According provided by lens Jupiter-9 2/85 (m39, white, LZOS, serial number No. 6506715) many thanks to Ilya Kostenko (the first official photo flea market of the city of Dnepropetrovsk).
Overview of Jupiter-9 2/85 (m39, white, LZOS)
I came across Jupiter-9 2/85 with a mounting thread M39 × 1 / 45,2 (for SLR cameras) and, judging by the logo, made at the Lytkarino optical glass plant.
The lens, as for the Lytkar version, has an unusual white body color (or rather golden), although it is generally believed that the Lytkarian 'Jupiters' were mainly produced in a black frame (in contrast to the widespread white version of the Krasnogorsk plant) In fact, just the black Lytkarian lens variants were preceded by white Jupiter-9, such as in this review.
Below shown list of major versions of JUPITER / JUPITER-9:
- JUPITER-9 2/85 AUTOMATIC. In the case for the Kiev-10/15 cameras, the Arsenal plant (Kiev), the Kiev-Avtomat mount
- JUPITER-9 1: 2 F = 8.5cm. In a white case, Krasnogorsk, mount Contact-Kiev
- JUPITER-9 1: 2 F = 8.5cm P. In the white building, Arsenal building (Kiev), Contact-Kiev bayonet mount
- Jupiter-9 1: 2 F = 8,5cm P... In a white case, KMZ, M39 for Zenit cameras
- JUPITER-9 2/85. In a white case, Lytkarinsky, M39 for Zenit cameras
- In the black case of the old type, Lytkarinsky, M42 (no review yet)
- JUPITER-9 2 / 85. In a black case of a new type, Lytkarinsky, M42
- MC JUPITER-9 2/85. In a black case of a new type, Lytkarinsky, with 'MS', M42
Jupiter-9 2/85 (m39, white, LZOS)
The Jupiter-9 2/85 from this review has a short and chubby body; in appearance, you will never say that such a lens can be attributed to the telephoto range of focal lengths. The focusing ring is metal, ribbed, rotates 270 degrees, the minimum focusing distance is only 80 cm. Focusing is very smooth and pleasant, although if you quickly rotate the focus ring, you can feel 'dips' when focusing. When focusing, the lens trunk lengthens, but the front lens does not rotate (for comparison, the version Jupiter-9 1: 2 F = 8.5cm P front lens rotates).
On the body there is a scale of focusing distances and a depth of field scale for values F / 2, 4, 5.6, 8, 11, 16. The scale of focusing distances is marked on the back of the focusing ring and is too close to the camera mount, due to the 'nose' of modern CZK it is practically invisible.
Also, the lens has a preset ring and aperture settings. Using the setting ring, you can select the values F / 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6, 8, 11, 16, but in fact you can shoot at any intermediate value (for comparison, black Jupiter-9 2/85 closes the aperture to f / 22). The ridge of the lens is a 15-blade diaphragm with blackened blades that create a perfectly straight aperture, which helps to always get the correct circles in the out-of-focus area. Such a diaphragm is a rarity and is inherent in all modifications of Jupiter-9.
Jupiter-9 2/85 uses light filters with a diameter of 49 mm. He came to my review in his native black small tube with front and rear covers. The front cover is worn over the trunk of the lens, while not particularly fixed and can be easily lost.
Jupiter-9 2/85 (m39, white, LZOS)
Externally, there are 5 different rings on the lens, and from the outside, Jupiter-9 2/85 seems to be a very unusual lens. The front lens casts a pronounced lilac tint, which indicates that the optics are coated. But the trouble is so bad - among all Soviet lensesthat I happened to use, Jupiter-9 2/85 has the most terrible color rendering. When sighting through JVI one gets the impression that a green light filter is screwed onto the lens - everything is flooded with a terrible greenish-yellowish tint. Actually, in the photos automatic white balance can not cope with such a difficult job and gives not the most pleasant picture.
Jupiter-9 2/85 (m39, white, LZOS)
Very poor color performance, not very suitable for photographing people, is still half the trouble (after all, Jupiter-9 2/85 is considered almost the best Soviet portrait lens). Due to its Lytkarin blood, the lens produces a very soft image at F / 2.0-F / 2.8. People who are accustomed to the per-pixel sharpness of their standard modern lenses will sometimes find it painful to look at the pronounced software of Jupiter-9 2/85. Even at F / 2.8, the softness remains and almost completely disappears only at F / 4. This property can, of course, be used for artistic ideas, but I still think that this is a clear drawback of the lens. In addition, the lens does not tolerate side and back light poorly.
