For the opportunity to review MS MTO-11 10/1000 Many thanks to Alexander Gradovsky.
MS MTO-11 10/1000 with a light filter
TTX MTO-11 10/1000
Focal length: 1000 mm
Aperture: F / 10
Weight: 2.5kg
Filter Diameter: 120 mm
Optical design: 3 lenses, 2 mirrors, 5 elements and 3 groups
Mounting: replaceable, in this case "H" (similarity PRE AI without iris control for Nikon)
There are several options for the MTO-11 10/1000 lens. This review presents precisely the MTO-11 MS 10/1000 1983 model year, Lytkarinsky Optical Glass Plant... There is also the "CA" option, as well as different MC and non-MC lenses, and a somewhat similar lens MTO 1000A 10.5 / 1100. Strange but both versions MTO-11 10/1000 SA (letter A is indicated) and MTO-11 10/1000 (without the letter A) can have an interchangeable shank.
MC MTO-11 10/1000 indicators and mount for tripod
Focusing
The lens has a very large (huge) focus ring, which rotates all 360 degrees, from 8 meters to infinity. In fact, the lens has infinity race и run towards MDF less than 8 meters. Focusing is very smooth, when focusing, the front of the lens travels only 1 cm forward. Infinity begins after 200m on the focus distance scale.
МС МТО-11 10/1000 first-person view
DOF Aperture and Scale
MS MTO-11 10/1000 not has iris control rings and does not have DOF. The aperture is always in the same value and can not be changed, such is the design of the lens
Sample photo on the MTO-11 10/1000
Design
The lens has a wonderful telescopic hood, which helps him a bit to improve images in side and backlight. The whole lens is made very soundly, like a piece of metal pipe. A very useful property of the MTO-11 10/1000 MC is two types of tripod sockets - wide and narrow. The narrow socket fits modern tripods. And also, the protrusion with slots is duplicated on the lens with a shift of 90 degrees, which allows you to use the lens in both landscape and portrait orientation of the camera. This is really a very good design. The front lens (meniscus) is simply huge - 120mm. In the kit, the lens comes with several filters (just huge) and a nice black case for transportation. The disadvantage is the front cover, which simply puts on and does not snap into the thread of the front lens, the cover often flies off the lens by itself.
Sample photo on the MTO-11 10/1000
Second life on the figure
The MTO 10 \ 1000A lens received a real second life on digital SLR cameras, and the scope of its use has expanded significantly on the central brake cylinder. The lens gained great opportunities due to the ability of modern CZK to shoot at very high ISO. It decreases very much excerptat which you can shoot on the lens, which allows you to “freeze” fast-changing scenes during the day. Usually, MTO 10 \ 1000 was used for highly static scenes where long excerptswhich were the only solution to combat the small aperture of the lens. So, at MTO 10/1000 it was popular as an astronomical lens, on which the moon and stars were shot. It was very difficult to shoot a more or less scene in the afternoon with rapidly changing details in the frame. For example, on a sunny day, using a film with ISO 100 due to the fixed aperture of the lens, excerpt should be 1 \ 100. To shoot during the day, you need a very strong tripod to avoid movement. In those days, even a film with an ISO 800 value was quite difficult to find, because the problem of stirring was very, very serious. Using on modern cameras short excerpts from 1 \ 1000 to 1 \ 4000 with an MTO 10 \ 1000A lens and high ISO values, you can not be afraid for lubrication, using a monopod, which greatly increases the mobility of the lens.
Sample photo on the MTO-11 10 1000mm MS
Myths:
Mirror lenses are said to have a much lower effective aperture than indicated. This is due to the fact that when calculating the value of the number F, the front compensating mirror, which is not taken into account in the calculations, is not taken into account. Therefore, the real diaphragm of MS MTO-11 10/1000 has a value of the order of F / 16.0. If you have any information about this, I will be grateful for the informative link in the comments.
Sample photo on the MTO-11 10 1000mm MS
How to shoot on modern cameras and MS MTO-11 10/1000?
