Usually, the simple phrase “shutter release” in modern digital SLR cameras is understood as a whole complex of complex mechanical interactions of camera assemblies.
Shutter noise
Here's what happens when you press the shutter button most of the DSLR cameras:
- The main mirror rises. The mirror lifting speed is very high, while the mirror slightly hits its edge against special “pads” located near the matte focusing screen.
- When lifting the main mirror, extra small mirror slams, thus blocking the flow of excess light from the optical viewfinder.
- A special shutter closes the slit of the focus sensors. The curtain is under the mirror.
- The aperture control mechanism is activated. For example, Nikon and Pentax cameras have a special device that covers the diaphragm - the diaphragm pusher. This is a special protrusion near the camera mount that hits the metal receiver on the lens or releases the receiver - thus closing and opening the diaphragm. The sound from the drummer is very loud, and the drummer itself requires a lot of energy. Canon cameras lack a hammer, as the aperture is controlled directly by the electronics and mechanics of the lens itself.
- The aperture blades close, while the aperture blades rub against each other slightly, creating additional noise. In the lens Nikon 50mm1: 1.8D AF Nikkor you can clearly hear the metallic ringing when closing the aperture blades.
- The first shutter curtain is lowered.
- With a certain delay, the second shutter curtain is lowered. The shutter lamellas move very quickly and when they reach the extreme positions they produce a characteristic sound. Some shutters, for example in cameras Sony Alpha NEX-5 create most of the noise.
- After the second curtain completely descended, the camera returns both shutter curtains to their original position
- The diaphragm drummer usually performs a full cycle. After the shutter was released, the drummer completely closes the diaphragm, and then automatically opens it. It may seem strange, but that is how all Nikon lenses work.
- The mirror drops back.
- An additional mirror leans back. In this case, the platoon of the striker mechanism and the mirror lifter can be simultaneously executed.
- The focus shutter returns to its main position.
This is a huge process that happens with the usual “release” of the shutter in modern DSLR cameras. The cycle itself happens very quickly, and as a result, we we can hear only one click, but if you listen to the camera, you will clearly hear a set of individual sounds.
Certain disadvantage of DSLR cameras is exactly the excess noise during shutter release so my camera Nikon D700 has a very hard and noisy "shutter" and this very often gets in the way with certain types of shooting. In order for the camera to operate more quietly, it is often equipped with a special 'quiet' shooting mode. In practice, such a “quiet” shooting mode simply divides the “shutter release” cycle into stages, for example, it raises the mirror in advance and lowers it only after releasing the shutter button, but due to the fact that the camera mechanisms cannot operate slower than their set of speeds noise reduction it turns out insignificant.
Thank you for attention. Arkady Shapoval.
In practice, the “quiet” mode is more suitable for long exposures. IMHO, of course.
Because Even when controlling from the remote control of the same D700, the mirror slams so hard that the camera on a simple tripod shakes for a couple of seconds. It was very “funny” when even the pre-raising of the mirror did not save me (> ___ <).
The same diaphragm pusher or mirror mechanism will not become quieter, as a result, all these "quiet" modes are just ways to make noise longer.
Yes, I wrote about it :). I was recently asked in the temple to turn off the sound of the camera. I had to explain that this is not a soap box where the speaker clicks, but mechanics.
He himself was also recently asked to shoot a report at an academic concert. I explained for a long time that if I clap with my max 85 mm in front of the stage and I just get kicked out of the audience in a couple of minutes) Although it’s a bit easier in terms of shooting concerts, especially if you have enough telefocal. In any room there are sound pits, people don’t sit down there especially, from there the sounds go badly. You can almost safely shoot. It’s true from one angle, well, what can you do.
Although on the other hand, the sound of shooting at the camera as the sound of a car’s engine is appreciated by the owners almost more than many other parameters :)
It's just like I was filming a wedding ... The shutter squelched extremely loudly .. Afterwards I had to listen to a whole speech about my behavior ... As a result, I carry a mirrorless camera to such events, and less and quieter. (A7 II)
Arkady, tell me the shutter lag, the very concept and principle and how it affects the shooting speed, well, everything that is connected with this in different models, if there is a link to the info I will be grateful.
It’s just the delay time between pressing the shutter button and the shutter itself. There is plenty of information on the Internet.
OK, thanks, I'll see.
Thank you again for the next educational program. On the Nikon 3100 camera there is also a quiet mode. The truth from it is not so much. Thank you.
The noise is not noise, but the girl told me that on my DSLR the “shutter sound” is not correct, but on her chaise (like a soap dish, only zakos under the DSLR, superzoom) the shutter sound is much better! I couldn’t tell her that this melody is playing for her, but my pieces of iron are rattling ....
