JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P - the legendary Soviet fifty-kopeck piece (lens with a fixed focal length equal to 50 mm), with a maximum aperture of F / 2.0 and with a 'Contax-Kiev RF' mount, designed for installation on rangefinder cameras 'Kiev' ... Lenses of the JUPITER-8 brand are considered one of the best mass Soviet lenses for rangefinder cameras. This review presents the JUPITER-8 lens, serial number 5622104, in a metal 'white' (or 'silver') body frame, factory-made 'Arsenal' (Kiev, Ukraine, judging by the logo).
JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P with Contax-Kiev RF bayonet on the Kiev camera
JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P has an internal Contax-Kiev RF mount and, unlike lenses with an external Contax-Kiev RF mount, does not have a focus ring, depth of field zoom, or focus distance scale. You can find a lot of useful information about the unusual Contax-Kiev RF mount lens in the review JUPITER-11 1: 4 F = 13,5cm P with external mount Contax-Kiev RF.
When such a lens is mounted on a Kiev camera, a part of the camera mount acts as a focusing ring. The mount also has a focusing distance scale from infinity to 90 cm and a depth of field scale for F / 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6, 8, 11, 16, 22. Due to the fact that JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P with an internal mount Contax-Kiev RF does not have a focusing ring; it is difficult to make an adapter for modern digital cameras for it. In addition, JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P is a rangefinder lens, and therefore its use as a classic photographic lens is available only on rangefinder or modern mirrorless cameras. On SLR cameras JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P with Contax-Kiev RF mount can be used only as a macro lens.
I used JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P using a homemade Contax-Kiev RF to Sony E mount adapter on a Sony a7 full frame mirrorless system camera. My homemade adapter is made from a piece of a Kiev camera mount and an M39 to Sony E adapter. The used adapter has a reduced MDF, which allows the JUPITER-8 to be focused only 45 cm from the subject. In this case, the focusing ring rotates 720 degrees (two full turns).
Overview of JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P with Contax-Kiev RF mount
JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P was copied from the German Sonnar 1: 2 f = 5cm Carl Zeiss Jena lens. There are at least six Soviet modifications of JUPITER-8 with Contax-Kiev RF mount, produced at different times and at different factories:
- ZORKY ZK 1: 2 F = 5cm P
- ЗК 1: 2 F = 5cm П, without the prefix 'ZORKY'
- JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P of the Arsenal plant (from this review)
- JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P plant KMZ
- JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P of the Arsenal plant, the name is written in Ukrainian
- JUPITER 1: 2 F = 5cm of the Arsenal plant, the name is written in Latin letters and without the number '8'
- JUPITER-8M 2/50
- JUPITER-8M 2/53, exists in two versions of the case frame - classic metal and black, similar to HELIOS-103 1.8 / 53
- JUPITER-8M 1: 2 F = 5cm P
- JUPITER-8 NB 2/50 and JUPITER-8 N 2/50 are suitable only for the Kiev-5 camera, which has only the outer part of the Contax-Kiev RF mount
Lenses are named according to their writing on the body. The actual focal length of the lenses is approximately 52 mm, which accounts for the spread in the focal length markings from 50 to 53 mm. It is noteworthy that the first copies of Sonnar 1: 2 f = 5cm Carl Zeiss Jena were called 'ZORKIY ZK 1: 2 F = 5cm P', where the abbreviation 'ZK' stands for 'Zonnar Krasnogorskiy', since the release of the first batches was established at Krasnogorsk Mechanical Factory (KMZ). Rumor has it that the 'Zonnar Krasnogorskiy' was made from German prepared lens blocks. The first lenses of this kind were produced since 1947. A complete list of all modifications can be found here.
In general, modifications of JUPITER-8 exist simply darkness. Basically, the lens is well known in the version for rangefinder cameras with M39 mounting thread. In the optical scheme of JUPITER-8, there are 6 elements in 3 groups, if someone knows about the difference in the optical scheme for versions with M39 and with Contax-Kiev RF, please unsubscribe in the comments.
JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P with mount Contax-Kiev RF
JUPITER-8 is small, weighs about 130 grams, uses light filters with a diameter of 40.5 mm. The native front cover has no snaps and just fits snugly against the lens barrel. The lens is well made, with a metal body that extends its lifespan indefinitely. The sample I reviewed has clean lenses with no scratches, mold or mildew.
Sizes of JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P with Contax-Kiev RF mount
It is very good that JUPITER-8 has a nine-blade diaphragm. The petals are dull, when they are closed, a rather round hole is formed, but still, if you look closely, you can distinguish the edges of the polyhedra (example on f / 4) The lens has only one aperture control ring, with which you can set any value of the F number: from F / 2 to F / 22. The ring has no fixed intermediate values and rotates smoothly. On the case there are marks for F / 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6, 8, 11, 22.
JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P with mount Contax-Kiev RF
The red letter 'P' in the name of the lens 'JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P' indicates the presence of a special 'P' coating, which covers the objective lenses. In later versions of the lens, the letter 'P' was not written, and all lenses have coated optics by default. At flea markets, I often see that lenses with the letter 'P' sell more expensive than other similar lenses, justifying this by the presence of enlightenment. In fact, there is not much difference between Jupiter-8 lenses with and without the letter 'P'.
Enlightenment of lenses of lenses Jupiter-8 2/50 from the 'Electronics L-50' TV camera and JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P with a Contax-Kiev RF mount
During focusing, the front lens rotates, to be precise, the entire lens rotates. Due to the small diameter of the front lens and its rotation, it was extremely inconvenient for me to use a polarizing filter. During focusing, a rather strong 'Focus Breathing' effect is noticeable (see video for example).
On Jupiter-8, I first noticed another negative moment from the rotation of the lens unit of the lens during focusing - when shooting a video 'asterisks', which are formed by bright light sources and aperture blades, begin to rotate in the frame (an example of this behavior is shown in the video review). Such rotation can distract attention from the main subject in the frame.
Enlightenment of lenses of lenses Jupiter-8 2/50 from the 'Electronics L-50' TV camera and JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P with a Contax-Kiev RF mount
The lens is very moody towards side and back light. With my JUPITER-8, it's easier than ever to get a flare or flare in the frame. The contrast of the lens is also rather weak.
Enlightenment of the front lens JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P with a Contax-Kiev RF mount and HELIOS-103 1.8 / 53 with mount Contax-Kiev RF
If you 'drown' the lens into the mount of a DSLR camera and look in JVI, it will be noticeable that the picture slightly casts a yellow-green tint. Auto white balance modern cameras can correct color reproduction well, but in the case of using a preset value BB problems begin.
I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that the presence of such 'greenery' in any case negatively affects the color, even with automatic BBor with post-editing RAW files. After modern optics with normal coating, such 'green' oldies look very bad. Perhaps, in the era of black and white and color film, there were no such serious nagging about color.
Petals of the diaphragm of the lens JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P with a Contax-Kiev RF mount
JUPITER-8 has weak sharpness in the range of F / 2-F / 2.8, but the lens creates an 'airy', 'three-dimensional' image that many amateur photographers like :). Also, at open apertures, the image angles are very, very weak. On closed apertures, the sharpness returns to normal.
Sources in RAW format (.ARW) can download from this link (48 files, 1 GB). For most of the photos I used an Extradigital CPL 40.5mm polarizing filter, which helped a little to enhance the contrast. In the photo with blue bikes specks caused raindrops on the lens of the lens. Some photos were taken with APS-C on.
JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P with a Contax-Kiev RF mount on a Sony A7 camera
Video review can be viewed at my youtube channel:
JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P with Contax-Kiev RF mount with a homemade RF adapter -> Sony E
Catalog modern brand lenses 'Zenitar' и 'Helios' can look at this link.
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Results
The technical aspect of the image quality of my JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P is not very good. But, if you make friends with the lens, then it will be a wonderful high-speed fifty with a certain 'soul'. Nowadays JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm P with Contax-Kiev RF mount is perfect for the role of an unusual vintage lens for a variety of creative research :).
Reviews of the lenses of the Jupiter-8 series:
- JUPITER-8 1: 2 F = 5cm П | Arsenal | Contax-Kiev | 1956
- JUPITER-8М 1: 2 F = 5 cm | Arsenal | Contax-Kiev | 1961 | reader's review
- JUPITER-8М 1: 2 F = 5cm П | Arsenal | Contax-Kiev | 1963
- JUPITER-8М 2/50 | Arsenal | Contax-Kiev | 1977
- JUPITER-8М 2/53 | Arsenal | Contax-Kiev | 1978
- Jupiter-8 1: 2 F = 5cm П | KMZ | M39 | 1958 | white
- Jupiter-8 2/50 | KMZ | M39 | 1962 | white
- Jupiter-8 2/50 | KMZ | from the TV camera 'Electronics L-50' | 1965
- Jupiter-8 2/50 | KMZ | M39 | 1974 | black | review from Rodion Eshmakov
- Examples on JUPITER-8 2/50 (black, M39)
- 500PX Gallery
- Video about Jupiter-8
Jupiter-8 also exists in early versions under the names:
- ZK 1: 2 F = 5cm P | KMZ | folding frame | ~ 1948 | M39
- Vigilant ZK 1: 2 F = 5cm P | KMZ | white with ears | ~ 1949 | M39
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if you disassemble 8 or 8M, you can make a couple of good monocles, 35 and 80-90 mm. )))
And then you can then get it from the folder by ear for disassembling its beloved photo :)
Taaa ... after trying to make a slingshot out of all the solder in the house instead of aluminum - no big deal.
again, in our penises, this can be obtained from 350 rubles already
Jupiter-8 and Jupiter-8M are different lenses.
