Many thanks for the opportunity to review the Jupiter-36V lens Ilya.
Jupiter-36V 250 3.5 Overview
Jupiter-36 250mm F3.5 - just a huge, very heavy and unusual lens from medium format cameras. It is unfortunate that the yard is already 2012, and there are no affordable digital medium format cameras and backs. Therefore, the full potential of Jupiter-36V will be revealed only in a few years, when there will be relatively cheap rentreformatnye cameras and the interest and need for high-quality lenses.
View of the lens Jupiter-36V and its aperture
TTX of the Jupiter-36V lens
Focal length: 250 mm
Optical design: 4 elements in 3 groups (Sonnar type circuit)
Diaphragm: F3.5-F16
MDF: 3.5m
Number of aperture blades: 6 pieces
Front Filter Diameter: 82 mm
The weight: 1500g
Bayonet mount: B (Pentacon Six), medium format lens
This review presents namely Jupiter-36V 3.5 / 250 for medium format cameras Salyut, Salyut-S and Kiev-88. The lens also has a middle name: ARSAT B 3,5 / 250. Versions ARSAT B 3,5 / 250 and ARSAT C 3,5 / 250 had multi-enlightenment
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
There is a version of the Jupiter-36V lens with a “B” mount (Pentacon Six, P6, Praktisix) for medium format cameras Kiev-6C, Kiev-6C TTL, Kiev-60, Kiev-88CM, Kiev-88C. The Jupiter-36B lenses were produced at the Ukrainian Arsenal plant (possibly also at the Vega plant). Where exactly my copy was produced - I can't say, since all the identification marks were covered with black tape, most likely to simply hide the Soviet roots of the lens and give it even more pathos and attention of the surrounding public.
View of the Jupiter-36V lens on a modern camera
A huge advantage of medium format lenses is a large working distance, which will make it possible to make an adapter for almost any camera with the possibility of normal focusing. Unfortunately, I got a lens with a Salyut / M42 adapter, and I used Jupiter-36V on my camera Nikon D200 with the help of an additional adapter KP-42 / N while losing the ability to focus at infinity in the region of 30 meters. More details in the section Soviet optics. On Canon cameras, the lens is easiest to install through two adapters Salute / M42 + M42 / Canon EOS. It is written in more detail in the section old lenses at canon. Other systems also have their own adapters. The person who provided me with this lens uses it on a Pentax kr camera with two adapters Salute / M42 + M42 / Pentax.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
The main features of the lens Jupiter-36V:
1. The lens very heavyIt’s quite difficult to manage. The lens does not have a tripod socket, for example, like the Tair-3 or Helios-40-2. The complexity of the work is due to the fact that in reality the photographer does not hold a camera with a lens, but a lens with a camera. This lens is contraindicated for girls, you can only pose in front of it.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
2. The focus ring moves smoothly. Focusing ring metal. I consider the closest location of the focusing ring to the lens mount as the most serious drawback of the lens... Since you need to hold the lens itself with your left hand and focus, the lens puts a large lever and a huge load on the left hand. If the focus ring was in the middle, or closer to the front lens, it would be much more convenient to use the lens. The Helios-40-2 lens has a similar problem. When focusing, the entire lens unit moves, while the lens noticeably “stretches” the trunk. The minimum focusing distance of the lens is quite large - 3.5 meters, you should always remember about this. For example, the distant brother Jupiter-37A has an MDF of 1.2m.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
3. The maximum aperture of F3.5 does not make the lens fast, but F3.5 at 250mm is a very serious indicator. From Soviet optics with Jupiter-36B at similar focal lengths can be pulled in aperture only by MS Jasper-4N 200mm F2.8... They say there was a descendant of Jupiter-36B - Tele-4 3,5 / 250... The petals of the diaphragm are of a yellowish metallic color without blackening. Considering that the physical diameter of the aperture is simply huge, this negatively affects when photographing with closed apertures due to the fact that light is reflected from the metal blades. The closed diaphragm blades form “nuts”, the blades are not rounded. It's funny, if you close the aperture to the maximum value of F16, then you will visually see a rather large hole formed by the aperture. When using adapters, the function of the jumping aperture is lost.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
4. In my copy there was no built-in hood, but there was a screw-on hood in the front light filter. The lens hood does not help the lens in exposure. The lens just has a giant front lens under the 82mm filter, which is now not so easy to find. The front protective cover of the lens is metal, and it does not click on the lens, but is screwed in as a light filter.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
5. Of course, the best option is to use Jupiter-36V in full frame. On crop, Jupiter-36V will give EGF equal to 375mm for Nikon DX cameras, and 400mm for Canon APS-C cameras... The angle of view is very narrow on the crop. Due to the very shallow depth of field and long distance, it will be very difficult to get into focus. Yes, and take off need at shutter speeds no longer than 1/250.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
6. Like any other old non-autofocus lens, it has all the necessary indicators for the depth of field, aperture and focus distance.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
Image quality.
