Many thanks for the opportunity to review the Jupiter-36V lens Ilya.
Jupiter-36V 250 3.5 Overview
Jupiter-36 250mm F3.5 - just a huge, very heavy and unusual lens from medium format cameras. It is unfortunate that the yard is already 2012, and there are no affordable digital medium format cameras and backs. Therefore, the full potential of Jupiter-36V will be revealed only in a few years, when there will be relatively cheap rentreformatnye cameras and the interest and need for high-quality lenses.
View of the lens Jupiter-36V and its aperture
TTX of the Jupiter-36V lens
Focal length: 250 mm
Optical design: 4 elements in 3 groups (Sonnar type circuit)
Diaphragm: F3.5-F16
MDF: 3.5m
Number of aperture blades: 6 pieces
Front Filter Diameter: 82 mm
The weight: 1500g
Bayonet mount: B (Pentacon Six), medium format lens
This review presents namely Jupiter-36V 3.5 / 250 for medium format cameras Salyut, Salyut-S and Kiev-88. The lens also has a middle name: ARSAT B 3,5 / 250. Versions ARSAT B 3,5 / 250 and ARSAT C 3,5 / 250 had multi-enlightenment
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
There is a version of the Jupiter-36V lens with a “B” mount (Pentacon Six, P6, Praktisix) for medium format cameras Kiev-6C, Kiev-6C TTL, Kiev-60, Kiev-88CM, Kiev-88C. The Jupiter-36B lenses were produced at the Ukrainian Arsenal plant (possibly also at the Vega plant). Where exactly my copy was produced - I can't say, since all the identification marks were covered with black tape, most likely to simply hide the Soviet roots of the lens and give it even more pathos and attention of the surrounding public.
View of the Jupiter-36V lens on a modern camera
A huge advantage of medium format lenses is a large working distance, which will make it possible to make an adapter for almost any camera with the possibility of normal focusing. Unfortunately, I got a lens with a Salyut / M42 adapter, and I used Jupiter-36V on my camera Nikon D200 with the help of an additional adapter KP-42 / N while losing the ability to focus at infinity in the region of 30 meters. More details in the section Soviet optics. On Canon cameras, the lens is easiest to install through two adapters Salute / M42 + M42 / Canon EOS. It is written in more detail in the section old lenses at canon. Other systems also have their own adapters. The person who provided me with this lens uses it on a Pentax kr camera with two adapters Salute / M42 + M42 / Pentax.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
The main features of the lens Jupiter-36V:
1. The lens very heavyIt’s quite difficult to manage. The lens does not have a tripod socket, for example, like the Tair-3 or Helios-40-2. The complexity of the work is due to the fact that in reality the photographer does not hold a camera with a lens, but a lens with a camera. This lens is contraindicated for girls, you can only pose in front of it.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
2. The focus ring moves smoothly. Focusing ring metal. I consider the closest location of the focusing ring to the lens mount as the most serious drawback of the lens... Since you need to hold the lens itself with your left hand and focus, the lens puts a large lever and a huge load on the left hand. If the focus ring was in the middle, or closer to the front lens, it would be much more convenient to use the lens. The Helios-40-2 lens has a similar problem. When focusing, the entire lens unit moves, while the lens noticeably “stretches” the trunk. The minimum focusing distance of the lens is quite large - 3.5 meters, you should always remember about this. For example, the distant brother Jupiter-37A has an MDF of 1.2m.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
3. The maximum aperture of F3.5 does not make the lens fast, but F3.5 at 250mm is a very serious indicator. From Soviet optics with Jupiter-36B at similar focal lengths can be pulled in aperture only by MS Jasper-4N 200mm F2.8... They say there was a descendant of Jupiter-36B - Tele-4 3,5 / 250... The petals of the diaphragm are of a yellowish metallic color without blackening. Considering that the physical diameter of the aperture is simply huge, this negatively affects when photographing with closed apertures due to the fact that light is reflected from the metal blades. The closed diaphragm blades form “nuts”, the blades are not rounded. It's funny, if you close the aperture to the maximum value of F16, then you will visually see a rather large hole formed by the aperture. When using adapters, the function of the jumping aperture is lost.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
4. In my copy there was no built-in hood, but there was a screw-on hood in the front light filter. The lens hood does not help the lens in exposure. The lens just has a giant front lens under the 82mm filter, which is now not so easy to find. The front protective cover of the lens is metal, and it does not click on the lens, but is screwed in as a light filter.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
5. Of course, the best option is to use Jupiter-36V in full frame. On crop, Jupiter-36V will give EGF equal to 375mm for Nikon DX cameras, and 400mm for Canon APS-C cameras... The angle of view is very narrow on the crop. Due to the very shallow depth of field and long distance, it will be very difficult to get into focus. Yes, and take off need at shutter speeds no longer than 1/250.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
6. Like any other old non-autofocus lens, it has all the necessary indicators for the depth of field, aperture and focus distance.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
Image quality.
