There are a huge number of different modifications of the 'JUPITER-11' lens, both for SLR and rangefinder cameras. The largest list of versions of this lens can be found in the review. Jupiter-11A 4 / 135... In the same review I will consider a rather unusual modification of it - JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC with Kiev-Avtomat bayonet.
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMAT is a telephoto lens with a fixed focal length equal to 135 mm and a maximum relative aperture of 1: 4. Uses a rare Kiev-Avtomat mount.
Such a bayonet mount is used only by Soviet KIEV-10, KIEV-11 SLR cameras (prototype), KIEV-15 TEE and KIEV-15 TTL. It is usually customary to talk about two main models: KIEV-10 and KIEV-15. At one time these were quite revolutionary cameras :).
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC
With Kiev-Avtomat mount, a few different lenses were produced:
- MIR-20 3.5 / 20 AUTOMATIC
- MIR-1 2.8 / 37 AUTOMATIC
- HELIOS 65 AUTOMATIC 2/50
- HELIOS-81 2/53 AUTOMATIC MACHINE He also HELIOS-81 2/50 AUTOMATIC MACHINE aka HELIOS 81 2/53 AUTOMATIC (name without a dash between 'Helios' and '81'.)
- JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC
- JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC (from this review)
- ERA-6 1.5 / 50 AUTOMATIC (suddenly !, prototype)
- RUBIN-2A 3.5 / 45-80 AUTOMATIC MACHINE (prototype)
- GRANITE-11 4.5 / 80-200 AUTOMATIC (prototype)
I tried to collect the most complete list of lenses that were produced with the Kiev-Avtomat mount. Lenses are named according to their writing on the body. If you have information on other lenses with this mount, please write in the comments.
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC
The main feature of all Kiev-Avtomat mount lenses is the absence of a diaphragm control ring. The diaphragm was controlled by the automation and mechanics of the camera itself. Also, all lenses do not have multi-coating, were manufactured exclusively at the Kiev plant Arsenal, have a black body and the inscription 'AUTOMAT'.
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC MACHINE in a case
Due to the fact that the Kiev-Avtomat mount is quite rare, and its working length is 44 mm, in real life there are no adapters to lenses with this mount. In addition, due to the fact that these lenses lack a diaphragm control ring, their full use, even with an adapter, is very limited :(.
Case from JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC, the back has a bayonet mount without a lock
My JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC machine was purchased with a native case. The lower part of the case has a mount simulating a bayonet mount. I used this part to make an adapter from the Kiev-Avtomat mount to the Sony E mount. For this, I only needed to cut out the central plastic part from the bottom of the case, and then glue the adapter ring M39-Sony E.
Home-made adapter from the Kiev-Avtomat mount to the Sony E mount
With such an adapter, Sony E mount cameras have the ability to focus to infinity + there is even a small infinity flight. However, if you rotate the focusing ring too sharply from the MDF towards infinity, then the lens can be released from the mount, since the case cover does not have a hard lock. Nevertheless, I did not have any special problems with such a simple adapter.
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC and homemade perkheodnik on Sony E
As a result, such an adapter cost me the price of the M39-Sony E adapter and a tube of super-glue. When cutting the inside of the case cover, I had to work a little bit with a hammer, a chisel and file... The diaphragm can be controlled only through the so-called 'jump rope'. The easiest way is to always use the lens at a certain F-number, for example, at the maximum F / 4.
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC on a Sony a7 camera
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC MACHINE all consists of metal. A nice feature is the retractable telescopic hood. The hood in the extended position is tightly fixed and does not hang, but in the folded position, the hood is poorly fixed.
My copy has an unpleasant feature - when focusing on the MDF, if you press on the lens trunk, it disintegrates (disassembles) into its component parts. Perhaps either I or the previous owner assembled the lens incorrectly.
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC when focusing on MDF and with an elongated hood (maximum lens length)
The focus ring rotates 270 degrees, focusing on sharpness is very comfortable. The lens has a scale of focusing distances in meters, MDF is 1.2 meters. There is also a depth of field scale for values of F / 5.6, 8, 11, 22. During focusing, the front lens does not rotate, and the trunk of the lens lengthens. Focusing is performed by moving the entire lens block.
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC MACHINE with an extended hood
It is a pity, but this version of JUPITER-11 is deprived of the main advantage of Jupiter lenses - a multi-blade diaphragm. The diaphragm device for JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATOR consists of only 6 blades and creates 'nuts' in the out-of-focus area (and not entirely even). The decrease in the number of aperture blades is most likely due to the lens using a 'blinking' auto iris. For example, Jupiter-11A 4/135 has twelve diaphragm blades, which form a smooth opening and allow you to get nice circles in the out-of-focus area. In addition, the diaphragm blades of JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC are not blackened and have a yellow metallic sheen.
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The lens cap is also metal, fits snugly to the body frame, but has no latches, it is very easy to lose such a cap. The diameter of the front light filter is 49 mm.
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC MACHINE with a front metal cover
Enlightenment of the front lens casts a characteristic yellow-orange color, and the back - lilac. Enlightenment is visually very similar to that used by JUPITER-11 1: 4 F = 13,5cm P with mount Contax-Kiev RF. As for a fixed lens, the maximum aperture of F / 4.0 is small. Generally, fixed focal length lenses are much larger aperture. The standard for good aperture 135 mm fixed lenses is considered to be F / 2.8. The difference between F / 4.0 and F / 2.8 is one stop, i.e. twice.