Here link to the archive with the originals - 426 MB, 35 photos in .CR2 format (RAW) from the camera Canon EOS 5D (Ff). On Canon cameras, I used a lens with two adapters: M39-M42 and M42-Canon EOS.
Jupiter-9 2/85 (m39, white, LZOS) on the ZK
How to use with modern cameras?
Lenses with an M39 mounting thread (for SLR cameras, M39 X 1 / 45.2), such as the lens from this review, are very easy to use on almost any modern digital camera (both SLR and mirrorless), for this you just need to choose correct adapter. The cheapest adapters can be found aliexpress.com.
For use on modern digital SLR cameras Canon EOS need M39-Canon EOS adapter, you can buy such an adapter (adapter) here. Also, an adapter M39-Canon EOS can be easily replaced with two adapters: M42-Canon EOS + M39-M42. Detailed information on the use of such lenses with any Canon EOS cameras will find here.
An adapter is required for use on Nikon SLR cameras M39-Nikon F, you can buy such an adapter (adapter) without a lens and a chip here. Also, one adapter M39-Nikon F can be easily replaced with two adapters: M42-Nikon F + M39-M42. Detailed information on the use of such lenses with any modern Nikon cameras will find here.
How to use this lens with cameras of other systems (Pentax, Sony, Fujifilm, Olympus, Panasonic, Samsung, Sigma etc.) - ask in the comments and you will be prompted. If you have any questions on compatibility and adapters, ask in the comments (comments do not require any registration at all, any user can add a comment).
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Results
Jupiter-9 2/85 from this review turned out to be a very interesting, but optically weak lens. However, when shooting, I somehow got into it and even got used to its 'swamp' color rendition, which made that cloudy morning pleasant and 'atmospheric'.
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As for my taste, lightweight software gives female models and men softness, but not to fight it in a pixel-by-pixel battle, but for certain tasks it is indispensable.
how many times I fell into the hands of different colors and years, I did not understand what tasks it is irreplaceable in))))
Arkady, thanks for the review! Tell me, is it possible that you came across a not very successful instance? I have such a lens and it seems to be not as bad as yours. Thanks!
Everything can be.
I shot recently with such a lens with a sharpened tail on Nikon, there is infinity. Yes, lateral light does not hold very well, do not apply without a hood. But the picture was sharper than on this one in the review, and already with 2.0 everything was fine, everything was fine with the color, you can see that the sample that fell to Arkady was sinning. True, I couldn’t look at RAV, the attached archive most likely contains pictures from Micro-Nikkor 55 / 2,8
Fixed And for me it is already the 4th from Lytkarino and all of them are godlessly software on 2.0.
Are the factory numbers close? Maybe in what year were the glasses of better quality ...
As an option of course)
rangefinder Lytkarinets 63 years of release in the open
I have not yet seen such a terrible blurring of the background among manual glasses.
and what is terrible in him?
Jupiter's 85 current has a manufacturing error somewhere, stumbled on the Internet. It’s not easy to rule, but it will cope.
If it were in Japan, they would have released a new model - Jupiter-910 :) (humor joke about d600 / 610).
It was just that the Soviet car wasn’t rotary :) and yes, they would have released Jupiter 9.1
I had one, I sold it quickly.
My JUPITER-9 2/85 No. 6506274 http://my.mail.ru/mail/kur23/photo/2497 , the sharpness is normal, but it's a problem to get into it ...
It would have been bayonet and autofocus ...
Hello! Please tell me, on a Soviet lens, not a front lens, either fungi or stains on the inside, I took it apart and decided to clean it, but how can I remove it how can it be and the better to clean the glass?
In fact, the Krasnogorsk mirror white also has the same body (but they are probably very rare), it is possible that it is not coated with such golden varnish (or I don’t remember at all) In the only photo Arkady (the white mirror Krasnogorsk) most likely shows then redone (the case looks like Arsenal's).
