changed 6D to 5DM3 because of AF and most importantly - 1/8000.
Well, not everyone needs 1/8000, but the “little” inferior autofocus in the 6 is yes, it annoys that, in fact, only the central point is working. On a reportage, it often loses an object during maintenance (there is no such thing with a third penny)
1/8000 is really needed for outdoor portraits. You are constantly tormented by setting the filter when the sun and oncoming clouds.
and yes, AF in 6D is sad.
Well, when you have a set of 24mm 1.4 and 50mm 1.4art from sigma, which are as sharp as diarrhea in an open baby, you always want to shoot portraits only on an open hole :-)
Why remove / wear a neutral filter ??? It rested against you at 1/8000 f / 1.4, wrapped the ND8 filter (3 stops) and 1/2000 with the same aperture is available to you. The sun behind the cloud, the lighting fell by 3 stops (for example), well, set it with a filter 1 / 250-1 / 125. Or am I not understanding something?
Well, the canon already with a vidos of position passed Sony and Panasonic, yesterday you had to think about normal detailing on FullHD, today you need 4k.
According to my observations, Nikon's video can achieve a wider dynamic range of the picture, but to the detriment of noise at high ISO, this is why each manufacturer captivates with its features.
Arkady, please write an article about video shooting! they just didn’t zagazali over the corners, but such a moment as detailing at the same resolution is of interest. Nowhere, on any print resources except Drewview (and then only comparative screenshots), I did not find anything like this, though there are comparisons on YouTube. I wonder why on some cameras a clearer picture is formed, while on others it is more blurry, and I repeat the same resolution. For example, the FullHD detail of ANY kenon or Nikon on the iso100 loses FullHD dry from an inch-inch Sony camera.
I don’t know what about Sony.
here is a video of nikon and kenon, nikon ... no)))
Just what, pay attention to the study of shadows and the fact that the picture is one stop lighter. This is a feature of Nikon who needs a larger DD, he will put up with noise, and for a turn.
In reality, it is possible to use iso 6000 + noise reduction in everyday life and work, and everything is ok. Noise canceling in Kenon, it probably works harder and drives the darkest part into black, therefore there are less noises. Nikon works in a different math, if you try to do the same in post-processing as on kenon, you will get almost the same noise result
tried to shoot video on the D800. the result is worse. and rolling tent.
and the codec. read, the network was everything. cameras are not new.
I don’t care what kind of math, I completely admit that the Sony matrix produces a picture no worse.
but Nikon's strapping kills everything.
perhaps it plays a role that kenon has vast experience in camcorders.
I wanted to write that both are none, but after looking closely, I note that the picture with Nikon is more voluminous or something ... But they don't argue about tastes! I am probably a conservative, because I still can't understand why there is a video in the camera ...
I’m probably a conservative, because I still can’t understand why video is in the camera ...
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to shoot a video and not drag another device.
to shoot video from the cinematic DOF.
"What a bigger picture from Nikon or something ..."
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full of paired tests. video here is generally without options, Nikon merges Kenon with a huge difference in all respects ..
I filmed my entire adult life on Nikon, not so long ago I bought D300S and D7000 7D markIII instead of those who had already died of old age. Well, what can I say ... The only thing that Nikon is REALLY better than is the control system, especially in the D300S and other professional cameras, otherwise the Boot surpassed him in everything! The rate of fire, accuracy and tenacity of focusing, coverage of the frame with focus points, and more. Only an unusually moronic control system, when you have to poke your nose in the nose with your fingernail to adjust the aperture or make an exposure compensation, and the joystick ... In general, Nikon kept only the film D90X and F5. For the soul. Now I use Boots for work.
For me, such abstract concepts as “image quality”, “DD” and so on, I don't take into account, since in real life they do not affect almost anything.
100%
Kenon's management is often ... controversial))))
but I personally really like the 5DM3 joystick! )
I haven’t tried it, nor can I say anything about the “nickel”. Nikon is more convenient for me personally.
For me (personally for me and my goals) the ideal camera is the 7D mark III in the D300S body :)
But is the D7000 already so old?
300 with a mileage was. And the gum got wiped out. sand and dirt that came under protection wiped off the screen.
harsh!
Exactly! And why compare obviously different cameras in terms of functionality and purpose,
Do Nikon have analogues? At one time, he didn’t very badly cope with such a task, and the D300S didn’t shoot a report badly.
Count how many years between cameras
I don't care, I need it here and now. D7200 did not reach 7D mark2. That’s the whole story.
And also it is worth paying attention to the manufacturer of the matrix. The speed of reading data from it is also very important.
I think this is more relevant for the electronic shutter.
What's the difference?
big :)
not to mention the different ways of implementing an electronic shutter)
Does this somehow affect the communication speed of the matrix with the processor? Or does the shutter sister deliver light to the matrix otherwise?
Vladimir,
try to figure out how a mechanical and electronic shutter works, implementation methods, pros and cons.
you will immediately get an answer whether the readout rate affects the camera's rate of fire - whether the readout rate from the matrix is a bottleneck.
and also why the D810 has already introduced one of the electronic shutter options.
The speed of reading data from the matrix does not depend on the shutter, but on the matrix construct. Whether electronic or mechanical - a matrix, the shutter does not work with the processor.
hmmm ……….)))))))))))