Exclusively enlightenment and and type of diaphragm.
See diagram.
In the review it is indicated “modifications of JUPITER-8”.
Arkady, well done) Whatever lens falls into his hands, the photo will be a masterpiece !!!
Great lens. I really miss it after switching to a reflex camera, there are no analogues for it that can give a similar picture, so far.
In fact, all the praises in his direction remain nothing more than praises. In fact, the lens is interesting, but nothing more.
I have exactly the same, only the 54th year judging by the first two digits in the serial and the factory icon is a little different. I use it on Nikon, of course only in macro mode. I had a lomo Holga 60mm lens, just a piece of plastic with a plastic lens for $ 5. In short, I brutally disassembled it, cut off all the excess, sawed off the shank on Jupiter and pasted it into the remains of the back of the Holga with the Nikon bayonet mount. I focus only on the camera (further, closer), but I made friends with a double set of macro rings, the experiments are still ongoing, but I can say that no extra green was noticed behind him. And the sharpness is shaving on any aperture.
The Arsenal logo seems to have always been one and has not changed.
Yes, I don’t understand them, but the icon is like this:
https://www.google.ru/search?q=%D1%8E%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80+8&newwindow=1&biw=1280&bih=939&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=h8zTVKvxF5DfateLgYgL&ved=0CBsQsAQ#imgdii=_&imgrc=DX6NvW2yGKP00M%253A%3BBEZDrIT58jYwJM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fradojuva.com.ua%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2013%252F04%252Fjupiter-8m-50mm-f-2-p-review-2.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fradojuva.com.ua%252F2013%252F04%252Fobzor-yupiter-8-p%252F%3B720%3B479
Well, duck is KMZ, and most likely not contact. Under Contact, as far as I know, the U-8 was made only by the Arsenal. Experts, correct, if I'm wrong.
Until 1955, the Yu-8 was produced only at KMZ. For any mounts.
Thank you.
Nice review, especially the video! I liked the night shooting (lights, headlights of cars-class), but the daytime one, as for me, is “blue” (perhaps the camera) and is rather weak in sharpness.
Zonari with a focus of 50 to appreciate is not for the sake of.
Something Arkady struck at the old one. All this is super, but we are looking forward to reviewing the D750, for example. It is falling in price so quickly and indecently ...
Reviews d750 a dime a dozen, and the same ju8 in full frame is not so easy to find.
No, well, reviews on d750 mozhe and a dime a dozen, but not a single one from Arcadia. Understand. I am absolutely not opposed to Jupiter, it is exclusive and necessary, but when a review on d750 appears on Radozhiva, for example, it will fit right now to write about d850, for example. -) With understanding.
Radozhiva reacts very slowly to the news :)
Great review, thanks.
Arkady, you are not planning to supplement the review of the threaded “Jupiter-8” with the “M39” thread with examples of photos from the new camera. The last (black) version of "Jupiter-8", which was on "Vigilant", seems to have slightly better enlightenment.
I plan everything, there is no time yet.
I have Jupiter-3 with a Contax-Kiev mount :) I'm trying to create an adapter to use on Fujik X-T1 :) Jupiter-8 with m39 thread (I got white issue from daddy 59) I already use it on Fujik :)
"The automatic white balance of modern cameras can do a good job of correcting the color rendition, but in the case of using the preset WB value, problems begin." Probably the preset white balance was made not on the “can”, but also on the lens, which, apparently, is not ideal. Why not make a preset white balance for Jupiter, and then start covering what the light is on (in this case) Sony's products?
Do not confuse the preset, preset in the camera, white balances of the type “cloudy”, “day”, “shade” and others, with the function of setting white manually (based on a picture or a white / gray card).
Dear Dim, we listen to the opinions of users of our products, and we will take into account your wishes, and in the new model of the Sony A7-ussr camera that will be announced on May 9, 2015, we add the following white balance modes: BB Jupiter, BB Helios, BB Industrial, BB Kaleinar , BB lens from an enlarger, BB lens from a can of canned food and many other vital white balance modes that are vital for post-Soviet residents.