The image quality was disappointing. Most likely I did not have the most successful copy. The main problem of the lens is complete incompatibility with side light. The lens loses much contrast, in a light backlight (even when the light source does not fall into the frame), a photograph with a strong veil is obtained. Maybe I came across an unsuccessful instance, or maybe this is the problem of single-layer enlightenment. It would be interesting to try the version with MS. As for sharpness, sharpness on F3.5 is not the most pleasant, when closing the aperture sharpness increases very weakly. But the lens forms a three-dimensional image, without distortion and vignetting on my DX camera. Shallow depth of field allows you to make excellent portraits. The lens bokeh is excellent, like any other telephoto with an optical circuit Sonnar, for example Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-11 or a close relative Jupiter-21A... Color reproduction is normal. From Jupiter-36B, a wonderful "live" image is obtained, in this regard, I really liked Jupiter-36B.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
Sample photos on Jupiter-36V
All examples were made in my Nikon D200 with automatic white balance. All photos with automatic levels when converting from RAW to JPEG due to the fact that the lens is a little contrast. Reduced size 1600 * 1200 and imprinted data from EXIF.
Personal impressions:
Of course, the lens is very heavy. Such a lens can be used for photography, hunting, and self-defense ... It looks very solid on the camera with the hood on. I took Jupiter-36B for TFP set, when shooting, it turned out a lot of marriage due to misses in focusing and low contrast in some scenes. I shot with shutter speeds no shorter than 1/250 with handsto avoid blur, but because of the weight of the lens, you can increase the shutter speed up to 1/100. I do not recommend buying this lens for cropped cameras, it is very heavy and clumsy. Better look at Jupiter-21A or Jupiter-21M. If you want a super telephoto lens - Tair-3 or mirror-meniscus lenses of the type ZM-5CA 500mm F8.0... But on the full frame with Jupiter-36B, you can work - it's still very large aperture for such a focal length. For example, many people like lenses 80-200mm F2.8 (70-200mm F2.8), Jupiter-36V at F3.5 250mm will blur background no worse for them. Personally, I use the Soviet Jupiter-37A on the crop, and if you need something longer, then I have autofocus on hand Nikon 70-300VR.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
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Conclusions:
Jupiter-36V - very heavy lens. It is very inconvenient to focus, afraid of light exposure. Of the advantages - excellent bokeh, volume and color reproduction of the image. I do not recommend for cameras with a cropped matrix.
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Please tell me, I want to buy a Jupiter 36v lens, but I just don’t know which adapter to buy.
no one knows and will not tell.
You can buy it, you can also take the macro ring for the Salute camera with the same bayonet mount and the M42 macro ring. Of these, you can mold an adapter.
Jupiter-36 is an interesting thing, perhaps. Not a bad lens.
You didn’t even point the camera.
This lens mounts like the Hasselblad. Adapters are rare and expensive, here are the links:
for Nikon: http://ali.onl/1c24
for Canon: http://ali.onl/1c25
If a person does not suffer from congenital handshake, the adapter for this lens to Nikon is made in half an hour from a 0,4 mm macro ring from a medium format and KP-A / N.
Inside view.
This is not true. Bayonet "B" (yes and "B" too) are different from Hasselblads offered for sale. I was convinced by my experience by purchasing an adapter Hasselblad HB - Nikon F AI Ulata. But I got a great base for mounting the "B" mount from the macro ring.
A fine lens, but on a crop of sharpness with an open it may not be enough.
Of the obvious sins - an inconvenient focus ring, a dangling lens hood (this is on the version of the mid-80s) and a very short-lived aperture mechanism.
Gives a beautiful, soft, low-contrast image with a characteristic picture of Zonnar)
Fairly chromate.
Compared to Tair-3, Jupiter's F / 3.5 gives much more chances to make a normal frame, despite the large HA.
If the lens had a better counter-structure and more aperture blades, it would have replaced Tair-3.
Hello, please tell me how to install Jupiter-36V on Canon EOS, which adapter is needed? Thanks.
It’s already at the dawn of 2016, but there wasn’t any affordable digital medium format
so no.
Kiev-88 than not accessible SF?
Pentax 645D / 645Z, for example :)
I have Jupiter 36 B, what kind of adapter do I need for the D90?