The image quality was disappointing. Most likely I did not have the most successful copy. The main problem of the lens is complete incompatibility with side light. The lens loses much contrast, in a light backlight (even when the light source does not fall into the frame), a photograph with a strong veil is obtained. Maybe I came across an unsuccessful instance, or maybe this is the problem of single-layer enlightenment. It would be interesting to try the version with MS. As for sharpness, sharpness on F3.5 is not the most pleasant, when closing the aperture sharpness increases very weakly. But the lens forms a three-dimensional image, without distortion and vignetting on my DX camera. Shallow depth of field allows you to make excellent portraits. The lens bokeh is excellent, like any other telephoto with an optical circuit Sonnar, for example Jupiter-37A, Jupiter-11 or a close relative Jupiter-21A... Color reproduction is normal. From Jupiter-36B, a wonderful "live" image is obtained, in this regard, I really liked Jupiter-36B.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
Sample photos on Jupiter-36V
All examples were made in my Nikon D200 with automatic white balance. All photos with automatic levels when converting from RAW to JPEG due to the fact that the lens is a little contrast. Reduced size 1600 * 1200 and imprinted data from EXIF.
Personal impressions:
Of course, the lens is very heavy. Such a lens can be used for photography, hunting, and self-defense ... It looks very solid on the camera with the hood on. I took Jupiter-36B for TFP set, when shooting, it turned out a lot of marriage due to misses in focusing and low contrast in some scenes. I shot with shutter speeds no shorter than 1/250 with handsto avoid blur, but because of the weight of the lens, you can increase the shutter speed up to 1/100. I do not recommend buying this lens for cropped cameras, it is very heavy and clumsy. Better look at Jupiter-21A or Jupiter-21M. If you want a super telephoto lens - Tair-3 or mirror-meniscus lenses of the type ZM-5CA 500mm F8.0... But on the full frame with Jupiter-36B, you can work - it's still very large aperture for such a focal length. For example, many people like lenses 80-200mm F2.8 (70-200mm F2.8), Jupiter-36V at F3.5 250mm will blur background no worse for them. Personally, I use the Soviet Jupiter-37A on the crop, and if you need something longer, then I have autofocus on hand Nikon 70-300VR.
Sample photo on Jupiter-36V 250 F 3.5
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Conclusions:
Jupiter-36V - very heavy lens. It is very inconvenient to focus, afraid of light exposure. Of the advantages - excellent bokeh, volume and color reproduction of the image. I do not recommend for cameras with a cropped matrix.
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Apparently the specimen got tired, not very similar to the Sonnar picture.
Until 1986, Jupiter 36 lenses were manufactured with a yellow diaphragm and a hood and a screw screwed onto the thread, and since 1986, with a white diaphragm and a retractable hood, not only the focusing ring, but the entire Jupiter 36 frame is all metal.
You are wrong. I have, for example, "Jupiter - 36" 1984. The hood is built-in, the design is not conical but cylindrical, modernized, I can't remember the color of the diaphragm.
Somewhere I already saw it ... And if on a subject that thanks.
For example, where?
Pleasant review.
Well, why .. for girls with good muscles is possible)
Alex, here there are some more photos from this lens, you can see http://500px.com/Mirgo
it’s interesting to know who else uses this lens besides me and on what systems)))
As far as I know, the adapter from the Pentacon Six system (Soviet SF lenses with the “B” index) to the M42 - KP-6 / N (or KP-6/42) (manufactured by Arsenal) is collapsible, ie. You can remove the M42 shank from it and screw the KP-A / N - and there will be endlessness. And the transition ring from “C” to “B” also exists - for “V” (“Screw”) - the flange is longer than that for “B” (“Bayonet”).