This is what it looks like:
http://savepic.org/5649788.jpg
http://savepic.org/5678463.jpg
By the way, maybe someone knows. Of those that I held in my hands: for white Krasnogorsk (both mirrored and rangefinder) lenses for transmission have a bit (just a little bit) cobblestone color (maybe because of this the bottle effect). But the new rangefinder, which has not been in use, does not have such a color shade. It is necessary to shoot different in the same conditions and compare. Enlightenment is lilac for everyone. So the question is: can it be that the lenses become "bottle" during operation (well, maybe from the sun's rays)?
Listen, almost on the topic, but on your question. Yesterday I celebrated the day of the air fleet, I caught the eye of an old old glass, of which we purchased a set somewhere in 1982 .... So all the glasses were made of glass with a purple tint. And not an iridescent tint, but the glass itself had a purple color. Well, since then I was left alone! I took it out and noticed that the color became slightly greenish !!! Something between blue and green towards green! I also asked my wife - after all, the glasses were purple? And then this review !!! Apparently the glass can change color over time. Perhaps something similar happened to the lens.
I have Jupiter-9 in 1984, I really like his drawing, on 2.0 it softs :(, but a nice drawing starts already from 2.8. I like to take portraits by them. I didn’t notice the greenness on my copy.
Thanks for the review, Arkady. I am also the owner of this miracle, and in your review, well, just a word for word describes all the problems that this glass has.
The greenness of glass generally appears under certain lighting conditions. The brighter the light, the more expressive it is. Initially this lens was working since 4.0, I put a thin wire ring under the front lens, and it became quite working at 2.8. What is most interesting, before this alteration, the lens showed a good result at 2.8, if you screw on the Soviet UV filter (I won't tell you the marking from memory right away, if I don't forget, I'll write in the evening). Apparently the filter introduces small distortions, and they correct the defects in the lens itself.
Of the advantages is the price. I took one for 600 hryvnia, which is quite good for an 85-ki. He also quite easily converts to Nikon, gave it to a person and he moved the lens unit for me for 10 bucks, incl. there are no problems with infinity. Well, and the Zonnar picture, if you get used to it - definitely pleases. highlights are masked in boke by such beautiful “bubbles” that another Mayer can envy.
But I would not recommend this glass to anyone. If only to amateurs, such as me, with cramped means to buy optics, that would try the 85 mm focal.
Arkady, I understand that it is stupid to ask you - you make reviews from what is provided to you, so I will turn to my teammates, if I may say so. Radozhivy: dear friends, dear colleagues, just lovers of Soviet manual lenses, if you have a Jupiter-9 MC (namely MC!) Or a Jupiter-9 Automatic machine converted for Nikon / Canon (and I have met such alterations on sale), and there is an opportunity send them to Arkady for review - do it!
Thank you for attention)
Here I have a Jupiter - 9 Automatic machine, converted for m42, in principle with f-2,0 is acceptable, but it's hard to go (small grip) does not give greens, in general, if in a nutshell
- I like it, I could even send it for a test, but this is a problem in my area, the only way I can help, (naturally, who is interested in it) is to drop a photo from it, without processing, but I can also do this in September, probably, maybe be.
Lytkarinsky, I would not have taken it into my hands, let alone test or shoot them. Only Krasnogorsk or Arsenalskie. Zagorsk, alas, did not release them, at least I don’t know about them. Up to 5,6, he also has a special spherical left. Therefore, there is a nuance with the focus drift when focusing on two and subsequent aperture to the working one. Portrait painters in the course. Filmed by Arsenalsky himself. Adjusted for Kiev-4 on a two and 5,6. Put the shift marks. but on the rangefinder he is with VU - it's horror how convenient! So I gave it up. But here you also need to take into account that the lens is corrected for the film, and even black and white. Color rendering was not standardized.
Yes, and yellow - it was his varnish that turned yellow and peeled off from old age.
And terrier. Here you have a reportage for them and a macro shot, but he is not "sharpened" for this, it is a very (very!) Target tool. Put the girl in a chair, give the background, light, and then we'll see how the face will be there, how the field will be formed. It is designed for a full frame, but on the "cropped" edges = then no, one center. The character of the picture changes completely. A target tool.
5e is a full frame, and it is a terrible sin to shoot people with this greenery.
When comparing “head-on” five different Ju9's (rangefinder, mirror and different manufacturers of different years - from 57th to 73rd) and Nikkor auto N 85 / 1,8 on the D90-m revealed - one is absolutely the same with Nikkor , a couple are slightly different in terms of their size, a couple are even more different :-), the differences are visible at 100-150% of viewing, the color temperature of the images - no large deviations were found.
