Probably the most difficult question when choosing a modern camera is the choice of system. By system, photographers usually mean one of the brands: Nikon, Leica, Canon, Sony, Pentax, Olympus, etc. The system allows you to build up your potential. So, for example, having bought a camera, it can be supplemented with new lenses, external flashes, battery packs, memory cards, remote controls and other buns. The more developed the system, the better. Here I will express my subjective opinions on the choice of a system for a digital narrow format (crop and full frame, please do not write in the comments about any medium format Hassel, etc.) with automatic focus support.
System Selection
Probably the most common question I am asked by ordinary people, amateur photographers and even some professionals is 'Nikon or Canon?' I have already jokingly touched on this topic. here and jokingly touched on this topic here... But it turns out that modern digital photography isn't just about Nikon and Canon. For the summer of 2015, a clear hierarchy for choosing a system has formed in my head. There is a hierarchy for two cases - when a camera / system is chosen by an amateur and a system / camera is chosen by a professional.
So if I was lover, and didn’t know which camera with interchangeable lenses I could buy, then I would be guided very, very much in choosing a system simple rule.
What system does your friend / colleague / brother / sister / uncle / aunt / dad / mom / Mamimi Samejima (girl from the poster) / teacher at the photo school / acquaintance, etc. removes, you should buy the same system.
My practice shows that this is a very wise decision, which in the future will greatly help you in your career growth. Photographers, even amateurs, support each other. It is very good when you have compatibility between your photographic equipment and that of your friends. This allows you to quickly exchange not only technology, but also experience, expands your horizons and makes your religion the system is stronger.
By the way, this spring, it just so happened, most of the weddings I shot on the lenses of my colleagues, because at the moment I just do not have a normal portrait :).
In the case of a stalemate situation, for example, when you do not have friends who have a camera, I recommend looking at the system that your favorite photographer takes. If you don’t have a favorite photographer, you can look, for example, at 500px.com, choose your favorite pet and look at what he is doing his masterpieces. If you don’t have a favorite photographer, either, or he will wipe all night long EXIF data from my masterpieces, I suggest using my subjective hierarchy for professional photography.
My subjective hierarchy of systems for digital narrow format (all kinds of mirrors / mirrorless there for crop or full frame) with support for auto focus for the summer of 2015 for bias to professional photography:
Canon # 1
Anyway, Canon is the number one system. A system that is always one step ahead. Canon is the first full-frame camera (among the competitors listed). The first full-length camera available. The first full-frame camera with adequate video recording. First autofocus system for f / 1.2 and f / 1.0 lenses. Large park of optics. Excellent system compatibility. A huge park of cameras for any photo task. Well thought out and logically correct periphery. And most importantly, it just so happened that most professional photographers shoot with Canon. Read the remaining 100500 advantages in the comments to this entry.
Nikon # 2
I have been working with Nikon for a very long time and I know all their jambs with which I constantly have to put up with. Due to the jambs and stiffness in development, Nikon is only second in 2015. But at the same time, if you grasp the essence of Nikon, then there is nothing better than this black and yellow logo! A bayonet with a very ancient history, a huge park of optics, well-thought-out peripherals, the only 'fighter' who can wipe Canon's nose :).
Sony # 3
Sony is a system with big ambitions. Sony has taken the world of photography seriously with Konica Minolta. Honestly, I really like this company. Collaboration with Carl Zeiss, full-format mirrorless cameras, full-format SLTs, the shortest flange distance of all digital cameras, extensive experience in matrix construction, a large fleet of Sony / Minolta lenses, matrix stabilization! And although I recommend it as a third alternative system, personally, if I abandoned Canon, I would simply switch to Sony. The future belongs to ideas and technologies, something that Nikon has long forgotten :(.
I did not include other manufacturers in the TOP for one important reason - the lack of full-size CZK. I believe that the crops are Pentax, Fuji, Olympus (ah, my dear Olik), Panasonic, etc. can not compete in the professional segment with the full frame of the top three.
Yes, and in fact professionals themselves know exactly what they need, what to spend money on and this my TOP for them does not matter. Only those who do not have experience working with them are eyeing systems. So, professionals who accidentally get to Radozhiva do not be offended by my TOP :).
And a small postscript. Personally, by and large, I don’t care what to shoot, you can get used to everything very quickly... I try to track myself and clearly understand that my personal habits and preferences are not yet a sign of something good or bad. Many users of this or that system are very fanatically in love with their system for one simple reason - they did not shoot for something else :). And even if they were filming, it was not enough, without understanding the essence of another system. Therefore, I can say with a great deal of truth that the opinion of many commenting here on Radozhiv, or on others forums / blogs / platforms - wrong :). Remember, important how to take pictures, and not using any photo equipment.
We share info with others. Thanks for attention. Arkady Shapoval.
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Those who write that Nikon is not for portraits, blue, piglet, green, etc.
1 Buy an IPS monitor.
2 Use only native lenses.
4 Calibrate the monitor with a calibrator.
5 Process NEF files only !!! at Nikon Capture NX.
And you will be happy.
I did it all to 5 points, sat in CNX for 2 hours and realized that time and nerves were more expensive. Lightroom and Canon make the result easier and faster
I will subscribe. I made a device for digitizing film from an overhead projector, a powerful flashlight and a matte screen, I was shooting Nikon1 + manuals from the USSR enlargers, when I came to a photo in a forest 20 years ago, where I was eating shish kebabs in a corduroy sweatshirt that was preserved, I noticed that its color was not correct. began to twist the color. next was Canon ultrazoom, he took them off - the ideal true real color. I rested on Nikon and began to twist in all programs. The month spun. CNX, Camera Raw, Photoshop, XnView, PaintNet, native. I got to the point that I got colossal experience in color correction, barely brought the color of clothes closer to the present. I compared it with a canon snapshot, all the same, the twisted one is wrong - the greenery has suffered, then there are traces of twisting, then the skin tone. I twisted it again - stubborn - like everything is okay at last, I compare it with a canon - yes * bless your mother, not that. As a result, I re-shot everything on Canon. But the faces are alive and the color of the clothes is exactly like in reality.
And why so many, excuse me, hemorrhoids, if you can get the result immediately? And what does the monitor and its calibration have to do with if on some cameras a good result is visible immediately and without processing, but on others it is not? Or do you propose to set up a monitor for Nikon cameras and look at pictures on it only from one of your cameras, without publishing them on the network (who suddenly looks at an uncalibrated monitor) and without printing them?
Before writing such comments, just read at least one article about monitor calibration and why you need it.