Quiet mode is needed if you usually shoot with a “sound beep” of focus confirmation, and you suddenly need to shoot people or animals so that they do not jerk at this sound. In order not to go into the menu - just quickly flip the lever from “normal” to “quiet” and do not bother anyone, and if you do not release the button immediately after the picture, but move the lens to “somewhere else,” you can pretend that others were filmed at all - the loudest sound is the “lowering the mirror”. ))
The champion in shutter noise and vibration from its operation is Fujifilm S5 pro! No lag saves.
Strange, it was made on the basis of Nikon D200 - I thought that the shutters are the same there, but on the 200-ke it is quite quiet .., you see the shutters are different.
I recently bought a Nikon 5100. In the evenings, when everyone is asleep, in the kitchen I try to figure out what and how. so because of the high volume of the shutter, the spouse mutters that I disturb sleep. sorry for my wife the sensitivity on the ear cannot be lowered :(, there are more settings on the fotik ...
Thanks to the author for the work and desire for us to try.
You should not think so, Vitaly. I have a d5200. The friend has d5100. It has a much quieter and nicer shutter sound. And it’s very somehow even mild (sometimes it sounds like it’s not working out completely, but in fact everything works fine). And I have a very noisy shutter on the d5200. Impossible to take a picture covertly. Just at night it seems to you that it is very loud.
The sensitivity on the ear can be reduced with a cotton swab)))
And I have an old Zenit-11 camera and its noise, pressing the shutter button, triggering the shutter, moving the curtains, it all looks like unloading scrap metal from a dump truck, for someone a hammer blow on an anvil or just a bundle of fittings crashed into the shop, or there is a piece iron fell…. When I picked up my newly bought EOS 600 and took the first couple of shots, I was so surprised by the quiet operation of the shutter ... Excuse me, but I still wonder how the sound of modern CZK can annoy you?
If the question is for me, then the sound is not annoying, and sometimes it interferes.
No, Arkady, not for you, I, in general, for all owners of the TsZK, and especially to those forum users and reviewers who took the TsZK for the first time in their life, without holding anything cooler than a soap box and their iPhone, and twirl their nose in front of the shutter sound! !!
After the first shot and the sound of the shutter I heard, I realized that I would not have a return to the "soap boxes" :). Sorry if you touched someone's feelings. Arkady is very grateful for his work, thanks to him the hobby has grown into a serious "illness" :) Thank you again!
There really is a certain charm to this. The sound creates an accurate belief that a picture has taken :)
I also liked the sound of the DSLR. Until I realized in several situations that he really interferes and is not in the subject. Now for everyday shooting I carry an advanced “soap box”, and its noiselessness is still a plus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=497hoS_kvjM Symphony of sounds different Nikon cameras.
Quiet mode is relatively quiet I rent sometimes it can be heard in a quiet room
Also delighted with the click of a DSLR, the same feeling arises when typing on a mechanical keyboard - a cacophony of clicks.
And for me it’s better than if the camera was absolutely mute. If not alive - horror!
That you have not heard the sound of the operation of Kiev-88! If you bring it to your ear, you’ll become an invalid or a stutter!
Scary wives
The sound of the shutter is a tse yak song. І is practical in the skin photo camera of vіn rіzniy. XNUMX caveat:
D200, D300, D300s, D3 - a soft and rough sound to the shutter, more cholovich, pure.
D90, D7xxx - soft and large female.
D5xxx - Trochi accepting the three thousandth series, or not being captured.
D3xxx - cheapness went to the sound of the shutter.
Arkady, as far as I know, on Nikon the aperture jump is implemented in a slightly different way: when the lens is mounted on the camera, the spring-loaded lever on the lens cockes (the diaphragm opens as much as possible), and when released, it releases (the aperture closes to the set value). That is, during the descent, the protrusion does not strike more likely, but releases the jump lever.
Like Pentax, I don’t know.
That's right. I ask Arkady to fix in the article.
Fixed
Yes, but when you close it, it clicks "hits".
The loudest DSLRs are SONY. Always hear them)
Oh yes, even the most basic ones. clap mom don't cry, but I must say very tasty clap
so - well, nafig them, SLR cameras.
mirrorless only, as the direct descendants of rangefinders!
Oleg, all the fools have gathered here, aren't they?
don't get ready!
Very funny joke about mirrorless. My Sony NEX-3 pounds shutter like a railway wheel at the joints. Mirrorless, her mother, my mirrors are much quieter and softer work.
don't judge by one camera
You should not generalize and assume that if a mirrorless is a quiet one.
The Samsung NX11 has a fairly quiet shutter, I even shot at the theater once. And the Panasonic Lumix has a silent electronic shutter, however, the noise of the diaphragm under cover can be clearly heard, depending on the lens.