Adapter Pentacon 6 (six) for Nikon (search on Ebay) or Soviet adapter KP-6 / N
there is a cheaper model, I took mine for 900 rubles
Soviet adapter KP-6 / N
Soviet weighs 3 times heavier
Here is an adapter suitable
https://lexfoto.com.ua/pentacon-6-nikon-f.html
Hello! Why don't you recommend a crop?
The reason for the loss of contrast is simple and obvious. A medium format lens covers a much larger surface. Therefore, in small format SLRs, the side walls of the camera are illuminated and reflect. On the SF camera, this effect is not observed.
I tried Jupiter-36B with Pentacon-Nikon adapter for 7100 infinity where it should be, I liked it more than Tair 3 I took some birds off my hands in the years, it turned out to be magpies and a swallow from 400 aperture 8 shutter speed 1 \ 800 file I can’t show it in jpg weighs 36 megabytes
By the way, there is an adapter to B consisting of 2 parts 88-A and KP A \ H infinity also where it is on the lens and that is, put the lens on infinity and click on distant objects from as far as 500 meters, just choose the right exposure
Tell me who worked with the Yu-36V on a full-frame digit?
I received it at the post office yesterday. I bought on Avito for 1000 rubles. A completely new set-box, carrying case, manual, filters. Only the foam spacers inside the box from time to time lay down (- :( year of manufacture 1983). Its cost at that time was 320 rubles. Arsenal Plant. The hood is built-in, retractable. And the cover is not screwed on, but is worn on top. V. Bayonet took more for the collection, but if I find the KP88 / N, then you can take it off.
Congratulations on your purchase. Of course, it would be nice to check it in work.
Does anyone know about Russian vintage lens Jupiter 36 with PL Mount can be used on Ursa4K pl Mount camera for feature film I was offered Jupiter36 pl Mount for140 USD
It can be used, but you need to make or buy somewhere suitable adapter (eg Pentacon Six -> PL Mount).
The differences between the B and C versions are interesting, who compared? What are the differences besides the mount?
No differences there. Just the tail is different. Moreover, for Yu-36 shanks are interchangeable
Good day.
Fotik Sony nex 5, I shoot mostly video. I need a telephoto. There is Jupiter 37A, but in which cases it is a little short for me even on crop, because from a distance I remove birds and other animals.
I’m interested in the lens Jupiter 36B or Jupiter 21M for a longer distance, I understand that they will have different focal lengths on my crop of 375 and 300, respectively, but still, which picture and ease of use will be better? I shoot exclusively from a tripod, even on Industar 61.
Still, I am inclined to 21M, because by 36B I still need to buy an adapter, but it costs almost like an object. Does it make sense to take 36B?
Or perhaps you can advise what else it will fasten to my nex in the form of a telephoto, at a price not much more expensive than these objects. We can take them at an average price in the region of 40 American "rubles" per lens.
Thanks in advance for your answers.
Jupiter-21 will be a better acquisition than 36. Optically better, lighter, more convenient.
Roll, it is best to look towards the FS-12 photo sniper, which has a Tair-3 lens with a 4.5 / 300 lens. There is a butt, you can conveniently shoot the birds without lubrication by pressing the trigger. Only it is intended for film, for numbers you need to figure out how to attach the remote control to the trigger. You can also look in the direction of meniscus-mirror lenses (ZM or MTO), they have focal lengths of 500-100, but there is a low aperture, you can normally shoot only at bright noon at high ISO. I also have a homemade photographic gun based on the Industar-37 (4.5 / 300) lens, it came out in size like a grenade launcher.
Of all that I've ever seen, in my opinion this is the most beautiful bokeh,
and in general, the photos are very cool.
Compared with the photons of Jupiter-21A. No, ... in my opinion Jupiter-21 falls short of this lens.
But Jupiter-21 has a much better correction for aberrations. It is frankly hard to shoot with Jupiter-36 because of its terrible chromatism and software (sharpness floats a lot in the series).
I had several of these Yu-36s. Sharpness is high with open. No chromatism is observed. Probably you have come across a lens, into which a "craftsman" climbed
I would like to make some corrections, this lens is for medium format, and since the full frame is smaller than the average format, it’s 1,5 times that the focal length will increase, and it will be about 375mm, not to mention the crop matrix, there will be about 500mm, so as a crop, the matrix is smaller than the average format, also about 2 times.
BUT AND MOST IMPORTANT, except for increasing the focal length decreases and LIGHT, do not forget about it!
At full frame it will be the same 250mm, but in order to find out the EGF, for the medium format, the FD will be multiplied by a factor of less than one, and for crop by a factor of more than one. The aperture ratio does not change (in terms of the number T), the recalculation of the number F is permissible only for the equivalent DOF. Without any other options. Until you agree with these statements, your further posts will be deleted.