It’s unfortunate that Radozhiva is slipping into such a topic, among its readers there are enough technically competent people who are happy to read truly interesting articles and are waiting for new ones. And there are enough dung-free topics on the Internet and without you. In the pursuit of attracting customers for a flame, you can lose quality audience. Arkady, please do not discredit your blog!
in general terms - perhaps I agree with you.
I think Arkady himself is now thinking about changing the system.
perhaps such a discussion will help him.
it’s difficult to be a nikonist and a wedding maker, the D700 has long been hopelessly outdated, and Nikon has no replacement.
half-hearted solutions in the form of D750 or worse D8xx are often not the best option.
This is not the first such post from Arkady.
And, apparently, not the last. Does he like this swara or something?
+1
Nikon d3x for 5000 USD and 1.8 frames per second - Nikon is really bad in terms of performance :)
It turns out that Nikon processors are still more powerful than Kenon processors, since what Nikon does with one processor Kenon has to do two of its own ..
Funny.
Thanks for the info - very helpful
does not work. no way.
if only because Nikon does not have such hardware that the processor should control.
logic - the XXX smartphone has a faster processor than the KKK smartphone simply because the smartphone has two processors and the XXX smartphone has one - is meaningless without taking into account what capabilities and what other hardware (screen, graphics core, etc.) the devices have. )))
A good selection of facts, it was interesting to read and search their cameras in the ratings.
As for me, the rate of fire is almost always a plus, and not only for the pros, but also for the amateur - more opportunity to take a good shot. And in this canon is better. A penny 40d shoots faster than the new d7200, how is this possible? Both are in the same stream type, cameras for advanced amateurs, with protection and with a hint of reportage. And as for me, the convenience of working with 40d is higher than with d7200, although this is a subjective matter.
Another thing is that DD and ISO workers in Nikon krop are usually higher than in canons. It all started with d5100, but now the gap is widening. Canon 7dm2 on the working iso loses the initial d3300, which is insulting. In ff there is also a difference, and she is also in Nikon's favor. A very important parameter for shooting, as for me. Nikon matrices are clearly better in terms of DD and ISO workers. True, for a long time, skintons (again, a subjective matter), I liked the canon more. And in general, the colors of Nikon have ended since the release of d80 / d200. But recently, Nikon seems to be correcting, in the d3300 the skin is nice, in the d7200 it is also quite comparable to the canon (although not the same, but still nicer than the old d5100 and d7000 matrices). But the controls, shooting speed and restrictions described by Arkady in the article are directly enraged in Nikon! That would put a d7 matrix in the 2dm3300 case :)
Well, in general, the topic is not for holivar, as I understand it, but for an adequate objective assessment of cameras. Those who take pictures, and not measured by pixels and working ISO, will always be able to get great shots from both systems. But still, when choosing a camera and a system, it will be useful for many to know what cameras are objectively capable of ...
Well, in general, be that as it may, while among the DSLRs I have not found a replacement for fuja c5 pro, even d80 / d200, d2x and 5d somehow lose, albeit not much :) But this is again a subjective assessment - by the objective parameters of Fuj C5 are already so far from the beginning of the list that it probably will not be included in the first 50 cameras :)
The conclusion begs one. In photography, objective parameters are not always more important than subjective ones. Sometimes an insignificant trifle is for the final photographer much more important than a bunch of objectively more significant parameters. All good! :)
If we are talking about "good color" on Nikon's CCD cameras, then the last camera with this technology was Nikon D3000, and it was presented on July 30.07.2009, 700, which is later than any d90, d3, d5000x, d300, dXNUMXs, etc.
I agree. The color of the d3000 was good and very close to the d80 / d200, I took off a lot of them, but did not think about it because of the terrible slowness and other shortcomings of the camera. It also seemed to me that the metering in it works very inaccurately.
Looking at the cameras through the prism of their price, it is not clear to me why the d3000 costs like the d80, although in fact the latter is a cut above, albeit older. I bought the d80 for 4 thousand, for the d3000 for 5. True, now the d80 has risen in price, but the difference with the d3000 is still small.
I think Sony will freeze both
Judging by how the desktop market is shrinking, fewer people worry about processors and more about results and convenience. And here so suddenly a shot from the past
The topic is exclusively flood. Canon / Nikon is more a matter of faith.
It is interesting to push the systems with the film in the forehead :) And all the questions on DD and rate of fire will go away:
EOS-1V, ... shooting speed with a movable mirror - 10 frames per second in single-frame autofocus mode and 9 with tracking focus! 3,6 seconds and a 36-frame movie shot :)
Let's beat the opposite systems! Well this is much easier than taking pictures and learning to do it! Forum users (I mean theorists and who have never encountered this in practice), have the advantage not to discuss these issues! Thanks!
By the way, colleagues, hundreds of comments are coming soon, and the likes of just over 30 have exceeded. We must help the project.
http://fujifilmru.livejournal.com/17230.html
http://fujifilmru.livejournal.com/17426.html
Dilute the argument, which is cooler.
First link questions
second answers.
The result is very busy.
Thank you, Andrey. For me, the most interesting thing in the article is the raves, which you can download and compare yourself. A very informative comparison.