I recently took for 1000 rubles in 1980. The adapter on the M 42 made of macro rings (nothing complicated, if you need details I will answer nikul65@mail.ru ). I put 500 d on the canon. The main disadvantage is weight. The drawing is interesting, but Petacon 135 draws much more interesting. The second minus is the close focus point (3,5 m), but by winding the macro rings, you can move this line. Here are the first photos oto.mail.ru/mail/nikul65/379/1608.html#1608, I hope to experience it for real at powerboat competitions.
The owner of the Yu-36B. I don’t catch Kenon through an adapter without a Jolos chip. Accordingly, I have a very cruel manual with exposure to the eye.
On the crop, due to the difference in the format of the medium, the angle of view is not exactly small, it is microscopic, alas. That is, the original drawing is practically not visible. After playing on the crop, I finally switched to the film carcass of the same kenon and the full-frame camera became like a crop (with respect to the 6x6 format, I mean, now I can’t wait until I smoothly shoot the film.
the most remarkable thing is that at full frame, even in the viewfinder, the image is much more interesting! Yes, and much easier to induce.
If we talk about the convenience of the design - none! 1. The above-mentioned location of the focusing ring. 2. when focusing, you still need to hold the trunk, otherwise the entire front part will somehow bend and wedge. Focusing occurs simply by twisting along the thread, and there are no power supporting elements. 3. the built-in hood does not lock in the unfolded position.
in terms of image quality there is generally a paradox! test shooting on the table says that the sharpness on an open hole is almost pixel-by-pixel, but in practice it’s impossible to catch it in my opinion.
Of the paradoxes, there is still one - in spite of everything (the size of the lens, the absence of ms, an unblacked diaphragm), my Ju36 very adequately digests counter. shine.
what it looks like - http://cs317318.userapi.com/v317318135/218f/t5X_0k2umRs.jpg
examples (on a digital crop)
http://cs405127.userapi.com/v405127135/5ed/xrGdunDQbfs.jpg - under the forest canopy, VI guidance, colors and sharpness are original, or just a little twisted.
http://cs405127.userapi.com/v405127135/3dc/feUQGdIJH-s.jpg - backlight, hole 4,5, MDF
My general verdict. In practice, I would rather choose for a hike for birds or city observations, albeit less aperture, but lighter and more convenient Tair-3 4,5 / 300 (Brussels, not "A"), or I will probably convert to Jupiter-21 and get the same focal length and the diaphragm (Brussels, not “A”). 36B - POTENTIALLY cooler lens, but also more difficult to use and more moody. It is good for collection, rare uses for variety and skill hone. I don’t deny that my personal slightly negative attitude to the lens is due to the fact that I haven’t received a single slightest “catchy” frame with its help.
Something I'm confused at the end! The lens marked “B” (which is listed in the title of the article) has what mount / thread, what adapter does it need for Nikon F, and what happens to infinity?
You will find the answer in the Soviet lenses section, it is difficult for me to constantly answer the same questions.
I read this article on the site, I was confused by the line “There is a version of the Jupiter-36V lens with a“ B ”mount”, that is, the letter “C” in the name of this particular lens is not a designation of the version of its attachment to the camera in the form of a “B” mount? I want to buy it, but the option with one adapter seduces me more, so I want to figure out how by name (if at all possible) to determine what mount the lens is designed for.
If B means B, if B means B, and the fastening is the same, respectively.
Hello. A friend suggests buying Jupiter36B3.5: 250. With an adapter. Will it fit the NIKON D3100? And what is the price to him? Neither he nor I know. About 7
If with an adapter for Nikon, then, of course, it will do. The price is around $ 100.
I am offered it without an adapter for $ 50, I watched the ads, like, as usual, fifty dollars for it and ask ...
the price is good :)
But I only suspect that it has a B mount, and this is clearly not a plus ...
... I am now in the Czech Republic, but I live generally in the Far East, and there and there it will be very problematic to find restorations for him.
Arkady, good day. Tell me, can you shoot with your hands? Should I use a teleconverter? And if there are 2 teleconverters 2x, then you get 750 mm from f14? I can't understand, although I read an article about converters ...