When buying Yu9 in a store, pay attention to the presence of the manufacturer's warranty card :-), when buying "from hand" - to the presence of bolts with torn off slots ... Many "shoals" of old lenses are easily explained by the presence of a large number of "Kulibins" in our area.
Yu - 9 soft focus portrait lens, in fact Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 85/2 sample of 1932, but the materials, and most importantly the build quality are below the plinth. The quality is slightly better in the old Krasnogorskys, a little worse in the Lytkarinskys, but both are much inferior to the original in sharpness and color rendition.
I remember that I bought Helios-81N at auction. So the seller later confessed to me that he had disassembled and cleaned it himself ... And I thought that for the greasy spots on the lenses inside and the blur in the photo :))
After cleaning by a professional, the lens became simply prohibitively sharp with the lens open.
Good afternoon, Arkady! I am the owner of a similar lens - "white" Lytkarinsky "Jupiter-9". It seems that you have come across not a very good copy, since there are no defects and "effects" described on mine. My “Jupiter” is quite sharp already at aperture 2, the color rendition is also normal. Perhaps this is due to the fact that I got the export version - my inscription is in Latin letters - Jupiter-9? Complete data of my lens: Jupiter-9 # 6606671
In my life I have not seen sharp Jupiter-9 produced by LZOS
Well, people write what they have. Some are not overjoyed with their MS versions of the U-9, which Latyrkino riveted. Maybe the reason is that they went through the OTC?
Good specimens usually do not sell, probably this is why they are not visible.
I agree. Few people want to part with good glass :-)
I also have an "export" option. But everything, as Arkady writes
There was no stability of quality, here we must choose and look at a specific instance.
There are 2 Jupiters black (lzos) and white (lzos), got a gift from one old photographer. Both are pretty battered. So, white is just an excellent lens, it does a bit of softness on 2.0 (but does not soap), it paints beautifully out of focus, a nice portrait glass.
Black has transparent enlightenment, holds any light worse, but in general is not bad either.
True, I mostly film.
Conducted a test with two Jupiter-9 1962 release and 1989. White 62go was sharp. like a scalpel is already open, and the black 89th softted even on 4x. Of course a copy from a copy is a difference, and considering how old these lenses are, this is not surprising. By the way, there is also Helios-44. 58-60th year of release. Compared with Helios-44m-7 (1974 I do not remember exactly) and also the old glass pleased with a sharp picture.
the same story as with the Jupiters, that with the Helios) I confirm ps we have an identical configuration compared with you. I also liked the Industrial 22 Krasnogorsk 61 years old, and Tair 11A.
Yu-9 draws softly not because of “Lytkar's blood”. This "blood" is in all Soviet (now - Russian) lenses, since all optical glass suitable for making lenses in the USSR was brewed only in Lytkarino. The Yu-9 uses a seven-lens semi-glued optical scheme of the Zeiss Sonnar made of Schott glass. But when implementing this scheme in the Lytkarinsky palette, it was not possible to reach the quality of the prototype, although for the Biotar scheme it was plowing (Helios-44), and Mir-1 even surpassed its prototype - Zeiss Flektogon 2.8 / 37 - and received the Grand Prix in Brussels.
The quality of Soviet optics and photographic equipment has dropped (not everywhere) “below the floor” since the end of the 60s of the last century, especially among the newly minted BelOMO and other Valdai residents. In the late 60s, the 3/8 "tripod thread for 35mm cameras was replaced by 1/4". I dare to say that all 3/8-inch cameras that have survived to this day were made at the level of the best modern world analogues. In particular, Zenit-3M was once called one of the great DSLRs of the golden age of photography. He is. perhaps the only camera in the world that does not have a single alignment pad, and in terms of accuracy and workmanship deserved the name "Ekzakta" more than the carrier of this brand. As for the optics, for example, the quality of lenses from KMZ (Krasnogorsk) was stable both in the 50s and in the 80s.
"The quality of lenses at KMZ (Krasnogorsk) was stable both in the 50s and in the 80s." - but no, I got burned on the eve by a Krasnogorets, and I will check them meticulously.
Details about Zenit-3m:
http://thecameracollection.blogspot.com/2013/01/zenit-3m.html
http://tomtiger.home.xs4all.nl/Zenit3m.html