Photo tricks. Part 17.

This part of the photo tricks is about a very small subtlety of control shutter speed on some SLR cameras.

Photo tricks. Part 17

Photo tricks. Part 17

In almost all modern central control centers, you can choose the step exposure 1/2 or 1/3 steps. Depending on this, only a specific set of excerpts can be used.

Thank you for attention. Arkady Shapoval.

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Comments: 47, on the topic: Photo tricks. Part 17.

  • Michael

    Canon EOS 5D Mark III and Canon EOS 7D

  • Alexey N.

    The S5 Pro has such a feature :) I used to rack my brains how to install 1/220 seconds :) it turns out nothing!

  • Anatoly

    Why not use the Bulb + remote control, which allows you to measure any shutter speed, which soul pleases?

    • Arkady Shapoval

      Try Bulb to set 1 / 900s. Bulb only works well for long exposures.

    • av1981

      Bulb is a freehand exposure and is designed for long time intervals of one second or more (human reaction). And the signal transmission from the remote control may be longer than the shutter speed you want. Inaccuracies in shutter speed can be corrected with aperture, ISO sensitivity, ND filters (possibly variable density), even focal length and shooting in RAW format. Maybe I missed some other methods. By the way, Arkady, why not write an article about shooting techniques and equipment used at extremely low (no flash) and high (when 1/4000 is no longer enough) illumination levels?

  • Gene jb

    I don’t know about exposure, but ISO for example in 400Dplus can be set to 120-130-140, etc. But there is no real sense in this. Very often, the camera is mistaken for a whole stop, or even 2 for exposure and the proportion of stop will not help here. Moreover, the RAW converter draws as much as 2 stops.
    Arkady, some questions in the questions and answers remain unanswered….

    • Arkady Shapoval

      I'm not a car, get me too. I can not answer all the comments. Moreover, I see all the new comments from the whole site at once, and there are a lot of them.

  • Michael

    "I see all the new comments from all over the site at once, and there are a hell of a lot of them." - it's time to hire a "writer"! :))

    • Arkady Shapoval

      You can do this if you have the opportunity and desire :)

  • R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№

    Dear Arkady, manufacturers give guaranteed 150000 shutter releases, and how much can be real, for example, you use the D40 for a long time, who has what time it works, wedding people, reporters, respond.

    • = MK =

      Canon 450D - 88, normal flight.

    • Manych

      D40 departed 60 thousand, and the brushes on the shutter drive motor were erased.

    • BB

      D5100 - more than 120k, only dust on the matrix, otherwise normal.

  • Boris

    Shutter operating time is such rogue! Everyone is terrified that the device will “die” at the end of the promised resource! I want to reassure EVERYONE: if the shutter is not a factory defect, if the user is not a mocking bastard who specifically clicks the shutter to ruin it, then the resource is very conditional and almost always covers it 2-3 times, even on entry-level devices. Moreover, for example, shutters for "Nikons" have been developed for a very long time and, most likely, manufactured by "Kopal", and this is a guarantee of high reliability.

    • av1981

      I confirm. He collided himself. As soon as I read about the existence of the concept of “shutter MTBF” equal in my case to 100-150 thousand actuations, I was afraid to take another picture, just not to bring it closer. DON'T LIKE THE NUMBERS !!! Shoot and shoot again. 100 photos every day is 3-4 years. And if Boris is right, that's enough for 5-10 years. During this time (the more you shoot, the sooner) you will most likely gain experience and buy another camera that meets your needs better than the previous one. So, according to my calculations, it will not have time to break.

    • Artem

      yeah, and my nikon d300 worked for 120 thousand and came up with a drive raising the mirror. so besides the shutter there are more details.

  • Mikhail

    Guys who worked with FEDs, ZORKI, KIEV, SALUTES, who will tell you exactly how many developments they have, and what footage of the film was stretched ??? For a good shot, the standard range of shutter speeds and apertures plus PHOTOGRAPHER was enough ... I WANT to hear and see the spoiled masterpiece, which lacked 0,0012 sec. shutter speed to win the GRAND PRIX ... There is such a service - METROLOGY - all questions are there, and photography is art. There is no need to confuse and frighten with numbers and zeros. SHUTTER - marriage - is - marriage. Even a cool camera can die in a moment and without even saying goodbye ... There can be many reasons ... Statistics here will not help and you do not need to look for reasons in the manufacturer and the consumer = TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF AND YOUR EQUIPMENT AND GOD WILL HELP US ...

