There are a huge number of different modifications of the 'JUPITER-11' lens, both for SLR and rangefinder cameras. The largest list of versions of this lens can be found in the review. Jupiter-11A 4 / 135... In the same review I will consider a rather unusual modification of it - JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC with Kiev-Avtomat bayonet.
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMAT is a telephoto lens with a fixed focal length equal to 135 mm and a maximum relative aperture of 1: 4. Uses a rare Kiev-Avtomat mount.
Such a bayonet mount is used only by Soviet KIEV-10, KIEV-11 SLR cameras (prototype), KIEV-15 TEE and KIEV-15 TTL. It is usually customary to talk about two main models: KIEV-10 and KIEV-15. At one time these were quite revolutionary cameras :).
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC
With Kiev-Avtomat mount, a few different lenses were produced:
- MIR-20 3.5 / 20 AUTOMATIC
- MIR-1 2.8 / 37 AUTOMATIC
- HELIOS 65 AUTOMATIC 2/50
- HELIOS-81 2/53 AUTOMATIC MACHINE He also HELIOS-81 2/50 AUTOMATIC MACHINE aka HELIOS 81 2/53 AUTOMATIC (name without a dash between 'Helios' and '81'.)
- JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC
- JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC (from this review)
- ERA-6 1.5 / 50 AUTOMATIC (suddenly !, prototype)
- RUBIN-2A 3.5 / 45-80 AUTOMATIC MACHINE (prototype)
- GRANITE-11 4.5 / 80-200 AUTOMATIC (prototype)
I tried to collect the most complete list of lenses that were produced with the Kiev-Avtomat mount. Lenses are named according to their writing on the body. If you have information on other lenses with this mount, please write in the comments.
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC
The main feature of all Kiev-Avtomat mount lenses is the absence of a diaphragm control ring. The diaphragm was controlled by the automation and mechanics of the camera itself. Also, all lenses do not have multi-coating, were manufactured exclusively at the Kiev plant Arsenal, have a black body and the inscription 'AUTOMAT'.
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC MACHINE in a case
Due to the fact that the Kiev-Avtomat mount is quite rare, and its working length is 44 mm, in real life there are no adapters to lenses with this mount. In addition, due to the fact that these lenses lack a diaphragm control ring, their full use, even with an adapter, is very limited :(.
Case from JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC, the back has a bayonet mount without a lock
My JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC machine was purchased with a native case. The lower part of the case has a mount simulating a bayonet mount. I used this part to make an adapter from the Kiev-Avtomat mount to the Sony E mount. For this, I only needed to cut out the central plastic part from the bottom of the case, and then glue the adapter ring M39-Sony E.
Home-made adapter from the Kiev-Avtomat mount to the Sony E mount
With such an adapter, Sony E mount cameras have the ability to focus to infinity + there is even a small infinity flight. However, if you rotate the focusing ring too sharply from the MDF towards infinity, then the lens can be released from the mount, since the case cover does not have a hard lock. Nevertheless, I did not have any special problems with such a simple adapter.
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC and homemade perkheodnik on Sony E
As a result, such an adapter cost me the price of the M39-Sony E adapter and a tube of super-glue. When cutting the inside of the case cover, I had to work a little bit with a hammer, a chisel and file... The diaphragm can be controlled only through the so-called 'jump rope'. The easiest way is to always use the lens at a certain F-number, for example, at the maximum F / 4.
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC on a Sony a7 camera
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC MACHINE all consists of metal. A nice feature is the retractable telescopic hood. The hood in the extended position is tightly fixed and does not hang, but in the folded position, the hood is poorly fixed.
My copy has an unpleasant feature - when focusing on the MDF, if you press on the lens trunk, it disintegrates (disassembles) into its component parts. Perhaps either I or the previous owner assembled the lens incorrectly.
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC when focusing on MDF and with an elongated hood (maximum lens length)
The focus ring rotates 270 degrees, focusing on sharpness is very comfortable. The lens has a scale of focusing distances in meters, MDF is 1.2 meters. There is also a depth of field scale for values of F / 5.6, 8, 11, 22. During focusing, the front lens does not rotate, and the trunk of the lens lengthens. Focusing is performed by moving the entire lens block.