I perfectly understand what calibration is and why it is needed, the question was different - why on equally calibrated (albeit NOT calibrated) monitors there are no complaints about Canon, Nikon? If Nikon has skin tone issues - how does monitor calibration change that fact? Well, suppose you achieve that everything will be fine on your monitor - will something change on others?
And why are the constant advices “Shoot in RAW, then take pictures! Exclusively in native software! And then all the colors will be correct”, if photos from the camera require mandatory editing - then something is wrong with it? Why does Canon give results right away? Some questions)))
This is your one question. And you said nonsense.
Well, yes, but there’s nothing to answer.
You might think you wrote something on the case.
I subscribe to every word of Denis. Everything is correct. Bright, your problem is that you have never shot with a normal human skin tone camera (such as D200 or D50). D5100 and D7100 are at your disposal - cameras, although far from the worst in Nikon's, will in principle never give a normal skin tone. But what to say - a week ago he bombed a wedding with a sidekick. I'm on d200 and he is on d750. I have a normal skin tone with him - alumina + complete absence of micro-contrast (such an aggressive noise reduction as in the D750 I have never seen in my life). After that, I realized that I would not buy the d750.
If possible, attach one photo from each camera - it's interesting to compare
I am more than sure that he will not be able to do this))) because there are 1001 reasons)))
I support foty in the studio!
I think no one was holding a DSLR there. so, from the forums, more buzzwords ... ..
Your friend does not know how to configure the camera and Camera Calibration. Let him sell the D750, buy a Canon 1100D and take pictures of cats.
Little depends on the technology but:
If I didn’t want to take a steam bath and just shoot without going into technical details, I would take Canon.
If I would like to understand all the technical subtleties and learn about photography, then everything is definitely Nikon.
Clicking everything and everything in Jpeg, then definitely Fujifilm X-series.
Much money? Do you want pathos? Buy Leica!
Money still draws a pocket, then Sony with Carl Zeiss optics park.
Selfie on instagram? here only i-phone to the rescue!
The argument about “to understand all the technical subtleties” resembles a similar advice to buy a “Zhiguli” or “Volga” in order to constantly poke around in them and know the structure of the car to a bolt. Those. constantly poking around in search of solutions to various problems, from which you can get rid of initially by choosing a different technique.
Modern cameras, in fact, are very complex and technically sophisticated devices. So when buying a DSLR, a person should be prepared for the fact that sooner or later he will have to begin to understand various technical and artistic subtleties. Otherwise, why buy such equipment and not know what it is capable of.
Good move on your part
What subtleties are we talking about? Editing the skintones of Nikon cameras?))
What prevents owners of other DSLRs (and mirrorless ones) from understanding the technical details?
I beg you, the modern man is generally not ready for anything and does not want, for the most part.
Post-industrialism, back and forth. Predatory things of the century, yes. Well, you understand.
Post-industrialism is a fairy tale. Without goods, nowhere. The society of consumption is a harsh reality.
and this is the natural result of post-industrialism. without this, apparently nowhere.
Actually, post-industrialism implies the generation of ideas that you won’t be full of.
Oleg
04.06.2015/20/45 at XNUMX:XNUMX Reply
In Japan, traditionally there are large universal corporations: Mitsubishi, Yamaha, Canon, Sony, Panasonic, Fuji (if I'm not mistaken, Subaru), etc.
Do their products raise doubts about quality and popularity?
Good companies I do not argue, but by and large the products of these companies are high-quality consumer goods.
Compare for example Mitsubishi cars and Maybach. What are you talking about.
Mitsubishi makes utilitarian cars, but there is Evolyushin - not consumer goods at all.
Maybach is a Merce product which has a very high-quality mass-circulation consumer goods and exclusive cars.
Canon has fifty dollars f1.8 for 10 bucks and 1.2 for 1000.
Forget about Canon LENS EF 50mm 1: 1.0 L USM
Nikon is a structural division of Mitsubisi.
Nothing, Canon will come out without an NG filter, only with a normal number of pixels, everything will fall into place, otherwise Skinton Minton. Here is how much Arkady shot weddings and models on the D700, and nothing, everyone was happy with Skinton, apparently.
To discuss (obs @ at) someone else's brand is not good manners! All cameras from all brands are good! And labor, and brains, and technologies invested in them ... cannot be counted. The camera / lens is a brush, light is paint, but how to use it is a question of questions. Yes, now marketing has taken the mountain over common sense, and with it, and color. All remake cameras of most companies are equally bad in color (with rare exceptions) and, I think, this is due to the production of more and more programs for correcting photos (note-paid programs). Such "old people" as Fuj Propyatka, Kodak SL / R, Sony 850/900, Canon Pervopyatak, Nikon any with SSD matrix and others (both olik and pentax) - make the latest "achievements in photobuilding" in color at once. Why is this happening? The question is in the air. And I agree with Arkady: Canon comes first among the pros. A set of cameras + a set of optics (top-end) from Canon, 30 percent will be cheaper than the analog from Nikon, that's a fact.
Canon EOS 5D Mark III body + Canon EF 24-70mm f / 2.8L = $ 4215
Nikon D800E body + Nikon 24-70mm f / 2.8G ED AF-S = $ 3567
Both cameras in 2012 + top glass. What is it about 30%? Maybe you mixed up the name of the model?
The rating of consumer qualities / technical innovations / stability is determined by the purses of buyers and reflects the real rating.
There are McLaren supercars, but how many are they buying? And there is Toyota / Lexus, Honda / Accura, Nissan / Infinity, BMW / Mini, Audi / Bugatti / Skoda, Canon 1100D / Canon 1dh, etc.
According to the choice of religion, IMHO, the determining factor (in cameras with interchangeable lenses) is access to a fleet of lenses (other accessories) and the ability to quickly sell / buy for an upgrade without a lot of waste. I bought and sold used EF 35/2, 50 / 1.8, EF 17-40, Sigma 30 mm and did not lose, but somewhere I even made a couple of kopecks and experience of use. Everything suits me and I do not want to bother with Nikon or other manufacturers, UNTIL :)
You communicate on the Internet, but to use e-bay and Amazon, really, not destiny ... To overpay the grabbers nearby is yes, it is wise, to take a lens in excellent condition from some Japanese is not destiny. But to make a penny at a time when you can take pictures ... Just tryndets comrades. The girl was also chosen ???
Don't talk about that, Dim. It turned out more expensive on e-be - this time, the delivery time is much longer - 2, people use such things in the same way that in Japan, that in Ukraine or the Russian Federation - this is 3. And I did not make money for the sake of self-interest, I do not intend.