    • Gene jb

      The shutter is a mechanical part, especially made of plastic. Accordingly, the plastic wears out, warps, etc.

      • Boris

        Perhaps the shutter of your camera is even made of papier-mâché. In cameras with electronic-mechanical shutters (just in DSLRs), WHERE IT IS NECESSARY, THERE IS METAL. Where possible, a polymer part with high dynamic, static, impact-resistant, acid-solvent-nozzle-resistant reliability is placed. I am telling you as a certified specialist in plastics and as a person who has delved a lot in the “guts” of electronic DSLRs and has seen this plastic live in cameras. You just don’t have to be a barbarian and treat the device with dignity!

    • Amateur__1980

      I worked with Zenith ET and TTL, and with Kiev-19.
      The Zeniths of the 1970s and 1980s suck, soviet-Rushensky junk. Initially unreliable. The maximum resource is up to 100 films (3600 frames). At any time, the shutter could turn off, and the mirror could not become out of place (which made it difficult to correctly focus)
      Kev-19 is much more reliable - I think 200 films will withstand. Since Kiev has a metal lamella shutter, it works well both in winter and summer.

      • Amateur___1976_year

        Why don't you love your Motherland so much ...? I would go where it doesn't suck ...! And there is no need to be rude in response ... If ours was junk, it was necessary to go to the designer and do not junk, and then many know how to be clever, but when it comes to things, the tongue in the ass right away….

        • Yarkiya

          And here is the love of the motherland and the sloppy quality of any products of those years?

          • Alexander Malyaev

            Nevertheless, “the mice pricked, cried, but continued to eat cacti” ... there are already one hundredth Jupiter in the collection, and a hundred more similar to that era. ;) Because the combination of price and quality is now excellent, rarely can anyone afford a Zeiss collection.

            PS The phrase “soviet-rashensky” - sounds rude and unethical, it’s bad. If you wanted to hurt someone, then don't just paint yourself.

            • Alexander Malyaev

              Yarkiy, the post-script is certainly not addressed to you, do not get it wrong.

            • Yarkiya

              Poking a stranger also says something.

              • Alexander Malyaev

                I completely agree with you, I also do not like rudeness on the Internet from anyone. Some need to learn to hold back emotions in public.

          • Alexander Malyaev

            By the way, did you compare the sharpness of the 85s on the D7100 and D600? What do you think? A few days ago I did a cross-test of 85s and 70-210s on one focal point and f / 4 - by the way, I was also amazed at the quality of my copy on a full frame, and changed my mind about selling it.

            • Yarkiya

              Well, I can admit that you were right about the conditionality of my test. I found these pictures and carefully studied (loudly) reviewed. :) I completely agree with you that without a tripod, in a hurry, in conditions of not constant lighting, it is almost impossible to get a satisfactory result. By the way, along with these cameras, I clicked the same objects with my old 5100 and a 40 mm micro store. In general, the images from 600 and 5100 are almost identical and the same in sharpness and exposure, the 7100 is also not very different in most, but there are a few frames where I did not step back to even the air, and here the difference in detail is visible on them, but very visible. I no longer remember my feelings and thoughts at that time, all the same, a little over a year, but I think that it was these shots that became decisive, although I remember exactly that I was digging the Internet in search of everything that could be found on this topic. Price really played a role, but not the most important one.

              • Alexander Malyaev

                Don't sell the D5100 too? ;) Are you shooting them on a par with the D7100 or is it just a pity to sell a good thing?

              • Yarkiya

                Oh, what you sold a long time ago, she fell from me, from the coffee table and died :(

          • Amateur___1976_year

            Yes, at that time the quality was normal…. Well, no one argues that those Nikon film cameras had a longer resource ... Our cameras did not all break either ... I have a Moscow built in 2, one hundred percent still working, in those days I only adapted the sync contact there myself…. Only for those film times, our optics were still better than theirs ...

          • Amateur___1976_year

            Yes, at that time the quality was normal .... Nobody argues that those film Nikons had more resources ... Our cameras, too, did not all break down .... I have Moscow 2 1959 of release, one hundred percent working until now, in those days I only adapted sync contact there myself .... Only here, in those film times, our optics were still better than theirs ...

            • Yarkiya

              And nevertheless, serious guys tried to buy not zeniths or feds, but nikons. The first Nikon I saw was this guy. Remember “in the animal world”?