Better yet, the soap dish is film-free, without batteries, without a flash, without focusing and aperture. A dream, not a camera, right?
but please tell me if the mirror rises (gives light to the matrix) for 1/8000 sec ??
in soap dishes it is done programmatically, on your film camera mechanically ??? But what about digital SLRs ??
What is the difference film or number
Light gives a shutter.
sorry, I know, I did not think something and did not clearly formulate the question
The mirror rises for a much longer time, I’ll tell you a secret, even the shutter curtains in the frame run longer than 1/8000 sec, just the second curtain starts to close before the first reaches its final position, and it turns out that at such shutter speeds there is a narrow band exposure, which runs through the entire field of the frame, but each pixel on the matrix is exposed exactly 1/8000 sec
The shutter speed determines the sync speed with the flash, if it is 1/200, it means that the shutters move from edge to edge of the frame during this time. Shorter shutter speeds are formed due to the fact that the second curtain begins to move before the first one reaches the edge of the frame, as a result of which the entire frame is exposed in the same 1/200 second, but each individual element (pixel, film section) is exposed at a given shutter speed ( for example, the same 1/8000), due to the fact that the resulting gap illuminates the elements in turn and in a short time.
It scurries and shuttles, like the reactive shadow of Hamlet's father ...
at a friend's D5100, I have a D300, we often climb on the night one, so at 5100 the noise is gentle, I would say) not that on the D300 like a jackhammer)) although I like the sound of the D300 more, it inspires reliability chtol ....
In short, it's not in vain that I was going to take Nikon D610 with a quiet mode)) Maybe he is not so quiet, but if they ask the church to make it quieter, I will))
Nikon D610 is significantly louder than the Kenon 6D. and worse, has a dark JVI.
The brightness of the viewfinder depends on the optics installed. If you put the kit from the younger cropped models, it will be dark in the viewfinder. If you put high-aperture optics, it will be light. So it was worth comparing with the same optics. I don't think that the viewfinder will be very different in terms of illumination. And the difference in the coverage area of the viewfinder in the 6D is 97% and in the D600 - 100%, but I don’t think that this somehow affects its "brightness". And if shooting in a church, then most likely a wedding, and here the dynamic range is more important in order to extract information from the shadows, and it is several times greater in Nikon D600 / D610.
Well, do not forget about the ability to shoot on two flash drives at the same time, because after reading the forums of wedding photographers, some have died flash drives on arrival home, and information can usually be pulled out only in special offices for a considerable amount of money.
People even manage to perform something like music on cameras.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=497hoS_kvjM
Amusing video! But why is the leading "musician" rushing ??
I have a D600 (the one in the review on the site), which seems to me that the D610 is not far from the sound of the D600 :) Well, the D600 sounds like more top brothers, some familiar photographers even did something like a compliment to him xD :)
I’ll insert my piglet. The pleasant shutter sound of the last Nikonov pro filmmakers, it all ends with the noise of the film’s broach. :) I recommend.
Now I decided to double-check, and recorded on video the process of shooting without a lens in quiet mode and normal. Indeed, the speeds of the mechanics did not change, but were spaced in time.
Who cares - an approximate chronology:
In normal mode, the jumper and the mirror move simultaneously, and when the mirror approaches the end point, the shutter opens. After exposure, the shutter closes and immediately the mirror and jump rope begin to move back.
In silent mode, the jumper first opens, only after that the mirror begins to open, after the mirror finally opens, a short pause follows (about 50ms), then the curtain opens. After exposure, the shutter closes, after 150 ms both shutters come back, and only after that the mirror and the jump (and simultaneously) come back.
The sound of the shutter-balm to the photographer’s soul! Without it, a movie without sound or on Harley coast. IMHO.
Now it’s clear why the shutter works so quietly on the 6D Kenon. there are no jumpers anyway, and the rest has been torn apart in time, so they got an almost noiseless version.
But Sony does not have any noise. There the mirror does not move.
There is noise due to the shutter.
In my opinion, the D40 has the coolest "shutter noise"! Simply incomparable! It can only be bought for this !!! :) The 7100 is no longer the same, although it's still better than Canon :)
I recently purchased Nikkormat and realized that modern cameras even have a scary shutter sound
noticed that when shooting cats in a quiet mode and, in addition, without autofocus illumination) - in general, animals do not shy away from half a meter and do not close their eyes) and the sound in this mode is more pleasant as for me when shooting slowly up to 2 frames per second.
Earlier complex in the quiet robots of the Alpha 77. A little bit of a bonus. In theaters, at conferences, etc. - quietness - just prescribing those licenses.