I chose a girl when there was still no Internet.
Just about that. What kind of accessibility can you talk about when online auctions are available almost everywhere? This is either an extreme degree of nearness or a desire to deceive. You want to say that at a huge auction prices are higher than at your local flea market? The original pose. Are you one of those who need to file everything immediately? A week, two wait in any way? On the second point, no, this is not so, all people are different, I tell you as a person who bought 19 lenses and two cameras at auction
Yes, ebee now prices are higher than at flea markets in the city, definitely.
The only plus of the ebay now is to get all sorts of lenses that are not very common in our thickets (unlike ordinary fifty dollars), such as the early 35-105 and others like them.
and getting to low-quality goods can be done just as easily, and the trouble with the return of money and goods is much more than at a meeting to inspect and figure out what's what.
If you live in Moscow (figuratively). In some distant town, this meeting may never take place. That’s where people risk…. Sometimes they get burned. But what to do? C est la vie.
I do not understand, you that, the girl - more expensive - on u-bay or Amazon took, or in excellent condition, from the Japanese ??
Ha
Ha. Funny. I mean that a girl is usually not chosen for the availability of dresses and shoes. Or because everyone is exactly the same or similar, and if you can ask for advice or change there ... And ebay, despite the fact that one should not invent difficulties to reduce the curvature of one's own hands
What are you actually risking there? Well, they stole money from me at the post office 35, nevertheless, they returned me ... Besides, there is never any risk in this life, one should not engage in self-deception. And on your flea market you will not find such a variety as on the Internet, and even seeing the lens you can hardly understand how well it has been preserved, and on the Internet there is a tough feedback until it returns. I would like to see how you return the lens to the huckster after a week of "testing"
I read today at Nikonklab: “… I screwed it through the adapter 24-120 to the first penny: the quality is amazing, especially at 12MP. I have a 17-40 / 4L shirik for a nickel, which is very good, but 24-120 is a cut taller. "
Good technique does not guarantee good pictures. However, poor technology guarantees poor shots, or drastically limits the ability of the photographer.
voice of reason in the wilderness!
You know, Arkady, you need to avoid touching on these meaningless topics in your blog, such as “which system is better”, “which camera is the coolest”… After that, the blog turns, I apologize, into “srach”… Do you need it? Before touching on this topic, it was quite interesting ...
I agree. The reason, I think, is that doubts arose in the soul of Arkady himself.
perhaps this is a forced measure ...
... is designed to increase traffic to the resource.
Exactly! Check out the commentary on dinosaur lenses. There are 15-30 comments in total. We must somehow raise the activity)
srach and pops increases attendance :)
People are very suspicious.
There are more defenders of nikon than kenon. I honestly say on the drum the second or third would be kenon. For my modest tasks, any budget camera and 1100d and 3100d are suitable. But the bonuses of kenon are the ability to put Soviet optics without hemorrhoids, there is no difficulty with a screwdriver, buy any lens and put it, but you still have to pay an extra penny for a screwdriver, I like the color rendering from kenon, but this is subjective, well, all these disputes around skinton if they being conducted, then there is still some kind of problem. Although the victory is noisy for Nikon. Plus, the equivalent optics of kenon is cheaper than Nikon, again, you pay a pretty penny. And why all these difficulties in the face of screwdrivers, alterations of old optics, extra penny. I do not see any supernatural superiority of Nikon over Kenon, however, as well as vice versa. So why the extra troubles. From myself, I note Nikon - it is still more a religion than Kenon, just like Fuji
There is a "debate" about the skin tone, mainly by the owners of NEW Nikons (d7000-d800e) and OLD Canon (Pervopyatak, Mark2), well, Canon still has 1dx colorful - EVERYTHING! And if we compare cameras of the same period, they do not differ radically in skin tone / color - the old ones are doing well, the new ones are not. Sleep breeders also enter into a dispute, but again, A850-A900, there is no further color. THERE IS NO COLOR! I personally conducted "frontal tests" with Fuj, Pervopyatak and d3s. All cameras gave a good color result (speed af, ISO was not tested), but d7100 and 60d merged completely. But the sea of MP and ISO 3200 is quite working. Who needs WHAT ... Here is a tendency not clear. Assuming that the people who worked on the film and saw the color with IT are gone? The first digital cameras focused on TE film colors, and now a photo from a smartphone Pipol “hawked” right behind the ears. If with a simple d50 it was possible to print directly from a camzhpeg, now with d800e for kilobax, you need to spend time on RAV, and the result is all equals “stinks of a number”. Let's wait, maybe the manufacturers will come to their senses ...
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Because Nikon is cooler :) And who needs these old lenses. Why put this rarity with mediocre quality on the camera in principle? I have a bunch of photographers I know, and no one uses this ancient junk for obvious reasons. I never had a desire to install something like that on the camera. Therefore, this is not an advantage at all. This is a plus because By and large, there is nothing to “cover” the opponent. Maybe for Kenon users this is an advantage, because in the budget segment there is no optics, to put it mildly, and not everyone can pay for fir trees.
About the screwdriver. The screwdriver makes it possible to use wonderful objects for very little money. Therefore, your economy on a screwdriver, for which you have to overpay (as you say) is also very doubtful. Of course, it's much easier to stick in a 50-year-old plug and be satisfied (This also applies to Sonya :), where the son-breeders can only boast of their picking (the main argument) in our time ... Although, this is generally a separate topic)
Regarding skin tone ... This is a very bearded topic. The skinton battle has been going on for a very long time. And no one except to annoy the opponent can argue nothing normally. And the keyboard will endure everything :) There is also such a thing as self-hypnosis. A person tries to convince himself that he made the right choice and, at the same time, is ready to deny the obvious, continuing to find fault with something (skinton) of another system (although in most cases, he never compared himself with his own eyes).