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC MACHINE with an extended hood
It is a pity, but this version of JUPITER-11 is deprived of the main advantage of Jupiter lenses - a multi-blade diaphragm. The diaphragm device for JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATOR consists of only 6 blades and creates 'nuts' in the out-of-focus area (and not entirely even). The decrease in the number of aperture blades is most likely due to the lens using a 'blinking' auto iris. For example, Jupiter-11A 4/135 has twelve diaphragm blades, which form a smooth opening and allow you to get nice circles in the out-of-focus area. In addition, the diaphragm blades of JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC are not blackened and have a yellow metallic sheen.
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The lens cap is also metal, fits snugly to the body frame, but has no latches, it is very easy to lose such a cap. The diameter of the front light filter is 49 mm.
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC MACHINE with a front metal cover
Enlightenment of the front lens casts a characteristic yellow-orange color, and the back - lilac. Enlightenment is visually very similar to that used by JUPITER-11 1: 4 F = 13,5cm P with mount Contax-Kiev RF. As for a fixed lens, the maximum aperture of F / 4.0 is small. Generally, fixed focal length lenses are much larger aperture. The standard for good aperture 135 mm fixed lenses is considered to be F / 2.8. The difference between F / 4.0 and F / 2.8 is one stop, i.e. twice.
Enlightenment of the front lens JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC is very much afraid of flares, in the back and side light the contrast drops dramatically, and catching a sunbeam is easy. But the lens shows good sharpness already from F / 4.0, there is no distortion. At f / 4, there is a strong influence of aberrations, which color contrast elements in the out-of-focus area in green and purple. At open aperture, the lens has pleasant bokeh (due to the 'Sonnar' optical design). The image quality is very similar to JUPITER-11 1: 4 F = 13,5cm P with mount Contax-Kiev RF
Sources in RAW format (.ARW) can be downloaded at this link (12 files, 300 MB). Personally, I was not particularly imbued with love for this lens, most likely the lack of aperture ring :).
Video lens features can be viewed at my youtube channel:
Enlightenment of the rear lens JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC AND JUPITER-11 4/135 with mount Contax-Kiev RF
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC MACHINE disassembled
Please note that the early lenses of JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMAT had a different enlightenment, which visually casts a purple tint on the front lens. Later lenses, such as this one, shown in this review, had an orange tint.
Aperture petals JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC
Catalog modern brand lenses 'Zenitar' и 'Helios' can look at this link.
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JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATOR - has a unique Kiev-Avtomat bayonet for which there are no adapters for its installation on other cameras. Even if you make the adapter yourself, the lens has no aperture control ring, which makes its use rather inconvenient. Overall, the lens shows poor performance. JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC can always be used at F / 4 as a portrait lens. Due to the difficulty of installing such a lens on modern cameras, it is better to find the Jupiter-11 modification with the M39 mounting thread, or with a replaceable shank (A-version).
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I have a Jupiter 9 automatic machine converted to Nikon. The picture is very soft and very different from the usual Yu-9. Jupiter 11 is very similar in drawing, it is just as soft. It has long been rumored that the glass to the machines is better or better than usual.
Please tell me how to remake the jupiter automatic machine I bought four lenses and all the automatic ...
I have a 11 U-1982 Automatic. A slightly different frame with a spiked knurling on the ring with focuses and red marks and numbers, where on your yellow. Enlightenment at least on the front, at least on the rear lens is purple. The oncoming light does not like, a little chromate, but very sharp. And excellent color rendition without any greenery. Perhaps the point is later enlightenment of a different quality. I sawed my copy under m42 and use it on the digital camera. In my opinion, it is noticeably better than Kazan Yu-11a or Yu-37a
Judging by the pictures and video, this Jupiter did not stand next to Yu-37 A. There is no contrast, and it will be 37th more cut.
But this is a feature of the Soviet assembly. One instance from another may differ as the sky from the earth.
Is it only Soviet? IMHO, modern lenses, for example, Tamron, also sin this.
recently foolishly sold such, personally converted to autofocus under nikon. my specimen had excellent sharpness, complete immunity to backlight, no chromatism, accurate color reproduction.
