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  1. Denis
    18.06.2013

    Yes, I used to think that the buffer concerns only burst shooting (in the “machine gun” mode). Until I started shooting in RAW and faced with the fact that the camera turns out to shoot after several shots taken in a row, even with an interval of several seconds. At first I did not understand what was happening, the camera stopped taking pictures and turned off too :) Then it came to light (by the burning LED of accessing the memory card) that the matter is in RAW format ...

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  2. Constantine
    18.06.2013

    Small clarification. "The buffer has a stacking principle - the first shot got there, the first shot from there and was recorded on the card." Is the principle of a queue. Stack - first in, last out.

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    • av1981
      15.07.2013

      I disagree. Queue is FIFO (First In First Out). And the stack is LIFO (last in, first out) - a stack of plates on the table. So don't confuse queue and stack. And how it is organized in a particular camera - you can find out by taking a series of shots until the buffer is full (for example, a photo of a working stopwatch) and turning off the camera in the middle of the recording process. Then look at the pictures and their time of creation.

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  3. Denis
    18.06.2013

    It is not entirely clear why the buffer barely allows shooting in series. Digital technology strides every day with leaps and bounds, and quite expensive cameras have one of the brakes with a small buffer capacity. Or is the price of the camera directly dependent (and very much) on the buffer capacity?

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    • Gene jb
      18.06.2013

      The problem is that fast memory is expensive, so little is put on it to make it cheaper. In addition, no matter how large the buffer is, memory cards are very slow, so you still run into a buffer overflow and waiting for a write. a good option would be to use a hard drive in the camera. I remember there was a real iron winchester in nokia. small truth ... but apparently there is little reliability.

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      • anonym
        27.11.2018

        This is called microdrive, it was once used in cameras, the form factor is similar to that of CF, but it loses in speed due to the presence of a mechanical component (the reduced train from the PC is shorter)

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    • Oleg
      19.06.2013

      Niche products. If cheap cameras shoot fast and well, then who will buy expensive cameras? If expensive cameras will shoot quickly and well, then who will buy expensive cameras of the next model?

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    • Arkady Shapoval
      19.06.2013

      This is also a mystery to me. The most incomprehensible is why the buffer decreases when additional functions are enabled. After all, it is not easier to drive 100 "raw" frames into the buffer, and then process them with the processor, even if for a long time. Now I see that already processed frames get into the buffer and the buffer itself does not decrease its size, but the number of frames that the camera processor can process decreases. After all, it is strange that the same Nikon D700 places 17 frames of 25 MB each, that is, 425 MB of memory is spent, and at the same time, when you turn on all sorts of ADL, etc. the buffer decreases. Most likely, the limitations are in the processor's capabilities, this is very clearly seen when shooting on the Nikon D300 with 14-bit color depth, when due to processor limitations the camera can only produce 2.5 frames per second.

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      • Gene jb
        19.06.2013

        The problem is that a Nikon computer has only one memory. And when he processes a photo, he does it in the same memory, and it processes RAW, not JPEG, and for JPEG there is some hardware unit in the processor, respectively, the more functions you need to do with the picture, the more space is needed for intermediate results and maybe some tables, I do not know how they process there. In addition, the program of the processor itself most likely also works from the RAM, as on Canon. It's faster. Hence the brakes. It turns out like this: Matrix-> RAW-> Processing -> (processing) -> RAWwriteToFlash or the last action RAW-> JPEG-> WriteToFlash

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      • av1981
        15.07.2013

        A RAW photo is fed into the buffer in any case, even if you save it in JPEG. After processing (ADL, etc.), the result is also saved in a buffer, also in RAW (the previous RAW is deleted, otherwise there will not be enough space for multiple intra-camera processing), and so on. Only then it is compressed into JPEG (if necessary, in the same buffer) and written to the card. In general, a buffer is an analogue of a computer's RAM.

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  4. Leonid
    18.06.2013

    Dear Constantine, you are a little mistaken with the definition of the stack, it is also called FIFO (first input first output), that is, the first in, the first out. The stack in computing is the principle of a queue, the FILO technology - First input Last output is a very computationally expensive operation and requires three times the size of memory for indexing arrays.
    Regarding the article, I actually noticed how the camera sometimes slows down and especially on the rams (RAW, NEF). But most often a smart card saves, so I do not save on cards, and in extreme need I turn to serial shooting. I am not a pro, I am an amateur, therefore your articles for both pros and those like me are very important, as always a very comprehensive analysis, briefly accurate. thanks

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    • Constantine
      20.06.2013

      Leonid, kategoricheski nesglasen! Stack - eto kak raz LIFO / FILO (Last-In-First-Out), a ochered (Queue) naoborot - FIFO (First-In-First-Out).