For goodness sake let Nikon be the first. That is, buying a budget SLR without a screwdriver, you lose the possibility of installing a number of your own lenses, some kind of infringement on budget users up to Nikon d550. And buying a budget canon you can attach a huge fleet of third-party manufacturers and any of your own. Just Nikon is a more closed system focused on itself. Well, and Soviet optics, of course, is inferior to modern optics, no one argues with this, but sometimes click for yourself, for the soul in an unhurried environment. Moreover, it is, in principle, not a bad multi-enlightenment suffers only. Yes, and Jupiter37a is not bad
Oleg, small amendments: Nikon lenses with a screwdriver will fit any entry-level Nikon camera in which there is no screwdriver - autofocus simply will not work. In addition, you can use a lot of old Nikon lenses (however, on younger cameras, in manual mode, if the lens is not chipped - this is Nikon's strong jamb). From Soviet optics, many lenses mount on Nikon without an adapter, including the Yu-37A, Tair-11A, Helios-81N (on Helios, aperture control is available from the camera)
But then it turns out and you can put the lens on the kenon, the Nikon only, will the autofocus system not work? Is that a question? The devices meant d5300 and d5500 Nikon d550 worked analogy with kenon
You wrote the phrase: "That is, buying a budget DSLR without a screwdriver, you lose the ability to install a number of your native lenses .." - this is not true, and I answered you why - a lens with a screwdriver is installed on any Nikon camera and works great, but with manual focusing, aperture control from the camera and exposure metering also work. You can also put a Nikon screwdriver lens on Canon, but you need an adapter, the aperture control will only be the aperture ring on the lens, + manual focusing, which will be very difficult at closed apertures. This is how it turns out.
But in general, Nikon is put on kenon, but on the contrary, it is not due to different working segments. That is, again, Kenon is more open. And the canonist has the ability to shoot Nikon with old, warm, tube lenses as they like to write on the canon system. Question: That is, you can only control the diaphragm, the jumper will not work, I understand correctly?
You can control it on all Nikon lenses that have a diaphragm ring (all screwdrivers have), but not as convenient as even with the Yu-37A, which has a diaphragm preset ring, i.e. focused on the open, without looking closed the aperture to a preset value, picture. But in Nikonov there is no such ring, so you need to focus, look at the ring and close the aperture to the desired value, before the descent. Or focus on a covered diaphragm. Perhaps there are advanced adapters that can control the diaphragm, I was not interested :)
Thank you enlightened. If ever at a flea market I get an old Nikon for not expensive then I’ll buy
Another amendment, if you really want to put something Soviet or where I like FRGshny or GDRovsky on Nikon, you can use an adapter with a lens, there is (as they say) a loss in sharpness, but there is also a plus, you can change the lenses in the field and there is no dust on the matrix . I did this on the D40 and I feel great rearranging the fixes. Someone is looking for problems in everything, and someone is good. I see no reason to become an old man ahead of schedule
Guys, does it bother you that the hole in the kenon mount is 10 millimeters larger than the hole in the nikon? By the way, the Nikon bayonet was used in the shovels. This is one of Nikon's first big mistakes. When digital cameras and autofocus lenses began to be produced, Nikon did not change the bayonet size in order to use old lenses, and from 87 years old, the kenon increased the diameter to 54mm (for the Nikon 44mm). That is why Nikon cannot produce autofocus lenses with an aperture larger than 1,4. Microprocessor contacts have nowhere to hook (the hole does not allow - small).
It doesn’t bother.
worthless respected gentlemen in the hole have the embarrassment to have!
Yes, it is on sho, this f / 1.2, here on f / 1.4, sometimes it is a bit narrow with a grip :) Let's just for 10kbuck f / 0.9 - that will be namana :)
I own a Canon 70D system but I wouldn’t refuse Sony a7 II, but the price tag is quite high.
Here is a great new player in this market. More competition, less price. All the same, I would like to financially grow to a Kenon full frame and some kind of Elki with f4 aperture. Because with aperture 2.8, everything is running in terms of price. Maybe competition will force manufacturers to lower prices for a full frame to at least 800-900 American rubles. And Sony is a wonderful camera, the ability to put the optics of any manufacturer, but still I think the mirrorless ones are still damp. Yes, and affordable Soviet rangefinder optics impressed me, but there was no watering can in my grandfather’s chest. The article, by the way, is very useful if you do not get into religious wars, it could be called the choice of religion (humor)
I would advise you to first grow up to “Kenon full-frame and some kind of elk with f4 aperture” not financially, but in terms of skill.
Thank you, I will keep in mind, but your name is by chance not "unsurpassed skill"
Well, I picked up a little Kenon 650d with a 24-105 f4 L usm macro lens. I must say right away that the comparison is a little unequal, compared with nikon d7100. In order not to write a lot about optics, I will say right away that the lens sucks, kenonists can start to take offense, because $ 1000 for this shit is too much. Even my whale 18-55 with a button is lighter, but almost the same in sharpness. In the backlight it does not focus at all, crawls back and forth, because the beam of light from the sun, in the frame that behind the frame, passes just through the central focus point and you can focus only by choosing one of the extreme points that will be outside the beam. Strong geometric distortion, even 18-55 less. The only plus is chromatic aberation, I did not see at all, even a hint, on highly contrasting details. Well, it looks solid and the assembly is of high quality (still, for $ 1000). In general, not much ice, maybe the kenon has some other elks, because if everyone is like that, then well, they nafig.
Now the camera honestly tuned itself to something super cool and super professional, but even then a miracle did not happen. Although the camera is solid and looks strong, My copy is generally with a block, cool-krutetskaya. I liked the ISO button and how you can change the settings on the screen, but that's probably all that I liked. Enough for my hand is rather narrow, but this is a matter of habit, I probably remember d610 as a glove sat in my hand, and 7100 is already worse, although better than this kenon. The viewfinder is small but bright, it pleases. And the power lever is hellish hell! Why is he like that ?! Neither the index finger nor the thumb reach him! The menu seemed not very friendly, but it's garbage, you can get used to it. The joystick is generally sloppy, and it doesn’t exist as such. The touch screen is kutsevato implemented, if you do so smartphone type, of course more convenient than on the d5100, but in general it is not necessary on the camera (IMHO). In general, the impression is made up of little things, for example, the lid for the memory card is not spring loaded, sadness. I did not like the shutter sound, some kind of long, dry short crunch is more pleasant in my ear. Probably this Kenon classmate d5100.
Screenshots are too lazy to do, but due to the noise, alas, d650 blew d7100 under a clean one, and it pleases. And at the expense of skintones, this is generally nonsense that you write, invent some kind of "commercial" skintones and believe in them. I hung both cameras on my neck and thrashed them at the same settings, with the same focal and aperture in manual mode, an ideal skin tone, a 4,5 year old child moderately tanned. So there you go! RO files on both cameras are the same GREEN! Maybe due to the fact that there is a lot of greenery, trees, bushes, flowers around, but the face is really EQUALLY green from both cameras. Here in jpeg the picture is somewhat different, but not very different from each other, visually in the Keno picture there are more red and orange, and Nikon seems to be a little lacking in color. Moreover, in some cases, the color of the canon looks winning, while in others it is the other way around.
