The Tamron Aspherical LD XR DI II SP AF 17-50mm 1: 2.8 [IF] A16 is an interesting crop lens with APS-C sensor size. This review shows the A16 N II model designed for Nikon DX cameras.
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Tamron Aspherical LD XR DI II SP AF 17-50mm 1: 2.8 [IF] A16, Model A16 N II
- Canon - Model A16E (good review here)
- Pentax - Model A16P
- Sony / Minolta - Model A16S
- Nikon - Model A16N or A16N II
In total, the line of such Tamron lenses for Nikon cameras consists of four models:
- Tamron Aspherical LD XR DI II SP AF 17-50mm 1: 2.8 [IF] - Model A16N, February 2006 (country of origin - Japan or Vietnam)
- Promaster DIGITAL XR EDO AF Ashperical LD [IF] 17-50mm 1: 2.8, which is a model of the Tamron Model A16 N under the Promaster brand.
- Tamron Aspherical LD XR DI II SP AF 17-50mm 1: 2.8 [IF] - Model A16NIIMarch 2008, the model is shown in this review.
- Tamron Di II SP 17-50mm F / 2.8 VC - Model B005NII, September 2009, review is located here.
Difference between Tamron A16 N II and Tamron A16 N
- Tamron A16 N Model Older
- The Tamron A16 N does not have a built-in focus motor and is similar to the 'AF' lens for Nikon cameras. The Tamron A16 N II has a built-in focus motor and is the counterpart to the 'AF-S' lens for Nikon cameras. The older Tamron A16 N model will not automatically focus on Nikon cameras without a built-in focus motor, an accurate and complete list of cameras without a focus motor can be viewed here... Be careful, both models are labeled 'Tamron AF', but this abbreviation does not refer to Nikon's designations and can be confusing.
- The Tamron A16 N II has an AF / MF focus mode switch. The older version lacks such a switch.
- The Tamron A16 N has a screwdriver slot on the bayonet side, which connects the camera focusing motor to the lens focusing mechanism. The Tamron A16 N II lacks this slot.
- Tamron A16 N has 5 microprocessor contacts, Tamron A16 N II has 8 microprocessor contacts (interesting information on microprocessor contacts here).
- Lenses come in different boxes. The Tamron A16 N II version has a clear indication of its model, it says 'Model: A16 N II, Built-In Motor for Nikon D'.
Please note that the Tamron A16 N II and Tamron A16 N models have the same name spelling on their case and only the generic 'A16' model is indicated throughout. Be careful when shopping. The easiest way to distinguish lenses from each other is the number of microprocessor contacts. Also, for Tamron A16 N II version, 'A16N II' is indicated on the box.
In short
Tamron Aspherical LD XR DI II SP AF 17-50mm 1: 2.8 [IF] A16 (abbreviated as Tamron A16 N II) is high-speed universal zoom lens for Nikon DX cameras. Interesting big maximum constant aperture over the entire range of focal lengths and low price. The native analog of this lens is Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-55mm 1: 2.8G ED IF SWM DXwhich is about 3 times more expensive than the Tamron A16 N II.
Key Features Tamron Aspherical LD XR DI II SP AF 17-50mm 1: 2.8 [IF] A16 (Nikon version of A16NII)
| Review Instance Name | Tamron Aspherical LD XR DI II SP AF 17-50mm 1: 2.8 [IF] A16 (box: Model: A16N II Filter Size: Ø 67mm for Nikon D compatible ”) |
| Basic properties |
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| Front Filter Diameter | 67 mm |
| Focal length | 17-50 mm EGF for Nikon DX cameras is 25.5-75 mm |
| Zoom ratio | 2.94 X (often rounded to three) |
| Designed by | for Nikon DX cropped digital cameras |
| Number of aperture blades | 7 rounded petals that form a fairly even hole |
| Tags | focusing distance in meters and feet, focal lengths for 17, 24, 35, 50 mm, hood attachment mark, bayonet mount mark |
| Diaphragm | from f / 2.8 over the entire range of focal lengths to f / 32. The lens does not have an aperture ring (G - lens type for Nikon cameras) |
| MDF | 0.27 m, maximum magnification ratio 1: 4.5 (at a value of 50 mm focal length) |
| The weight | 440 g |
| Optical design | 16 elements in 13 groups of which 2 are aspherical hybrid (Aspherical, marked in pink), 1 special low dispersion element (LD, marked in green) and 3 elements with a high refractive index (XR, marked in blue). Clickable Image |
| Lens hood | Included petal hood |
| Manufacturer country | Lens manufactured / manufactured in Japan, China and Vietnam |
| Price | |
| Period | From February 2006, in September 2009 replaced by Tamron Di II SP 17-50mm F / 2.8 VC |
What need to know about Tamron A16NII:
- The lens is used constant maximum relative aperture F / 2.8 over the entire range of focal lengths. Actually, this is one of its strengths. The difference in aperture between F / 2.8 and F / 5.6, which are used in simple whale lenses, is 4 times (2 steps).