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  5. Denis
    19.06.2013

    In the STACK there is an entrance-exit from one side: the last one came - the first one left, in order to get the first comer, you must first get those who came after him in the reverse order. IN QUEUE, the entrance is on one side, and the exit is on the other, i.e. first came - first out. The framebuffer is a typical, non-looped queue.

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    • Alexander
      15.01.2017

      You are clearly not a programmer.

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      • Denis
        15.01.2017

        I'm just a programmer. started with assembler (still on the Spectrum), I know what push and pop are
        on PC itself also programmed in assembler
        microcontrollers AVR, 8051, PIC, AVR32, ARM
        I even wrote an article in a radio magazine once, everything is as it should be - a program for a controller, for a computer and a printed circuit board :)

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  6. Sasha
    20.06.2013

    And how to extract pictures from the buffer on nikon?

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    • Arkady Shapoval
      20.06.2013

      Just like on Canon.

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      • sashka
        24.06.2013

        Can you tell the process?

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      • Arkady Shapoval
        24.06.2013

        Everything is very simple. Install the memory card in the central control unit or the system camera, take it off and wait until the lamp-indicator of access to the memory card finishes blinking.

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      • av1981
        15.07.2013

        Thin banter? )))))

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      • Arkady Shapoval
        15.07.2013

        yes, without enthusiasm for such questions immediately and do not give an answer :)

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  7. kozig
    21.06.2013

    So the camera should only be prof.)

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    • av1981
      15.07.2013

      No. The buffer is everywhere - even in the cheapest soap dishes. Size matters only for high speed burst shooting.

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  8. Yuriy75
    21.06.2013

    Why only prof. for fans or for starters, you can Canon Power shot G15. The rate of fire is not so hot, but a decent aperture quality pictures like amateur DSLRs, EGFs of 28-140 mm, aperture f1.8-2.8, even the HDR mode (something like bracketing, only the camera itself glues the photo together, and with the selection of optics need to suffer.

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    • Yuriy75
      21.06.2013

      By the way, it would not be bad to see reviews of such equipment from Radozhiva and to hear Arkady's opinion about them.

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    • Denis
      25.06.2013

      With a 1 / 1.7 matrix, this aperture gives only one advantage - it's easier to shoot in low light. You can forget about the small depth of field and, accordingly, good portraits.
      And so, if you do not take into account the small matrix, then as a second camera "for every day" it is very good, given the dimensions.

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  9. Eugene
    17.12.2013

    Yesterday, when shooting, the camera focused, but the shutter refused to work every time when the shutter button was pressed, and the camera did not turn off at the same time. Then the problem disappeared. Tell me, does this look like a buffer problem? (otherwise I was about to go to the diagnostics, because I never met this in my old d5100.

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  10. Some0neElse
    29.12.2013

    Eugene, what you described is a completely normal mode of camera operation. Your CDC (D5100) has a buffer full, so the CDC firmware blocked the shutter release. the resulting frame would simply have nowhere to write to the RAM (CZK buffer). The camera, on the other hand, did not turn off until all your images were recorded on the memory card. I recommend that you buy a faster SDHC class 10 or UHS-I memory card. Or switch to JPG instead of RAW for burst shooting. It is also possible to lower the quality settings for JPG files to the basic level, which will reduce the size of the generated files and accordingly “increase” the speed of buffer underrun.

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  11. Jury
    27.04.2014

    Guys, why doesn’t anyone consider the possibility of a banal purchase of 10+ memory? That's right, if you have 4 class memory, then the brakes are present. I buy a rather expensive SLR to save memory is a perversion!

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  12. Pauline
    07.07.2014

    Tell me please. I have a nikon d5100. and it happens (buffer 27) takes a few frames, and after that it only focuses, but does not take a picture. What is it? Sometimes it takes 16 frames, sometimes 6, and sometimes it takes one before it takes a few seconds

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    • anonym
      22.08.2014

      Perhaps, if focus is given priority, then when shooting a series, focus is lost and the camera focuses again before continuing to shoot.