I got hold of a completely new “unkissed” lens Jupiter 36B, suitable for fireworks and cues 88, it is difficult to find an adapter, you will probably have to use two.
the other day I got this miracle, a new one in a case with light filters :) I can’t wait for the adapter, test it on the D800 :)
Have you tried the d-800? Satisfied? Show me a photo. thanks
Also in the collection is this magnificent glass.
I join the review.
Here is an example of my photo:
http://content.foto.mail.ru/mail/medvedevamaria/_myphoto/h-66.jpg
This lens is designed for SF, and it shoots just fine on the SF:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7340/9700415607_ceab6d0db9_b.jpg
Kiev-6C (export), Jupiter-36B, Kodak PORTRA 400, film scan.
link to medium format photos
http://potapov-tlt.livejournal.com/15000.html
photos from Jupiter-36B signed
Please tell me how to identify where the Jupiter-36 lens is released by identification marks?
I have 3 glasses from Kiev-6C to Nikon D3100. I took the adapter Jolos, But I can say one thing about Jupiter 36B. My copy. 78g. terrible HA, and on all apertures. It's a pity! But Vega12B and Mir38B are much better. Compared with HA from the standard Nikon zoom 55-200 there it just is not at 200mm!
If the lens has a factory defect - is there a darkening along the edge of the front lens, will it affect something when used on a crop, or will only the center of the lens be used?
It is possible to take this inexpensively.
ВСІХ of Radianskih photos, ktiviv - low efficiency of light transmission. The reason is the emergence of technology for the education of the surface of the lines and the blackening of the internal surfaces of the active. To that, the VSIX Radyansky about, the activists have a low-contrast picture.
I do not agree! Wave-9 50mm 2.8 in aperture ratio is comparable to 50mm 1.8 Kenon on open, even slightly ahead of it.
What kind of dog nonsense?
I agree, it sounds like nonsense. But why canine?
We take the same scene with the same lighting, in aperture priority mode at the same ISO and shoot. With kenon 1,8, we have a shutter speed of 1/50, let's say we wind a wave of 2,8 and there again 1/50. Here is such garbage. At first he was surprised at himself, then he tried yongnuo 1,8, it coincides with the exposure kenon.
So you need to set a point measurement for cleanliness - the angle is different.
So there was a point and the angle was the same, they are all fifty rubles ...
I'm talking about Wave-3 and EF 50 / 1.8 - they have different angles ...
Plus, metering for factory-chip lenses and for non-chip lenses (or when using an adapter with a chip) will differ.
For an accurate test, you need to precisely align the exposition manually, or under the same conditions make 2 frames (for example, just a white sheet) and poke the illumination of each in the same school.
Oh, you have wave-9 there ... Not the point - about chips and metering, I think the idea is clear.
My metering behaves differently when using a chip and without it.
I took the u-36B, I screwed the MS converter k-6B x2 through the pentacon-eos adapter onto the 600d boot and I can't get enough of it :-) I recommend it for the crop :-) amazing volume, bokeh, color rendering :-) I saw the best color rendering only on wave-9 ... The disadvantage is the drop in contrast in the backlight. But on the structure with 800 mm ether I managed to remove the moon without lubrication from hands by 1/80. From the funny - the full-length portraits from 120 meters are excellent :-) I focus on the screen with a magnifier on a magnet, it is difficult through the viewfinder, and the sharpness is excellent.
Good day! Thank you so much human for your resource and your sincere help
Interested in two questions:
1) At the beginning of the review it was said “I got a lens with a Salyut / M42 adapter, I used it on a Nikon D200 camera with the help of an add-on. adapter KP-42 / N at the same time losing the ability to focus at infinity in the region of 30 meters. " So, if the M42 / H adapter is equipped with a lens, will infinity remain?
2) Where is it possible to get the adapter Kiev 88 / Salyut on the M42. Grateful in advance
1) "Infinity" will be, but the lens spoils the image quality, it is better to find a normal adapter.
2) Aukro / OLX or Google / Yandex to help you.
If you need an adapter, let me know.
There is an adapter KP-88 / N (Bayonet B (Kiev 88, Salyut) - Nikon (Nikon F). The shank is replaceable, if necessary, you can put M42.
I'm interested in this adapter. How to contact you? here is the email, please write: datos@rocketmail.com thank you
I read komenty, weighed + - and ordered a new Jupiter 36 B for ridiculous money 500UAH. I will get it tomorrow, I hope I will be satisfied :))