- Price. The price of the lens is approximately 3 times lower for the native analogue from Nikon.
- Very convenient range of focal lengths. EGF lens for Nikon DX cameras will be 25,4-75 mm which is a very popular focal length range.
- Built-in focus motor. The lens will work with any Nikon digital SLR camera.
- Included lens hood, which helps a little when shooting in side and backlight. The hood can be installed in the reverse position for transportation, in this position it’s a little inconvenient to zoom, and the focus ring is completely locked.
- The diameter of the front filter is 67 mm, which is a standard diameter and will allow you to easily find filters for the lens
- Strange lock buttonwhich locks the zoom at 17mm. Strange because the lens does not have the ability to independently lengthen its 'trunk' and this button is here just for the sake of a tick. Perhaps, over time, the button will come in handy.
- When focusing front element does not rotate or extend, you can use special light filters without any problems. This option in the lens name is called [IF] (Internal Focusing)
Of the disadvantages:
- To focus manually or adjust the focus, be sure to switch the focus mode switch to M on the lens.
- Auto focus is fast enough, but very noisy.
- Spread in quality. My copy was selected on the third attempt.
- Very poor build quality and lens design itself. At first, questions about assembly do not arise, but after prolonged use, the ring near the front lens begins to loosen and the focus ring loosens. Moreover, it seems that the focus ring is about to fall off. The image quality was not affected.
- When focusing manually, hard to focus due to the fact that the focus ring has a stroke of only 45 degrees. Even in Live View mode, getting into focus is very difficult.
Interesting moments:
- The lens is marked SP (Super Performance - super performance), which hints at its professional lenses.
- The lens has a large zoom ring.
- The difference between 17 mm for the amron A16 N II) and 18 mm for the kit lens class 18-55 / 3.5-5.6 is very difficult to feel. So 17mm as a wide angle is not a good idea when choosing a lens.
- I shoot with this lens almost always at three values, this is 2.8 - when needed aperture in poor lighting or a 50 mm portrait. F4.0 - when you need to slightly increase the depth of field without closing the aperture much and F9.0 when you need to get a sharp picture.
- In the position of the zoom ring at 50 mm, the lens does not give a clear 50 mm, but gives a wider angle than a fifty-fifty (fixed lens with real 50 mm focal length). This complicates the photography of portraits by 50 mm a little.
Image quality
The lens has a good contrast, but in lateral light can catch glare and flare. Chromatic aberrations very noticeable at the edges and corners of the image, in the center of aberration are much better compensated. At 17 mm there is a tangible barrel-like distortion. Sharpness - here is a very interesting point, the copy from this review does not give normal sharpness on apertures from F / 2.8 to F / 5.6. Moreover, closing the aperture to F / 5.6, the sharpness changes very weakly. The lens is suffering very strong vignetted on the diaphragms aboutt f / 2.8 to f / 4.0. The lens does not distort color reproduction and has a simple 'bokeh'.
All fast universal zoom lenses
Below is a list of all such aperture-type universal zoom autofocus lenses for SLR and mirrorless cameras with an APS-C sensor or less.