So do not care which system, if only I liked to shoot. I would love to use both systems and not take a steam bath. But still I’m sure that Nikon’s optics are better than Kenon’s, and the presence of a screwdriver is much more profitable than the ability to fasten a shovel dinosaur.
Bottom line: I'm glad I have Nikon. All good and peace!
All you can kick.
"Now the camera, honestly setting myself up for something super cool and super professional." But after all, the kenon 650d is not a professional camera and not even an advanced amateur camera, it is most likely more appropriate to compare it with the nikon d550. Professional cameras kenon start at one. Yes, mark3 is not positioned as a professional one. And as a 24mm lens on the crop is very crowded, you can attach something for 24mm
Sorry. Meant d5500 or d5300
No, I don’t think, no higher than d5100.
Judging by the price, Kenon 6xxx is rather Nikon D5xxx. I have temporarily Kenon D600, my Nikon D7000 was also played (in general, D7xxx is the top series for Nikon's crop). This is heaven and earth and there is nothing to compare them with the D7000 more expensive.
As for the comments, I agree. Ergonomics sucks, I had in my hands Nikon D3xxx series, so nicer.
At Kenon, the wheel is spinning with such a knock that I jump over the values of everything else in the same vein. The wide-angle lens (18-55) rotates with greater effort in comparison with the long focus. There is no DD at all, the pictures in the evening were burnt even in rafs.
Maybe Kenon’s expensive cameras are good, but the 600D’s price is too high.
Found two pluses: 1 rotary screen. 2. The fact that the number of ISO is initially visible in the viewfinder.
..also + canon for video mode. more convenient than nikon .. but if I want to shoot a video, I will buy a camcorder! )))
Kenon 24-105 600 bucks not a thousand
You know better, but I would not have taken for 500.
Why kick the other way around thanks for the trouble
Yes, what kind of work is there, sheer pleasure, it is a pity that time is short, if it weren’t for the work to do just that. And so half did not write what he wanted.
why kick?
you are simply comparing cameras of different classes.
Kenon 650D is the Nikon D5xxx level. compare correctly :)
take kenon 7DM2 and compare with nikon D7100 / D7200. these are cameras of the same class.
and nikon nervously smokes on the sidelines with a cropped buffer, an AF coating and an ancient AF module.
Further. kenon 24-105 / 4 - price $ 600 in whale. for this money, a normal travel zoom.
yes, darker than 4. therefore there is a new 24-70 / 4 for 800doll.
but in general 24-105 / 4 is junk.
but as you know optics nikon and kenon do not intersect. Kenon has no budget 50mm 1.4 normal, Nikon has no normal fixes of 100mm and 135mm, Nikon has no AF lenses at all 1.2.
I don’t understand your discontent, because he said that it was level 5100. And it was not a comparison, but a description of his feelings and impressions. And about the glass, you yourself called it shit. So what am I wrong about? It is clear that its shit does not smell, but this does not make it honey.
Here are the RO files I will not upload forgive. I once again confirmed for myself what I already knew: the one who does not know how to get the desired skin tone in the editor, let his whole life grind his teeth at the camera JPEG.
But the company marking a frankly mediocre lens as a luxury class, causes at least surprise and sometimes distrust. Note, before that, I did not even hold a single Kenon lens.
You said you compared the 650D and the D7100. the meaning of such a comparison?
for your information, Nikon has no less lousy lenses with a gold ring.
for example, the super unsuccessful nikon 16-35 / 4 is a rare guano in the picture, an order of magnitude worse than the canon 16-35 / 4 but also the cheaper nikon 18-35.
or more than mediocre nikon 135.
or one of the most unreliable zooms (the problem of plastic guides, repair $ 550) under the name 24-70 / 2.8. among other things, it has such a curvature of the field that it is simply difficult to work with it. it is an order of magnitude worse than 24-70 / 2.8 Mk2 kenon.
of the new Nikons - a mediocre 28mm 1.8 with poorly corrected distortion and a dry boring picture, an overly expensive but mediocre Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 58mm f / 1.4G.
so do not invent. all brands have good lenses and bad ones. the presence of a gold or red ring does not matter.
regarding RAV.
read Stelmach's article.
how would you explain - RAV records what has already passed the color channels. After them.
search the drone for “Vietnam with Nikon D750”.
the author posted a kind of review of Nikon D750 - in color it is typical Nikon, indistinguishable from Nikon D7100 / D7200 and other Nikons.
In the review there are no multi-page descriptions of the menu and those characteristics. But a lot of photos from the Nikon D750 and from Kenon. The author came to this conclusion:
“I didn't like the color rendering of this unit. Photos look like they are drawn - they don't look natural. From my point of view, there are few halftones in the pictures. But, as they say, there are no comrades in taste and color. Perhaps someone likes this color rendering. "
Do you want to edit ALL the colors in the picture? in theory, you can probably.
therefore, as a rule, Nikonists suffer from the search for the demosaic itself, the lens itself and the processing itself.
on kenon development in DPP, 2 min correction - and voila. :)
that's why bridal weddings, pros and advanced amateurs love kenon so much - processing time is minimal! :)
Oh, the kenonist has gone wrong. And I already thought where these storytellers disappeared :)
"More than mediocre Nikon 135"))) "the most unreliable zooms"))) "super unsuccessful nikon 16-35 / 4"))) "mediocre 28mm 1.8 with poorly corrected distortion and dry boring picture")))
In principle, this post does not even make much sense to comment. But, amused so amused :) Apparently burned well :)
SMALL !!!! everything you have is absolutely mediocre ...
strange, I enjoy using 28mm 1.8 precisely because of the minimal distortion and juicy picture
AF Coated? The D7100 AF covers the entire field of the frame, entirely ...
As far as I know, 7d mark 2 costs more than 2000 USD. no? and nick7100 is only 1000 ... and according to all reviewed reviews the seven differs only in burst shooting and a bottomless buffer! 10 frames per second is very cool! and with such a buffer, you can at least shoot clips. but otherwise he is no better.
How is it that Nikon does not have 135 ki? What's wrong? But what about the Nikon AF DC-Nikkor 135mm f / 2D ?? !!! DREAM!!! )))
4,5 year old child moderately tanned. So there you go! RO files on both cameras are equally GREEN! Maybe due to the fact that there are a lot of greens, trees, bushes, flowers around, but the face is really SAME green from both cameras.