If you want to discuss this topic, then express your thoughts in relevant topics
1. Crop identification
2. Resurrection of Crop. Bokeh
3. Matrix size matters.
4. Focal length
5. Dependence of the viewing angle of the lens on the focusing distance
6. Relationship between focal length, viewing angle, and focus distance.
Finally, the cleanliness and order on the site :)
The question about EGF, FR, recalculation of T and F on a full frame, SF, BF and crop is the most frequent one and most of all users are fired on it and make incorrect conclusions.
I am the proud owner of this monstrous monster born in 77 ..! I'm happy with the elephant. As a portrait with a blurry background-in-the-trash, it is simply gorgeous.
But the lens, Arkady correctly said, is not for “girls”. Only men with strong hands can work with him. )
Lens, which is called for the soul. Photo models of a neurasthenic type shy away from him like the plague, because shooting with him requires patience and calmness. It can be difficult to get into focus, but if you get it, you get it ..!
For an amateur, in short.
The adapter skolkhoz to it literally in half an hour from the macro ring "Kiev-60" and Nikon's adapter KP-A / N. True, the inner part of the macro ring must be sanded a little on the inner surface before this, because it will not fit right away, the dimensions do not coincide a bit.
Well, a couple of frames for clarity:
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Hello. Can you please tell if it is possible to put a mount from Jupiter 36B on the lens of Jupiter 36B? Will the working distance of the lens be preserved?
no. different segments
Will not be saved. Bayonet B - 74,1, B - 82,1.
Most likely, it will continue, since B and C differ in shanks, which in principle have the same mount, as I saw. But the difference may be, because there are also alignment rings-gaskets.
Thanks to everyone who responded for the answer. The question of replacing the shank on Jupiter 36B arose because of the difficulties with buying an adapter for it on the M42. If, as B.R.P. writes, Jupiter C has a larger rear segment than B, then I will try to replace the shank and adjust the rear segment with M42 extension rings. I want to put all this on "Pentax". The lens is brand new. It's a pity to part with him. I ordered an adapter from Pentacon to M42. As I get it, I will experiment. There will be results, unsubscribe. Thanks again to everyone.
Ob'ktiv monsters. It is obvious that it is more beautiful to use the medium format, for whom and in the insurance industry. On a high school format, a slick 3D effect. I don’t know if it’s possible because I know him well.
Put the photo in the middle format:
SLR medium format camera: PENTACON six TL
Lens: Jupiter-36B 250mm f3.5
Film: New Kodak Portra 400
Filter: UV-1x
SLR medium format camera: PENTACON six TL
Lens: Jupiter-36B 250mm f3.5
Film: New Kodak Portra 400
Filter: UV-1x
Put the photo on the university format:
SLR Camera: Nikon F5
Lens: Jupiter-36B 250mm f3.5
Film: Kodak Pro Image 100
Filter: UV-1x
"3D-effect" :)
SLR Camera: Nikon F5
Lens: Jupiter-36B 250mm f3.5
Film: Kodak Pro Image 100
Filter: UV-1x
I shot with such a lens, at Kiev-60, with a shutter speed of 1/8, from my hands, or rather from my knees. Sitting on a chair, the apparatus lies on his knee. The mass of this kit is so large that the grease was not noticeable
Who cares about selling the already converted Jupiter 36b M42, the standard mount for which the adapters cost a penny. write mir-360@mail.ru
Thanks for the review!
I bought myself, in version 36c, I changed the backdrop myself on a 3D printer, screwed a plastic bayonet from Nikon with Ali on the back, hung it on the D7000. Looks like a single design. )) I am delighted with the lens. This is the best lens for flowers and ducks. Sharpness starts at 4-5.6, at 3.5 a very pleasant soft picture, while the colors are amazing, some kind of analog or something, I can't even explain. I have Ju-37, Ju-21, Tair-3FS. All these are excellent glasses, sharp, saturated. But it is in 36v that there is some inexplicable warmth or something, branded photos from it just turn out.
I did not notice any difficulties in handling. The focus ring is located approximately in the middle of the lens. Of course, it would have been closer to the front lens, it would have been better, but even so very much. I walked around the park for 3 hours, my hands were not tired at all. The only thing I noticed is that if it gets a little darker, I stop getting into focus.
We must try to hang it on Sonya, see how the focus picking will work. In general, I highly recommend it. I took on Avito for 1500r, unfortunately, not a very good person slipped me with a small speck on the back lens enlightenment, which sometimes appears in the photo. But in Photoshop, it is easy to clean up. I will not change the lens, suddenly a bad copy will come across ... The serial number for 85 is starting with me. I'll add a couple of photos now.
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