I wanted to buy another, but it seems that in Belarus there are no such lenses left.
And how did you auto-focus in a manual lens? Share your experience, if not sorry.
I think it's about dandelion.
Is not a fact. Another owner from a neighboring topic managed to fasten a similar one to the Nikon 50mm autofocus: https://plus.google.com/photos/113399356954430979097/albums/5930051809703049441
There are craftsmen! I'm just amazed ...))
it’s better to insert a lens unit Jupiter-9 or Helios 81 into a gutted fifty dollars: it will be both prettier and more reliable (better weight distribution and less load on the gears of the AF transmission gear)
something like sigma 11-28, Nikkor 90-28 canon 80-35 is more suitable for u-80.
I also made Helios 44-2 autofocus, it is more practical in focal length.
now it’s the turn of Tessar 50 / 2,8- an interesting analogue of macrushnik-nikkor 60 / 2,8 should turn out
well, kaleinar-5 and jupiter 9 - of course you have to cut.
And a lot of work to attach Helios 81n to a poltos? Are there step-by-step instructions anywhere?
about transplanting helios 81n into the building of the Nikkorovsky poltos.
I didn’t do such an operation myself, but by analogy with the transplantation of Helios 44-2 into the Nikkor 35-70 / 3,5-4,5 building, I can say that there is a lot of trouble, although technically the task is not the most difficult.
I would not advise to undertake such a thing on sheer enthusiasm. we need a lathe, some special tools, some experience in disassembling lenses, and knowledge of a considerable number of all kinds of nuances.
no one has yet put up competent step-by-step instructions for such alterations in public: what is on the Internet does not inspire much confidence. but what is the ambush and what consequences it threatens - you understand when you try to do something similar yourself.
very few people are seriously engaged in remaking manual lenses into autofocus and they don’t want to shine. I am familiar with one (on the Internet, of course) and heard about two more. and this is in the entire post-Soviet space!
We exchanged key information with a friend. his method seemed unsuccessful to me. perhaps he has the same opinion about my know-how. as the distinguished Radozhiva said, the taste and color of the felt-tip pens is not enough.
one of those whom I heard about, it seems like he is going to open a company for autofocusing manual lenses and has already worked out the technology of remaking 50 models of popular prime lenses. and there is also a rumor that he is a Russian bourgeois, in the past an optical engineer, and for him this business is something of a hobby.
If anyone is interested, I have a couple of extra autofocus bodies and I can put something solidly manual there.
if the owner of the site allows, I will indicate my contacts.
Thank you Dmitry! Most importantly, I realized already that this action is from aerobatics and is available to units. In this case, it’s easier for me to leave my Helios in its original form, all the more in its state it got me dearly and I don’t want to break it. The topic you touched is very interesting, good luck to you and your few colleagues in your work!
http://vladimirmedvedev.com/dpi.html
the lens block was transferred to the body of the killed autofocus zoom and adapted the diaphragm control mechanism to it. with a lathe, this is not particularly difficult.
Dmitry, do you think this is only possible with Nikon glasses? and with Kenon's 50 / 1,4 or 85 / 1,8 do you think this is possible ?. Thanks.
about aftofocus on senonovskih lights
because of the layout, it is impossible to install high-aperture lens blocks in the housings of common autofocus canon lenses.
and to use something of high quality for such alteration is economically inexpedient. it will be cheaper to buy a serial analogue.
Thank you!
If anyone needs it, I will give this Yu-11 from a review for creative torture. Shipment only on the territory of Ukraine.
Arkady, it's you in vain! Now lovers of balls run up, get to beg.
PS Can I, well, please;)
Already donated.
That I kind of made a joke on the topic of comrades greedy for gratis ...
may I
can
It is also worth mentioning that this is the only version of Jupiter-11 with a jumping diaphragm :)
Shipment in Ukraine? So send to the Crimea? they said on the site that it works, it will work without problems. send mail contacts?
The lens is already presented. Thank you all for your attention.