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  13. Alexey
    22.08.2014

    On the D7100, with a recording speed of 90 MB / s and shooting Fine Jpeg of size L with a maximum speed, 12 frames are placed in the buffer (with nine specified by the device). In crop x1.3 mode, with the same parameters, 16-17 pictures fit into the buffer (with the specified 12). However, when shooting in RAW in any modes, the volume of the series differed by a maximum of 1-2 frames. So here. If you take a card with a recording speed of 280 Mb / s (faster than three-plus times), then how much will the buffer increase when shooting in RAW?

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  14. Tom
    26.03.2015

    Alexey, first you need to make sure that your camera supports the UHS-II interface in order to use the card with a recording speed of 280 Mb / s. In it, the contacts are in two rows, otherwise it will work at normal speed.

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  15. Dmitriy
    07.05.2015

    If I took a couple of frames without a memory card, and I got successful pictures that I would like to save, but they hang in the buffer, is there any way to transfer them from there to a memory card or to a PC?

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  16. anonym
    26.06.2015

    I had the same question as Dmitry’s, please help, I really want to restore good photos taken with a camera without a flash drive

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  17. Diana, Samara, 1995
    26.06.2015

    I had the same question as Dmitry’s, please help, I really want to restore good photos taken with a camera without a flash drive

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  18. Sergei
    17.12.2016

    Hello! Please tell me, can anyone do this. I would like to save on flash drives, but I do not know if it is possible. I want to buy a high-speed x1000 CF 32GB and a bunch of cheap 32GB SD 10 class, configure the main CF, and on the SD backup, and when the SD is full, change, and format the CF and shoot further. All pictures are taken on SD, and CF for the speed of burst shooting. I just don’t know if the number of frames in the series before the stop is the same as just with a CF card or will the camera still slow down and wait for the SD to be duplicated?

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  19. Elena
    09.03.2017

    Hello! I have a Nikon D700. When shooting, one file is written to the memory buffer and that’s all (although the display shows that another 15 can be written!). I can’t shoot a series! Tell me what could be the problem.

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    • Pastor
      09.03.2017

      Does the serial shooting mode cost?

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      • Elena
        09.03.2017

        Worth it.

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      • Pastor
        09.03.2017

        Does it take a series without a card? Although, in theory, the buffer should still clog, even if the card is bad. Does the series not work in any autofocus and exposure mode? Worked before?

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      • Elena
        09.03.2017

        Thanks for answers. I reset all settings again and the series appeared. Something in the settings was in the way.

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      • Pastor
        09.03.2017

        Well, thank God)

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  20. R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№
    15.09.2017

    Please recommend a memory card for Nikon D90

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    • Neustrdm
      10.08.2020

      Since the new SDXC cards are not supported by Nikon d90, then take any branded 32 gig class 10.

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      • Ivan
        10.08.2020

        According to the passport - yes, they are not supported, but in fact I inserted a 64 GB card and the D90 took it perfectly and showed the corresponding frame capacity.

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      • Arkady Shapoval
        11.08.2020

        No, not everything is great. He will not write video on 64 GB at all.

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  21. Ivan Ivanov
    10.08.2020

    A very useful article. And then on sites apparently rewrite the data of the camera from the instructions, and the data in them sometimes differs from reality. On the Nikon D750 camera everywhere they write that in the Ch mode (high-speed continuous shooting in RAW, the maximum buffer should fit 21 frames. No matter how hard I fight, more than 12 does not come out. It seems that I have already gone through all the modes in the menu. And one more thing, why, when you set the camera to C l (low-speed serial) at 4 frames / sec in the viewfinder, the same 12 frames, it seems like it should would I enter more - the interval between shots is greater or the number of shots will be the same?

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    • Arkady Shapoval
      10.08.2020

      The buffer memory does not change in any way. Therefore, if the memory card is slow, after filling the buffer, they will be written to it. They write 21 with a specific memory card, usually fast, while 12 frames are being filled in the buffer, the first 6 frames have time to be written to the memory card. Then the brakes are applied.

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  22. Olesya
    13.08.2022

    So, what is the power supply if the number of frames in raw changes to the camera, but if I need more frames for processing, can I turn them around? More?

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    • Arkady Shapoval
      13.08.2022

      Describe your problem in more detail, indicating the model of the camera and its settings

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  23. Valery
    11.12.2022

    Who will tell you why, when I copy photos to a memory card on my computer, the camera does not see them?

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    • B. R. P.
      11.12.2022

      Because Windows is not installed on the fotik :)

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