The lens of the MTO-11 10/1000 has interchangeable shank (back). Unfortunately, in the name of the lens there is no letter “A”, which is responsible for this possibility, because you just need to know. Interchangeable shank can be chosen as you like. For the Nikon system, I used KP-A \ N, as a result I got a lens with a native mount for Nikon. You can read how to use old lenses on Nikon in the section Soviet optics. For the Canon system, the easiest way is to use two adapters: KP-A \ 42 + M42-Canon EOS, in more detail in the section old lenses at canon.
MTO-11 on a monopod. Not for women's hands such a heavy lens.
Personally, I managed to shoot on the MTO-11 10/1000 MC holding the lens in my hands, using the automatic ISO up to 6400 and the minimum shutter speed from 1 \ 1000 to 1 \ 4000, though I had to use sharpness to get into sharpness bracketing focus and make inhuman efforts to hold the lens in his hands. So I got pictures of nature in motion, for example, fly of butterfly, which earlier, in the era of film cameras, it was very, very difficult to do on the MTO-11 10/1000. Of course, taking a tripod is much easier.
An example of a photograph on a MTO-11 10 1000mm MS. Bagel-shaped bokeh.
Attention 1: when used on modern Nikon central control centers, confirmation with a green dot does not work, and the electronic range finder does not work either. You can focus in Live View mode only with a tripod, and the tripod must be very, very strong. Using flimsy tripods and Live View, the picture on the display will “twitch” very much, which causes inconvenience and makes you nervous. Take off hand in Live View does not work. Taking off the hands, the lens will respond to any of your movements, even heartbeats will be displayed in the viewfinder with light jerks of the image. I do not see any possibility at all to use the lens with my hands. Personally, I managed to run with the MTO-11 10/1000 MC without a tripod for exactly 30 minutes, after which I was no longer glad that I had got out into the wild.
Attention 2: due to its size and weight, the lens can break the camera mount, therefore, it is strongly recommended to hold the lens itself with the camera on it (it will not work otherwise). Also, due to the size, the possibility of grabbing the handle of the camera is lost and access to the buttons that are on the left and right of the mount is lost. It’s very unusual that you can’t take the camera by the handle. Pressing the shutter button in this state is not very convenient. But, on the other hand, the lens does not catch the flash on my Nikon D40, D80 (precisely verified). In general, MC MTO-11 10/1000 is contraindicated for girls photographers.
An example of a photograph on a MTO-11 10 1000mm MS. Close-up pictures
Image quality
The lens gives quite normal image quality, slightly contrasting, but for a digital camera this is not a problem. Contrast falls under strong side and back light. Sharpness is average, but sufficient for normal shooting. Most importantly, there is no chromatic aberration, distortion and vignetting and a unique bokeh in the form of bagels.
An example of a photograph on a MTO-11 10 1000mm MS. Good sharpness of the lens.
Sample photos on the cropped CZK
All filmed on APS-C Nikon D200 DX, untreated, on-camera JPEG L, in image processing mode VI. Reduced size to 1600 * 1200 and imprinted data from EXIF. On camera with crop factor 1.5h EGF is 1500mm (one and a half meters of focal length). All removed from a monopod.
Examples of photos on a full frame (Full Frame)
All filmed on APS Nikon D700 FX, no processing, on-camera JPEG L, image processing mode VI. Reduced size to 1600 * 1200 and imprinted data from EXIF. Everything is removed from the tripod and from the hands.
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Conclusions:
MS MTO-11 10/1000 unusual vintage super fix telephoto. It is difficult to use, the lens is very small aperture, but the MTO-11 10/1000 MC is interesting for its ability to shoot remote objects and interesting bagel-shaped bokeh.
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The store is full. Any strong. I shot the moon like a lodoni. Photo nekst 5. I am glad that I did not sell the lenses.
how can one have a camera and not know how it is called correctly? where did you see the letter T there?
The store is full, but not everyone will do.
If you want cheap - then try WOODEN from theodolite, people somehow install on it, but there you also need an adapter for a screw, you may have to order from a turner.
If you don't want to fool your head, take “Benro”, “Sirui” or similar. With its mount (Arca-swiss, Benro). But you certainly understand that it must be heavy, durable and expensive, I have a compact 250-knee Benro A-5 for $ 269. And that could have been more stable - but there are no such in nature. Yes, and I also bought the head for him.