Sincerely, Sony Company Director Kazuo Hirai
This refers to the preset balances - "shadow", "cloudy", etc. For example, on a clear day you set the balance “sunny” and the whole picture is filled with just that yellowness about which I am writing. There is no such a jamb with lenses that have neutral color rendering. Also, part of the photo was taken using white balance on a white sheet, where everything is more or less, just extra care with the installation :). In the end, this yellowness and green tint oh, how not well reflected on the skin tone. For a $ 10 lens. - the trouble is not great, especially since many simply thoughtlessly praise the Ju-8 for its "color rendering", since each felt-tip pen is different in taste and color.
Dear Arkady!
Have you come across a Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Primoplan 58mm f / 1.9? A lens with interesting, special bokeh. He is loved by professionals for soft portraits and "otherworldly" blurring ...
I did not come across.
It's a pity, they sell it at completely insane prices, sometimes they compare it in our helios ...
Well again, inventions about the otherworldly begin and so on ... The lens is like a lens. Interesting shots happen. The scheme is original. And that's all.
Damn, that's how it turns out. and kontaks without the letter m happens ... in spite of all wiki Abramovs and suglobs. I saw how they put an external decorative ring with the inscription u8 on u8m instead of its peeled ringlet
On flea markets, the usual s-8 (without the letter m) for contact is not so rare.
Inattentively read Vicki, Abramov and Suglobov.
Thanks for another great review! Arkady, why don't you write reviews about Soviet film SLR and rangefinder cameras? It would be interesting to read, especially about “rangefinders” and their principle of operation.
My blog is about the figure.
Dear, Arkady, a description of two new products appeared on the Canon website http://www.canon.ru/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_750D/specifications.aspx http://www.canon.ru/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_760D/specifications.aspx it would be nice for them to pass a test drive on this resource.
And at this time the world continues to go crazy ... Kenon announced EOS 5DS with 50.5 Megapixels !!! We are waiting for further insanity and the announcement of 35 MP on crop ... After all, in MegaPixels there is POWER !!!
not announced.
Already announced, along with 760, 750 and 5dsr
when I read about 50MP 5DS and 5DSR, I thought that this marking was an analogy with Sony ILCE-7S (more sensitive) and Sony ILCE-7R (with higher resolution), which I was very happy about, and then I was upset when I realized that I was mistaken. I wish Canon also had an “argument” in favor of sensitivity.
I liked the tenth picture very much. It seems that the disadvantages are shown - but in the end it is spectacular !!! Overall a good lens, I liked it!
Until the end of the 90s, I had this technique. At that time, it surpassed all pollaroids and kodaki in quality.
At the moment, I can’t cope with fifty dollars Nikon 1.4 AFS Nikkor, very often misses the focus. What can someone tell me.
squeeze the aperture. or carry along with the carcass for adjustment.
That's his charm (1.4), therefore, to adjust.)
Cyprus, as always well done!
will we discuss Canon's new 5DS and 5DS R cameras?
And EOS 750D (Rebel T6i) and EOS 760D (Rebel T6s) at the same time
Can you ask for a reference with a brief description of “innovations”?
links from the Russian version of the Canon site
http://www.canon.ru/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_5DS/index.aspx
http://www.canon.ru/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_750D/index.aspx
http://www.canon.ru/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_760D/index.aspx
and from me personally. https://www.google.ru/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5+%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5+%C2%AB%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B9%C2%BB+%D0%BD%D0%B0+%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%85+%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%85+canon&gws_rd=cr,ssl&ei=QCHVVKfGGcuAywO4pIHgDw
Discuss :)
Arkady, thanks for the reviews, I constantly use this resource and for questions from friends of amateur photographers what lens or camera to buy I am sending to this resource;). Now the question is ripe - through this homemade adapter is it possible to pick up the rest of the line of lenses with a Kiev-contax mount? Thanks again ;)
through this self-made adapter it is possible to hook up the rest of the line of lenses with a Kiev mount - contax? - Yes.
Everything except Jupiter-8 NB
And Helios-94.
And Record-4 0,8 / 52, not mass-produced
Fixed
I have a black Jupiter similar to Helios 103. I compared the frame and the lens units with the usual Jupiter. It seems that the lens block from Helios is inserted.
Did I understand correctly that with the adapter for the Nikon F mount, can it be used as a macro lens?
possible, if you can attach, only it is expensive and the aperture ratio on the macro is not needed
Regarding old optics, we can say that not all optics that were good on film will also behave in digital. The film has a smooth structure, and the digital matrix has a cellular (ribbed) structure, and if the light beam enters at an angle, the edges of the matrix cells shade it, which leads to a decrease in contrast. Modern optics are designed so that the luminous flux falls at a right angle. This is especially true for wide-angle lenses (Jupiter-12 - the rear lens almost touches the shutter curtains).