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Can you give a link to the RAVs?
have already said many times - the difference in skin tone is visible roughly on white. the darker and more yellow the skin, the less the difference. therefore skintone, say for Asians on cameras, nikon differs little from kenon.
in detail
stelmakh.com/backstage/?p=8431
Canon 5D Mark 3 vs Nikon D750 - skin tone - Canon 5D Mark 3 vs Nikon D750 - skin tone
http://vmirefoto.blogspot.ca/2014/12/canon-5d-mark-3-vs-nikon-d750-skin-tone.html
Forgive me for interfering, but in the article in which you are citing some kind of crap :) If I saw a test photo without captions, I would decide about which camera was shot exactly the opposite.
And I didn't quite understand it: “To edit this photo from the D750, I had to make some adjustments to correct the BB error. The Canon photo was made a little warmer, but it was necessary not to touch it. At the moment, the Nikon D750 has only a tendency to warm up in cloudy weather. "
It is heating in what mode WB? Why not introduce BB correction? Or put BB in Kelvin? And if I did correct it, then why did I not correct it to the end, correct it, then there is nothing left to diminish the yellowing? :)
oops, got into the original source - there is a car BB test ... Well, I don’t know, I have antediluvian thinking, I don’t use a car bb, except occasionally, in a night city, it seems to me that I use less processor, maybe I don’t right :)
or maybe not oops - d750 is to the right half a meter from d4s and without a hood - not critical, but it can probably affect the autoBB.
from discussion of skinton in photo ru
Assumptions have been made / opinion:
- that in the light areas Nikon has a magenta-red fill;
- that Nikon is warm and green at the same time;
- what
“Recently I discussed this topic with a very good photographer, or rather the topic of Nikon's skin tone, what is the problem. We just touched on the topic of Sony matrices that Nikon uses and their noises.
We came to the conclusion that Nikon uses anti-aliasing algorithms, conditionally non-deactivated noise reduction from the lowest to the highest ISO, to make low ISO 100-200 clean and not noisy. In Canon, low ISOs are noisy, but they seem to create a certain texture on the skin with their digital noise, there are halftone transitions and micro-contrast is not affected, and Nikon at the same time smooths out this noise and it turns out, what we often observe, faces are flat no halftones, the skin tone is controversial, there is no micro-contrast, and not always, but quite often ...
And there is no doubt that the same D750 as a puppy will do the same 5D3 wherever it is not a question of color and photography of living people and skin tone in general. "
The difference IMHO is obvious.
if anyone does not see her. do not forget that more than 70% of people hardly distinguish shades of color ...
Offtopic. Well, why so much about Soviet optics, these shovel dinosaurs will survive us and you can squeeze a lot of them. Helios-44-2
The same many-faced gelik
He is at infinity
Mir-1v
Jupiter-37a. Everything is filmed in a jeep without processing. Just when a person buys a camera, there is not always the opportunity to get the right glasses right away. In my case, helios-44-2 and industrial-50-2 were inherited, which I used for some time instead of portraiture. Therefore, I have the best attitude towards Soviet optics, I always read articles about it with Arkady with interest and for this reason Kenon defeated me, again all this in my case and I am basically pleased with it. I never claimed that kenon is cooler than Nikon systems, in principle, equivalent if you save early-valued models of cameras and lenses
not equivalent. over the past 7-8 years, Nikon has constantly lagged. and now in the role of catching up.
Technologically Nikon has not introduced anything new for a long time. old bayonet (no AF 1.2 lenses), old impact diaphragm, the same AF modules from 5-7 years ago, old fine-tuning of AF zooms only at one point, lack of new interesting lenses ...
for comparison - kenon introduces dual pixel technology, new AF modules with all crosses and two crosses, new gorgeous wide lenses, new excellent 50mm 1.8 for .120 dollars! excellent 100-400Mk2, this year new 35 1.4Mk 2, new 50MP matrices, etc. are coming out.
For lovers of old lenses, Kenon is definitely better. Significantly lighter JVI and more convenient working distance.
In fact, all that Nikon does is put the Sony matrices and Toshiba into the same whistle-blower. that’s all the progress in 5-7 years.
Well, this is not in an abusive sense, but in the fact that in most cases the native autofocus is still preferable to manual.
in most cases, the native autofocus is still preferable to manual.
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+ 100%!
I wanted to thank you as soon as I read it, but I was embarrassed, but since you can, thanks for the experiment, it's a pity that you don't have time to upload a photo ...
Maybe dear Arkady will find a rainy day and add a real review to his beautiful Battle themes in the photo, for example, d700 against Mark2?
By the way, if it doesn’t make it difficult, tell me, what is Nikoncapcha really more convenient than Lightrum? Am I losing a lot on LR while sitting?
LR is contraindicated to Nikon.
Hi friend I support, damn everything I think exactly the same way.
The price of 24-105 is due more to its reliability than quality. Well, the scatter of focal. Of course, this is a whale zoom, sweeping and inexpensive for elek. 24-105 are often used by pros, because it happens that the aperture in 24-70 2.8 is needed less than a stub. As for autofocus, I’ll note that there can be jambs of autofocus due to the camera. I don’t have 650d, but 600d focuses noticeably slower than, for example, 50d or 5d. Yes, and prowls more often. Perhaps the trick is that the lens is designed for more serious cameras, mainly, of course, ff.
As for the darkness, on the one hand, it is compensated by a stub, on the other hand, by high working iso on ff carcasses of type 6d. At 650d, this is worse. High ISO modern nikon crops hold much better.
I note that using some fF glass on the crop, and then putting them on a full frame, you can feel the difference not only in changing the focal lengths (though not all glasses have this). I did not like the same 70-200 liters on the crop, but on ff it is really good and I do not want to shoot it. Same thing with 24-105. I tried it on 50d, 600d, 400d and 5d, but the difference is minimal on all the crop (unless 50d is more convenient to hold and focus is a little faster). But in ff it is really good (although I did not own it long enough to study it properly). But for shooting a report on ff, and on crop under adverse conditions, there is no choice up to $ 1000. If Nikon has cheap weatherproof 50 1.8g and 70-300vr (removed by both in the rain without problems), then Canon, as I understand it, only 24-105 liters is weatherproof, all other protected glass is already more expensive.
In general, for a novice reporter it’s better not to come up with glass :) By the way, many already very successful photographers continue to shoot at 24-105. So, I think, a negative impression appeared here due to the use of glass on the crop. Well, the three-digit canons are weaker than the Nikon d7 * 00 models, there is no point in arguing :)
... why "kick"? The reviewer is quite adequate. And it is so clear that Nikon would not be Nikon if it really lost to Canon. There would be no “holy war of systems”, which was invented by marketers (presumably from Canon))) The fact that Canon is bigger, bigger, more promoted and that marketers instead of engineers “rule” there, it has long been clear. And this is where the reverse logic works. It is very difficult to be number two after Canon. In order to wipe the nose of such a promoted company like Canon, you need to make a technique that should be a little more interesting))), otherwise they will be crushed. Name, advertising, marketing. But they can't. Why? Because as a seller, he is certainly cunning, but selling well and doing well are different things.