Cheaper $ 100-150 no matter how hard you try (believe me, for I have tried ALL tripods in this range) it will not work.
Reading your thoughts, I answer - no way, no way, not cheaper than $ 100, well, perhaps at a sale or second-hand.
Reading thoughts further (it is not necessary to send me far away - it is not beautiful), and foreseeing the future, I continue - at least take the head without plastic, because aiming at an object from plastic is masturbation. What I mean you will understand when you buy.
Guys, does it make sense to take it under nikon1? there is crop 2.7, I want for the moon and photography.
I will sell this for 2000 UAH.
Alex, have not sold it yet?
If you are interested in MTO 1000, I have everything in my box of plywood with light filters without scratches, who are you interested in? Roma-w@ukr.net
Rustam, if you are interested in the lens of MC MTO-11 10/1000, then I have a new one! I can sell my number 250 for $ 0990803326
My dear, you ran away from the hospital by chance? His price is a maximum of 3000, and you are for 250 tanks ... People, wake up)
In my region for 6 thousand rubles. half a year lies. Also a greedy man caught, does not throw off :)
The monopod in the photo is very pretty.
Girl too :)
Correct the seventh line of your article:
instead of “Optical design: 4 lenses and 3 mirrors”, it is necessary: “3 lenses, 2 mirrors, but 5 elements and 3 groups” :-)
Also, MTO-1000 and MTO 1000A 10.5 / 1100 are two different lenses with similar names.
two types of tripod sockets - wide and narrow :-))
wide is 3/8 "(9.5 mm) pitch 16 threads per inch (1.59 mm), still used today. For example, interchangeable tripod heads are screwed to the tripods themselves with such a thread. In a professionally expensive technique, this thread is ubiquitous. Although the "narrow" one is there too. “Narrow” is 1/4 ″ (6.4mm) pitch 20 threads per inch (1.25mm)
"The front lens (meniscus) is just huge - 120mm"
Well this is a thread, And how much is its inner diameter (light)?
"The downside is the front cap, which simply slips on rather than snaps into the threads of the front lens, and often comes off the lens by itself."
- Often the disadvantages are a continuation of the advantages. Such a cover can be removed very quickly when needed, and it costs a lot. And the lens won't scratch. And in order not to fly off you need to tinker with a felt lining. I think it's a good cover, but as for the drawback - so you need to order a second from the turner - on the thread, like in Jupiter-36, or ZM-5. And two to have.
"In those days, even ISO 800 film was difficult to find."
In those days, GOST-125 was also in short supply. What is ISO 800? When it appeared MTO-1000 was out of production for a long time!
Or is it Type 13 isopanchrome?
“The calculation of the F-number does not take into account the front compensating mirror, which is not included in the calculation. Therefore, the real aperture of MS MTO-11 10/1000 has a value of the order of F / 16.0. "
- Everything is correct, it is - somewhere there is one step. I will add that the drop in brightness on the mirrors also contributes to the decrease in the “aperture equivalent to the lens objective”. Two mirrors -33% are gone. And if there is no special coating on it, the decrease in brightness will increase over the years.
And in the Rubinars already with this disgrace (an error on the WHOLE step), they began to fight, and the area was shielded by a secondary mirror, they added increasing the diameter of the main one.
And more - you can be asked to take small measurements:
What is your light diameter of the first and last surface of the MTO-11, i.e. the inner diameter of the ring screwing the lens (just be careful, you can scratch the caliper with enlightenment)
Fixed
I’m sorry, I got goofy about the Rubinars.
I measured the inner diameter of the front lens - just its increase covers the area of the secondary plug (whereas in ZMey it is equal to the diameter of the GB - which knocked me off the pontalik). Unfortunately, it turned out to be just a coincidence, or the designers did not finish the job - they took apart the lens - the frame was a little over 100 mm. : - (((((((((
And the secondary hood is 43mm. (((
If the lens has overrun for infinity, then can you just install m42-nikon (without a lens) while maintaining infinity?
Easily.
Why only macro?
Can't they really take off, for example, the moon in all its details ???
Explain, please ...
- "Why only macro?"
- Where did you get this “only macro”? And this is a macro only for Rubinar, not MTO and ZM.