I disassembled this and put it on a nikon through the adapter. I always got an open aperture, almost infinity. In good light it gives a good result. I’m not afraid of flare. But I don’t use it because the trunk has not been completed and at infinity it falls out of the mount.
Color reproduction conveys truthfully.
five of them were redone at different times under m42, all as one they gave good results in all respects, sharp and contrasting, of all the machines this is the easiest to redo, there is no need to cut too much, infinity is achieved without problems by nikon, with u-11 and Yu-37 large focal length that allows you to install on almost everything.
uhhh you =) ... I missed the day of the purchase of the A7 ...., congratulations, it was not in vain that they collected the whole camp ... for business !!!
The lenses in this series can be redone on nikon, canon with the installation of the aperture control ring, I remade and not one.
The lenses in this series can be redone on nikon, canon with the installation of the aperture control ring, I remade and not one. If interested (ak04831@yandex.ru) I can send
photo of the converted lens.
Alexander, how to remake the lens JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC under nikon 3000? Thanks!
For cameras Kiev 10 and Kiev 15, there is a factory adapter for M39 lenses.
it's time to sell a7 and save for a new one already
To unleash the full potential of this lens,
it must be screwed to the Nikon D810A.
Did the Nikonists want a new bomb camera? Get it, sign it! Bugaga! Hahaha!
We have dreamed of a camera for photographing stars for so long ...
This is our answer to 50 megapixels!
Canonists die of envy.
Nikan steers!
http://www.nikon.ru/ru_RU/product/digital-cameras/slr/professional/d810a
Horrible
Jupiter-11 is sharper than Jupiter-37a both on f4, but on the same f4, s-37 blurs the background a little more than the s-11 machine, the color is almost the same, at least my specimens, I won’t tell you about s-37 with other u-37s, the 11th automatic machines that came into their hands were good specimens, the diaphragm is redone so that it can be controlled but after the alteration it has a short stroke of the control ring, in principle it is not so tragic, you get used to it quickly.
I apologize for being off topic, but there is news about the special version 810 of Nikonor.
Camera focusing on astrophotography (810a).
Those interested can read the link
http://www.nikon.com/news/2015/0210_dslr_01.htm
amateur photographer, aka Sashko D810A, this is for you.
obsessive advertising agents in a decent society, it is customary to beat the shandals in the face. what do you think, why?
Dmitry at the expense of "hitting the mordas" in the tyrnet of such karatekas as you are in every branch a dime a dozen. In real life, everything is easier ... 2 blows and blood on the face
I don’t have anything to do with Sasha.
There is no obsession at all, probably Dmitry is all a matter of your delirium if you just perceive the news as the machinations of advertising agents.
I'm so used to breaking trolls face in blood, that camping is love
flame ban_set
810a was added to the Rygozhiva table on the release day :) but thanks anyway for the links)
I ignore the discussion with the Amateur Photographer Sashko D810A out of respect for the site owner. I apologize to him for the inappropriateness with regard to Internet trolls that is inappropriate for his worthy and friendly resource.
Dmitry, he's an internet troll. The amateur photographer wrote to you that HE and SASHKO are not the same person !!! Or are you impenetrable? And so, by the way, go up higher in comments and understand who STARTED to flog the fever and troll first? You are our tyrant karateka from the kitchen unit of the sofa troops :) Would you heal?
I took popcorn, sat down on the sofa, expecting the continuation of the epic battles. Guys, burn, but they will laugh at you in all the expanses of the post-Soviet space. Continue to be a laughing stock ...
Hey Oleg, be quiet! And then Dimon also gives you shandals on his face.
Palekhchi, he knows how, he is a master of contactless keyboard battles on the Internet.
Ignore the impenetrables.
Arkady, if possible, add news from the photoworld, otherwise, out of just informative motives, outbreaks of sensitive people happen)))
By the way, Arkady, do you use Sony in everyday shooting, or more of a test machine?
Sony is for review only.
Ah-ah-ah !!! Is that all you can do? No need to disappoint me. Stretch yourself and come up with something original. You can also change your nickname another 7-8 times.
I’m glad to require more flame and flood!
and I would have gasped.
Wow! Great to find a post with such a clear mesaegs!