Tokina (DX, various mounts)
- Tokina AT-X PRO SD 16-50 F2.8 DX Internal Focus, model AT-X 165 PRO DX, for Canon (C/EF version) and Nikon (N/AIS version), from July 2006. Optical design is the same as Pentax SMC DA* 16-50mm f/2.8 ED AL (IF) SDM
Tamron (DI II, DI III-A, various mounts)
- Tamron Aspherical LD XR DI II SP AF 17-50 mm 1: 2.8 [IF], model A16 N / E / P / S (under Nikon [N], Canon [E], Pentax [P], Sony / Minolta [S]), since February 2006. Produced in Japan, China and Vietnam
- promaster DIGITAL XR EDO AF Ashperical LD [IF] 17-50 mm 1: 2.8 MACROprevious lens under the brand Promaster
- Tamron Aspherical LD XR DI II SP AF 17-50 mm 1: 2.8 [IF], model A16 NII (only for Nikon cameras), since March 2008
- Tamron Di II SP 17-50 mm F / 2.8 VC B005, model B005 E / NII (for Canon [E] or Nikon [NII]), from September 2009, Japan or China)
- Tamron 17-70 mm F / 2.8 Di III-A VC RXD Model B070, Model B070, Sony E only, from December 2020
Sigma (DC, different mounts)
With constant maximum aperture (DC EX and DC ART series):
- Sigma DC ZOOM 18-50mm 1: 2.8 EX (+ -D), since July 2004, for Sigma SA, Nikon F, Canon EFS, Pentax K. The version for the '4/3' system has been available since February 2006 (not mass-produced). The version for Nikon in its name includes the prefix 'D'.
- Sigma dc 18-50mm 1: 2.8 EX MACRO, since September 2006, for Sigma SA, Nikon F, Canon EFS, Pentax K, 4/3
- Sigma dc 18-50mm 1: 2.8 EX MACRO HSM, since June 2007, for Nikon DX cameras only (Nikon F mount)
- Sigma dc 17-50mm 1: 2.8 ZOOM EXOS HSM, from February 2010, for Sigma SA, Nikon F, Canon EFS, Pentax K, Sony / Minotla A
- Sigma dc 18-35mm F1.8 A [ART, HSM], from April 2013, for Sigma SA, Nikon F, Canon EFS, Pentax K, Sony / Minotla A
- SIGMA DC 18-50 mm 1: 2.8 DN C [Contemporary], since Oct 2021, for Sony E, Leica L
With variable maximum aperture (DC and DC Contemporary series):
- Sigma dc 17-70mm 1:2.8-4.5, February 2006, for Sigma SA, Nikon F, Canon EFS, Pentax K, Sony / Minotla A
- Sigma dc 17-70mm 1:2.8-4.5 MACRO HSM, from July 2007, for Nikon DX cameras only (Nikon F mount)
- Sigma dc 17-70mm 1:2.8-4 MACRO HSM OS, from December 2009, for Sigma SA, Nikon F, Canon EFS, Pentax K, Sony / Minotla A
- Sigma dc 17-70mm 1:2.8-4 C, [MACRO, OS, HSM, Contemporary], from September 2012, for Sigma SA, Nikon F, Canon EFS, Pentax K, Sony / Minotla A
- Sigma dc 18-50mm 1:2.8-4.5 HSM OS ZOOM, from March 2009, for Sigma SA, Nikon F, Canon EFS, Pentax K, Sony / Minotla A
Nikon (DX, F mount)
- Nikon DX VR AF-S Nikkor 16-80mm 1:2.8-4E ED N, Nikon F mount, from July 2015
- Nikon DX AF-S Nikkor 17-55mm 1: 2.8G ED IF SWM, Nikon F mount, from July 2003
Pentax (DA, Q, K and Q mounts)
- Pentax SMC DA * 16-50 mm 1:2.8 ED AL (IF) SDM, Pentax KAF2 mount, since February 2007. Optical design is similar to the lens Tokina AT-X PRO SD 16-50 F2.8 DX Internal Focus (joint development of Tokina and Pentax)
- HD PENTAX-DA * 1: 2.8 16-50 mm ED PLMAW, from July 2021, Pentax KAF4 mount
- HD Pentax-DA 1: 2.8-4 20-40 mm ED Limited DC WR, Pentax KAF3 mount, black or silver body, from November 2013
- SMC Pentax 1: 2.8-4.5 5-15 mm ED AL [IF] [LENS 02], Pentax Q mount (crop factor Kf=5.53X or Kf=4.65X)
Canon (EFS, EF-S mount)
- Canon Zoom Lens EF-S 17-55mm 1: 2.8 IS USM (Image Sabilizer, Ulstrasonic, EFS), Canon EF-S mount, since May 2006
Sony (DT, A and E mounts)
- Sony DT 2.8/16-50 SSM, Sony A mount (Minolta A), since August 2011