              • Amateur___1976_year

                Yes, I remember ... But these are serious ones, who had incomes that were not entirely laborious, and for an ordinary amateur it was cheaper to buy five zeniths than one Nikon ...

      • Andrey Super

        Also an amateur photographer from 1980 - 1982, I don't remember more precisely.) Do not breach tovarisch at Zenith!

  • M

    In Pentax K5, in the “flash on another curtain” mode, you can display the maximum display 1/90 ... This is just as the synchronization speed is maximal in the mobile mode of the robot and sleeper 1/180

  • Max

    This may still depend on the exposure / exposure compensation step set in the camera menu (1 ev, 1 / 2ev, 1 / 3ev).
    For example, again in Pentax K5, the set of shutter speeds differs with different exposure compensation steps.
    Also, this sometimes can happen when automatic exposure compensation is turned on.

  • d.martyn

    In Nikons (I don’t know about the Kenons, I think the same) there is such a setting as “exposure change step”, incl. and by shutter speed: 1 / 2EV or 1 / 3EV. So use a smaller step (1/3) for a more accurate adjustment. For me, for example, 1/2 is more convenient, especially in the manual.

    • Arkady Shapoval

      The step does not help to use the intermediate values ​​for which I wrote in the article.

    • Yuraelectric

      I have a Nikon D200 and D60.
      The choice of shutter speed 1 / 2EV or 1 / 3EV is available only in prof. Nikon's carcasses (I will not say for other systems). For example, in the D60, the shutter speed is only 1 / 3EV. From here, as I understand it, we have in D200: 1 / 30s - 1 / 40s - 1 / 45s -1 / 50s - 1 / 60s, while D60 doesn't have 1 / 45s, because there is no choice of exposure in 1/2 EV steps.
      As a result, in my opinion, the D200 puts a shutter speed of 1/45, 1/90 or the like, not for super-duper accurate exposure, but simply because such exposure is supported by the carcass due to the shutter being able to work in 1 / 2EV increments as well and in increments of 1 / 3EV.
      If the D200 could super-finely set the shutter speed, why not 1 / 35s and 1 / 55s - such shutter speeds, but only 1 / 45s? It's simple 1 / 30-1 / 45-1 / 60 with half a step and 1 / 30-1 / 40-1 / 50-1 / 60s with one third of a step.
      And when shooting in modes where the shutter speed is set automatically with us and the shutter speeds are 1/80 and 1/90 and 1/100. The exposure meter exposes 1/90 - because the shutter supports this, and the camera settings are either 1 / 3EV or 1 / 2EV. And at the same time, the user cannot set both steps, but the camera itself can be in modes A and P :)
      Simply, most people are accustomed to a step of one-third of a step and a step of 1 / 2EV looks unusual.
      Given the written article, you can correct IMHO.

  • d.martyn

    Gee. Repeated Max.

  • Roman

    At mine

    • Roman

      Sorry for the early pressed enter)
      My camera turned out to run 10 thousand a year) does this figure not remind anything?
      somehow I try not to take pictures of everything I see ... Although in 2 weeks of vacation, under a thousand comes out (and drove about 1000 km by car.)

      • Oleg

        a mileage of 10 thousand per year is your right, often people have a much greater interest in photography, especially if we consider it from the point of view of art, where without experiments, I am convinced that if you treat the camera with love, it will not leave you into another world earlier than it should be.

  • Anton

    Comrades, you are discussing the "life" of the shutter so vigorously that I cannot refrain from statistics. http://www.olegkikin.com/shutterlife/nikon_d90.htm (D90 as an example)

  • shashlykh

    I will support YuraElectric.

    D2Xs camera. EV step 1 \ 3. We look:
    (starting from 1 \ 10) 10,13,15,20,25,30,40,50,60,80,100,125,160,200,250,320,400,500,640,800,1000,1250,1600,2000,2500,3200,4000,5000,6400,8000

    EV step 1 \ 2.
    10,15,20,30,45,60,90,125,180,250,350,500,750,1000,1500,2000,3000,4000,6000,8000

    In EV step 1 mode, we don’t even have 1 \ 10s
    8,15,30,60,125,250,500,1000,2000,4000,8000

    In the same EV 1 \ 2 mode, we get 1 \ 45, \ 90, 750 and so on. But, to be honest, the difference between 800 and 750 is so small (in my opinion) that it can be ignored.

    The D2Xs camera, the same situation with the d300 and d700 (I remember such an item in the menu, these cameras were not at hand).

  • Yur @} ------->

    some text in the style "dyakuyu, kep"))

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