PS: Nikon RAWs are cool! Recently, I myself have “experienced” a system change, so there is some inspiration to speculate on this topic. Nikon chose deliberately, and not because it was “more comfortable in the hand”. I was very impressed and did not regret my choice for a second))) It's simple. You need to take it and try it.
I turn specifically to Lynx, you are an all-knowing creature (I live in Siberia, there are many of you here), and there are practically no adjustment and repair shops, only in large cities. At current prices, Sigma is becoming more and more attractive, are there really so much talk about autofocus misses in lenses? Even the Art series? I am an amateur with the Nikon D 7000.
The D 7000 has a fine-tuning autofocus. He (Nikon D 7000) eats any Sigma with pleasure.
I’m not specifically a Lynx, but I worked closely with Art.
Sigma has a problem - there is no access to the AF commands of the Nikon / Kenon. something they hacked there, something not. plus the camera determines what is a non-native lens.
I remind you that neither Nikon nor Kenon DOES NOT GUARANTEE the correct operation of other people's lenses!
further worse.
For sigma, you need to make corrections for 4 ranges / distances.
the carcass allows you to adjust only the entire range at once. docking station - only 3 zones.
therefore either:
- use manual AF
- adjust in the area where you shoot more often
- use live view
alas.
Sigma service knows the problem. money returned without problems.
he himself didn’t work with the art series, but his acquaintances, for example, had 24 or 35 mm back to the store and took them.
from a quarter to half misses.
With budget sigma, I had the following, as it turned out traditional, problems:
1. the golden hue of everything. Very annoying.
2. constant work of the stub - even when it is turned off, it continues to turn the engine and eat the battery.
3. Problems with focusing - not exactly misses, but slowly, and constantly trying to refocus on its own initiative.
from the pros - decent sharpness for budget glasses and at least some volume of the image, in contrast to the “fan of planes” - tamron.
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but the art series is praised for drawing, many take it because of this, despite the problems with focusing.
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It seems to me that in the case of a crop, there are more than enough native glasses, especially with flea markets.
kit:
35 / 1,8G as a normal lens, under the street, full-length portraits, children, animals with hands:
70-300 VR G as a distant reporter, and a little even as a portrait,
85 mm - like a portrait lens, if this focal length is convenient
(50 / 1,8G as a fig replacement for 35 and 85 Choch)
10,5 - like an awesome fish;
for rooms and all kinds of weddings events - or native 24 / 2,8D third version or
Tokin 14-24.
Jupiter 37MS as a good artistic leisurely portraiture for plein air.
for a non-prominent photographer, 35 + 70-300 will more than cover the vast majority of stories and ideas. plus a couple of manual manuals for suffering garbage and creative approaches.
Oh, how I agree! :)
There are 50 .1,8D.105 / 2 DC lenses, Helios-81 N, 44-5. Jupiter 37A. I wanted something wider. I’m looking at Sigma 18-35 / 1,8, Tokina12-28 / 4, Zeiss35 / 2, Nikon 18-35G. Head swollen from thought.
Tokin, IMHO.
there was such a problem too. took Tokina 12-24 / 4. very satisfied. I shoot extremely rarely at 12, but 15-24 .. the lens is cool! )
from friends ART were under what system? I have 35, 50 and no problems with autofocus on d800
He is at infinity
no offense, but what's in this picture that any lens won't do?
the colors you swam toward pink. resolution does not shine despite downsize up to 2MP.
The main problem with 90% of old lenses is soap and poor backlighting, poor contrast and microcontrast.
this is in addition to the fact that it is often very difficult to get into the depth of field without closing a hole very much.
look in detail on the website of Dmitry Evtifeev, there are many pictures and text.
Exceptions are 10% of old Zeiss lenses. they are really great but the price is there ...
Look at the full sizes of files shot with Soviet lenses. like? :) I do not think so.
and reduced to 2-4MP - such files look great from smartphones :)
A war of writers has begun, which do not photograph or write books. Sports writing on the other hand can also be a hobby. Great practice allows you to better express your thoughts, develops to some extent imagination, allows you to excel in your own eyes. Why not?
Well, not without it :) it's still better than drinking alcohol.
Here is your truth.
I use the old FZ-8. Everything suits me, no need to carry bricks and waste babosiks.
It’s interesting, as if the new Phase One camera looked like on this list. Some models seem to have divine prices. Did anyone hold them in their hands? And then in advertising everything is wonderful ..)))
the seals are just great! every mustache is visible!
And what is the bazaar about? ..?
1. Okay, about 24-105, D. Evtifeev has a good overview where all the charms and disadvantages of this lens are shown. All the same, this is more than 4x zoom and probably the most budgetary Christmas tree for all occasions, an analogue of a whale on a full frame. But not like that: I took it, I took it all ..., I will not post photos, they are classified.
2. "Because Nikon is cooler," "because in the budget segment there is no optics, to put it mildly, and not everyone can pay for fir trees. " This is taken from not much above. Well, well, we buy a budget canon with a whale, you can buy a 55-250 telephoto lens, an absolutely normal thing, I am is2-happy. Now Arkady has got very good reviews about him, while the unicon 55-300 has problems with focusing. On TV we will count as a draw. Further fixes. Kenon 40mm is an absolutely weird thing, a pancake that turns a DSLR into something small and not noticeable, very sharp. Nikon has a 35-1.8 absolutely wonderful lens. Unless only when switching to a full frame, it is lost. Further, canon 50-1.8. In general, not a bad lens in the price-quality segment due to design flaws, but now a new version with an iron mount and a 7-blade diaphragm is coming out. I don't think that Nikon's fifty-kopeck piece will be anything more fantastic. There is at least a draw here.
“I am is2-happy” - if you are happy, then this is great! But only this does not negate the fact that Kenon is in trouble in the budget segment and he will not be able to compete with Nikon in principle.
At least, you want to see a draw :) At least any photographer with experience knows that Kenon has no budget optics (if you take comparatively). Pancake is a good thing, I agree, but you can’t leave on one pancake. Although, I know people who are enough for fifty dollars for almost all occasions. Cropped 35-ku is not appropriate to compare with full-frame optics. What can be the transition to a full frame, except in DX mode. For that matter, you need to take the latest 35 G version. Which, in turn, came out great.