- Sony E 2.8/16-55G (Sony SEL1655G), Sony E bayonet mount, from August 2019
Fujifilm(X)
- Fujinon Ashperical Lens Nano-GI XF 16-55mm 1: 2.8 R LM WR, Fujifilm X mount, since January 2015
- Fujinon Ashperical Lens Super EBC XF 18-55mm 1:2.8-4 RLM OIS, Fujifilm X mount, September 2012
Samsung (NX)
- Samsung lens 1: 2-2.8 S 16-50 mm ED OIS i-Function, Samsung NX mount, since January 2014
Olympus/Panasonic/Leica/Yongnuo (4/3, Micro 4/3, Kf=2X)
Mirrored 4/3:
- OLYMPUS ZUIKO Digital 11-22 mm 1:2.8-3.5, from February 2004
- OLYMPUS Digital 14-54 mm 1:2.8-3.5, from June 2003
- OLYMPUS Digital 14-54 mm 1:2.8-3.5 II, from November 2008
- OLYMPUS ZUIKO Digital 14-35 mm 1: 2 ED SWDsince January 2005
- Panasonic Lumix LEICA D VARIO-ELMARIT 1: 2.8-3.5 /14-50 ASPH. MEGA OIS, from July 2006
Mirrorless Micro 4/3:
- OLYMPUS M.ZUIKO DIGITAL 12-40 mm 1:2.8 PRO, since October 2013
- Panasonic Lumix Leica DG Vario-Summilux 10-25 mm f / 1.7 ASPH.since May 2019
- LUMIX G VARIO 1: 2.8 /12-35 ASPH. POWER OIS, since June 2012, in March 2017 an improved sub-version is released (outwardly they do not differ in any way)
- Panasonic Lumix Leica DG Vario-ELMARIT 1: 2.8-4.0 /12-60 ASPH., since March 2017
- Yongnuo 12-35 F2.8-4 STM ASPH, since April 2023
This is what the version of Tamron A16P for Pentax cameras looks like:
Sample Photos
Photos from the campaign (the size is reduced to 2048 pixels on the long side, the photos are clickable)
More examples of photos (the size is reduced to 2048 pixels on the long side, the photos are clickable):
RAW source files ('.NEF', Nikon D80) can download from this link (15 photos, 130 Mb).
Another gallery with Tamron 17-50 F2.8 I have here.
Lens price
Prices for the Tamron 17-50mm F / 2.8 XR Di II LD Aspherical (IF) lens in popular online stores can look at this link.
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Tamron Aspherical LD XR DI II SP AF 17-50mm 1: 2.8 [IF] A16, model A16 N II is an unusual lens, it is difficult to choose a copy with normal sharpness. The lens assembly is far from professional. The lens attracts a large aperture over the entire range of focal lengths, nice color reproduction and low price.
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Good afternoon, Arkady! I have a Nikon D7000 with a kit 18-55VR. I borrowed a Tamron AF 28-75mm F2.8 and was extremely disappointed with its autofocus speed. Therefore, I would like to ask whether this Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f / 2.8 also slows down or differs in this aspect from the Tamron AF 28-75mm F2.8. And is it worth taking it if, in addition to the whale, there are fixes 35 1.8 and 50 1.8 in the arsenal (clarity and sharpness of the picture is a priority for me). thanks
So what can you advise - tamron 17-50 2.8 or Sigma 17070 2.8-4.0?
Tamron is attracted by constant aperture, Sigma has larger focal. but reading how the quality of tamron leaps ...
Full frame lens or crop lens?
On crop only. already checked
TAMRON AF17-50 / 2,8 without a stub on the D7000. Some very saturated colors (brute force), a lot of red and its shades ???
Hello. When photographing on this lens, I notice graininess, as on film, ISO 200. When you increase to 100% of the frame on the monitor with the naked eye, graininess is visible throughout the field. Frame example http://s57.radikal.ru/i158/1310/07/03230f67e8a2.jpg
Is this a feature of all Tamrons or did I come across such an instance? It is possible to return it, while under warranty.