They buy it for the Moon, and macro means that it can focus on close objects with a 1: 4 scale.
Yeah. It had such a lens. Gave it. Just because it was a pity + with a new camera. Sorry for the camera. Well, such glass requires the enthusiasm of youth ... BUT for valendanya, trial-error-experimental photography - excellent. Even somewhere unique.
Lens MC MTO-11SA lightweight version of the lens MC MTO-11. The difference in weight is about 0,5kg. The outer diameter of the MS MTO-11SA mount is also smaller than that of the MC MTO-11. In addition, some literature indicated that the resolving power of MC MTO-11SA is higher than that of MC MTO-11, although personally I, during experimental filming with these lenses, did not see any difference in the quality of prints. The mounting threads of these lenses are also different. MC MTO-11SA has less.
For MS MTO-11 - M120 × 1,0
For MS MTO-11SA - М116 × 1,0
Of course, the optics are the same, and with the same resolution. And it changes depending on the film, assembly-alignment, and, possibly, on technologists - how often they check in production so that the parameters do not "run away"
If you are interested in MTO 1000, I have everything in my box of plywood with light filters without scratches, who are you interested in? Roma-w@ukr.net
sold or not for what
I sell such an asset for 3100 times with a transition to Nikon whom I can write to julya11@ukr.net
They say that they can moon for the whole frame. I photographed the moon with an MTO-11 SA 10/1000 mm lens with a 35 mm film using the Zenit camera, I could not capture the moon in the whole frame, the moon occupies only less than the middle of the frame. Why not the whole frame? maybe just not the geographical latitude at which the moon is close to the surface of the earth, or simply not the moon phase?
- "the moon is only less than halfway through the frame."
Good for you!
See what the “angular field of view” of this lens is on “full frame”. How many vertical frames will there be? Find out what the angular diameter of the moon is, and how it changes.
Try to think for yourself, and then for you to do homework reluctantly!
Please tell me, I bought this MTO 1000 lens for myself. How to put it on canon 60D
?? Who will tell? The built-in flash abuts. This is such a problem!
Take the 42mm extension ring from the kit, screw it between the object and the “carcass”, and go!
My ZM-6A rests on the flash of Kenon 600d. I put K-2 zoom through x1. Adapter rings from the M42 mount to those purchased in China do not support infinity with the Helios 44 m-4 and Tair-3s. And with K-1 + ZM-6A, infinity with a large margin. I want MTO-1000 since Soviet times.
I sell such an asset for UAH 3100 in leather (red) sums at once with a switch to Nіkon or М42 whom you can write to julya11@ukr.net (I write in my favorite couch of Ukraine de є Nova Posta)
Bought in China, by the way, 2 mm thicker than Soviet ones. It also matters.
“For example, on a sunny day, using ISO 100 film due to the fixed aperture of the lens, the shutter speed should be 1/100. “No, Arkady, not 1/100 ... but 1/1000 in the full frame. Here, not 100, but 1000mm focal length.
What can I argue about if the shutter speed selects the camera?
To avoid stirring, you need to set 1/1000. But then at GOST / ISO 100 you get an underexposure of 3+ stops! The only way out is to raise ISO, and noise will rise with it too.
The point is that on a bright sunny day, lighting for 1/1000 of a second per 100 ISO is not enough.
Ah, quarrels. it's about the film :)
section “construction” second sentence: “… a piece of iron pipe…”
Fixed
If anyone is interested, I will sell MTO 1000 with filters. The condition is excellent. 1966 year.
Price - 3000 UAH. Kiev.
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Hello! Please tell me what adapters are needed for the MTO 1000 to put on the Nikon d80?
If the lens has an overrun for infinity, then you can use the usual adapter M42 / Nikon_F, without a lens, or use the replaceable shank KP-A \ N.
But there is a possibility that the lens will not stand up - due to the large diameter of the lens, the built-in flash can interfere.
Who is interested in selling a photographic lens MTO-1000 AM 10.5 / 1100 with a cover and filters. price 2500 UAH bidding is possible.
Oksana!
and in what condition is MTO-1000 AM 10.5 / 1100?
used, but good condition, working, no scratches
Hello!
please give your mob number. phone.
please give your mob number. phone.