PS Nothing personal, everyone the world :)
But they are identical at the price of a 40mm pancake and a 35mm crop. Nikon has an advantage in aperture ratio, as can the ability to put on a full frame in the future. “No budget optics for Kenon”, that no 18-55; 55-250; 40mm I consider it a budget employee for the price; The Canon Lens EF 50mm 1: 1.8 II is a wonderful little lens that can help budding photographers and amateur photographers take great photos - this is not my conclusion. 85mm or 100mm, 16-85 or 10-22, which is none. However, Nikon has a successful 18-105, I admit completely that the Canon does not.
Oleg, I have a budget NIKKOR 24-85mm 1: 3.5-4.5G I did not find an analogue for Kenon in price and quality. You can view. Not masterpieces, but I like the quality of the lens. https://fotki.yandex.ru/users/sichkar-vic/
Kenon has everyone scolded 18-55 is2, but you can live with him not bad
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NIKKOR 24-85mm 1: 3.5-4.5G is a very good lens, but not at all interesting in terms of the picture, I sell it. And I envy the Kenon 135, if only Nikon would be so crazy ...
But I, on the contrary, believe that Canon outweighs Nikon in the budget segment. 55-250 is better for me than 55-300. Compared both, 55-300 focuses more slowly and the stub is not so iron. And the sharpness is at least comparable. And the price of 55-300 (in any case, bu) is much higher. In addition, the canon has a cheap width of 10-18is, the Nikon has no cheap widths at all, and the expensive ones are already very old, have not been updated for a long time (although not bad in terms of parameters). 18-55 for both firms at the moment are very similar and pretty decent. Here, in fixes, in my opinion, Nikon is in the lead, its 35 1.8 and 50 1.8 g are better than the set of Canon 40 2.8 and 50 1.8. I say this with all of the above glasses and making personal comparisons on different carcasses.
I bought my 55-300 secondhand for 100 at its cost of 250 and really chewed up because I don’t like the secondhand technique, but the result is simply amazing much sharper than the whale 18-55 and I don’t shoot any problems with focusing as a rule when dancing children in poor conditions and not problems with focus.
Here are examples made by me who are interested, you can see
https://vk.com/album114445294_208844712
And 55-300 sharper than kenovsky 55-250 here is the link
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=735&Camera=614&Sample=0&FLI=4&API=0&LensComp=777&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=4&APIComp=0
Oh, my first lens that I bought was a Nikkor 55-300, I don't even know how you can scold it - light, gets into focus well, quite a decent drawing, now there are 80-200 2.8 and I wouldn't say straight that it is in everything is better - heavy, relatively 55-300 slow and not so light, although the drawing is interesting. And really good portraits are obtained on him.
Good reasoned answer with an example. The pictures are beautiful. I stick one more red beast 55-250is2, d.f.-250mm, aperture 5.6. For a budget employee at extreme values, in principle, I am satisfied with the price of this miracle of $ 150. And no matter how I say Kenonovsky is better
Sergey's matinee is cooler :)
About focusing, this is a question for Arkady neither for me. In general, this Nikon 55-300mm F / 4.5-5.6 VR is the slowest of modern AF-S telephoto zoom.
Nevertheless, you can also hunt birds with him.
And further.
))) and for "hunting" I took an old man 70-210 / 4
And I just took a nut :)
Better peeled seeds! ;) until the protein is devoured, it will not budge!
And here is 55-300.
Fine
Is-2 - imba!
imbu - nerfing !!!! 1111
nikon or canon?
http://dailym.ai/1QeB7gy
Okay, let's move on to Kenon-85-1.8. I've been looking at it for a long time, but I haven't had a chance to shoot. Arkady has good reviews about him and even: “but I want to note that I liked the Canon EF 85mm f / 1.8 USM much more with its picture than Nikkor when used on crop.” May the gods of Nikon forgive him.
The time has come 100mm. Here D.Evtifeev to all help http://evtifeev.com/22113-canon-ef-100-2-8l-is-usm-macro-vs-nikon-af-s-micro-nikkor-105-2-8g-ed.html and here we see the terrible thing kenon surpassed nikon in sharpness. It seems the Nikon gods nervously smoke aside, and black clouds gather over me. But under the crop, kenon has 16-85 and shirik 10-22 with good reviews about them. And if I go further, I can put Nikonovsky 50-1.8d on the canon and use it as a manual, but on the contrary there
I offer a list of intentionally polarized topics designed to rekindle holivar and trolling for a cheap increase in attendance and activity without useless reviews.
http://lurkmore.to/%D0%A5%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2#.D0.A4.D0.BE.D1.82.D0.BE.D0.B3.D1.80.D0.B0.D1.84.D0.B8.D1.8F
All this is simpler than another useless Helios 44 with its legendary bokeh, and much simpler than writing a detailed review of Meyer Optik Görlitz Trioplan 38 years old, or Sigma Art 24/35 / 50mm (which deserved the best quality after Otus) or Tamron 150-600, or at least one camera with a Foveon sensor. But who cares, geek photos are not here.
Lurk Lurk, but you can’t even imagine that I would write if I really wanted to rekindle a holivar)
More than once I wanted to give this very reference, but I could not find it again :) I immediately want to bring it up after another "professional" who starts talking about "lamp" pictures or "skin tones", etc. :)
Unofficially (that is, “among the common people”) it is believed that (since Canon has the cheapest glasses) rogues go with Canon.
And since Nikon has the most expensive glass, it is believed that the owners of Nikon are respected.
this is the opinion of those who not so much shoot as speculate about shooting, spreading such nonsense, including ...
Perhaps you have a Canon, what are you immediately trying to justify?
Where did you see the excuses?
P.S. I have Fuj and Nikon, according to your logic, I am megaKrut.
P.P.S. And I also met opinions on the network that the owners of the Pentax are rogue, so what? Do you think that there is a sense in such reasoning? All this is a show-off and a reason to talk about nothing ... listen less, think more.
You can shoot acceptable frames on any DSLR. Everything else is in crooked hands and notorious heads. All these Kenon Vs Nikon and so on. . pure water trollism.
I think the arguing Nikon-Canon are nasty perverts.
Nikon - cameras with masculine logic, Canon - cameras with feminine ..., but no, no logic at all (Tv :-)))
Nikon is for men and smart women!
Canon is for color blind people with their “correct skin tone” and people with a “different mindset” ...
For Soviet optics there is now Sony!