I wanted to add that the Nikon D80 camera, with Nikkor 50mm 1.8D and even Nikkor 18-105, the background is more uniform, smoothly blurred.
It seems that at least 1600 were filmed at ISO…. My hike does not suffer from this. Try where you bought to make a comparison (shoot with another lens). In any case, hand over under warranty.
Everything is fine with your photo
… Normal view. )) Only complaints about the build quality surprise me! )) What to demand from a lens for such money ...? )) And then…. I saw tokens and sigma with frayed loops with less than a year mileage, with a very good-quality construction in appearance .... I saw budgetary tamrons completely crumpled into the trash, continuing to work without problems, while their trunk fell out, etc. etc. ...
In this price segment, it all depends on your luck. Yes, there will be a variation from instance to instance. If you want quality, save up money for your own glasses ....)) That is, in this case, it is no longer 14t. rubles, and more than 30.))
Hi, I want to buy Tamron SP AF17-50mm F / 2.8 XR Di II VC LD for Canon EOS 650D. I am going to shoot a video. but I don’t know how sharpness is in this lens .. I want a good quality video shooting.
If you know another lens for the video told me ..
At 2,8, the image will not be super-sharp
I will sell Tamron SP 17-50mm F / 2.8 XR Di II VC LD (З STABILIZATOR) a mill for 5+ ni sub-rappings and scuffs is mute. Vikoristovuvavshis carefully. Set: original box, instructions, hood, light filter kenko pro. the back / focus front is not at least 100% batched for yourself, re-oriented. The asset is very nice, beautiful, its bokeh, Its price is completely 100%
Reason for sale I pass to L serіyu. I will send new mail
Can you marvel at the asset?
Are you still selling?
I really liked the lens. 17-50 + 50mm 1,8 is just a great set. I would like only a sharper image on f2,8, but the picture is quite bearable
I took the BU. Good condition (almost 5 out of 5). No stub. Sharpness problems, as I've seen, stem from the lack of a stabilizer. Some of my photos are very sharp, and some have blur (depends more on the settings and lighting). Light sensitivity at altitude. The only thing that annoys me is that I constantly cling to the zoom ring with my fingers during auto-guidance. I'm not used to shooting with "boar" lenses yet. When using the Automatic WB, it whitens the picture too much (especially on a sunny day) - at least it seemed to me so. In this case, the histogram says that everything is hurt (bell). Although, most likely - the reason is in my complete lameness. Not sickly distortion when shooting architecture at a FD of less than 40 (this is especially true when shooting symmetrical objects like "towers" - they turn into Pisa :))
In general, I liked the lens. For home shooting - the very IT. The standard whale was not lying around (I experimented at home with the same parameters) - the picture on Tamron is sharper and more contrasting, gives less noise (due to the ability to work at low ISO. For this money, there will be no analogues.
Dear photographers. tell me I want to take NIKON D3100, well, I don’t know which is better than KIT 18-105 or Tamron 17-50 F2,8 lens - though it’s not new to him, 3 years old, but I don’t really understand how and what to check where correctly. the fact is that this is my first DSLR and I really want not to be mistaken in my choice. thanks for the answer
if the first SLR, and you do not know how to check the lenses, take it better with a store 18-105. A good wagon, albeit a bit dark, with very convenient focal points.
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Tamron, of course, is lighter and better in focusing, but according to reviews, the quality floats very much from one copy to another (and it is noticeably more expensive, even used), plus if they used "not from time to time" but shot a lot these three years, could tamronchik and put it in the trash, but you probably will not check it either for quality or for back / front focus due to inexperience.
Thank you very much!!!!!!!!!
Hello. Bought this used Japanese lens. The previous owner on the Canon 7D had no problems, but on my 60D found a problem. On focal points 17-35, there is a small back focus, on 40 it hits the target, and on 50 the front focus. All this was filmed on an open aperture and on a balcony in daylight. Is this corrected by the adjustment. Thanks to all.
In no case do I advise anyone to buy this muck. For 2 years of use, the front lens loosened, the gum covered itself. It focuses as it wants and where it wants, but not where it is needed. It became incorrect to transmit information about the focal length to the camera, at 17 it can safely show 40, at 50 it shows 32 stably. Apparently the position sensor inside is dead. at 2.8 and up to 5-6 lathers like bad. In general, the money thrown out
always read your reviews with interest .... but this one killed me!