Enlightenment of the front lens JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC is very much afraid of flares, in the back and side light the contrast drops dramatically, and catching a sunbeam is easy. But the lens shows good sharpness already from F / 4.0, there is no distortion. At f / 4, there is a strong influence of aberrations, which color contrast elements in the out-of-focus area in green and purple. At open aperture, the lens has pleasant bokeh (due to the 'Sonnar' optical design). The image quality is very similar to JUPITER-11 1: 4 F = 13,5cm P with mount Contax-Kiev RF
Sources in RAW format (.ARW) can be downloaded at this link (12 files, 300 MB). Personally, I was not particularly imbued with love for this lens, most likely the lack of aperture ring :).
Video lens features can be viewed at my youtube channel:
Enlightenment of the rear lens JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC AND JUPITER-11 4/135 with mount Contax-Kiev RF
JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC MACHINE disassembled
Please note that the early lenses of JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMAT had a different enlightenment, which visually casts a purple tint on the front lens. Later lenses, such as this one, shown in this review, had an orange tint.
Aperture petals JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC
Catalog modern brand lenses 'Zenitar' и 'Helios' can look at this link.
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JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATOR - has a unique Kiev-Avtomat bayonet for which there are no adapters for its installation on other cameras. Even if you make the adapter yourself, the lens has no aperture control ring, which makes its use rather inconvenient. Overall, the lens shows poor performance. JUPITER-11 4/135 AUTOMATIC can always be used at F / 4 as a portrait lens. Due to the difficulty of installing such a lens on modern cameras, it is better to find the Jupiter-11 modification with the M39 mounting thread, or with a replaceable shank (A-version).
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I solved the problem of infinity very simply on my machine, unscrewed the first ring, then the nut pressing the lens block, took out the block, under it there is an adjustment ring about 5 mm wide. I put the lens block in place, then the adjustment ring, nut and ring with the logo. Now there is infinity , even with a small overrun that disappeared after attaching the adapter to Nikon, I took a few shots, the lens pleases, a sharp contrast, though only F4, I will continue to think about how to control the diaphragm, it's a pity there is no lathe.
Judging by the video, it is not at all contrasty, although the reviews write different things.
Interested in a few questions:
1. Alteration for Nikon. As they wrote, the adapter KP A / N or M42 / N will go, instead of the main bayonet mount. What is the procedure? Just fasten a new one in place of the old bayonet mount, or do you need to file something down?
2. Aperture. I did not understand whether it can be changed somehow (they wrote about the fitting) or not?
3. Does everyone have such a contrast?
Helios and the world offer, I think it is worth taking or not, for remaking.
Thank you.
Reviews of the slot machines vary. Someone worships them, someone hates them.
Honestly, if the offer is cheap, take it. If it is comparable in price with the normal version, it may not be worth it.
1. Helios and Mir on Nikon will have to be sawed all the same with some napilling - the working distance can be set with hardly one adjustment washer.
2. You can, if you come up with how to bring control to it on the lens
3. Obviously, after the bulkhead of the lens unit and blackening everything that is possible, it will be much more contrasting.
Rodion:
“Reviews of the slot machines vary. Someone worships them, someone hates them ... ”
Do not invent nonsense.
Nobody “worships” them.
The lens is frankly weak and categorically unacceptable for normal use today.
It does not have the slightest advantages over J37 or ordinary J11 - sheer problems. And J37 and J11 for 1000-2000 rubles are full.
Everyone who is used to this machine does it out of despair - since it’s got into the hands, then we must try to get it somehow ...
Rat race…
Well, why do you need the World, the whale 18-55 will replace it by 120%, but I'm generally silent about convenience. Helios is good. I have ju-11 and ju-37, and so the 11th is more beloved - in contrast with its contrast, the picture is soft and luminous, but this is not software
Right Sergei Elizarov writes about white and the Sh-version, and also compares it with 18-55, obviously not in favor of the World, and the picture is kind of peculiar and has a sharpness of 5.6. And there’s a review on. ussrlens.com/optika/widefield/mir-1b-37-2-8 is even worse here, because when choosing I took Isko-gottingen 35 / 3.5
Whales are not an option at all.
World 1 is truly an amateur, as is World 24, like all Soviet optics
Now I'm shooting from Mir 24, as a staffer on a crop - not bad; landscapes - I like portraits (well, shirik is not the best choice) - in different ways, but you need to get used to the drawing.
I really want to test World 1, but a friend doesn’t give a fight (for Nikon), and the lens is not that.
Therefore, while I look closely at World 24, World 1 / B / A, World 1 Avtomat.
As I understand it, only by using a specific instance and a series of shots under different conditions, you can pick up Soviet optics for yourself, and no tests here are online, examples of pictures will not help, because build quality and conditions of use vary greatly and make significant changes.
Tell me which adapter do I need to stick to the case to fit the Nikon D3100?
Please tell me, but the shank from Jupiter 37 And you can’t attach to it in exchange for the bayonet mount?
I made an adapter from a Kiev automatic machine mount to a 4/3 system (Olympus, Panasonic). It is made of plastic on a 3D printer. With the ability to control the diaphragm and without altering the lens. Infinity is preserved. If anyone is interested in acquiring write mezhevskiy@mail.ru.
Under the order I can try to make an adapter for Canon, Nikon. On Nikon without preserving the ability to focus at infinity.
Ingenious review! Especially about the metal lens cap, which is easy to lose. Not once did not lose the lens cap. Share your experience)
I have a later one with a purple tint ...
bokeshka about nothing
Turned up this, for ridiculous money. It was later redone for Nikon. The lens is absolutely nothing good to remember. As already mentioned above, you can take, if not for a lot of money, play, no more.
By the way, the lenses released at 86m (the last year of production, according to Wikipedia), came already with dark aperture blades.
Arkady, is the adapter for NEX necessarily on the M39?
If you make it yourself, you can do anything. With the M39 it seems to me it will be the easiest.