I own this glass and did not notice anything described by you.
bright! sharp! build quality on top!
psmade in japan
I bought the other day 17-50 2,8 without a stub, turned up a good discount in the store for the last display case, I was going to take sigma 17-50 2,8, but the savings of 6tr outweighed. In the store, I could not really check, purely external condition and performance. At home, we tested on a tripod and the adjustment to d300 +17 turned out to be optimal, but there were still 5-click misses in one target 1-2 could be a little blurrier. The question is - is it normal for this lens or is it better to give it for alignment under warranty?
I got it the other day for Canon 60 d. I got a good copy without a back and front focus. I like the picture, at 2.8 it is good, the wide angle pleases, the wall of my room is completely intermeddle, and at 50mm good portraits are obtained. aperture is good, at exposure 15 and ISO 400, aperture 2.8, good pictures were obtained in a not very bright room. Of the minuses - in low light, it catches focus for a long time, searches, but finds it without mistakes, buzzes strongly until it gets used to it. For this price, a wonderful universal glass! Recommend!
Podskazhite kakoi vibrat dlja povsednevnova ispolzovanija Sigmu 17-70 f2.8 ili tamron 17-50
Tell me, is it worth buying a Tamron SP AF 18-105mm F / 28 by 75-2.8?
B.U., is it true for 1600 UAH?)
Arkady, hello.
“The difference in aperture ratio between the 50mm F / 2.8 Tamron and the 50mm F / 5.6 whale lens is 8 times (3 steps).”
Isn't 4?
5.6х5.6/2.8х2.8=4
Or am I confusing something.
Thank you in advance.
Fixed
Great lens for the money! I use the year, do not compare with the whales! When buying, it is recommended to check for back \ front focus and the presence of play. 5 year warranty!
Hello Arkady, please tell me Tamron 17-50mm F / 2.8 can serve as a portrait or is it better to take a half-hour?
it’s better to take 85 or 135 for a classic portrait.
for growth on crop - 35 mm.
Arkady is there a book released by you Photo of thought
Hello Arkady! Tell me, please, what can be connected with the fact that the lens smears the picture even with a very closed aperture? Photos in 99% frank soap. More or less normal photos are obtained only when using the flash.
for the cob - the rogue of photography and me absolutely buy it, so write the camera, the photographer knows the picture, and the image is rooted by the object, the stream, the settings of the direct hands and the camera.
I, I can’t catch up with the crooked wide-cut wide-cut ob'окktivіv =) Tobot the crooked doors, the lake, which "waggle" from above, the snarled muzzles .. well, wi, wickedly rosy. Distortion distortion, that won’t I want it with a pleasant gaze (with a human eye), and straight arms, and there’s nothing here. Who, yak not for us the photographers of the nobility. Otak, honestly, I know (maybe one in a LITTLE number) of a good copy of the kenon (20-35, 3.6-4.5), which in the world of its wide-range (on ff) is straightforward. Without advertisements, it’s just, alright, normal shirokutnik with straight lines of the door .. And all sashta (without image) bullshit bullshit. From, contrast є, direct light trim, and distortion "on the face" in the direct meaning of the word. Buv bi radium punch Canon zoom lens ef 20-35, 3.5-4.5 on your side, abi people punch the action of the direct color lens = D
Regarding focus speed, I had the following:
On the 1100D, the focus was fine-tuned by “kicks”, but on the 50D it focused in one pass and was noticeably faster.
I bought this lens a year ago on the Nikon D5100. I bought blindly, ordered, delivered, my copy without a stub. I like this lens very much, I used it for reporting shooting, compared to the whale 18-55, like heaven and earth) and chose it using your feedback. I doubted for a long time to buy 28-75 or 17-55 and decided that I was not going to buy a full frame and 17-55 was the most for me! It took half a year and I have a Nikon D600, and now I really regret that I didn’t buy 28-75 (now I want to buy it), if I need to sell 17-55 to someone.
Svetlana for how much? and where do you live?
11 000, Perm Territory. svet_737_lana@mail.ru